New place to duel?

[YUR_GRANDMA]

We need a new place to duel. All I do when I go on DS these days is pvp, and in all the chats the only place people duel in is the 4-1 start point. 4-1 is a good spot and all, its a wide open area, not tons of objects etc but having only had proper duels there it gets boring.

It seems incredibly rare for people to duel some other spot unless its a tourny or something. So yh people need to decide a few new ones. I know theres a matter of convenience and some people might not have other places open, but i'd glady go into NG and leave a few places open if it meant I could host and have duels there.

I'm finding it pretty boring pvp'ing in 4-1 all the time. Theres loads of interesting areas that would make you have to use different tactics. 2-1 Is a nice space with places you could try run to for cover. 5-1 would make pvp more risky but fun encouraging people to get wins by pushing each other off the edge etc...

A new area is like a new stage on a fighting game, it adds more spice and you have to play differently. So yh what would people suggest and would people be willing to pvp somewhere else?

[bopjo1]

2-2 would be interesting...

[Frilly_Bits]

1-3, 1-4
3-1 (near boss fog)
4-2 (near 1st reaper)
and 5-2 (near boss fog) would be great pvp spots. I've fought there in random invasions and they're pretty good for pvp imo. There are obstacles that people can hide behind (particularly in 1-4 and 4-2), but I think it ads an interesting element to the fight.

4-1 is also chalk full of red jumpers and i'm finding it difficult to have good 1on1 pvp sessions unless it's coordinated. I'm open to trying any other spots others have in mind ^_^

[HarbingerOfChaos]

I really only like to fight in 4-1

[Vendrine]

I don't like PvPing in 4-1, or any of world 4, because that is where all of the better PvP players are(and i'm not great at PvP). I was invaded I think 4 times in 20 minutes in 3-2. It is pretty interesting considering all of the narrow walkways with falls on both sides. Although, it could get annoying with everyone falling off with careless rolls.

[rkzhao]

you have to fight good players to get better

[Frilly_Bits]

:agree:

[superboy0081]

the online activity has drastically decreased in the past few weeks, and now you are thinking of further dividing it by going off to different places. I think 4-1 is the best place to go and have a pvp battle at. Plenty of space to move around and nothing blocking your view.

[Thaumogenesis]

well, ff13, heavy rain, god of war... there is some distraction indeed. but they will come back eventually, when their lasers are ####ed too :p

[YUR_GRANDMA]

the online activity has drastically decreased in the past few weeks, and now you are thinking of further dividing it by going off to different places. I think 4-1 is the best place to go and have a pvp battle at. Plenty of space to move around and nothing blocking your view.

Well i was just just suggesting this for organised duels like in the chats. I doubt it'd make any difference, if anything it'd mean less random invasions from ppl.

[SeikenZ]

Most of the time when I'm invading 4-1, there's a bunch of sadness coming straight at me hoping to get a cheap kill. Given that they fail a lot, it's just annoying.

I'd rather invade 4-2 where they can't possibly pull stuff like that.

[goatamus]

well, ff13, heavy rain, god of war... there is some distraction indeed. but they will come back eventually, when their lasers are ####ed too :p


Heavy Rain had me enthralled for awhile, till my laser died :very_sad:
But, I got a new slim, and the only thing i've put in it thus far has beeen Demon's Souls

[twigster xd]

you have to fight good players to get better

That's not true. My builds are always crap. I could never compare myself to a vet player. A good vet knows they can have a build where they hit you once with a magic attack like firestorm then beat your ass with only 1 or 2 hits. If you manage to beat one of these so-called "good" players, it only means you acted in the right way and didn't let them stomp you.
I think that fighting in 4-1 all the time is dull, where's the challenge. I would like to see some of these "good" players pvp on a stage they are scared to play on. I'm on 3-1 right now doing some farming. I know my char isn't that great but I challenge anyone who has a level anywhere around 72 + or -
Drop a red tag, I'll grab ya. See how "good" a player you are.

