boring now

[monster528]

i honestly love this game, but ever since i got to soul level 170-180, ive been unable to freaking pvp anyone...why is it that all these boring ass people stay near sl 120? this game is seriously starting to get boring now

[Scarecrow]

Demon's Souls only sold around 300,000+ copies...or maybe closer to 400K now?

Anyway, the community isn't huge like in most games so it's to be expected.


And yes, most people (sadly) farm themselves to death in Shrine (it's like a drug)

OMG I'm gonna soul suck enemies and get 4 million souls:seesaw:

Then by the time they're at a high level the game is easy (since the game's difficulty can't keep up with farming, for the most part)

What playthrough are you in now? New Game +2, 3?

At level 170 you should be on your 15th/20th NG+
If not, your world will definitely not be a challenge. I'm going to guess, but you probably 1 or 2 hit kill most enemies, no?

Again, I'm not dissing you or anything. I do agree that not having much pvp in the higher levels is a bit sad, but pvp is not necessary to enjoy the game.

Though would be nice if more people played at the higher levels... (the game should have probably had a cap at around level 200 so that people aren't spread out around 700 levels)

Small community + 712 Soul Levels = most staying around the lower levels (under SL 150)

Sad, since at the higher levels you can wield better weapons + armor*

You can move on and play some other game it's not the end of the world:D

[DH321]

i honestly love this game, but ever since i got to soul level 170-180, ive been unable to freaking pvp anyone...why is it that all these boring ass people stay near sl 120? this game is seriously starting to get boring now

For the most part (in my perspective), it gets too annoying attaining souls to level up past SL 130. I like steadying at 120-125 cause we duel each other a lot, and to do that we use red soul sign drops. When you lose a duel from that, you lose a SL. Personally, I lose a lot so that's one way you could put it.

Others might say it provides a good balance between builds. Others might argue that when builds get too high, fights become pointless with the extra high Vit and nobody dies easily.

[DH321]

Demon's Souls only sold around 300,000+ copies...or maybe closer to 400K now?

Anyway, the community isn't huge like in most games so it's to be expected.


And yes, most people (sadly) farm themselves to death in Shrine (it's like a drug)

OMG I'm gonna soul suck enemies and get 4 million souls:seesaw:

Then by the time they're at a high level the game is easy (since the game's difficulty can't keep up with farming, for the most part)

What playthrough are you in now? New Game +2, 3?

At level 170 you should be on your 15th/20th NG+
If not, your world will definitely not be a challenge. I'm going to guess, but you probably 1 or 2 hit kill most enemies, no?

Again, I'm not dissing you or anything. I do agree that not having much pvp in the higher levels is a bit sad, but pvp is not necessary to enjoy the game.

Though would be nice if more people played at the higher levels... (the game should have probably had a cap at around level 200 so that people aren't spread out around 700 levels)

Small community + 712 Soul Levels = most staying around the lower levels (under SL 150)

Sad, since at the higher levels you can wield better weapons + armor*

You can move on and play some other game it's not the end of the world:D

I honestly... Don't know what you're trying to point out here >.>

[Scarecrow]

I honestly... Don't know what you're trying to point out here >.>

Too complex?

I'll simplify it.
The community is small (got that?)
The Soul Level upgrade system spans from Soul Level 1 to Soul Level 712 (got that?)

This results in most people staying at the lower levels since there you're guaranteed to say within "the community." This is where most n00bs, veterans, and pros meet. The lower levels.

Sure, some do go up to SL 200+ but by that time most have farmed themselves to death (by leveling up in Shrine of Storms). This turns their Player VS Enemy experience into a snore-fest. In turn most quit playing the game or start a new character/class.

Now, there are those who don't farm at all and instead keep the challenge of pve alive. So if pvp is rare when they're at SL 150 they've still got the challenge of beating the game at a much more higher difficulty + upgrading new weapons. And the funnest of all, trying out new gear that was impossible before. As well as new weapons.

It's all in how YOU approach the game after NG+2

If you don't get that, I suggest you go back to Elementary school (nothing personal)

[Jingseng]

agreed... i think it's a bit much to paint the "difficulty" brush on every player.

I think it's the lack of variety that occurs once you are NG+/++. Hard or not, you are literally doing the same thing over and over - you know how to beat every enemy, regardless of it's difficulty, because you've faced it so many times now. You know where the geicos are, where the traps are, where the ambushes are... you don't even bother reading messages or bloodstains anymore.

It's not like the first time you loaded the game - you're trying to get a handle on the control scheme, looking at messages, dealing with foes (weak, weak foes), wondering what the crap is going on with the white ghosts everywhere... that's all a matter of new experience, and not difficulty.

And when you venture into a new world without referring to some sort of map or guide... moving cautiously, measuring the risk vs. reward that is the core of the entire gameplay experience, reading msgs, attempting to decipher obscure message meanings, rating them, and leaving as many (and obviously much more useful) messages as you can... the first time you experience storylines (such as they are); the catharsis that is the entire experience of world 5; the overriding urge to push Ostrava into a fire; the time when you decided to hell with it and pushed ostrava into a fire...

That's all a matter of newness. And it's missing after NG (barring differences in WWT and BWT if you never did those) because absolutely every single enemy and item is in the exact same place, and is the exact same enemy (albeit tougher) and item (albeit more useless).

So after that, you collect. Because it's about getting new _things_ now instead of experiences. New weapons to tool about with, new spells, new _stats_... which might even lead to a new _way_ to play your character.

But then you have everything (except bladestone... quick, get some glue for those shards...). So you get trophies. But then you get all those...

