PS3 or Xbox 360 ?

[Neveryll]

Hi all,

I'm usually more of a lurker rather than a poster but I needed some feedback from some longtime next-gen gamers so I thought I would post this here since there are a number of people here I respect.

For the longest time I had wanted a PS3 and after several years of waiting it looks like we may finally be in the position to purchase one. The problem I face now is this… Do I still want a PS3 or would I rather have an Xbox 360? Yah I know that’s a huge change but hear me out.

We currently own many, many PS2 games and because of Sony’s decision to yank backwards compatibility we will probably be looking at buying a new PS2 to replace our failing model. That was one of the reasons we want to get a PS3 originally. Another was because it would give us a cheap option of having a Blue-ray player. But…. Nowadays you can buy some cheap Blue-ray players for around 100-200 dollars if you hit the right sales and we are convinced that DVD playing on our old PS2 may have contributed to its current state. So we have decided from here on our game console is going to be used exclusively for games to help reduce wear and tear.

So basically it comes down to what games do each have and what type of gamers my family is made of. Our two kids are too young for many mature titles and enjoy playing some RPGs and light action games like the lastest Zelda game, various Mario games, and the Legos series on the Wii. We generally curb them from buying anything but quality games. My wife likes to game but isn’t much of a console gamer. She does like puzzle and RPG games and an occasional shooter provided it is not too bloody. She has told me she likes the look of LittleBigPlanet and Flower on the PS3. For myself I am a bit more mixed. I enjoy RPGs, horror, fighting games, FPS and FPSS games, classic shooters, and puzzle games. We have no interest in racing, sports or most music based games. We currently own a Wii, a PS2, and two Nintendo DSs.

As far as the consoles themselves I’ve noticed that the Xbox360 has a horrid record of dying whereas the PS3 seems to do better but still occasionally suffers a failure or two. Software library wise the PS3 seems to be a better fit. I’ve also noticed that the Playstation Network is free whereas the Xbox 360 service requires an annual fee.

I just figured I’d post this here to see what people would have to say if they think I’m on the right track for finding or next next-gen console.

Thanks in advance for the feedback.

[Camanche]

I myself own a PS3 and think it's great. While there's nothing really wrong with a 360, I hear about them dying a lot too, and having to pay for online kind of sucks. And the Blu-Ray player is a nice touch for the PS3. I don't know the difference between the two libraries, but I know some games I personally think will be great are headed for the PS3 exclusively. I have the 80 GB model and use the backward compatibility regularly.

[Vyse of Arcadia]

Half a dozen of one, six of the other. If you judge them by game libraries alone, it really depends on what you want to play. The PS3 had some exclusive games that I wanted, so I went with that. They both have excellent libraries of downloadable games as well.

Other than that, the PS3 hardware is nicer. It's quieter, has a smaller failure rate, and blu-ray.

Also, if you already have a decent gaming PC, the PS3 might be a better choice. A lot of the 360's "exclusives" are also released on the PC.

[SlaughterX]

Sounds like you've already convienced yourself you want a PS3. Have fun not playing ME2... :p

[Neveryll]

I know we were kind of leaning in that direction. I just wanted to hear some of the Xbox pros as well as while I haven't been looking at them as much I figured there might be some really good reasons to get them. en.wikipedia.org has some nice charts on games released and exclusive games but I also like to hear from other gamers on their opinion. I do know no matter what I won't be able to play everything out there unless we own both but I just don't see that happening.

[Terash Cas]

I have a 60GB PS3 which can play PS2 games but my PS2 is still working.

[Kain Mare]

I purchased a 60g PS3. I love playing it for the PS3 games and for the PS2 and PS1 games. I think it is a nicer system than the 360, with less failure rates to boot. I like the selection of PS3 games, and I do enjoy getting a kick out of downloading some of the older titles that I have been searching for via PSN. While my PS3 is a larger model, takes up more energy and heats faster, I love it. PLUS, since it is cold in my room, I can warm my hands. :P Lawls.

The 360 has some nice features... I think the Netflicks thing is pretty cool. And the ability to play with PC players in some games is nifty. But it's not a system I usually recommend unless they are interested in some of the 360 exclusives.

In the end, it comes down to game preference and what you, personally, would like to play. And what your friends are into. That's almost the number one question I get when I go to my part-time game store job.

"What do you think I should get: 360, PS3 or Wii?"

"Well... what do your friends play?"