[superboy0081]

you have to fight good players to get better

That's not true. My builds are always crap. I could never compare myself to a vet player. A good vet knows they can have a build where they hit you once with a magic attack like firestorm then beat your ass with only 1 or 2 hits. If you manage to beat one of these so-called "good" players, it only means you acted in the right way and didn't let them stomp you.
I think that fighting in 4-1 all the time is dull, where's the challenge. I would like to see some of these "good" players pvp on a stage they are scared to play on. I'm on 3-1 right now doing some farming. I know my char isn't that great but I challenge anyone who has a level anywhere around 72 + or -
Drop a red tag, I'll grab ya. See how "good" a player you are.
lol 3-1... really?? all of world 3 is a nightmare dude. there is just no space to fight in 3-1, its very small and you wont be able to see whats going on half of the time. 3-2 is just a free fall. I could fight you in the swamp though, big area and plenty of space to fight. But then again im 125

[babymim]

you have to fight good players to get better

That's not true. My builds are always crap.

Solution: Make a new non-crappy build, or maybe repair the crappy build. Vets/Pros once started as beginners too in this game you know. :)

I'd gladly soulsuck anyone who would like to redistribute their stats, and of course, you can soulsuck your souls back from me. :)

I just love to do anything that would make the DS PvP community bigger and better. :)

[Hahalo]

On the other hand pvping good players doesn't mean you will improve.

I bet all of you seasoned pvp'er can take out newbies, in 4-10 second time gap, if not 1 hit KO. Which deprived them from learning at all. I use this often to surpress my opponent and install the fear into them, which helps in long term. I'm sure everyone does it, since destroying morale is the key in this game.

Thus I always encourage new players to start pvp low, and learn how to kill, before stepping higher into the arena in 90-130SL zone.

[rkzhao]

If you have a decent brain to learn from ur experiences, fighting a good player should always help u improve, no matter what happens.

First, If they kill you quick, then u can see what technique they used that were so effective. By getting your ass kicked a few times, you should learn to get better at dodging and avoiding attacks. You can learn the weaknesses of your build by seeing how a vet exploits your mistakes.

Everything I've learned is based on fighting good players. People need to chill out and be willing to lose.

Also as for invading in 3-1 or what not, sure. I'm fine with that. You need a open space to duel really but there are plenty of things I can spam in tight corridors and requires no skill. The reason everyone's at 4-1 is because everyone else is at 4-1. You kind of need other people to play together. But I've invaded just about everywhere.

Finally as for having crappy builds, that's your own fault. It's not that hard to calculate out which stats u actually need to increase. You can always just start over with a new character. Grind a bit in 4-2 and you'll be at 120 in no time. Or you can find people to dupe souls.

[ghost1on1]

If you have a decent brain to learn from ur experiences, fighting a good player should always help u improve, no matter what happens.

First, If they kill you quick, then u can see what technique they used that were so effective. By getting your ass kicked a few times, you should learn to get better at dodging and avoiding attacks. You can learn the weaknesses of your build by seeing how a vet exploits your mistakes.

Everything I've learned is based on fighting good players. People need to chill out and be willing to lose.

Also as for invading in 3-1 or what not, sure. I'm fine with that. You need a open space to duel really but there are plenty of things I can spam in tight corridors and requires no skill. The reason everyone's at 4-1 is because everyone else is at 4-1. You kind of need other people to play together. But I've invaded just about everywhere.

Finally as for having crappy builds, that's your own fault. It's not that hard to calculate out which stats u actually need to increase. You can always just start over with a new character. Grind a bit in 4-2 and you'll be at 120 in no time. Or you can find people to dupe souls.
I agree, ive gotten some nasty messages, which doesnt hurt my feelings in the least, and i have gotten my ass stomped so fast I didnt even know what happend, and I immediately sent a message asking how? (to learn) and for a rematch ( for revenge ). I swear I played this one guy 10 min. I bet him down, backed off, let him heal, over and over, he thanked me after it was over and now hes a friend. Get in there, get your hands dirty, and learn.

