Talk:Equipment
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I uploaded all description text from the game into pages so that they can be copied and pasted rather than manually typed while reading it off your game. It's mainly if people want to make individual pages for item like many weapons have already It's can all be got to from here: Game Text.--Richard 12:52, 28 October 2009 (PDT)
Recent edits to this page were removed because they were blatantly taken from an existing Demon's Souls wiki that was created for previous releases. While the copyright nature of public wikis is kind of a foggy subject, and even if there are no legal implications in copying and pasting from such other sites, we simply look down upon this. We don't want this wiki to be turned into a rip-off of the fan-run wiki. Using it as a resource for facts when contributing to this wiki is acceptable. However, directly copying and pasting from it is not, nor is taking information unique to it (e.g. dividing weapons up between "European Swords," "Asian Swords," etc.). Also, when you simply copy and paste, you run the risk of including incorrect information, particularly info which changed between the Asian and North American releases of the game, such as the "Paring Dagger" becoming the "Parrying Dagger."--Richard 17:16, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Ive been creating weapon specific pages to allow room for upgrade information, and moving equipment tables to specific pages to keep this page from getting to large and unwieldy.--Methiea 23:59, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I have come across a problem with the current design of the equipment tables. Weapons also posses Damage Reduction %, as well as Guard Break Reduction. We need to come up with a design/system that will depict all the information about weapons, and if possible sortable.
Name
Attack type
Physical Attack
Magical Attack
Fire Attack
Stat bonuses
Special Effects
Damage Reduction %
Guard Break Reduction
Stats Needed
Durability
Weight
Plus where the location. User:Kore 12:14, 10 October 2009 (CST)
Perhaps we can keep the tables as they are, but on the weapon specific pages, we can add further detail, possibly including specific upgrade stats, and more detailed instructions on how to find them. --Methiea 18:09, 11 October 2009 (UTC) EDIT It looks like Kore has already begun just that --Methiea 18:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, I have created a table that will be useful. You can check it out in the Falchion page. I want to know if there's a way to share a common section across different pages. Like the little legend that explains how to read the table headers.--Kore 02:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- There is indeed a way to do this. You can create a template that can be dropped into other pages. I will take the Legend you have created on the Falchion page and create a template and then use it on the Falchion page as an example. --Teiszler 13:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I have completed the Weapon Legend Template and applied it to the Falchion article. --Teiszler 13:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if we can share a common section, but we can probably create a legend that we can use copy and paste before the upgrade tables --Methiea 06:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Ive got a first draft for the legend put together, see the Falchion to see it. --Methiea 07:04, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
You can easily make any table sortable by adding class="sortable" to the first line of the table markup.
{| class= "sortable"
! header1
! header2
...
Also I have asked the admin to see if we can get a style sheet for tables so that we can make them all look consistent. Typically this is class="prettytable" or class="wikitable". --Teiszler 14:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
In addition, I don't think that it makes sense to have a specific pages for each category. The upgrade path can be contained on the specific page for a particular weapon, but keeping all the equipment on one page is nice. --Teiszler 16:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Personally I like the specific pages for categories, since otherwise the Equipment page gets way too long. If anything there should be a specific "Weapons" article with a quick list of each of the weapons, but not necessarily with all their stats. Same for Armor and Rings. Also, I'm just about to send the code for the prettytables to a our webmaster to implement, as soon as I do a little research and make sure I get it right. Hopefully it should be in today, but if it can't make it in, I'll let you know so that you still don't expect it.--Richard 19:04, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so finding a quick and simple guide of creating the table css is proving more difficult than I originally thought, so if someone familiar with it can provide the code with the table formatting you'd like written into it, I can then give it to our webmaster to implement.--Richard 19:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
You can use the following it. It closely resembles the styles of the tables you have already created.
table.wikitable,
table.prettytable {
margin: 1em 1em 1em 0;
background: #404040;
border: 1px #aaaaaa solid;
border-collapse: collapse;
}
table.wikitable th, table.wikitable td,
table.prettytable th, table.prettytable td {
border: 1px #aaaaaa solid;
padding: 0.2em;
}
table.wikitable th,
table.prettytable th {
background: #dd0000;
text-align: center;
}
table.wikitable caption,
table.prettytable caption {
margin-left: inherit;
margin-right: inherit;
}
--Teiszler 19:49, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
After messing around with css for a while, I have come up with a really nice and simple code:
.prettytable {
border-spacing: 0px;
text-align: left;
border: 2px solid #222222;
}
.prettytable th {
background: #8B0000 repeat-x;
text-transform: capitalize;
text-align: center;
font-variant: small-caps;
vertical-align: middle;
padding: 4px;
}
.prettytable tr:nth-child(odd) {
background-color:#222222;
border-bottom: 2px solid #222222;
border-top: 2px solid #00000;
text-align: left;
vertical-align: top;
}
.prettytable tr:nth-child(even) {
border-bottom: 2px solid #222222;
border-top: 2px solid #00000;
text-align: left;
vertical-align: top;
}
.prettytable td {
padding: 4px;
}
Just tell the webmaster to append the main.css with that code. --Kore 03:01, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- This is better than the one I posted since you have alternating bg colors for the rows. I changed the table header elements to be center instead of left-justified. --Teiszler 13:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Should Every Piece of armor have its own page as well? It doesn't seem needed because they don't need upgrade tables. For now, I'm going to have their pages redirect to their respective Armor Types page. --Methiea 05:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I'll send the code over today, and let you know when it's implemented. As for armor types, that probably isn't necessary, since there isn't really anything to say about armor that can't be done in a single row. Although I can imagine someone wanting to include in-game descriptions for each piece of equipment and more in-depth explanations on how to obtain it for the ones that can't really be clearly explained in a single sentence. Also, if you any of you grabbed the deluxe edition with the strat guide, you might wanna add the stamina regen penalies for each armor. That attribute of armor isn't really made clear in game, so someone with the strat guide could do it more easily than someone trying to judge it in game.--Richard 17:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Alright, that prettytable code should be implemented now, although I've yet to test it out. Also, I just finished uploading what should be the icon for every item and piece of equipment in the game. I named them so that you shouldn't have to check the file in order to know what's named when putting the image into the game. Basically, they're named exactly after the item name in game, except:
- Spaces are left out
- All punctuation is left out
- The first letter of every word is capitalized, including those like "of"
So for example: "Prison of Hope, 2F W. Cell Key" is "PrisonOfHope2FWCellKey.jpg" That said, I was bound to make mistakes somewhere, so you might have to check the File List for ones that aren't appearing. If it turns out it's because it's missing entirely, just let me know. Aside from that, one thing I noticed about the weapons pages is that the effects column got left out at some point (the one that tells what statuses might be inflcited).--Richard 12:25, 14 October 2009 (PDT)
- The CSS is working well thanks. Some of the tables need to be updated with it still however. --Teiszler 12:44, 14 October 2009 (PDT)
I was messing around to see if we can make better use of space for the weapons charts, so that we don't end up with tall and skinny paragraphs for the "found at" column. Came up with this: Weapon Page Test. I think it's still easy enough to read, and the centering wasn't necessary, but I think stacking those particular columns would help a lot. It'd be a string of tedious work changing existing pages though, so it's up to anyone else if they wanna, unless I end up with time to.--Richard 09:55, 3 November 2009 (PST)
