I've begun cheating at Demon's Souls

[GuyIncognito]

Originally Posted by HijiriOni

Turns out my first death taught me how to kill the red eyed knight, gravity is my greatness weakness...turns out it's the red eye knights too.

After reading about it, I tried to pull off that trick couple of times, but he kept breaking the barrels, so I gave up (I was probably standing in the wrong spot).

[Lady_Kitsu]

I'll just leave this here.




I know im feeding the troll but..

Just play in soul form and only use your body when you need help that is what I do. If anything summon up a couple of blues.

[jedbeetle]

Originally Posted by HijiriOni

I hate BP invasions, NG+ is also sickeningly hard when your solo. Maybe once I grind out to SL 200 it won't be so bad but bosses like Adjudicator almost 1 shot me while I'm blocking and they DO one shot me if I'm not.

It's a double edged sword...BP invasions for the ability to invite friends (which with the current server status just erks me) or have everything kill you.

Last time I tried inviting people to my game I had 1 person in my game then I got lovely "Failed to Summon" messages 10x in a row from different people. I spent an hour waiting on summons...I assume BPs we're failing to invade because I never go that long without an invasion.

I still hate BPs because I have no choice on their invasions if I wish to co-op with friends.

At least PS Button+Quit Game=Safe way to avoid BPs.

....
hiss boo go play some other game. or just play offline. you should be ashamed of yourself. i'm embarrassed for you, and i don't even know you. admitting that you rage quit is like wetting your pants in public.

[HijiriOni]

Admitting that I do something the dame designers don't penalize me for?

PS Button+Quit Game. I wouldn't use it if I wanted to be invaded, and yeah I most commonly do play offline or in soul form. I also will never use it if I actually start fighting.

But I'm in NG+ and bosses thus far most of them have had "Look at you and you die" powers. Getting better at it, but I'm still not able to trash NG+ like I could NG.

[jedbeetle]

Originally Posted by HijiriOni

Admitting that I do something the dame designers don't penalize me for?

PS Button+Quit Game. I wouldn't use it if I wanted to be invaded, and yeah I most commonly do play offline or in soul form. I also will never use it if I actually start fighting.

But I'm in NG+ and bosses thus far most of them have had "Look at you and you die" powers. Getting better at it, but I'm still not able to trash NG+ like I could NG.

That's good, i guess, that you'll fight it out.

Even in new game +, though even basic enemies can one-shot me, i find the game itself to be pretty easy. Once I'd seen everything in the game, I was all about being invaded. It's the spice that keeps things interesting.

If I am summoned as a blue phantom and there are no invaders for the whole level, i feel sad. like there was no real reason for me to be there.

What I'm saying, ultimately, is that when people quit on black phantoms, at any point for any reason, it discourages invasions across the board. But I want to encourage them, because I don't get nearly enough of them.

Today, I was trading with someone in 5-1. Black phantom drops in, we fight, we kill him. That made the trading session like 10x better.

A guy invaded me when I was actually running 5-1 in my ng+. He must have taken 20 minutes to find me, and I killed him instantly, but man, at least he tried. And that whole 20 minutes, I was wondering "where the heck is that guy? is he coming? is he okay? where did he pop in anyways?" It made my 5-1 experience so much more thrilling.

If I'm farming, I desperately hope to be invaded because farming is boring.

Invasions are the best part of this game. They mix up the monotony once you pretty much know the drill for each level. They make you think and use your terrain. Every once in awhile, they kill you, and isn't that what demon's souls is ultimately about - getting horribly killed at inconvenient moments?

So I'll keep invading if you do.

[Merlinsbeard]

declare your a Girl
?????
PROFIT

;{P

the thing you complain about is called game design.. you want help ? well that comes with the price of possible black phantom


ps. happy hanukkah

[HijiriOni]

It shouldn't, aid in video games has never come with the price "Other players will randomly join and kill you, and you have no choice"

[GuyIncognito]

Originally Posted by HijiriOni

It shouldn't, aid in video games has never come with the price "Other players will randomly join and kill you, and you have no choice"

What should or shouldn't be is subjective.

[HijiriOni]

Exactly, but how it's subjective is based off the majority. Most people do believe the multiplayer could have been developed a bit more.

But when you compare it to multiplayer from other games from FROM it's actually quite an improvement. Unfortunately comparison to other developers it can be considered a step down from things allready done.

Though there is a slight nod towards a possible sequel thanks to the fact that the US loves the game. Apparently Demon's Souls wasn't as hot in Japan. The developers even said there we're some things that wanted to do in Demon's Souls originally that they couldn't and it was more of an "Experimental" game.