The only thing that is new or variable is Coop and Pvp. Because they behave differently, dynamically, and out of your control. They may or may not even occur. But even now, that's sort of gone - because of the glitch. I might win, I might lose, but pathetic people cheating to get their jollies off by griefing other players is just plain sad and not worth dealing with.

it'd be nice to see the game grow a little... DLC system works perfectly for adding additional worlds (at the least, the northern lands of the 6th archstone). And given how large and empty Nexus is, there's certainly room for expansion. New enemies. New weapons. New spells. New upgrades. New.

[Scarecrow]

Well, having really tough words with my NG+++++++ characters I know that you can't just "know the enemies" and beat the game easily (try getting hit by those dog-wolfs and shrugging it off)

Or your guard being broken from two hits?

That's sheer difficulty (love it):devil:

Seriously, you guys seriously need to try it

Anyway, but yes, we do agree that after NG+ most people don't know what to do. I do! New weapons, shields upgrades, ROLE REVERSE, from invader to blue phantom, or the other way around, etc. But the meat of it all is the challenge of pve which is there if you consider not soulsucking the life out of the game :D

[MidiPour]

If you don't get that, I suggest you go back to Elementary school (nothing personal)

I didn't understand your post either, because it lacks integrity and reason. However, I'd argue that [at higher levels] the costs outweigh the gains. Even a blueblood can be well-endowed at Soul Level 125. Also, for PvE masochists, it is possible to have 87 Vitality / 40 Endurance / 540 DMG Northern Regalia, with warding, a decent shield and Doran's Armor. I was after all in NG+15 at SL120.

For me creating as many builds and attempting to master them in their different schematics is fun to be had, and it takes tons of hours of practice in order to master a class. The learning curve is the main draw to this game, along with competitive invasions, paranoid trips, and simple PvP. It is, overall, the community and mechanics that make Demon's Souls worthwhile after plowing through the game multiple times.

[HarbingerOfChaos]

i honestly love this game, but ever since i got to soul level 170-180, ive been unable to freaking pvp anyone...why is it that all these boring ass people stay near sl 120? this game is seriously starting to get boring now
Thank you.


Thank you, Monster528.

[MidiPour]

i honestly love this game, but ever since i got to soul level 170-180, ive been unable to freaking pvp anyone...why is it that all these boring ass people stay near sl 120? this game is seriously starting to get boring now
Thank you.


Thank you, Monster528.

I'm pretty sure PvP at at level 319 works. You lose a match, you forfeit 1 million souls! For what? An ambidextrous character? XD

[HarbingerOfChaos]

Hur


I was fighting another 712 4-1, and the he tried to roll away to use NM grass.
I hit him with soul ray.

Classic.

[MidiPour]

So you'd rather risk 9 million souls a match that can be had at SL 120?...

[HarbingerOfChaos]

1. I won't lose.

2. I got 400 mill on me at all times.

3. The fights are very different.

[spacehamster]

It's not like the first time you loaded the game - you're trying to get a handle on the control scheme, looking at messages, dealing with foes (weak, weak foes), wondering what the crap is going on with the white ghosts everywhere... that's all a matter of new experience, and not difficulty.


I don't know if you intended this, so if you didn't, I apologize in advance, but... you make this all sound like Demon's Souls is the only game where this happens. Most games, especially action-based games with little to no branching story paths, lose their appeal after the second playthrough unless you basically invent challenges for yourself to keep them interesting. That's just how it goes, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with Demon's Souls.

[Decaying Corpse]

i honestly love this game, but ever since i got to soul level 170-180, ive been unable to freaking pvp anyone...why is it that all these boring ass people stay near sl 120? this game is seriously starting to get boring now

I am sorry we are boring you...:very_sad:

[mnsouth]

no idea how the NA servers work but the asian servers have quite alot of people playing @ or around SL: 170. But of course, there arent nearly as many as the number of people that pvp/co-op around 120.

And of course, i´m lucky enough to have encountered a few japanese players that do understand English so i can co-op with them, if not i´m sure i would have seen alot less blue and black phantoms.

However, i do agree, it would have been fun if more people did level up or if From would rethink the level caps alittle. Why not let a player at SL: 200+ see blue phantoms from SL: 100 and upwards.

Yes, a SL 100 player might not have much to put into a fight if the host is himself @ 300, but it would atlest give people the ability to co-op. The cap for Black phantoms can remain as is since that seems to work much better then the blue phantom level caps.

Sadly, the low level caps and the big amount of levels in the game in combination with the not so big community of online players is alittle boring since the biggest enjoyment in the game is the co-op/pvp action once you´ve done a few ng+. I´m glad that the game has recieved a sales boost in asia since the release of the "playstation best" version, but even now most new players picking up the game now will stick to sub 200 SL.

Which most likely wont change for demon´s souls, but i hope the co-op levels is something they will look into improving for demon´s souls 2 or atleast give us a global lobby where people can see which maps are played right now and the number of people playing on a map in your SL range. It wont change the experience of Demon´s souls, but it would make it easier for the relatively big amount of demon´s souls player that do enjoy co-op/pvp.

However, with all this said: it´s of course understandable if a player stays at 120, since that´s the area that will get most of the online actions, i however find it much more fun to pvp and co-op around 200. The game is much more diversified as far as builds and weapons and spells go - the oposite to what people that tend to stick to 120 is saying, and fights can still be over in a second just as they can last for 20 minutes. So yeah i to wish more people would venture out alittle as far as their SL goes.