"[insert name of console friends play]."

"There you go."

[jeffx]

It's simple really.

Do you want to play 3D Dot Game Heroes and Demon's Souls? --> Get a PS3
Do you want to play Raiden 4, Death Smiles and a bunch of average RPGs? --> Get a 360

You should buy a system based on which games you want to PLAY first. Then get the other later.

On a personal note, I feel the PS3 has a brighter future than the 360. If it performs half as well as the PS1 or PS2 in terms of longevity, then it will have succeeded. Not to mention it doubles as a blu-ray player.

[nbinney]

Both.

[SlaughterX]

It's simple really.

Do you want to play 3D Dot Game Heroes and Demon's Souls? --> Get a PS3
Do you want to play Raiden 4, Death Smiles and a bunch of average RPGs? --> Get a 360

You should buy a system based on which games you want to PLAY first. Then get the other later.

On a personal note, I feel the PS3 has a brighter future than the 360. If it performs half as well as the PS1 or PS2 in terms of longevity, then it will have succeeded. Not to mention it doubles as a blu-ray player.

Mass Effect 1 and 2, Tales of Vesperia, Fable II, and Lost Odyseey aren't average...

[Saishu]

I own all three consoles and I spend more time on the 360. I tend to get the 360 version of multi-platform games (Dead Space, Tekken, Call of Duty).

Valkyria Chronicles is the only exclusive PS3 game that I like. For the most part, the PS3 is an excellent Blu-ray player at my house.

[Neveryll]

For those here that play the online versions of some games on both consoles do you notice a big difference in updates and social circles of people in game? I've notice XBox seems to be pretty proactive about banning exploit users if the latest news is any indication.

[nbinney]

For those here that play the online versions of some games on both consoles do you notice a big difference in updates and social circles of people in game? I've notice XBox seems to be pretty proactive about banning exploit users if the latest news is any indication.

Sony has banned PS3 users before too.

[Olethros]

I made my decision based on which one had more games I wanted to play at the time I was ready to purchase one. That was the 360. So far, I've not been disappointed by the choice. I've never once felt like there wasn't something I wanted to play (actually quite a decent backlog). The majority of the time I've had it has been with it offline as well. I only got online with it last fall sometime. I rarely (actually so far never) play multipalyer so I can't answer anything about the communities and whatnot. Overall, though, my entire experience has been a very positive one.

(Note of disclosure: I do intend to own a PS3 at some point in the future but so far there has been no pressing need to possess 2 consoles.)

[Fatney]

Oh man, this other forum I visit has a thread like this every day, it's painful.

My personal opinion is PS3, because lately it's getting more exclusives which are more fun and unique than anything on the 360. I used to be a 360 fanboy until the PS3 actually got games. And my 360 RRoD'd after a year :( I mean, my launch PS2 still works (sort of, slow disc drive and won't read movie DVD's) so this is disappointing. Also I think XLive is pure rip off.

But as many other has said in this thread alreay, the most imporant thing is the games, one has to check what games each system offers and then decide. That matters more than any opinion other people may have.

[Manic Expressive]

The way I saw it was anything I want to play on 360, I can play on my PC. (ME1/2, Tears of War)

Right now is a really good time to get a PS3. I didn't have one for the past 6 months before December. Now there are a lot more games out, exclusives included, PSN has gotten so much bigger with PS1 classics. I really don't see myself catching up to my backlog. ><

[Rednusander]

I'm impressed! This thread has stayed so... civil! The moment it takes a turn the other direction, though, sorry Neveryll, but it'll have to be closed. Very volatile, these threads are. Just a preemptive warning.

[Vyse of Arcadia]

Very volatile, these threads are.

Very easily to the Dark Side, they are turned. (I couldn't resist; I'm so sorry.)

I forgot to mention PS1 classics. They're starting to rerelease very good PS1 games fairly often now. Although I'm still waiting for Suikoden II. If you already have a sizable PS1 catalog, maybe this isn't great, but I highly recommend it if you're interested in playing some PS1 games you missed. It should be noted, though, that they can all be downloaded and played on the PSP, no PS1 required. PSP Remote Play is also a very cool feature that the 360 doesn't have (unless the rumors of an XBoxP are true.)

But again, that all depends on games. If you aren't interested in PS1 games or playing PS3 games on the small screen...

[Hamel]

Very volatile, these threads are.