Theres definately some good points to what is done in Demon's Souls, but theres definately room for improvement...if a sequel is made I can't see it being worse.

[GuyIncognito]

Originally Posted by HijiriOni

Exactly, but how it's subjective is based off the majority.

Apparently Demon's Souls wasn't as hot in Japan.

Here's a quote from wikipedia: "The game was received fairly well by Japanese media and gamers. Dengeki scored the game 95/85/85/85, Famitsu gave it a more mixed review with the scores 9/7/7/6. The game sold 39,966 copies in its first week in Japan,[20][21] and also reportedly boosted PS3 sales in the region.[22]" I'm not sure it's hot in the US, and it was still received "fairly well" in Japan. Everybody's whining about the difficulty in the US.

[HijiriOni]

I actually don't see anyone whining about difficulty until NG+...then oh god yeah did it take a difficulty hike.

I don't have figures to compare with against the japanese sells but I do know the initial launch there weren't enough copies in stores to cover the demand. Fred Meyers, one of my local one stop shops, didn't even carry it. They didn't have it in their system, which means they WON'T have it normally. 2 weeks later they had it and all their electronics people we're thinking it was completely weird that they started carrying it. So it's got enough popularity to make stores reconsider "not carrying it"

[Jerry-Boyle]

Originally Posted by GuyIncognito

Here's a quote from wikipedia: "The game was received fairly well by Japanese media and gamers. Dengeki scored the game 95/85/85/85, Famitsu gave it a more mixed review with the scores 9/7/7/6. The game sold 39,966 copies in its first week in Japan,[20][21] and also reportedly boosted PS3 sales in the region.[22]" I'm not sure it's hot in the US, and it was still received "fairly well" in Japan. Everybody's whining about the difficulty in the US.

Wiki is not a reliable source of information so don't quote them. The person could be talking out their ass. That and all they mentio nwas the ratings, not the actual sales figure of the game besides 39,966. In the US Demon's Souls sold more. It had at least 80,000+ preorders, not to mention shortages of the games here.


North America - Week 1 + Week 2+ Week 3 + Week 4 = Total

105,752 + 38,937 + 29,899 + 27,916= 202,504

Japan - Week 1 + Week 2 + Week 3 + Week 4 + Week 5 + Week 6 + Week 7 + Week 8 + Week 9 + Week 10 = Total
38,966 + 18.445 + 13,087 + 8,649 + 4,994 + 4,553 + 3,009 + 2,777 + 2,666 + 1,922 = 99,068 (around 140,000 lifetime)

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.p...689&region=All
http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...d=198760#M5380

[GuyIncognito]

Originally Posted by Jerry-Boyle

Wiki is not a reliable source of information so don't quote them.

Often wikipedia information has references--and it did in this case. I wouldn't quote it, if it was not backed up by a second party.

"Demon's Souls Sells out in Japan
First party PS3 action title almost tops sales charts."
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/954/954120p1.html

[Jerry-Boyle]

Originally Posted by GuyIncognito

Often wikipedia information has references--and it did in this case. I wouldn't quote it, if it was not backed up by a second party.

"Demon's Souls Sells out in Japan
First party PS3 action title almost tops sales charts."
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/954/954120p1.html

It sold 39k copies in the first week, NA sold 105k. The article is old.

[GuyIncognito]

Originally Posted by Jerry-Boyle

It sold 39k copies in the first week, NA sold 105k. The article is old.

I'm not sure what your point is. You were telling me not to quote wikipedia. So I explained to you, that sometimes it's OK to do so.

Also, consider this: there are ~3 million PS3's in Japan and ~5.7 million in the US.

[Jerry-Boyle]

Originally Posted by GuyIncognito

I'm not sure what your point is. You were telling me not to quote wikipedia. So I explained to you, that sometimes it's OK to do so.

Also, consider this: there are ~3 million PS3's in Japan and ~5.7 million in the US.

Well my point was saying that In NA it sold more. So it was hotter then the japan sales in this region. Anyway the point is that its selling well so yay

[GuyIncognito]

Originally Posted by Jerry-Boyle

Well my point was saying that In NA it sold more. So it was hotter then the japan sales in this region. Anyway the point is that its selling well so yay

Considering the fact that there are twice as many PS3's in the US, you'd expect to sell around twice as many copies--and since I played against people in Germany, it's possible that a some of those copies were purchased by Europeans.