Heck, i would gladly level up to 300 or 400 if i had people to co-op with along the ride since i´m sure it would just make it even more fun doing pvp.

[Scarecrow]

If you don't get that, I suggest you go back to Elementary school (nothing personal)

I didn't understand your post either, because it lacks integrity and reason. However, I'd argue that [at higher levels] the costs outweigh the gains. Even a blueblood can be well-endowed at Soul Level 125. Also, for PvE masochists, it is possible to have 87 Vitality / 40 Endurance / 540 DMG Northern Regalia, with warding, a decent shield and Doran's Armor. I was after all in NG+15 at SL120.

For me creating as many builds and attempting to master them in their different schematics is fun to be had, and it takes tons of hours of practice in order to master a class. The learning curve is the main draw to this game, along with competitive invasions, paranoid trips, and simple PvP. It is, overall, the community and mechanics that make Demon's Souls worthwhile after plowing through the game multiple times.

Masochist? Are you sure you're using that label correctly?
I'm in it for the challenge, not to get killed on purpose

That'd make a legendary warrior if anything! (or something along those lines!)

BS, you can't have 540 damage with nothern regalia at level 120:bs:

And yes, you need to go back to Elementary school if you can't understand my post (nothing personal)*

[CaleYomedaar]

why cant you have 540 damage with Northern Regalia at SL120??? It has no modifiers, only from CT...so if it is pure white/black, you get the 135 mag and 135 phys damage bonus on top of the already 135/135...hmmm, i remember how to do multiplication from Elementary school, 135x4= 540!!!! wow, that was hard....maybe you should go back to elementary school (nothing personal, youre just condescending)

[XtremeDeath]

I think you cheated and counted on your toes... But, I could be wrong.

[CaleYomedaar]

got me there...i snuck a calculator in...

[XtremeDeath]

If I remember algebra... it's 135 x 4. That means 5 time 4 equals 20. Write down the zero and place the 2 above the three. 3 times 4 is 12. Add 2 to 12 and you get 14. Let's see. Write the 4 next to the zero... Hey hey, we've got 40... Ok. Place the 1 over the 1 and 1 times 4 is ... man, the answer escapes me. I know it's easy. A little help here please. Oh yeah. 1 times 4 is 4. 4 plus 1 is 5. I think we come up with 540. Guess what? You're calculator is right.

[the_nothingcomes]

Masochist? Are you sure you're using that label correctly?
I'm in it for the challenge, not to get killed on purpose

That'd make a legendary warrior if anything! (or something along those lines!)

BS, you can't have 540 damage with nothern regalia at level 120:bs:

And yes, you need to go back to Elementary school if you can't understand my post (nothing personal)*

You seem to just like arguing stupid points for the sake of gaining more posts and recognition. I don't think I've read a response of yours yet where you're not trying to condescend to someone while attempting to come off "cute". And you post in nearly EVERY THREAD. The sad thing is, most of your points are borderline retarded. Your original post was so poorly worded and conceived that I'd blame your lack of education for people's misunderstanding of it rather than theirs. Just saying.

Also, masochistic in the sense that you're in for more punishment due to NG + to an endless amount at level 120, meaning your stats stay the same, your game gets infinitely harder. Masochistic doesn't have anything to do with getting killed on purpose. It's a glutton for pain. Maybe you should go back to elementary school and learn to use a dictionary or the ability to string two thoughts together coherently. Nothing personal. ~^_^~

P.S. and what that other guy said about NR "The North Regalia does 135 Physical Damage and 135 Magical Damage. This sword can have a maximum of 270 Physical Damage and 270 Magical Damage depending on your character tendency." Last I heard, you didn't need a high level for CT. Elementary school you say? Harumph.

[CaleYomedaar]

here here...well said

[Scarecrow]

You seem to just like arguing stupid points for the sake of gaining more posts and recognition. I don't think I've read a response of yours yet where you're not trying to condescend to someone while attempting to come off "cute". And you post in nearly EVERY THREAD. The sad thing is, most of your points are borderline retarded. Your original post was so poorly worded and conceived that I'd blame your lack of education for people's misunderstanding of it rather than theirs. Just saying.

Recognition? jealousy much?
Post count does nothing. It doesn't get me new games nor does it get me special DLC so why would I care 'bout post count?

Your ridiculous accusations are hilarious! It's like "OMG LET ME HATE HIM BECAUSE HE HAS HIGH POST COUNT!" Most idiotic argument I have ever seen.

Also, masochistic in the sense that you're in for more punishment due to NG + to an endless amount at level 120, meaning your stats stay the same, your game gets infinitely harder. Masochistic doesn't have anything to do with getting killed on purpose. It's a glutton for pain. Maybe you should go back to elementary school and learn to use a dictionary or the ability to string two thoughts together coherently. Nothing personal. ~^_^~

Do you even know what masochist means? In a fighting game, when you decide to be the game at a higher difficulty, is that masochism?

There must be a lot of masochists out there then. I remember how frantic some of my friends were about beating God of War in GOD mode.

P.S. and what that other guy said about NR "The North Regalia does 135 Physical Damage and 135 Magical Damage. This sword can have a maximum of 270 Physical Damage and 270 Magical Damage depending on your character tendency." Last I heard, you didn't need a high level for CT. Elementary school you say? Harumph.
Ah! But that's if you decide to pure your character tendency to either side (I like invading as well as helping).

The Northern Regalia might get the job done for multiple gameplays but will eventually fade out as the game.

Since I wasn't taking CT into account, I take that 540 BS statement back.