Very easily to the Dark Side, they are turned. (I couldn't resist; I'm so sorry.)

I forgot to mention PS1 classics. They're starting to rerelease very good PS1 games fairly often now. Although I'm still waiting for Suikoden II. If you already have a sizable PS1 catalog, maybe this isn't great, but I highly recommend it if you're interested in playing some PS1 games you missed. It should be noted, though, that they can all be downloaded and played on the PSP, no PS1 required. PSP Remote Play is also a very cool feature that the 360 doesn't have (unless the rumors of an XBoxP are true.)

But again, that all depends on games. If you aren't interested in PS1 games or playing PS3 games on the small screen...

Remote play could have been better if it alowed phat PSP users (like me) to play games on a TV (and even better-with the PS3 controller)

[Neveryll]

A PSP would be awesome at some point as well but that's way down the road if we get a PS3. Heck it would still probaby be awesome as I do some time on the road in my job and while my DS keeps me entertained a PSP would be a nice addition. I know that the PSP had some hardware cross over with the PS3 but some of that compatibility was taken out in the later models to play through the PS3 correct?

Apart from a shooter or two and something like Demon's Souls I don't forsee me going big on online play. The main reason I asked is I have a friend on a Xbox 360 who described some wierd bugs/exploits on Modern Warfare 2 that he was playing where people were calling special moves every 5-10 seconds that usally require an extended kill streak and also a wierd blip about shooting someone with an odd name and losing a ton of experience. I glad to hear that both companies in the past have not been afraid to use the ban button when needed.

Alright one last question to throw out to everyone here. Seeing as how both consoles have been out for a while which console do you feel it is easier to find some of the older games for a reasonable price the Xbox or the PS3 ? I know this is kind of relevant to what stores and online options you use and the game's popularity but I'd guess some of the earlier games might be a tad hard to find these days. I'll probably check my local Gamestop and one or two other popular game place I got to but figured I'd ask some other game headhunters which one seems easiest to find games for. :D

[Foobar]

I'm leaning to PS3 of late, not that I'm happy with everything Sony does, but to me seeing steady first party content really does mean something, even if I'm not a fan of all of it.

MS is only Halo, Halo, Halo anymore. I never see stuff about MechAssault or Crimsom Skies or anything that really made MS stand out on a first party perspective last time around. You need first party content to show developers the way. If MS just keeps making shooters, well, everyone else is just going to make shooters.

The few exclusive RPGs 360 has just don't blow my mind so much that I must have a 360 for them, I can wait it out and see if they come to PS3. If not, I'll live.

For now, though, I'm putting a Wii at the top of my list. I like the consoles developers aren't afraid to take risks on. And like Dreamcast and PS2 before it, Wii has that quality about it. It gets all the quirky, niche stuff I want.

[SlaughterX]

Alan Wake and Crackdown 2 sez hi. :P

[Fuyukaze]

As a 360 owner, there's not much I feel I'm missing on the PS3. Only problem is what I'm missing, I realy notice. No Demons Souls definitly is noticed. There's not enough RPG or strat games on the PS3 for me to want it but there's plenty of FPS and platformers for others to want it. I'd say which one to go with but instead I wont as I'm certain after a couple days of thought, you'll know which one fits your wants more.

[Tivor]

I got myself a PS3 a couple of months ago, and hardware failure was a big factor in choosing PS3 over Xbox360. I have four close friends who are heavy gamers, and all of their Xbox360 suffered RRoD at least once. In fact, one of my friend just got RRoD a couple of weeks ago, and that was on his new Xbox360 he got as a replacement because his original one failed as well. (fortunately for my friend, in both times his Xbox360 was still under warranty, so he got replacement unit for free by MS)

But an even bigger factor for me was that those friends got themselves PS3 and started playing online on that. Had my friends stuck with Xbox360 and kept playing online there, then I would have gotten Xbox360 myself too, RRoD be damned.

Games-wise, both have exclusives that make me drool, but in the end, I find that PS3 has more exclusives than I have time to play them. So I don't feel too bad about missing out on Xbox360's exclusives. Had I chosen Xbox360, I probably would have felt the same about PS3's exclusives. Still, I must confess that another deciding factor for me was Uncharted 2. I *really* wanted to play that game when I decided to get myself a new console. (and I absolutely loved the game too, so it all worked out. :D)

So yeah, it comes down to these two factors, if you ask me.