[jedbeetle]

Originally Posted by GuyIncognito

Considering the fact that there are twice as many PS3's in the US, you'd expect to sell around twice as many copies--and since I played against people in Germany, it's possible that a some of those copies were purchased by Europeans.

Who cares?
The point of this thread is that cheaters suck.

[Saint_Lucifer]

Heyy Janie I have this but i kill them even when im as my royal and thats a level 20 adn some of these ppl who invade my world are like on there NG++++ with high stats good magic!

I just avoide them! I play offline so i get used to the area then when someone does invade just use the areas youve cleared and you no like to the back of your hand!


If you need help ill happily help!!



My PSN is JOSH-360SUKS-
Josh-Wanderer(lv 89)

Cheers!

[skottey]

Originally Posted by janiefoxkills

Hello all,

I don't know whether to blame myself or the d**k swinging nature of most idiot males who play this game but sometimes you just want to be left alone. But lets not go off on a vicious rant quite so quickly though, please bear with me...

I've fought alot of Black Phantoms, I've even killed a good number of them, and I've died by the hands of many of them as well. When I'm quietly and calmly farming Sharpstone Chunks in 2-1, it's simply too much these days to ask to just be left alone. Some idiot phantom MUST invade my world so he can try his luck; and when he environment dies, and I'm left alone by the edge of a red rock cliff, laughing like a bastard, it is still too much to ask to not have yet another Black Phantom invade and backstab me off said cliff. Weak.

So, as I've said before, I've begun cheating. In soul form, if I'm not up to dealing with one of you idiots I simply environment die and soul sign again back in my own world. I do this especially when I'm carrying a large amount of souls and don't feel like risking a significant chunk of them for anyone.

In body form, and this is where I REALLY become cheap, I simply reset the console. As soon as a BP enters, I disconnect. Yep, I said it. So if you were one of those guys who invaded someone's world and curiously got kicked an instant after you touched down, there is a distinct possibility that I jooed you out of a possible death-kill.

At this point, I am simply too tired of you bastards. I have owned this game for three weeks now and in all that time, I've not spawned as a BP once. That's right, ZERO. I stole the Old Monks hat from someone, THATS WHY I'M WEARING IT!!!

Why? Am I a cowardly loser afraid to risk it all for the glory? Maybe... maybe not. Is it in the female nature to simply avoid the aforementioned c**k swing of PvP combat? Perhaps. Maybe, I just have better things to do... like improve myself.

But then you should ask, why don't I just play offline? Welp, the simple and straigh-forward answer is because I need the help of Blue Phantoms to complete some of these stages. I don't NEED it, but it makes the game a lot more comfortable for me, and why not have some insurance? Plus, I like my body. Can I have it(?), without risking some simple overpowered brute p.o.s. invading mid soul farm and wrecking my life? I guess I can! THANK YOU.

- Janie <3

P.S.

So, until there are real and very serious consequences for invading as a Black Phantom, (as there are for dying at the hands of one) I will continue, and urge the rest of you to continue to cheat at this game. If you die as a Black Phantom I suggest you lose at the very least one soul level. Something needs to give here, in order to set the keel right again. There are simply too many of you jackholes out there with nothing better to do.

THIS is no longer a free ride.

- J

I agree with you Janie. They always invade at the WORST time. It is never at a time I am prepared so I have to agree with you and I do the same thing. I either hit the PS button and quit game or jump out of my seat in a panic and reach behind the PS3 to turn off the main power switch. It seems the higher I get in level, the more this happens to me. I am a level 149 right now and I cannot go into a level such as 2-1 without being instantly invaded before reaching the tunnel as a human form.

I agree, I don't play offline because I enjoy getting help from blue phantoms and helping them. But what I have started doing is suiciding in the Nexus and going back to soul form before venturing on. I only pretty much use revived human form when I am going in for a boss fight. Once I am back to the Nexus, I either farm on 1-3 (three red knights) for a while, where I hardly ever get invaded, or just do the suicide and move forward.

The ring that hides one from black phantoms does not work well in most cases.

So Janie is right. Sometimes a player just wants to be left alone and here comes a red phantom.

But I would suggest suiciding over quitting.

[skottey]

Originally Posted by joest01

I'm curious, what are the serious consequences you face when you are invaded?

I get the souls from your blues, but only the body from you.

Or is that what you mean? You lose your body? Is that the serious consequence?

Not saying it's not, it just never struck me as all that serious...

Am I wrong that if you are invaded by a red and killed, you lose a soul level? If I grind for 20 minutes to get from 148 to 149 and I am attacked by a red and knocked back to 148, there goes 20 minutes (or more) of level grinding. I would say that is pretty serious.

