Talk:Tendency

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Has anyone tested how many gradients of World Tendency there are? In other words, to go from Pure White to Pure Black takes how many deaths? 6? +/-3 from neutral? --Teiszler 06:32, 27 October 2009 (PDT)

It is 7 gradients from Pure Black (-3), Very Black (-2), Black (-1), Neutral (0), White (+1), Very White (+2), and Pure White (+3). --Boomkick

Overall, it's actually true gradient, by which I mean that at any given point you can be specifically at 57% white, go to 62% white, drop to 14% black, etc. But in terms of where gameplay changes actually occur, it's at 25%, 50%, 75%, and 90% (pure). For Character Tendency, it's just 50% and 90%. And for reference, loss of body form results in -30%, so you can see why it usually takes 7 deaths to get from one extreme to the other (most people probably aren't gonna start from exactly 90.0% white, so that seventh death is what pushes you over the threshold).--Richard 09:59, 27 October 2009 (PDT)

Richard is correct, the tendency system is percentage based. Going from Pure White to Pure Black takes seven deaths in body form. Neutral tendency is considered 0%, and then it can move up to 100% in either direction (-100% for Pure Black, +100% for Pure White).--HeroFromHyrule 12:21, 27 October 2009 (PDT)

I've uploaded an image showing the Archstone changes with WT. If there are no issues with it I will add it to the Tendency section. --Sanjuro333 11:09, 24 November 2009 (PST)

Looks good to me. It should help people to recognize what their WT is.--Teiszler 04:47, 25 November 2009 (PST)

Here's the chart for CT. --Sanjuro333 1:18, 25 November 2009 (PST)

Phalanx affects all WT by 30%?

In the WT chart on world 1, there is a note that says that killing Phalanx will add 30% to all worlds. Is this really true?

Because I've tested this and found that it's not the case. e.g. clear 1-1, then go to world 4. If the chart is correct, then killing Vanguard (+30% = 60%) and then killing Adjudicator (+45% = 105%) should bring world 4 to pure white. However, I go down to 4-2 and see that Makoto still hasn't dropped (and Satsuki is still on the wall). Only when I kill the Old Hero does WT finally change to pure white. --Sanjuro333 16:48, 4 December 2009 (PST)

Well I do know that killing phalanx affects all worlds, as I've seen worlds I haven't even touched yet with a slight white tendency. And thinking back to the example you mentioned, on my current play-through, I did manage to get Makoto in my first run through 4-2. However, this time around I am playing completely offline. Are you playing online? It's easy to underestimate the effect of online tendency. --Manadren 10:20, 6 December 2009 (PST)

I just checked, and it definitely isn't correct. Someone can either make a note next to that image or just replace it with an editable chart.--Richard 10:21, 7 December 2009 (PST)

Manadren, if the worlds are slight white, that means either that you were online (and they shifted), or this is NG+ and the WT carried over from previously. A new character, totally offline, will start at Neutral. The best way to test this is by creating a new character, stay offline all the time, and do the tendency events one at a time to test this. I've done it and realized that Phalanx didn't affect WT in worlds 3 to 5. World 2 is a little strange. I'll start another new character soon to test this out again. --Sanjuro333 15:15, 7 December 2009

Been away some time. Well I've proof that Phalanx and Vanguard don't add anything to WT, at least for NG++. My character got close to the endgame with world 4 in PBWT. I then killed Vanguard to try and whiten it. But archstone remained black. So I finish the game and restart a NG++. After I kill Phalanx and go to 4-1 - I find BP Satsuki there. So this proves that killing Vanguard still left world 4 in PB. And killing Phalanx does not whiten world 4 either. All this was done offline. Guess I'm going to try and change the charts, plus clean up some errors. Replacing with an editable chart is a good idea but I have to read up how to do it. --Sanjuro333 16:30, 26 January 2010

I confirmed Vanguard not changing WT in a normal new game using our debug kits. It's a shame we didn't catch this for the guide earlier.--Richard 10:55, 27 January 2010 (PST)

I've made some editable tables to replace the JPG tendency tables. Please check them out at User_talk:Sanjuro333 and let me have some feedback before I commit them to the main Tendency page. I'm still a little new to wiki markup so feel free to improve on any formatting ugliness --Sanjuro333 12:13, 28 January 2010

They look fine enough to me. I'd say go ahead and put them up on the main page, and if anyone wants to change the formatting they can do it from there.