[spacehamster]

Now now, kids, play nice.

[DH321]

I honestly... Don't know what you're trying to point out here >.>

Too complex?

I'll simplify it.
The community is small (got that?)
The Soul Level upgrade system spans from Soul Level 1 to Soul Level 712 (got that?)

This results in most people staying at the lower levels since there you're guaranteed to say within "the community." This is where most n00bs, veterans, and pros meet. The lower levels.

Sure, some do go up to SL 200+ but by that time most have farmed themselves to death (by leveling up in Shrine of Storms). This turns their Player VS Enemy experience into a snore-fest. In turn most quit playing the game or start a new character/class.

Now, there are those who don't farm at all and instead keep the challenge of pve alive. So if pvp is rare when they're at SL 150 they've still got the challenge of beating the game at a much more higher difficulty + upgrading new weapons. And the funnest of all, trying out new gear that was impossible before. As well as new weapons.

It's all in how YOU approach the game after NG+2

If you don't get that, I suggest you go back to Elementary school (nothing personal)

*Sigh*...

I don't think you get it. Most of what you're saying is from theory, not from experience. Your reasons... I don't even know where the hell they came from - I for one don't have any of those reasons on my list. I just don't like going over 130+ because it's simply too much of a hassle in terms of PvP. Lose a duel, you lose a level and it's only gonna cost around 100k souls. Above that it gets too pointless to farm, farm and farm again.

I'm gonna have to agree with above comments too - you're getting a bit annoying.

Oh and for the record, Northern Regalia is just a horrible weapon all around. Disregard it and go with better options >.<

[the_nothingcomes]

You seem to just like arguing stupid points for the sake of gaining more posts and recognition. I don't think I've read a response of yours yet where you're not trying to condescend to someone while attempting to come off "cute". And you post in nearly EVERY THREAD. The sad thing is, most of your points are borderline retarded. Your original post was so poorly worded and conceived that I'd blame your lack of education for people's misunderstanding of it rather than theirs. Just saying.

Recognition? jealousy much?
Post count does nothing. It doesn't get me new games nor does it get me special DLC so why would I care 'bout post count?

Your ridiculous accusations are hilarious! It's like "OMG LET ME HATE HIM BECAUSE HE HAS HIGH POST COUNT!" Most idiotic argument I have ever seen.

Is English actually your first language? Because that whole paragraph just flew over your head and it was worded so an eight year old could have understood it.

However, since you didn't get it, I wasn't praising your high post count. I was drawing attention to the fact that you generally don't know dick about anything you weigh in on and you weigh in on EVERYTHING. Therefore, I can only assume you think there's some sort of glorification of a high post count, because you seem to post for the sake of posting.

Which, if you follow, is less jealousy and more thinking you're an idiot.

Also, masochistic in the sense that you're in for more punishment due to NG + to an endless amount at level 120, meaning your stats stay the same, your game gets infinitely harder. Masochistic doesn't have anything to do with getting killed on purpose. It's a glutton for pain. Maybe you should go back to elementary school and learn to use a dictionary or the ability to string two thoughts together coherently. Nothing personal. ~^_^~

Do you even know what masochist means? In a fighting game, when you decide to be the game at a higher difficulty, is that masochism?

There must be a lot of masochists out there then. I remember how frantic some of my friends were about beating God of War in GOD mode.

Seriously? Do you own a dictionary? Do you know how to access dictionary.com and type a word into the search field?

P.S. and what that other guy said about NR "The North Regalia does 135 Physical Damage and 135 Magical Damage. This sword can have a maximum of 270 Physical Damage and 270 Magical Damage depending on your character tendency." Last I heard, you didn't need a high level for CT. Elementary school you say? Harumph.
Ah! But that's if you decide to pure your character tendency to either side (I like invading as well as helping).

The Northern Regalia might get the job done for multiple gameplays but will eventually fade out as the game.

Since I wasn't taking CT into account, I take that 540 BS statement back.

Yeah, you sure sidestepped that land mine. Nobody will think less of you now with that barely coherent backpedal that seems to ignore the initial argument altogether (infinite NG + at SL120).

Not to mention you apparently don't take CT into account with a weapon whose damage is based off CT. I mean, no smart person would even consider the AddedParam of the weapon whose damage output they were weighing in on. Definitely gaining face back.

Also, Midi was emphasizing you can have a weapon with high damage output at SL120 without putting points into stats other than survival stats, so that you can get the most bang for your buck staying at SL120 while taking your NG + as high as you like. Feel free to actually follow the conversation and not sound like a complete jackass.

[iceclimber]

scarecrow, it is not BS, I remember doing around that amount (perhaps closer to 480) of DMG with NR at 120. With PBCT. That is with two handing it. It is why I chose to use it to kill False King. The fight was over sooner.


Ah, never mind, I see where you admitted you were wrong.

[MidiPour]

Since the_nothingcomes gave an excellent refute, I think I might as well address the Northern Regalia, being that it's the weapon I exclusively use. Sure, it isn't a high tier weapon such as the duel-uchis, DBS+5 or Blueblood, but neither is it worthless. The NR is very intuitive when going for a backstab, and in many ways rivals the fatal estoc. I usually end up doing 1300 damage per backstab, and slice >25% of a competitor's HP with each blunt attack. If I run and press R1, I do twice the damage of a regular attack. It's a competent weapon for people willing to master the NR, and it gives a 230+ HP bonus to PvP vitality builds.