1. Do you have personal friends that you want to play online with? If so, what console do they mainly use for online gaming?

2. Is there an exclusive title that you really, REALLY want to play?


If those questions pointed to Xbox360 for me, I would have gotten Xbox360 despite the hardware issues it has.

[SlaughterX]

So, has any recently manufactured 360 (anything made in the past year or two) really had the hardware problems many people are talking about in this thread? I know it's cool to always bring up RROD when people talk about buying a new 360, but you know, that problem hasn't really been an issue since the FALCON chipset, which was released over 2 years ago. I would say that there are jsut as many hardware problems with the PS3 as there are with the 360 at this point, so it's a moot issue.

[Soushi_Grapple]

I originally got a 360 because it was cheaper and I wanted the RPGs on it, but since I got my PS3 Slim my 360 is a pretty paperweight. I love my PS3, I'm just waiting for all the good games.. Star Ocean 4 International, Heavy Rain, FFXIII...

[SlaughterX]

2/3 of those games are on the 360, one of which you could have been playing over a year ago if you were really interested, but ok.

[Manic Expressive]

The word exclusive is now meaningless unless first party is involved.

I sure can't wait for Splinter Cell: Conviction: Solid Snake Edition on PS3.

[Ryo_Suzuki]

2. Is there an exclusive title that you really, REALLY want to play?
This pretty much sums it up. As a PSWii60 owner, the PS3 exclusives just interest me more. Thus, I prefer the PS3. :)

[ferut2]

i have both but i prefer my xbox360,
FFXIII
Tales of vespercia
Resonance of fate and more.
Xbox 360 have the same games and more.
Persona 5---- Xbox 360.

[Kakizaki]

that problem hasn't really been an issue since the FALCON chipset,Not true at all. At all. The percentage of failures went down -- possibly just slightly. A coworker's 360 with the Falcon suffered RROD just two weeks after purchase and I had several other friends with RROD on Falcons. I know I brought that up here before. I know you are a diehard MS supporter, and that is fine, but you really let your bias blind you. But I guess you could say that about a ton of people here on both sides of the argument.

On the Jasper (?) chipsets, now that is another story. I personally haven't heard of anyone having a problem.

Personally I have been playing my 360 a lot more than my PS3 right now. I am totally having a blast. However, there are a lot more upcoming must have exclusives for me on the PS3 such as Yakuza.

That being said, despite some really solid and enjoyable efforts like Fallout 3, Mass Effect, and Valkyria Chronicles*, I have been supremely underwhelmed by most of the "big" rpgs on the current gen consoles. Although I have yet to try Dragon Age, and I need to put more time into Last Remnant.

*these three almost make up for the problem though...almost.

[Neveryll]

My friend's son has had the RROD twice on his 360 and my friend got his replaced once for a hardware issue related to his sound. Beyond that I can't think of any other Xbox gamers in my circle of friends. So far I don't personally know anyone with hardware failure on their PS3 and I know of four who own them.

The sad thing is that I know people on both sides of the fence that would love to see me join their online group for FPS play but I can only choose one. Sigh...

Well I just wanted to thank everyone for their input on such. Once tax returns comes I'll let you know our decision for those who are curious. My friend offered to have us come over and try out his Xbox as a way to convince me to get one. I'll probably give it a try and see what I think of it but my guess is it will come down to the games as most have suggested.

Thank You! again all for their input on such. :)

[Neveryll]

Although I have yet to try Dragon Age


While I don't own it yet personally my friend who is a long time pen and paper RPG player and electronic RPG player swears its one of the best RPGs made to date. I'm not sure your opinion of the Daggerfall series from Betheseda but its just as revolutionary as that one was for its time. I've heard him and his son both took very different routes in their interactions and have had some different arcs and characters join their main character as a result. Its one of the few games I'm eager to play apart from Demons Soul's.

[Fatney]

I don't really agree that Dragon Age is revolutionary, but the dialog is handled very well.

[Camanche]

I can think of at least 4 people off the top of my head who have had a 360 and had to get it replaced.

[Soushi_Grapple]

Does it have to do with the model of the 360? I got an Arcade bundle a year ago and it had a red ring once when the power blipped (which I assume is normal lol), but it fixed itself when I turned it back on and I haven't had a single problem. ^^;

[Tivor]

So, has any recently manufactured 360 (anything made in the past year or two) really had the hardware problems many people are talking about in this thread?

