Dragon's Crown - Atlus taking over

[DamageCity]

This thread gets 5 STARS!

[ReaperX30]

Originally Posted by DamageCity

This thread gets 5 STARS!

Agreed. Call me ignorant but I never would've though of the rating thingy. Sorry for starting the mess but still it's funny to see what started as a small concern develop into crazyness.

[Betakodo]

Originally Posted by Onion of Mystery

Yeah, down with the independent ratings board that was created to prevent a Comics Code-like governmental board from determining what's fit for public consumption!

THINK, you mooks. Websites, unless they are specifically behind an age gate, are viewable by everyone. That means that all the content on a non-gated site must meet an E rating lest we get hit with fines and censures.

Honestly, we go over this pile every single time there's some discrepancy between the original artwork and advertising art used in the US. You'd think I'd be used to it by now.

If you ask me, the ESRB still determines what's fit for public consumption. No "Voluntary" rating means it can't be sold in stores and no console license. Probably a lesser evil than the government, but still an evil.
And how were we supposed to think about or even know the game sites had to be rated E or get hit with fines.

First time I've seen this pile. Really, the only time I recall it happening was with L'arc rise fantasia. And them underboobs ended up getting censored so I don't see a reason not to raise a stink.
Only thing we got was a cryptic "There are reasons why the website is the way it is that have nothing to do with the content of the game." While the response is appreciated, still didn't clear much up.
Also are red named admins players or people who actually work for Atlus? Cause...

[Manly Biceps]

Originally Posted by ReaperX30

Agreed. Call me ignorant but I never would've though of the rating thingy. Sorry for starting the mess but still it's funny to see what started as a small concern develop into crazyness.

Really, it wasn't your comment that started this. It was the guy claiming that we "censored" Catherine's boxart, and therefore, it was likely that we would be "censoring" this game as well...a game which isn't even complete yet.

Originally Posted by Betakodo

And how were we supposed to think about or even know the game sites had to be rated E or get hit with fines.

This one's kind of common sense. You go to any site for a game that's rated Mature, and you're hit with an age gate. Videos on Gametrailers, IGN, wherever, if the content's mature, it's behind an age gate. You haven't noticed this, somehow? Or you thought publishers were just uniformly doing this on their own?

There are going to be times where we expect you connect the dots and not immediately jump to the conspiracy theory conclusion, specifically because we don't know what's kosher to comment on and what isn't. So we sit back and hope that you'll connect the dots and figure it out, and in this case, Monkmaster79 totally did.

Only thing we got was a cryptic "There are reasons why the website is the way it is that have nothing to do with the content of the game." While the response is appreciated, still didn't clear much up.

Honestly, how did that NOT clear everything up for you? Looking at that sentence from a outside perspective, it delineates a clear difference between web content and game and tells you that the changes made to the website are not changes that will be made to the game. Something like that is as close to flaunting the "no-talky zone" as we can get, and the feedback we get from that is, "Psh. I dunno what that means. Could be anything."

We can't come out and directly tell you most everything. That means you're going to have to get better at reading between the lines sometimes.

Also are red named admins players or people who actually work for Atlus? Cause...

Pretty much everyone with a red name works at Atlus.

[Onion of Mystery]

Originally Posted by Betakodo

If you ask me, the ESRB still determines what's fit for public consumption. No "Voluntary" rating means it can't be sold in stores and no console license. Probably a lesser evil than the government, but still an evil.
And how were we supposed to think about or even know the game sites had to be rated E or get hit with fines.

There's no law that a game must be rated by the ESRB in order to be made available for sale. A great many stores and chains have enacted corporate policies that prevent them from carrying games that are not rated under a certain level, and those are corporate decisions. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft have all decided that games must be rated by the ESRB before they will be allowed to be published for their respective consoles. Again, that is a corporate decision and not one determined by any law. The same holds for other ratings boards (CERO, PEGI, USK, GRB, etc.) in other regions/countries. That said, unrated games do exist on the PC, and they are available from whichever retailers are willing to carry them.

Advertising materials are likewise subject to ratings, which is why a game's advertisements are either restricted to appropriate audiences (behind age gates), or toned down in content. The next time you see a game commercial on TV, count how many times someone fires a gun--and count how many times somebody is shown being shot. Explosions, near-misses, and sparks from flying bullets abound, but nobody actually gets hit.

First time I've seen this pile. Really, the only time I recall it happening was with L'arc rise fantasia. And them underboobs ended up getting censored so I don't see a reason not to raise a stink.

This thread has been an experience.