[spacehamster]

AFAIK people mostly find NR useless for PvP because its swings are relatively slow (i.e. easy to read and react to) for the amount of damage it does. I've used it extensively for PvE on my melee character and it worked really well for me, except for the fact that I had to keep my character at PB after the Meph quest, which really annoyed the crap out of me, so I gave up on NR so I could move my CT towards white again.

[Slazer]

i honestly love this game, but ever since i got to soul level 170-180, ive been unable to freaking pvp anyone...why is it that all these boring ass people stay near sl 120? this game is seriously starting to get boring now

It Blows my mind how many times I have had to explain this....

The reason people stay at level 120 is because its the most balanced level for pvp(sure you could be a smart ass and say its lvl 712 but every build would be identical). The higher the level after 120-130 the more similar the builds tend to get. And anything over 150 also favors the Blue Blood Build Heavily. Most Builds have 3 important stats ie. VITALITY, ENDURANCE and 1 other such as STRENGTH or whatever you like. Getting all of those stats to roughly 50 is important to have a competent build capable of holding its own in a competitive scene. And guess what once you do level those 3 stats up and dish out some other stats ie. 16 FAITH(for scond chance) then you will be roughly level 120. The only builds that require 4 or more stats to level up are Blueblood, Meat Cleaver and a mage. Were not boring ass people were smart people who are actually making the game more fun by dueling at the proper levels.

[Slazer]

I honestly... Don't know what you're trying to point out here >.>

Too complex?

I'll simplify it.
The community is small (got that?)
The Soul Level upgrade system spans from Soul Level 1 to Soul Level 712 (got that?)

This results in most people staying at the lower levels since there you're guaranteed to say within "the community." This is where most n00bs, veterans, and pros meet. The lower levels.

Sure, some do go up to SL 200+ but by that time most have farmed themselves to death (by leveling up in Shrine of Storms). This turns their Player VS Enemy experience into a snore-fest. In turn most quit playing the game or start a new character/class.

Now, there are those who don't farm at all and instead keep the challenge of pve alive. So if pvp is rare when they're at SL 150 they've still got the challenge of beating the game at a much more higher difficulty + upgrading new weapons. And the funnest of all, trying out new gear that was impossible before. As well as new weapons.

It's all in how YOU approach the game after NG+2

If you don't get that, I suggest you go back to Elementary school (nothing personal)

wow way to be a dick I dont think most people understood the point of this post because it was not answering his question properly, there is no need to insult someone who said that. The reason we stop at level 120 is because of what I posted not what you did.....

PS.

You seem to just like arguing stupid points for the sake of gaining more posts and recognition. I don't think I've read a response of yours yet where you're not trying to condescend to someone while attempting to come off "cute". And you post in nearly EVERY THREAD. The sad thing is, most of your points are borderline retarded. Your original post was so poorly worded and conceived that I'd blame your lack of education for people's misunderstanding of it rather than theirs. Just saying.



You are absolutely correct with what you said.

[Scarecrow]

*Sigh*...

I don't think you get it. Most of what you're saying is from theory, not from experience.
No it's not, after NG+ you can upgrade new weapons, switch roles from black to blue (if you have been doing only one). Most people seem to blue during their first playthroughs.

You can stay at lower levels (making the game more challenging)
You can even play some pvp games like some here do

None of that is from experience /sarcasm

Your reasons... I don't even know where the hell they came from - I for one don't have any of those reasons on my list. I just don't like going over 130+ because it's simply too much of a hassle in terms of PvP. Lose a duel, you lose a level and it's only gonna cost around 100k souls. Above that it gets too pointless to farm, farm and farm again.
Just because you don't have them on your list doesn't mean they're not possible or interesting to others. It was a suggestion to author of the thread.

If you decide to get all idiotic by something not directed at you that's your problem.

I'm gonna have to agree with above comments too - you're getting a bit annoying.

Oh and for the record, Northern Regalia is just a horrible weapon all around. Disregard it and go with better options >.<
Do I care? :D
For all I know that other guy could be one of your real life friends or a second account. Whoever he is, his accusations are moronic. He hates me 'cause I post in many threads:mad::lol:
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Is English actually your first language? Because that whole paragraph just flew over your head and it was worded so an eight year old could have understood it.

However, since you didn't get it, I wasn't praising your high post count. I was drawing attention to the fact that you generally don't know dick about anything you weigh in on and you weigh in on EVERYTHING. Therefore, I can only assume you think there's some sort of glorification of a high post count, because you seem to post for the sake of posting.

Which, if you follow, is less jealousy and more thinking you're an idiot.
I should be the one asking you that question. Your lack of vocabulary, or rather, your misunderstanding of words is incomparable.

Your whole existence in this thread comes from my post count...

The Northern Regalia statement = all my statements? This further proves that you're nothing more than a troll

But hey, keep it up!

lol@ "less jealousy" wow...go ahead, you're even saying there's jealousy in your moronic statements.

Also, masochistic in the sense that you're in for more punishment due to NG + to an endless amount at level 120, meaning your stats stay the same, your game gets infinitely harder. Masochistic doesn't have anything to do with getting killed on purpose. It's a glutton for pain. Maybe you should go back to elementary school and learn to use a dictionary or the ability to string two thoughts together coherently. Nothing personal. ~^_^~

Do you even know what masochist means? In a fighting game, when you decide to be the game at a higher difficulty, is that masochism?

There must be a lot of masochists out there then. I remember how frantic some of my friends were about beating God of War in GOD mode.