As I wrote in my earlier post, my friend's 360 (which he got as a replacement unit from MS because his first 360 RRoD'd) went belly up again after roughly 10 months of use.

I don't know what chipset his 360 has, but yeah, a recently-made 360 can have hardware problems too.

[SlaughterX]

And how do you know it was a brand new console and not a refurbished older model? They usually don't send people brand new replacement consoles, so if you don't know the chipset it used you probably shouldn't comment on it.

Anyway, like I said, the later model 360s are very unlikely to break. Your odds are probably just as good that you can have a PS3 break on you. Either way Microsoft's warranty is for 3 years, Sony's is only 1, so that's something else you should consider.

[Terash Cas]

And how do you know it was a brand new console and not a refurbished older model? They usually don't send people brand new replacement consoles, so if you don't know the chipset it used you probably shouldn't comment on it.

Anyway, like I said, the later model 360s are very unlikely to break. Your odds are probably just as good that you can have a PS3 break on you. Either way Microsoft's warranty is for 3 years, Sony's is only 1, so that's something else you should consider.

XBoX 360 warranty is 1 year, 3 if it gets RROD.

[littlefuzzy1]

I'm speaking as a PS2 and PS3 owner, I didn't get my original XBox until a year ago. I DO want to get a 360 one of these days, and I have a couple of games for it.

In my opinion only:
PS3 < = 360
trophies weren't built-in => Every game has them
free PSN <= pay for Live (you can use a free silver account for some things)on the 360 side
Blu <= regular DVD
less breakage <= RROD (although, some of the 60g PS3s have been having a yellow light of death, as well as Blu-Ray drive failures, etc.)
PS3 games <= 360 games (Ratchet & Clank, Demon's Souls, Valkyria Chronicles) - I know there are some 360 games I want, like Fable II, Blue Dragon, etc. (I don't know all the 360 exclusives)
almost full backwards PS1/PS2 compatibility (60g) <= A lot of games aren't B/C yet
NO PS2 B/C if it isn't a 60gig => B/C on most of the popular X-Box games

[Kakizaki]

And how do you know it was a brand new console and not a refurbished older model? They usually don't send people brand new replacement consoles, so if you don't know the chipset it used you probably shouldn't comment on it.

Anyway, like I said, the later model 360s are very unlikely to break. Your odds are probably just as good that you can have a PS3 break on you. Either way Microsoft's warranty is for 3 years, Sony's is only 1, so that's something else you should consider.

Give people some credit. You can look for several indicators on a replacement / refurb - two of them being the power information and the serial number / sku. We were easily able to tell when a friend received a Jasper unit as a replacement - his third 360 btw.

I'm trying hard not to say more but you should probably refrain from telling people not to comment for lack of info and then making baseless assumptions of your own.

The Falcon chipsets were faulty. Sorry Slaughter but you are in heavy denial mode. At least the jury is still out on the new Jasper chipsets. So in that respect, the newest 360s may be significantly safer in regards to RROD. Please stop stating there hasn't been a problem for years when there clearly has been. The failure percentages may have come down, but they were still very high.

Yes, MS does have a 3 year warranty but that was necessitated out of customers having RROD on 2,3,4 and even five 360s. On the flipside, I have heard of people's refurbished PS3s breaking again after 6 months, but the problem is yet of the same scale of older 360s.

[SlaughterX]

Ok so you expect me to give him credit for thinking it's a new console when he doesn't even know which chipset it is? O K.

[EvilHero]

While I own both consoles, I heavily favor the Xbox 360.

It's a pretty touchy argument for me, the PS3 is definitely the more powerful, reliable system, but I get really irritated when someone bashes the 360. Irritated to the point where i'd hate on the triple when it didn't really deserve it.

The biggest differentiatora for me is the fact I have not had a single problem with my first 360. I only know one other person who had it red ring on them once. I'm sure i'd be in a different boat if this weren't true.

The two only reasons why I prefer the 360 are: 1. The 360 has more games I like, RPGs mostly (even the sub par ones.) 2. I prefer XBL over PSN.

If the PS3 would only get some more RPGs, it would be so much better for me. If I were more of an action/platformer fan, I would probably prefer the PS3.

The XBL vs. PSN argument remains eternal. Personally, I really don't care about paying for XBL (what is it? like, 5 bucks a month?) Once again, its a personal thing, the majority of my friends use XBL and I find the interface more intuitive so it's easier to see what my friends having been playing, chatting with them, etc. For some reason, I just really don't care for the PS3's layout. Not to mention (again, personal thing) I find that my online matches run smoother on XBL than on PSN.