Now, if I am wrong about losing a soul level, I am not wrong about the reds who jump in and pin me down, only to use soul suck on my screen, losing a soul level!

This is not cool at all.

I personally don't care about losing 50,000 or less souls or losing human form. If that is all that would happen, but I do care very much so about losing a soul level. They take way too long to grind when you get up there in the levels.

I suggested she suicide in the Nexus. I do that more often than not now instead of quitting. You only really should be in human form if you are going in for a boss fight anyway.

[skottey]

Originally Posted by Dominions

You can't be invaded in areas you've already cleared.

There must be a glitch in my game, because I have beat my 2-1 and 2-2 on ng+ and I have been invaded while going back to farm for stones. This has happened more than once to the point where either your statement is wrong or my game is seriously glitched. Everything else works fine though.

I suggested suiciding in the Nexus. You really only need human form for bosses so you can seek help. No need to do everything in human form. Although, it is nice in human form to not have to waste a ring slot on cling and to have the higher health bar. But if you are grinding away for souls, you don't need cling anyway if you know what you are doing.

[skottey]

Originally Posted by jsbradley7

Are you invading after you have deposited your souls in the Nexus? I ask this as I have formed a theory that only BPs that risk their souls can collect the invaded's souls. There have been times I've been invaded, lost and the BP has taken my souls while other times my blood stain is there for me to reclaim my souls.

How do you deposit your souls in the Nexus?

I wish there was a place to bank them but I am in NG+ and have never seen such a bank. Perhaps you meant, "spend your souls on leveling up or goods, repairs, miracles, or magic in the Nexus," but deposit is not the right way of putting it. The only thing you can deposit are goods with Stockpile Tom. Not souls.

[jedbeetle]

Originally Posted by skottey

Am I wrong that if you are invaded by a red and killed, you lose a soul level? If I grind for 20 minutes to get from 148 to 149 and I am attacked by a red and knocked back to 148, there goes 20 minutes (or more) of level grinding. I would say that is pretty serious.

Now, if I am wrong about losing a soul level, I am not wrong about the reds who jump in and pin me down, only to use soul suck on my screen, losing a soul level!

This is not cool at all.

I personally don't care about losing 50,000 or less souls or losing human form. If that is all that would happen, but I do care very much so about losing a soul level. They take way too long to grind when you get up there in the levels.

I suggested she suicide in the Nexus. I do that more often than not now instead of quitting. You only really should be in human form if you are going in for a boss fight anyway.

Being killed by an invader is just like being killed by a monster. You DO NOT lose a soul level. You just drop a bloodstain with all your current souls in it. Only the invader is at risk from losing a soul level, unless the invader happens to have soulsucker, which I've never seen used. I HAVE seen npc enemies use powers like this on me.
Whatever. Soul levels come really quick if you just progress through your games.

Losing a fight in a duel - started using a red eye stone - will lose a player a soul level. Invaders use the black eye stone.

You CAN be invaded on levels that you have already completed...


People quitting on you when you invade sucks and ruins the game. If you are doing this every time a black phantom invades, you should instead be playing all the time in soul form, be playing offline, or just playing a different game entirely.

[skottey]

Originally Posted by jedbeetle

Hiss, boo, go play Dragon Age Origins.

What's wrong with Dragon Age Origins. When I grow tired of DS, that is one of the games on my list to purchase and play next. I'd rather not waste the money if the game isn't worth it. Is there something we should know about the game? Or are you just implying that it is Elder Scrolls like in that you can save it and reload saves, where as with DS it is known for being so "difficut?"

Seriously, is there something wrong with Dragon Age? It looks good as far as I can tell. Not everything can or will be like Demon's Soul's.

[skottey]

Originally Posted by Gamefanatic

Not to mention the PS3 doesn't like being shut off improperly. You could lose your audio and video settings, your favorite background or theme, and that's just to name a few. Pretty much the only way you should ever turn off your PS3 is either by holding down the PS button on the controller or nav'ing to the power down section in the menu..