Seriously? Do you own a dictionary? Do you know how to access dictionary.com and type a word into the search field?
I gave you an actual game example and you come with that crap? =O
The same way I challenge the game's difficulty is the same way a person would challenge a game like Metal Gear Solid at a higher difficulty*

Seriously, you need to learn your word meanings

Yeah, you sure sidestepped that land mine. Nobody will think less of you now with that barely coherent backpedal that seems to ignore the initial argument altogether (infinite NG + at SL120).
sidestepped? I admitted that my Northern Regalia statement was wrong. Do you know what "I take back" means?

Not to mention you apparently don't take CT into account with a weapon whose damage is based off CT. I mean, no smart person would even consider the AddedParam of the weapon whose damage output they were weighing in on. Definitely gaining face back.
I only used the weapon on NG+ for a while and moved (2/3 months ago). Probably because I wasn't interested in its bonuses (magic).

Also, Midi was emphasizing you can have a weapon with high damage output at SL120 without putting points into stats other than survival stats, so that you can get the most bang for your buck staying at SL120 while taking your NG + as high as you like. Feel free to actually follow the conversation and not sound like a complete jackass.
I was emphasizing other points, such as being able to use heavier armor/weapons (Bramd)<---weak damage compared to heavier weapons, but it's a weapon I like from time to time. So staying at 120 wouldn't do it.

But hey, I have a higher post count, that's what's probably hurting you

[Scarecrow]

I honestly... Don't know what you're trying to point out here >.>

Too complex?

I'll simplify it.
The community is small (got that?)
The Soul Level upgrade system spans from Soul Level 1 to Soul Level 712 (got that?)

This results in most people staying at the lower levels since there you're guaranteed to say within "the community." This is where most n00bs, veterans, and pros meet. The lower levels.

Sure, some do go up to SL 200+ but by that time most have farmed themselves to death (by leveling up in Shrine of Storms). This turns their Player VS Enemy experience into a snore-fest. In turn most quit playing the game or start a new character/class.

Now, there are those who don't farm at all and instead keep the challenge of pve alive. So if pvp is rare when they're at SL 150 they've still got the challenge of beating the game at a much more higher difficulty + upgrading new weapons. And the funnest of all, trying out new gear that was impossible before. As well as new weapons.

It's all in how YOU approach the game after NG+2

If you don't get that, I suggest you go back to Elementary school (nothing personal)

wow way to be a dick I dont think most people understood the point of this post because it was not answering his question properly, there is no need to insult someone who said that. The reason we stop at level 120 is because of what I posted not what you did.....

Doesn't apply to every player. That's why I said that some don't go over SL200 because they don't want to be out of range with the community (since the earlier levels is where the community is, most n00bs, etc.)

That's why I gave two scenarios, the first one being the one we both stated (community being at the lower levels). The second one being the "the game's getting too easy." There are those who farm souls to death (soulsucker) in shrine. By the time they're in NG+2 or 3 the game's not a challenge anymore. This is the other scenario, not applying it to everyone.

That's not being a dick, that's stating two obvious scenarios.

[Slazer]

[QUOTE=DH321;181578]I honestly... Don't know what you're trying to point out here >.>

Too complex?

I'll simplify it.
The community is small (got that?)
The Soul Level upgrade system spans from Soul Level 1 to Soul Level 712 (got that?)

This results in most people staying at the lower levels since there you're guaranteed to say within "the community." This is where most n00bs, veterans, and pros meet. The lower levels.

Sure, some do go up to SL 200+ but by that time most have farmed themselves to death (by leveling up in Shrine of Storms). This turns their Player VS Enemy experience into a snore-fest. In turn most quit playing the game or start a new character/class.

Now, there are those who don't farm at all and instead keep the challenge of pve alive. So if pvp is rare when they're at SL 150 they've still got the challenge of beating the game at a much more higher difficulty + upgrading new weapons. And the funnest of all, trying out new gear that was impossible before. As well as new weapons.

It's all in how YOU approach the game after NG+2

If you don't get that, I suggest you go back to Elementary school (nothing personal)

wow way to be a dick I dont think most people understood the point of this post because it was not answering his question properly, there is no need to insult someone who said that. The reason we stop at level 120 is because of what I posted not what you did.....

Doesn't apply to every player. That's why I said that some don't go over SL200 because they don't want to be out of range with the community (since the earlier levels is where the community is, most n00bs, etc.)

That's why I gave two scenarios, the first one being the one we both stated (community being at the lower levels). The second one being the "the game's getting too easy." There are those who farm souls to death (soulsucker) in shrine. By the time they're in NG+2 or 3 the game's not a challenge anymore. This is the other scenario, not applying it to everyone.

That's not being a dick, that's stating two obvious scenarios.

Are you trying to convince me you were not being a dick or yourself? Im not saying your entire post was dickish but the parts where u said(got that?) and (got that?) as if he was too stupid to understand absolutely was. What TheNothingComes said was correct you try to do it in a cute way but it dosent mean its not wrong and it certainly does not mean its not dickish. those (got that?)'s were childish and condescending to say the least. They could have easily been avoided....

[Karkarov]

Why is this thread degenerating into an idiotic arguement about nothing? Why 120, simple, at 120 you have enough SL's to have a effective build but you are forced to CHOOSE a build you can not be a "jack of all trades". That way you encourage more variety in builds and get to experience more varied combat. Thats it, that is the only reason people like to pvp at 120. Anyone told you anything else they were either wrong and had no business talking about it or they lied for some reason.

As for why stop leveling other than that? Well.... to borrow the words of another guy I know who plays or used to play DS "Because it is just more fun to play a new characer than a SL 300 one."