Most games I like are exclusive to 360, if a game goes cross platform, it's usually multiplayer and that ends up being on my 360 because of XBL. I was looking forward to Bayonetta because it was a single player game on both platforms, but because of the issues it has on the PS3, i'm getting it on the 360. Final Fantasy XIII will probably be my next PS3 purchase.

My favoritism for the 360 could easily shift over as games come out, but at this point, it's unlikely. When both consoles came out, I didn't care for any of them (I actually initially hated the 360 for no reason, mostly because I was a PS2 fanboy.) This console generation for me is like the opposite of the last one. PS2 having all the good games and the Xbox having very little to offer.

[Tivor]

And how do you know it was a brand new console and not a refurbished older model? They usually don't send people brand new replacement consoles, so if you don't know the chipset it used you probably shouldn't comment on it.

For the sake of the argument, let's just say that my friends indeed received refurb units instead of new units. Sure, why not.

In that case, I say that if Microsoft wanted to leave impression to their customers that their product has gotten more stable, they shouldn't be sending out refurb units with chipsets that are known to be failure-prone. If my friends' replacement 360s are failing because they received refurb units, then that's Microsoft's own fault.

By the way, I found out today that my other friend's 360 (that's his second 360 as well, received as a warranty replacement) is acting iffy as well.

So yeah, while you can keep insisting that my friends' 360 hardware problems somehow don't count, I can't help but get the impression that hardware issues are an unfortunate part of a 360 owner's life.



By the way, I should re-iterate my position that, if my friends played online primarily on 360, and if I found a 360 exclusive title irresistibly tempting, I would have gotten 360 regardless of any potential hardware issues. In the end, it's all about having fun with games and with my friends.

[SlaughterX]

I never said your friend's hardware problems don't count, I don't know how you got that out of any of my posts. I said that anyone buying a brand new Xbox 360 these days have really little to worry about as far as hardware issues are concerned, that the 360 is just as stable as the PS3 (which also break, by the way, I've had two different consoles mess up myself), and that even if your 360 breaks from one of the two most common problems (RROD or E74), you are covered for 3 years, so it's really isn't as big of an issue as you or many other people (that usually don't even own a 360) make it out to be.

[Crabman]

I have them both, and it's a pretty even split for me. They each have their own great exculsives (now even more so with the PS3), so I think it should really come down to what games/series you have more stock in.

I personally find that 360 games go cheaper MUCH faster than PS3 games, though on the flip side if you want a comparable hardware experience (wireless internet, rechargable batteries), be ready to fork out some change.

My PS3 used to be really quiet, though when playing some games (NHL 09, MW2) I find it get pretty loud, though nowhere near as loud as my 360!

[Kakizaki]

I never said your friend's hardware problems don't count, I don't know how you got that out of any of my posts. I said that anyone buying a brand new Xbox 360 these days have really little to worry about as far as hardware issues are concerned, that the 360 is just as stable as the PS3 (which also break, by the way, I've had two different consoles mess up myself), and that even if your 360 breaks from one of the two most common problems (RROD or E74), you are covered for 3 years, so it's really isn't as big of an issue as you or many other people (that usually don't even own a 360) make it out to be.

You didn't initially narrow it down to the very newest 360 units. You implied RROD hadn't been an issue since the Falcon chipset - which is incorrect.

I'm still not sure how you are comparing the failure rates of both the PS3 and 360. I think you are skewing things a tad. I get annoyed when people bash the 360's library of games and cite it as a reason to not purchase the system, but I do not think their fears of the 360's reliability are unwarranted. People probably do exaggerate their fears regarding 360 failure a bit before they own one personally. I buy that, but so what? You extolled the virtues of owning one far before you actually owned a 360. I remember everybody here being quite surprised to find out you didn't have one when you posted your 360 purchase in the monthly spoils thread. Should your enthusiasm have been any less appreciated or regarded?

You also seem to have a limitless source of income based on your monthly spoils. There is definitely nothing wrong with that by any means (I'm genuinely jealous), but I do have to wonder if that figures into your mindset a little.

3 year warranty it nice, but as I have maintained, it was necessitated out of faulty hardware and a lack of any true resolve to the situation (like a real hardware fix).