So everybody out there is like me and has their entire entertainment center hooked up to multiple UPS power backups? I don't think so. I personally live in Florida where the power goes off and on all the time in the summer and brownouts are very common. Even if I am not switching my PS3 off improperly, I could easily have a power outage shut her off in the middle of a game if I didn't have a UPS. I don't recall ever hearing a warning about this from Sony or even a recommendation to use a UPS. While it "could" corrupt a save file if it is writing to the hard drive, it isn't going to corrupt it outside of during a write function. The game autosaves after kills and significant events, not while just standing there. If a person jumps up and just switches the power off or quits the game via the PS menu before the black phantom or something else kills them, there is no reason it would be writing to the hard drive and no chance of corruption. Sure, if you are not quick enough and you are killed, and shut it off during the save, you stand a good chance of file/hard drive corruption. But there is no risk if you switch it off as fast as you see the "you've been invaded...." screen.

The whole notion that you'll have a corrupt file is just fear mongering used to try to prevent people from taking the chance. Of course a BP doesn't want to have the other idiot quit, so they'll say what they have to in order to scare a person out of doing it.

[skottey]

Originally Posted by jedbeetle

Being killed by an invader is just like being killed by a monster. You DO NOT lose a soul level. You just drop a bloodstain with all your current souls in it. Only the invader is at risk from losing a soul level, unless the invader happens to have soulsucker, which I've never seen used. I HAVE seen npc enemies use powers like this on me.
Whatever. Soul levels come really quick if you just progress through your games.

Losing a fight in a duel - started using a red eye stone - will lose a player a soul level. Invaders use the black eye stone.

You CAN be invaded on levels that you have already completed...


People quitting on you when you invade sucks and ruins the game. If you are doing this every time a black phantom invades, you should instead be playing all the time in soul form, be playing offline, or just playing a different game entirely.

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought the loser, whether the invader or the invaded, lost a soul level. Additionally to that, I am in ng+ and have never been soul sucked by the game monsters, but I have been soul sucked by BPs. It splashes up on the screen "You've been soul sucked" or something like that, similar to "You've been poisoned," in red letters. After spending hours grinding levels and then getting soul sucked by BPs, I began powering off or quitting as soon as I was invaded. But I thought I was losing a soul every time I lost and was getting sick of the invaders running up and soul sucking me. Now I suicide in the Nexus to get back into soul form instead. I don't play with friends right now so the only time I use revived form is before a boss fight with some bosses, especially if I want help from blue phantoms.

Somebody on here was saying you wouldn't get invaded on levels you have completed. I didn't think that was true. Thanks for clearing that up as well.

I realize now there isn't as much at stake with the Black phantoms. Other than the guys that are building BP builds just for the purpose of being BPs and ruining other people's games with soul suck, which is definitely happening. I have been soul sucked too many times by black phantoms.

I am starting to think that there are people with the asian versions who have now imported the Atlus version and have a leg up on us as far as skill. They have to start new characters but they know what they are doing and if you know what you are doing it wouldn't take long to build up a black phantom character used to ruin other people's games. I'm sure there are people out there that get off on that.

Maybe Soul Suck should be turned off for black phantoms. That seems fair.

[jsbradley7]

Originally Posted by skottey

How do you deposit your souls in the Nexus?

I wish there was a place to bank them but I am in NG+ and have never seen such a bank. Perhaps you meant, "spend your souls on leveling up or goods, repairs, miracles, or magic in the Nexus," but deposit is not the right way of putting it. The only thing you can deposit are goods with Stockpile Tom. Not souls.

I just mean suiciding in the Nexus before invading another players game and win or lose they'll be there when you return. I've yet to invade but the SG mentions this as an invasion strrategy.

[skottey]

Originally Posted by jsbradley7

I just mean suiciding in the Nexus before invading another players game and win or lose they'll be there when you return. I've yet to invade but the SG mentions this as an invasion strrategy.

Yeah, that actually is a good strategy. Sometimes I wish I would have been able to get my hands on the deluxe edition with that strategy guide. It was hard enough finding a copy of the game period. Too bad they don't sell the SG stand alone. Kind of dumb they don't. Every other game has one. Even games that certainly don't need a strategy guide have them. Oh well. I spend enough time on websites learning about this fantastic game.

[TurboDslBeetle]

I posted this same response on another thread, and while some of the people here have more modest responses I do not.

This is a BS tactic used by the crybabies of the world. You're a coward in life and you bring it into this game. So you die, boo hoo, it's not like you'll lose a hand - unless you punch the TV. This game is HARD, it was meant to be - that's why most of us LOVE it. If you can't handle it - go back to playing Final Fantasy X-2 and leave Demon's Souls to us.

BTW, I have invaded as black 50+ times and have lost all but 2. I have dropped blue stone as much or more and helped people, it makes the game more interesting. I have been playing RPG's since Adventure (name that system) and Demon's Souls is as good as it gets. Take a breath and enjoy the game.....