[Scarecrow]

Are you trying to convince me you were not being a dick or yourself? Im not saying your entire post was dickish but the parts where u said(got that?) and (got that?) as if he was too stupid to understand absolutely was. What TheNothingComes said was correct you try to do it in a cute way but it dosent mean its not wrong and it certainly does not mean its not dickish. those (got that?)'s were childish and condescending to say the least. They could have easily been avoided....
How is "got that" cute?

He didn't understand it at first so I was reinforcing the statements so that he'd follow them as he read them

[MidiPour]

/Everyone, don't respond to this thread any further, the reasoning behind being SL 120 has been reiterated a number of times, the topic creator should be able to fully comprehend why people stay within that range.

The thread has digressed to personal attacks and should be locked.

[kaijura]

Problem is, even if locked it probably won't solve the feuds. 'Till everyone hugs and makes up.. Chill out and check out some gummi bears (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRTSZZgCUik).

[philtord]

GUMMI BEARS rule, my heart is once again full of love.

[Karkarov]

Problem is, even if locked it probably won't solve the feuds. 'Till everyone hugs and makes up.. Chill out and check out some gummi bears (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRTSZZgCUik).

That show was the bomb when you were a kid ahaha.

[HarbingerOfChaos]

It blows MY mind how many times I've had to explain this...


But there are more of you than me, and I don't feel like it.

[iceclimber]

Huh? what?

[HarbingerOfChaos]

I'd really rather not say, bro.


I think you and allot of other people know my position on all of this mess.

[iceclimber]

I understand. Old scarecrow might not though.

[HarbingerOfChaos]

I don't even get what there arguing about anymore.

[iceclimber]

me niether.

[Celly]

What level do i have to be to one-hit Flamelurker? Thats my goal! :D

[Mattardo]

I am entering this late, I guess - but that is good: I was able to skip the extremely long, angry posts which added absolutely nothing except childish opinions and paranoic delusions that the rest of us care how high someone's post count it. Since this forum is not just for Demon's Souls - post count means nothing: someone could be the worst Demon's Souls player in the entire world, but have 20,000 posts. It doesn't matter one bit.

To the OP:I agree - it sucks.
yes, it's unfortunate that many people remain at SL 120 JUST to PVP - since the game is much, much more than PVPing. It would be different if the PVP in this game was designed well, but it isn't - it's awful. So, with that pointed out (And not many people can legimately disagree with that, no matter how hard they try) - there is more to this game than PVP.

I didn't buy this game to PVP, I'm not interested in JUST PVPing in a game that didn't have PVP as one of it's developmental fortes, and I don't use the story-line as an excuse to make a PVP character = that's ridiculous. I play the game as intended, all facets of it and I enjoy it. I'm much higher than a Soul Level 120, but that's okay. This is not WOW - so focusing on PVP is being narrow-minded.

If a small facet of the community wants to remain at SL 120 and hamper their devlopment as a character because they are scared that their one-shot magic won't work (or whatever else they are using) - that's fine. They are limited, weak and missing out on what this game is about. Not true Demon's Souls players at all.

The true Demon's SOuls begins after lame SL 120.

And just ignore some of these people who attack you with empty rhetoric and then hide behind accusations that you cannot read. We can all read here.

[HarbingerOfChaos]

What soul level are you, bro?

[Mattardo]

What soul level are you, bro?

I'm nowhere near 712 - closer to 200 last time I checked (it's been a week since I've played - can't remember - and I haven't been playing that much lately).
All 3 of my characters are past soul level 120, though - and I didn't dilly-dally around just for pvping. One of the main points of rpg is to gain levels, not cripple them lol.

From what I've been reading - you have left SL 120 far behind, right? Your sig says level 712. :)

[mnsouth]

Just had to comment that things sure are different on the Asian servers, yesterday i had an amazing 4 hours co-op run without even setting it up with the players i know, the longest i had to wait until i got summoned was 2-3 minutes so it was a perfect play session of helping a bunch of strangers, again and again and again, @ SL: 180.

Guess the moral of the story is, pick up the english text asian version and join the fun :) Granted, that´s only happening @ peak hours but another big + is that it´s not just 4-1 getting some co-op joy.

[HarbingerOfChaos]

What soul level are you, bro?

I'm nowhere near 712 - closer to 200 last time I checked (it's been a week since I've played - can't remember - and I haven't been playing that much lately).
All 3 of my characters are past soul level 120, though - and I didn't dilly-dally around just for pvping. One of the main points of rpg is to gain levels, not cripple them lol.

From what I've been reading - you have left SL 120 far behind, right? Your sig says level 712. :)
I have, and I wouldn't go back even for the world.

lol

[etong23]

Since the_nothingcomes gave an excellent refute, I think I might as well address the Northern Regalia, being that it's the weapon I exclusively use. Sure, it isn't a high tier weapon such as the duel-uchis, DBS+5 or Blueblood, but neither is it worthless. The NR is very intuitive when going for a backstab, and in many ways rivals the fatal estoc. I usually end up doing 1300 damage per backstab, and slice >25% of a competitor's HP with each blunt attack. If I run and press R1, I do twice the damage of a regular attack. It's a competent weapon for people willing to master the NR, and it gives a 230+ HP bonus to PvP vitality builds.

I'm NR's fan as well. I have one NR build in USA server and another one NR build in asian server. However, many pvper still believe that NR is for noob.