[twigster xd]

If you have a decent brain to learn from ur experiences, fighting a good player should always help u improve, no matter what happens.

First, If they kill you quick, then u can see what technique they used that were so effective. By getting your ass kicked a few times, you should learn to get better at dodging and avoiding attacks. You can learn the weaknesses of your build by seeing how a vet exploits your mistakes.

Everything I've learned is based on fighting good players. People need to chill out and be willing to lose.

Also as for invading in 3-1 or what not, sure. I'm fine with that. You need a open space to duel really but there are plenty of things I can spam in tight corridors and requires no skill. The reason everyone's at 4-1 is because everyone else is at 4-1. You kind of need other people to play together. But I've invaded just about everywhere.

Finally as for having crappy builds, that's your own fault. It's not that hard to calculate out which stats u actually need to increase. You can always just start over with a new character. Grind a bit in 4-2 and you'll be at 120 in no time. Or you can find people to dupe souls.

If soimeone ko's me in a matter of seconds, how can I watch they doing if I'm trying to fight back and defend myself. Can't concentrate on what theyt do or I might as well drop my weapons and just let them beat me. As far as duelling in 3-1 that's what makes it a challenge. And for my crapy builds. I have NO idea what stats to use to make my char stronger. I can build strong weapons but when it only takes a few hits to deplete my health while it takes me 20 to deplete yours, I have no idea what to do there.I don't know what faith, dex or str strengthens. I have made several builds and figured out that the only good build is a 120 build or maxing everything out to 40. I can't seem to get that far before getting to NG.
I also want to know if there's a cheat you can use with the mirdan hammer. Not that I want the cheat, I just wanna know if there is one. Had a guy invade me a dozen times last night, and everytime he was about to lose, he would run off switch to the hammer and hit me about 20 times in a row without a stamina loss and kill me. not the first person I've seen do this either.

[Hahalo]

To put it simple, it can go either way.. depending on your server maturity.

I merely sharing my experience in Asia server back in 6months ago. Japan server had already launch for 10 months, and I just had the fresh english version for Asia server and going to pvp at 110++SL with a random build, and +3 dragon weapon... just make me kiss the floor too fast..

Imagine your first few pvp and bump into a Uchi Push player.. you never know what hit you.

IMO learning to kill is more important then learning what killed you.

Anyway, I never play this game for like 2 months, since Uncharted2, Darksider, Bioshock2.. and now FF13.. not sure whats the pvp standard anymore. So it can go either way.

[philtord]

the pvp standard now seems to be ultra hardcore vets or learning noobs with very little inbetween. the jumpers are still there but they are the minority and usually easy kills. ofcourse you learn more from watching other players the reason people dont get better is because they dont watch others. you learn more from a loss than from a win.

[twigster xd]

the pvp standard now seems to be ultra hardcore vets or learning noobs with very little inbetween. the jumpers are still there but they are the minority and usually easy kills. ofcourse you learn more from watching other players the reason people dont get better is because they dont watch others. you learn more from a loss than from a win.

You cannot learn by watching. How do you compete against a full magic build to a strength build. Guy comes in, slams you in the face with a level 2 flame toss with max stats, then hits u once with a meat cleaver as you are teetering. How do you learn when you only know what your stats sit at. You only learn by reading posts and asking people for help on creating a good build. I've tried multiple times to create a good temple knight. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. It's just luck for me when I win. If some guy is pummeling me and I'm about to lose over 100,000 souls (and I mean trying to grab them b4 getting invaded again), I'm not about to sit back and see what it is he is doing. I've asked for help from a couple people and they say to focus on str, dex and faith. But what I don't know is, when I level up, do I focus on 1 stat to a certain point then move onto another, or do I distribute my points evenly. What stat should be higher, should they all be the same number. Can't find anywhere on here that tells me. I just see posts that say the person has 40 str, 30 dex, 25 faith and so on. Tells me nothing. Like I said uabove, what stat strengthens what? I don't know what faith does other than grants miracle power and magic defense. Do I max that out first or something else?