On the one side, we have the standard "Atlus, if you do anything to change the original, you are capitulating to the prudish whims of the Westerners. For shame!" On the other, there's a surprising appearance of "Atlus, if you don't change anything, you're disgusting enablers of the Japanese ero-industry! For shame!" (Okay, that was just Shinobi100, but it still made me laugh.) I'm personally more embarrassed by the attention the center-screen catgirl pubis in the GL4 intro movie is getting, but we've all got our own levels of

There are always complaints whenever there's the slightest hint that content will be edited during our localizations. From the cover art of Luminous Arc 2 and Devil Survivor (and, to a lesser extent, Catherine), to the purposeful ambiguity of certain characters' sexualities in P4, people who feel slighted about the most minuscule alterations outside the game will raise a stink to high heaven only to find out that we've changed nothing in the game itself. The sheer extent of this particular instance (Two character portraits are missing! They must have been expunged from the game!) is what has me climbing the walls in frustration.

Only thing we got was a cryptic "There are reasons why the website is the way it is that have nothing to do with the content of the game." While the response is appreciated, still didn't clear much up.
Also are red named admins players or people who actually work for Atlus? Cause...

You'll notice that I'm not actually providing you with any information about Dragon's Crown myself, just relaying background information and letting the readers make inferences.
And, yes, the people in the red names do work at Atlus. We're the people actually working on the games (aside from A.R.A.M., who watches our every move in order to report on our activities, but doesn't touch the games themselves).

[TheWHOLEtruth]

Originally Posted by Olethros

If this is the kind of thing that would legitimately cause you to lose sleep then you definitely need to get a bit older, move out of mommy's basement, and start interacting with things that are actually worth concern and worry. Seriously, it's a game. Isn't there something of more substance out there that you can fulfill your activism itch on?

wow, nice attack on the dude, calling him a basement dweller, nice!

I trust Atlus knows what they're doing, and plus, the game won't be out for another year (if not a little longer), so why freak out and make assumptions now? You guys are silly.

[Betakodo]

I see, I never really paid much attention to those age gates after the 5th time I saw them. I usually put that I'm 100 years old or something with an angry flick of the wrist. I think for all the games I had to do that for were for violence anyways.
The sorcress' and the amazon's art just stuck out because I remember visiting the site when UTV was publishing and being greeted with GLORIOUS works of art. I mean I thought the game looked good, but then I was presented with two more major features of the game. That was of course when I first heard about the game, but once you see the Mona Lisa, you don't forget her!
Actually, I can't even remember if the site had an age gate before the switch to Atlus. Like I said, I just fill em out as fast as possible.

[ShadowRaskolnik]

I'm surprised how fast this thread unraveled from a simple thank you thread to...well, whatever it is now.

Anyway on to another topic, will the Vita version have a nice full-colored manual like the rest of Atlus' titles or are you guys going to follow what Sony is doing and just include a sheet of paper with the controls?

[monkmaster79]

Originally Posted by Manly Biceps

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA!

Get that common sense observation out of here! This is a thread of baseless overreaction!

I know! What WAS I thinking!? I feel like the odd man out now.

[ReaperX30]

Originally Posted by ShadowRaskolnik

Anyway on to another topic, will the Vita version have a nice full-colored manual like the rest of Atlus' titles or are you guys going to follow what Sony is doing and just include a sheet of paper with the controls?

Yeah what's with getting rid of the manuals with games? I've read that the Vita games doesn't come with manuals and there's EA that stopped giving manuals with their games putting it online instead. I'm all for saving paper but when I get a game I always like to flip through the manual first and sometimes it's really usefull or has some great art inside. Are we getting so lazy that people doesn't want to read anymore or what?

Getting back to the game, I can't wait to get more info. Can we level up? Is there some skill trees or skills per level? Can we use the same levelled character over and over again (kind of New Game+)? What about the loot?

[Onion of Mystery]

We don't know anything more about the game than has been announced. Really. They don't tell us anything.

[ReaperX30]

A-HA! I knew it! it's a conspiracy I tell you!........Fine be that way....we'll get our info.....WE'LL GET OUR INFO! (Picture me on a mountain top with clouds and lightning and my fist in the air).

[animeziggy]

I'm so going buy Dragon Crown when comes out in 2013

[Manly Biceps]

Originally Posted by ShadowRaskolnik

Anyway on to another topic, will the Vita version have a nice full-colored manual like the rest of Atlus' titles or are you guys going to follow what Sony is doing and just include a sheet of paper with the controls?

I dunno. We haven't done a Vita game yet.

[SinAndPunishment]

Man, I hope things with Vanillaware don't go sour with this. The happenings with Grand Knights History and XSeed is cause for worry...