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PSN : etong23

North American Server Characters:
Royalty – Soul Level 67 NG++
Royalty – Soul Level 120 NG++

Asian Server Characters:
Royalty (NR Built) – Soul Level 120 NG++
Temple Knight (DEX Built) – Soul Level 120 NG++
Temple Knight (STR Built) – Soul Level 120 NG

[etong23]

AFAIK people mostly find NR useless for PvP because its swings are relatively slow (i.e. easy to read and react to) for the amount of damage it does. I've used it extensively for PvE on my melee character and it worked really well for me, except for the fact that I had to keep my character at PB after the Meph quest, which really annoyed the crap out of me, so I gave up on NR so I could move my CT towards white again.

Yes, I agree that NR swing speed make me mad and make me boring when I get loss a lot. Then I decide to try DEX build (with Sharp Uchi+5 one hand and Hitless+5 the other hand), I love it. Until I met the japanese NR master, he show me the very good step using NR and of course backstab damage is very high. Now I come back to my NR build again :tongue:

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PSN : etong23

North American Server Characters:
Royalty – Soul Level 67 NG++
Royalty – Soul Level 120 NG++

Asian Server Characters:
Royalty (NR Built) – Soul Level 120 NG++
Temple Knight (DEX Built) – Soul Level 120 NG++
Temple Knight (STR Built) – Soul Level 120 NG

[xSTERNx]

I am having the same problem at 230 and I am considering makeing a new character I love this game but have not had contact with and blue or red signs and not one black phantom has invaded and i have not been able to invade anyone i think "invasion failed" has burned into my rear projection tv lmao please add me I want to play this game

psn- xSTERNx

[XtremeDeath]

I am having the same problem at 230 and I am considering makeing a new character I love this game but have not had contact with and blue or red signs and not one black phantom has invaded and i have not been able to invade anyone i think "invasion failed" has burned into my rear projection tv lmao please add me I want to play this game

psn- xSTERNx

Strictly want to discuss the above post. I think STERN has a valid issue and one I'm facing. There is a select group of you that will not raise soul level above 130 or don't enjoy playing above that level. Here is my problem with it. You are effectively telling everyone else (or any casual reader) no reason exists to play the game past level 120. How is an individual ( outside of farming ) ever going to play the number of games neccessary to have 99 in every stat alone? By this groups definition, the game is over at SL120. Try playing NG++++ by yourself at soul level 120 - 130. You have to raise your stats -- especially if you want to do any damage.

Anyway, it's your right to do what you will. You can play the game however you like. But, what gave this group the right to say when the game is over for others that would like to progress forward and wear heavy armor, cast magic, and use effective weapons? It would be nice to see some blues at the higher levels.

P.S. If I were the developer of this game, I would end server service as planned. Why? Only a small community is using the service and not playing the game as intended. Playing NG over and over with a new character gets old. I'm finding I can beat NG with very low level characters (True for all bosses except King Allant).

[Thaumogenesis]

I dont think people go and tell everybody "stop at 120". what they do is explain why they stay at 120. Personally i think 120 is way too restrictive :p. Nontheless i made a Dex Char for the level and honestly, with this build there is no reason to go any higher as the Damage Increase is heavily dminishing at 31 Dex already.

On the other hand, if you want a Faithbuild with a Gaxe you will have to go higher. Also mages are not much fun at 120 imho. 150+ id say is when they get interesting.

I do get most action with my 155 and 165 honestly. Pretty much nothing with my 140 and a lot with my 120. Most players do not even know about this forum and dont bother either. I got like 20 people in my flist who have at least slvl 170 with their chars. Maybe i dont get any action at 140 because all those pvpers at 120 are playing in private :p

[XtremeDeath]

Since so few advance, I have to poison Flamelurker. Do you know how long it takes for him to die from poisoning at NG++++? You might as well flip over to sattelite and watch TV. It's what you have to do when there is no help available.

[iceclimber]

Why aren't you meleeing him or at least using the exploit where he gets stuck. With hyper mode this is a quick fight compared to how you are doing it. I used NR to melee him in my 4th game cycle.

[Decaying Corpse]

I am having the same problem at 230 and I am considering makeing a new character I love this game but have not had contact with and blue or red signs and not one black phantom has invaded and i have not been able to invade anyone i think "invasion failed" has burned into my rear projection tv lmao please add me I want to play this game

psn- xSTERNx

Strictly want to discuss the above post. I think STERN has a valid issue and one I'm facing. There is a select group of you that will not raise soul level above 130 or don't enjoy playing above that level. Here is my problem with it. You are effectively telling everyone else (or any casual reader) no reason exists to play the game past level 120. How is an individual ( outside of farming ) ever going to play the number of games neccessary to have 99 in every stat alone? By this groups definition, the game is over at SL120. Try playing NG++++ by yourself at soul level 120 - 130. You have to raise your stats -- especially if you want to do any damage.

Anyway, it's your right to do what you will. You can play the game however you like. But, what gave this group the right to say when the game is over for others that would like to progress forward and wear heavy armor, cast magic, and use effective weapons? It would be nice to see some blues at the higher levels.

P.S. If I were the developer of this game, I would end server service as planned. Why? Only a small community is using the service and not playing the game as intended. Playing NG over and over with a new character gets old. I'm finding I can beat NG with very low level characters (True for all bosses except King Allant).

You sound like a childish bratt! Oh please Mom take the Atari away cause he won't play by my rules.

No one tells you how to play your game!

Please just sell your game and move on! You have your plat for the game so why stick around if no one plays with you?

[Rednusander]

I think it's safe to say this thread has seen its end of days. It looked like it might turn around for a second there, but it's gone right back to flaming and name-callling.

Closing it.