[philtord]

the pvp standard now seems to be ultra hardcore vets or learning noobs with very little inbetween. the jumpers are still there but they are the minority and usually easy kills. ofcourse you learn more from watching other players the reason people dont get better is because they dont watch others. you learn more from a loss than from a win.

You cannot learn by watching. How do you compete against a full magic build to a strength build. Guy comes in, slams you in the face with a level 2 flame toss with max stats, then hits u once with a meat cleaver as you are teetering. How do you learn when you only know what your stats sit at. You only learn by reading posts and asking people for help on creating a good build. I've tried multiple times to create a good temple knight. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. It's just luck for me when I win. If some guy is pummeling me and I'm about to lose over 100,000 souls (and I mean trying to grab them b4 getting invaded again), I'm not about to sit back and see what it is he is doing. I've asked for help from a couple people and they say to focus on str, dex and faith. But what I don't know is, when I level up, do I focus on 1 stat to a certain point then move onto another, or do I distribute my points evenly. What stat should be higher, should they all be the same number. Can't find anywhere on here that tells me. I just see posts that say the person has 40 str, 30 dex, 25 faith and so on. Tells me nothing. Like I said uabove, what stat strengthens what? I don't know what faith does other than grants miracle power and magic defense. Do I max that out first or something else?

first of all yes you do learn by watching your opponent, im fairly sure this is a world renowned way of learning, second never raise all of your stats its a sure fire way to die. look at the weapons you want to use and their modifiers, for instance crushing scales off of strength hence you should invest in the strength stat, sharp for dex etc id always go with 40 end for melee (max stamina bar) 50 vit and 50 for the stat that will do dmg eg dex or strength. i have 16 fth for casting second chance and 15 int for enough mp to cast it. all others are at base, this does limit you to certain weapon types but you cant have everything which it seems you want, this is quite difficult at first but your build will excell in certain areas and have weaknesses in others... for pvp its a choice youll have to make.oh and i do very well against mages its just observation im not saying throw down your control and bring out the popcorn just observe.

[Morrigan Stark]

If some guy is pummeling me and I'm about to lose over 100,000 souls (and I mean trying to grab them b4 getting invaded again),

You should do that in soul form, dude. Retrieving your bloodstain in body form is just asking for trouble, unless you summon Blues to help you get back there (which I did, once, to get my bloodstain back, but I knew the risks of being invaded, I basically gambled).

I'm not about to sit back and see what it is he is doing. I've asked for help from a couple people and they say to focus on str, dex and faith. But what I don't know is, when I level up, do I focus on 1 stat to a certain point then move onto another, or do I distribute my points evenly. What stat should be higher, should they all be the same number. Can't find anywhere on here that tells me. I just see posts that say the person has 40 str, 30 dex, 25 faith and so on. Tells me nothing. Like I said uabove, what stat strengthens what? I don't know what faith does other than grants miracle power and magic defense. Do I max that out first or something else?

I think you misunderstood what others have said; it should be "focus on STR, DEX or FAITH", so "or", not "and" (unless you want to use the Meat Cleaver I guess, which has stat bonuses on all of those I believe). So you need to figure out which weapons scale up with which stat. If you want a strong melee fighter, you can create a powerful Crushing +5 type weapon and pump in STR, since Crushing weapons scale up with STR. Or you can create a Sharp+5 weapon and pump in DEX, or create a Blessed+5 weapon and pump in FAITH (though you should know that Blessed weapons have HP regen and magical damage, which is interesting, but on the other hand they cannot be enhanced by Turpentine or buffing spells).

Of course, to stand a better chance against the better players, you'll probably need enough FAITH to cast Second Chance, so you might want to consider that too.

Here's more info about weapon upgrades and stats: http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/upgrade

Hope this helps.

Edit: oops, philtord beat me to it, some of what I said is redundant ^^ but yeah he has good advice on END and VIT, you should raise END at 40 and then stop (because the stamina is capped at END 40), and put VIT between 40 and 50 for more HP.