[ShadowRaskolnik]

Originally Posted by SinAndPunishment

Man, I hope things with Vanillaware don't go sour with this. The happenings with Grand Knights History and XSeed is cause for worry...

Well this time Atlus has included their own producer(s) to helm the project so I think chances are better that we'll see this game.

[monkmaster79]

Originally Posted by SinAndPunishment

Man, I hope things with Vanillaware don't go sour with this. The happenings with Grand Knights History and XSeed is cause for worry...

The reason things went sour for GKH was because Vanillaware was working on this.
They couldn't spare any manpower to work on inserting the English text for GKH.

[DrROBschiz]

ATLUS should totally pick up GKH!!!

I mean Cmon they are already sending help for Dragons Crown. Grab up Both games!

Also bring some HD rereleases of Muramasa and Odin Sphere while you are at it!! I will buy it all!!!!

[TopographicOcean]

This thread is terrifying. Terrifying.

I don't know what's worse: The jumping to conclusions with baseless conjecture or self-righteousness of... some people.

Anyway, I'm glad that the game it getting some kind of release. I like me a side-scrolling beat em' up. Shame about the wait, but if you have to wait, you have to wait. Can't do much about it.

[Evilkinggumby]

Originally Posted by TopographicOcean

I like me a side-scrolling beat em' up. Shame about the wait, but if you have to wait, you have to wait. Can't do much about it.

Ha I must need more coffee.. when I saw you mentioning Side scrolling Beat em up the first think that came to mind was a converted version of P4 Arena where you play as any of the hero's 'Double Dragon' style, walking the streets of inaba and beyond to beat up hundreds of shadows and demons.. hehehe... and i really LIKED the idea too.. hehehe

Good to see you around again Topo, been a while eh? or am I still being dense...

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

Originally Posted by DrROBschiz

ATLUS should totally pick up GKH!!!

I mean Cmon they are already sending help for Dragons Crown. Grab up Both games!

Also bring some HD rereleases of Muramasa and Odin Sphere while you are at it!! I will buy it all!!!!

Would you like fries with that?

LOL Don't get me wrong it would be awesome but give Vanillaware/Atlus a break. One step at a time my friend hehehe

[TopographicOcean]

Yeah, it's been a while.

Kinda floated away, but I kinda floated right back.

Also, I like that idea of yours myself!

[DrROBschiz]

Originally Posted by Ce Ilhuicamina

Would you like fries with that?

LOL Don't get me wrong it would be awesome but give Vanillaware/Atlus a break. One step at a time my friend hehehe

Why take it halfway?

Lets go full on Atlus/Vanillaware Partnership and get these great game the attention they truly deserve.

I know tons of people who would love to play these games on their new vitas. The colors POP on that screen and it would be AMAZING for a Vanillaware game!

[arlrex]

Nice to know that this game is still on the way. Dragon's Crown, Gravity Daze (Rush), and Phantasy Star Online 2 are the reasons I got a Vita. Thanks to everyone who works at ATLUS

[FOREVER1]

Again, the funniest thing about the whole ESRB wanting no underboob or cleavage is that I've seen movie covers, anime covers, and unrestricted age websites with much more "partial nudity" being shown. It also makes me wonder if the people at ESRB have ever walked outside and seen today's fashion. Just sayin.

[Crow T. Robot]

Originally Posted by Manly Biceps

I dunno. We haven't done a Vita game yet.

You guys should do it even if other Vita games don't.
Be rebelious!
Revolutiooonnnn!!!
>:L

[DrROBschiz]

Keep those Vita games coming please! We need em!



Also l would love to see you guys continue to work closely with vanillaware since you seem to be one of the few production companies that is able to get their games out on shelves.


Keep those Vanillaware games coming!

[Shinobi100]

There are a couple solutions for anyone trying to publish extremely controversial material, and I do consider a sorceress with mutated, disproportionately large boobs that flop around and are covered with a lacie undergarment as highly controversial. You could:

A.) Have an option to turn on such material in the game. For instance, how you can turn off blood in the console versions of Metal Gear Solid. That might be too much work so here's another choice

B.) Offer the questionable material as DLC a couple weeks after release, either the paid or free variety.

Option B allows you to not have to worry about having your game ignored by hundred, maybe thousands, maybe tens of thousands of gamers and moms who would love to buy the game but have to ignore it due to this little thing called a conscience

[DrROBschiz]

I hope we here more about this at Gamescom/TGS


And i STILL WANT GRAND KNIGHTS HISTORY

[ArcHonst]

wish this game good luck