PSN release for Atlus's previous PSP games ?

[Willzyx]

Originally Posted by Zoltor

[if you miss it, you better hope you're around when the second shipment arrives or have fun spending 70+ to get a desireable ATLUS game on ebay.

I fail to see how this is a good thing. Digital distribution = more people can play the game, right? So... I just don't get where you're coming from here.

[Zoltor]

Originally Posted by Willzyx

I fail to see how this is a good thing. Digital distribution = more people can play the game, right? So... I just don't get where you're coming from here.

You have to look at it more then "just" as a gamer. Many people as well as myself love the collecter aspect of ATLUS games as well(even though most of us have no intentions of ever selling them).

In short what's better then getting an actual great game(opposed to the general new school, overhyped, nothing but graphics pure, and all around crappy games most companies are producing)? Getting a great game that not only is very desireable, but is super rare, yet you were one of the faithful/lucky few that was able to pick one up(Yea It's a double edged sword, because missing out on a ATLUS title feels exactly the opposite, but neverless It's a aspect of ATLUS we love/hate which gives the company a unique flavour). Overall ATLUS's limited production runs adds an extra dimention to the gaming industry.

PS. When I wrote my initial post, I was just listing the reasons I was against the concept of the topic, I wasn't trying to derail the topic, so lets try to get back to the topic, needless to say I'm against rereleasing ATLUS games for the PSN for a bunch of reasons.

[Willzyx]

Originally Posted by Zoltor

You have to look at it more then "just" as a gamer.

I think that's terribly selfish. Forcing people to play by your rules, you might say. Why should others suffer for your own sentimentality's sake?

And hell, think if it from Atlus's side. I bet you resellers like Gamestop make a ton of money by gaming the rarity of out-of-print games. Guess how much money Atlus makes from re-sales.

[Zoltor]

Originally Posted by Willzyx

I think that's terribly selfish. Forcing people to play by your rules, you might say. Why should others suffer for your own sentimentality's sake?

And hell, think if it from Atlus's side. I bet you resellers like Gamestop make a ton of money by gaming the rarity of out-of-print games. Guess how much money Atlus makes from re-sales.

Don't you dare mix me up with those scum, I have never resold any ATLUS games, and It's pretty clear you didn't even read my post, otherwise you would've realized that. Just because somebody likes the collector aspec of ATLUS games, doesn't mean they resell them.

[Willzyx]

Originally Posted by Zoltor

Don't you dare mix me up with those scum, I have never resold any ATLUS games, and It's pretty clear you didn't even read my post, otherwise you would've realized that. Just because somebody likes the collector aspec of ATLUS games, doesn't mean they resell them.

I think you're mistaking what I meant in my last post. I never said you resold games. What I did say is that GameStop profits off the attitude you encourage, and Atlus doesn't. I can tell you that Atlus doesn't print few copies of their games to intentionally create shortages. They simply don't have the resources of EA or Activision to flood store shelves with their games. Digital distribution allows them to get all the sales they can without having to worry about a risky numbers game of printing too many/too few copies.

And again, what of those who have a PSPGo? Should they be punished for owning a digital-only console by not being able to play Atlus games?

[Ephidel]

Originally Posted by Zoltor

Don't you dare mix me up with those scum, I have never resold any ATLUS games, and It's pretty clear you didn't even read my post, otherwise you would've realized that. Just because somebody likes the collector aspec of ATLUS games, doesn't mean they resell them.

I think, from your reaction, you read far more into that phrasing than was actually there. I don't think the implication was that he thought you were a reseller like gamestop making money off of resales. Just that he would bet that retailers like gamestop are making money off of resales.

The point being that as Atlus get money from games sold on the PSN whereas they don't get money from games that are no longer in stores unless they're resold (or that stores just don't stock) then thats a good thing.
The more money they make, the more stuff they can release in future.
Even though I hate the idea of stuff thats only available digitally with a burning passion, I see no problems with games being made available online. Its just my personal preference that those games be available phyiscally as well... so that the PSN games are sort of supplementary. Sort of the way it is now.
They're good games - The more people who get to play them, the better. The more money Atlus are able to make, the better.

But then, for all I might collect, I also play. None of my games are 'mint' and sellable for tons of money, and even if they were I'd keep them. I'm a hoarder (which is probably why I prefer phyiscal products).

Edit: Bah, beaten anyway

[Zoltor]

Originally Posted by Ephidel

I think, from your reaction, you read far more into that phrasing than was actually there. I don't think the implication was that he thought you were a reseller like gamestop making money off of resales. Just that he would bet that retailers like gamestop are making money off of resales.