[twigster xd]

I can never get my dex or str past 30, faith I always go to at least 20 so I can get that pure ore. I made a crushing mirdan just to see if it's better than my +10 halberd, and on NG+ it seemed better. Not sure what weapon to focus on because I'm not much of a swords player. I like the pole arms. But building up to be able to use these weapons and then u gotta do the farming, It's not that I want everything, I just don't know what weapon best fits yet since I haven't tried them all. Favourite weapon is large sword of searching, but I have a profile where it sucks on NG+ but it's not too bad on another NG+ profile. Only thing I hate about that weapon is it has major kick back and that can be deadly trying to save yourself from an invasion on levels like 3-1. Got invaded there once, no chance to change weapons and while fighting I kicked the wall and flung myself to doom.

And morrigan I do that most times but there are some stages I need the help with and if bloodstain is in bad spot for me to do alone, I look for a blue tag. And lately, a few of the blues I have been getting help from, are no better than me so we both get killed by an invader

[philtord]

DONT use large sword of searching, its awful only good for farming. are you looking to pvp or do you want a charachter for pvp and pve because i can tell you now it wont work. ive built alot of characters soley using them for pvp and theyre better for pve too just more limitations, if your builds all over the place i suggest using dragon weapons or north regalia, but these arent exactly hugely damaging since the dont scale off stats.

[MonkeySlime808]

although when i bought this game at launch PvP was really fun... now today when i pvp theres lots of damn noobs that can't 1 on 1

[MonkeySlime808]

DONT use large sword of searching, its awful only good for farming. are you looking to pvp or do you want a charachter for pvp and pve because i can tell you now it wont work. ive built alot of characters soley using them for pvp and theyre better for pve too just more limitations, if your builds all over the place i suggest using dragon weapons or north regalia, but these arent exactly hugely damaging since the dont scale off stats.

actually its a good choice of weapon for first game and NG+ believe me i used it and i own in pvp during my noob stages

[twigster xd]

DONT use large sword of searching, its awful only good for farming. are you looking to pvp or do you want a charachter for pvp and pve because i can tell you now it wont work. ive built alot of characters soley using them for pvp and theyre better for pve too just more limitations, if your builds all over the place i suggest using dragon weapons or north regalia, but these arent exactly hugely damaging since the dont scale off stats.

I know what PvP is but haven't figured out what PvE is. I want to be able to compete, whether it's Pvp, Pve or just to save my arse if I get invaded. Got invaded by this one guy so many times last night, got tired of him cheating so I quit for the night. Buddy was helping me kill blue dragon to save me some time and this guy would just not leave. He must have done something to his game because I went and grabbed the banish spell and for some reason, he walked righ6t through it. It casted properly and fully and he still managed to get us. Hitting us each more than a dozen times with that mirdan hammer. Can't figure out how he never needed a stamina break and took no damage from either myself or my friend while we were hitting him and he was hitting on one of us.

[Morrigan Stark]

PvE = Player vs Environment.

[twigster xd]

PvE = Player vs Environment.

You mean where they want to play? Like most of these guys like 4-1 because it's wide opened area

[Morrigan Stark]

No, no. PvE just refers to playing against the normal AI enemies, traps, etc.
Basically, if you play strictly PvE (e.g. not against other players), your character build might be different than if you build it strictly for PvP.
For example, if you make a pure PvE character, you might want to learn Evacuate, or pump enough STR to use the Purple Flame Shield (which is useful in world 2, especially against Flamelurker). Those two elements are not really useful in a pure PvP build.

[twigster xd]

No, no. PvE just refers to playing against the normal AI enemies, traps, etc.
Basically, if you play strictly PvE (e.g. not against other players), your character build might be different than if you build it strictly for PvP.
For example, if you make a pure PvE character, you might want to learn Evacuate, or pump enough STR to use the Purple Flame Shield (which is useful in world 2, especially against Flamelurker). Those two elements are not really useful in a pure PvP build.

Got ya now. Gonna send you a message, got a huge question for ya....lol

[rkzhao]

General rule of SL120 builds. Get your main attack stat to 50, End to 40, vit to 45-50, faith to 16 for second chance. int to 15-18 for 100 mp. Everything else is base

Keep an open mind when you lose and figure out what killed u. If you get killed by one uchi combo, then you should have learned that "oh I shouldn't get caught in that" and that "uchi combo can kill".

I'm not saying you have to go and lose 10 red eye duels but I can tell u that I did that when I first started dueling and increased my skill level faster than anything I did before. My original comment was aimed at the guy who said he doesn't like 4-1 because of the vets. I'd say 4-1 is the perfect place to learn because there are vets and noobs. Go and invade in 4-1 and you bound to run into some decent duelers. Or you can body camp and wait for the better players to find you. Learn from the good players and practice on the other guys and soon you'll get better.

[YUR_GRANDMA]

You know i think 1-2 would be a great place to duel. Just kill the dragons then the long pathways are pretty nice areas. Plus theres a lot of nice scenery around it too, 4-1 looks rather dull.

I'd actually leave the wooden platforms up, a few obstacles could make fights more interesting.

[twigster xd]

General rule of SL120 builds. Get your main attack stat to 50, End to 40, vit to 45-50, faith to 16 for second chance. int to 15-18 for 100 mp. Everything else is base

Keep an open mind when you lose and figure out what killed u. If you get killed by one uchi combo, then you should have learned that "oh I shouldn't get caught in that" and that "uchi combo can kill".

I'm not saying you have to go and lose 10 red eye duels but I can tell u that I did that when I first started dueling and increased my skill level faster than anything I did before. My original comment was aimed at the guy who said he doesn't like 4-1 because of the vets. I'd say 4-1 is the perfect place to learn because there are vets and noobs. Go and invade in 4-1 and you bound to run into some decent duelers. Or you can body camp and wait for the better players to find you. Learn from the good players and practice on the other guys and soon you'll get better.

By main attack stat do you mean either str or dex depending on what build your going for? Uchi combo, have NO idea what that is....lol
Morrigab gave me an awesome answer to an email I sent him. I made a str build but did something wrong. Tried to do the last stage in world 1 and lost 7 levels due to soul suck and my weapon hardly did any damage. The only boss I had a problem with that whole game was that one. Always had a prob with F Lurker, (when playing solo), but I chewed him up and spit him out at level 25. Gonna try a dex build and see if I can learn to use swords. I like pole weapons like the halberd. Thx for the tips, every little bit helps. Then once I'm comfortable with PvE I'm gonna jump on the PvP band wagon and see what I can do. Maybe come after you and morrigan so u can see how much ya helped me.....lol

[rkzhao]

yes main attack stat as in str, dex, faith or magic.
Str and Dex you can curse ur weapons for maximum dmg so that requires 18int if you want. Otherwise 15 int for 100mp or 14 int for 2 magic slots (pretty much for warding)

Faith weapons can't be enchanted but you should still should get enough int for second chance. Minimum int is 13 with silver coronet but 14 gets u 2slots for warding and 15 you can wear whatever.

Magic is more for pure mages but mag melee works similar to faith builds.

The few special cases are Nothern Regalia builds which use min stat reqs then pump vit, Meat Cleaver use 34str/30dex, Blueblood sword use 30mag/20-30 luck and use insanity catalyst to cast light weapon (2 slots) on the sword.

Gamefaqs has a pretty decent PvP thread made by Damoene and EWGF that should give you everything you need to know to get started.

[Morrigan Stark]

Morrigab gave me an awesome answer to an email I sent him.
You're welcome, but you might want to know I'm a "her", not a "him". :)

[twigster xd]

Morrigab gave me an awesome answer to an email I sent him.
You're welcome, but you might want to know I'm a "her", not a "him". :)

Yeah sorry bout that. Noticed a thread after I left that post saying something about your boyfriend. When I saw that I said "oops" Sorry hon