The point being that as Atlus get money from games sold on the PSN whereas they don't get money from games that are no longer in stores unless they're resold (or that stores just don't stock) then thats a good thing.
The more money they make, the more stuff they can release in future.
Even though I hate the idea of stuff thats only available digitally with a burning passion, I see no problems with games being made available online. Its just my personal preference that those games be available phyiscally as well... so that the PSN games are sort of supplementary. Sort of the way it is now.
They're good games - The more people who get to play them, the better. The more money Atlus are able to make, the better.

But then, for all I might collect, I also play. None of my games are 'mint' and sellable for tons of money, and even if they were I'd keep them. I'm a hoarder (which is probably why I prefer phyiscal products).

Edit: Bah, beaten anyway

Possibly, but that's kind've his fault for starting the post, dirrecting it to me souly(as if I'm the only one who likes the collector aspec), then he used the turm "you resellers like X" which at very least implies he thinks I'm a reseller, ortherwise the word "you" would've never been used.

I'm not really debating your points, but personally I rather have ATLUS make their money by localizing more games, then releasing older games.


PS. Hell, I'm a hoarder as well, and yea I play all my ATLUS games as well (It's another double edged sword), but neverless I'm extra careful(if they get damaged or whatnot, it would suck to replace them. Beside there aren't many great games being made in this day, and age, so any great game that comes out must be treated like gold).

[Enzeru]

I used to sell games, but I don't much anymore. Not after I sold Ys and longed for it so much I bought it again at full price so I could get the CD again.

I noticed CoH is on the PSN now. ^^ Pretty awesome that you added it after all. I hope it sells well. I still need to buy CGS, and I'm gonna be getting it ASAP. I <3 downloading games. Like...Kenka Bancho, for instance.

[Kakizaki]

Traditionally ATLUS makes about 10k copies of a game(they made more of some games, but not by much, and for the most part 10kish is the case). I don't know about you, but with the exception of the PS3(which amazingly you can still find brand new ATLUS games in stores a whopping month after release)ATLUS games tend to sell out on day one(there are usually two shipments though), and if you miss it, you better hope you're around when the second shipment arrives or have fun spending 70+ to get a desireable ATLUS game on ebay.

Not sure where you get most of your info, but a lot of it is pretty flawed. I still come across copies of SRT OG for the GBA on occasion. With the exception of a title here or there, it isn't that difficult to find new copies of old Atlus titles in stores. You are grossly over exaggerating. I find your argument regarding PS3 titles particularly amusing, as I frequently come across brand new copies of Zoids and Operation Darkness in stores.

Possibly, but that's kind've his fault for starting the post, dirrecting it to me souly(as if I'm the only one who likes the collector aspec), then he used the turm "you resellers like X" which at very least implies he thinks I'm a reseller, ortherwise the word "you" would've never been used.

I wouldn't usually mention this, but you have been using these words a lot. It is solely and aspect.

Well a game up on PSN(or any of the other networks)is not a real game, there is no production line(thus there are no addional cost such as boxes, factery,wharehouse, shipping costs, paper/ink for the manual exc) It's basically an official rom, that could be downloaded a million times(not that, that many people have a PS3, but still), and the game would be obtainable, there technically is no limit(atleast not by default, but it wouldn't make sense to limit the DLs anyway).

Your argument here makes next to no sense. As long as Atlus is still releasing physical copies in conjunction with the PSN releases, what is the problem? Why wouldn't you want them to make more money?

I'm not really debating your points, but personally I rather have ATLUS make their money by localizing more games, then releasing older games.

You realize it probably takes more resourses and a larger investment to license, localize, and distribute a new title than it does to digitally distribute a older already localized title right?

I'm down for new titles as well, but if it takes little time and effort for Atlus to rerelease older titles that others may have missed out the first time around, I don't see the harm in it.

Don't you dare mix me up with those scum, I have never resold any ATLUS games, and It's pretty clear you didn't even read my post, otherwise you would've realized that. Just because somebody likes the collector aspec of ATLUS games, doesn't mean they resell them.

Seriously dude, you need to calm down. We are talking about video games here. This isn't life or death.

Perhaps insane wasn't the best word to use, extremely redundant would be more accurate.

Redundant isn't a good term in regards to your argument either. There have been worthy exclusives on both the PSP and DS.

[Kid Marin]

I bought Yggdra Union (nice price!). There is no software manual. Is it the same for the rest of Atlus's PSN line-up ?

[Inzaghi]

Originally Posted by Kid Marin

I bought Yggdra Union (nice price!). There is no software manual. Is it the same for the rest of Atlus's PSN line-up ?

Yes, with a couple exceptions like Persona that were already done, future downloadable PSP releases will have links to PDF manuals rather than PSP-formatted ones. I don't have any personal experience buying the older games online, so I'm not sure where that link is found or what it is, sorry. /: