I've begun cheating at Demon's Souls

[janiefoxkills]

Hello all,

I don't know whether to blame myself or the d**k swinging nature of most idiot males who play this game but sometimes you just want to be left alone. But lets not go off on a vicious rant quite so quickly though, please bear with me...

I've fought alot of Black Phantoms, I've even killed a good number of them, and I've died by the hands of many of them as well. When I'm quietly and calmly farming Sharpstone Chunks in 2-1, it's simply too much these days to ask to just be left alone. Some idiot phantom MUST invade my world so he can try his luck; and when he environment dies, and I'm left alone by the edge of a red rock cliff, laughing like a bastard, it is still too much to ask to not have yet another Black Phantom invade and backstab me off said cliff. Weak.

So, as I've said before, I've begun cheating. In soul form, if I'm not up to dealing with one of you idiots I simply environment die and soul sign again back in my own world. I do this especially when I'm carrying a large amount of souls and don't feel like risking a significant chunk of them for anyone.

In body form, and this is where I REALLY become cheap, I simply reset the console. As soon as a BP enters, I disconnect. Yep, I said it. So if you were one of those guys who invaded someone's world and curiously got kicked an instant after you touched down, there is a distinct possibility that I jooed you out of a possible death-kill.

At this point, I am simply too tired of you bastards. I have owned this game for three weeks now and in all that time, I've not spawned as a BP once. That's right, ZERO. I stole the Old Monks hat from someone, THATS WHY I'M WEARING IT!!!

Why? Am I a cowardly loser afraid to risk it all for the glory? Maybe... maybe not. Is it in the female nature to simply avoid the aforementioned c**k swing of PvP combat? Perhaps. Maybe, I just have better things to do... like improve myself.

But then you should ask, why don't I just play offline? Welp, the simple and straigh-forward answer is because I need the help of Blue Phantoms to complete some of these stages. I don't NEED it, but it makes the game a lot more comfortable for me, and why not have some insurance? Plus, I like my body. Can I have it(?), without risking some simple overpowered brute p.o.s. invading mid soul farm and wrecking my life? I guess I can! THANK YOU.

- Janie <3

P.S.

So, until there are real and very serious consequences for invading as a Black Phantom, (as there are for dying at the hands of one) I will continue, and urge the rest of you to continue to cheat at this game. If you die as a Black Phantom I suggest you lose at the very least one soul level. Something needs to give here, in order to set the keel right again. There are simply too many of you jackholes out there with nothing better to do.

THIS is no longer a free ride.

- J

[Gen Eric Gui]

...

If you don't want to deal with PB's in body form...why don't you just play offline instead of sitting there basically offering yourself on a platter? The only reaosn to even be PLAYING online is if you plan to deal with PvP or if you want to see other people playing/see bloodstains. Instead of being a jerk and sitting there resetting your game every single time somebody invades, just log out of PSN and play offline to do your grinding.

This is not a difficult concept.

[joest01]

I'm curious, what are the serious consequences you face when you are invaded?

I get the souls from your blues, but only the body from you.

Or is that what you mean? You lose your body? Is that the serious consequence?

Not saying it's not, it just never struck me as all that serious...

[Syra]

If a BP dies to the environment, they DO lose a soul level. If they die to you, they relinquish their souls to your now larger pool instead. The latter can be avoided, but I know I'm not alone in basically giving people a lot of souls when I didn't want to use them, and outlevel a friend. >.>

I wont deny that sometimes it gets tedious with all the BP invasions when I just want to trade with a friend, or something. However, if you're just farming, what's the point of body form? You don't need phantoms to farm, and if you had phantoms...why would you be concerned about a BP? Having been a BP fighting a host, and two phantoms, at the spawn point with no shot at sneaking up, I'll tell you, they don't even have to be good, the BP will be at a massive disadvantage.

If you're just farming though, wouldn't playing offline, or in soul form be more beneficial? I find Blue's to be more of a nuisance while farming, especially the ones which run off on their own instead of staying with the team.

Granted, I don't really care about disconnecting upon BP spawn all that much. It's doing it during the fight that grinds my gears. Now, your obvious stereotyping of gender does seem a bit much, but at the same time, this game does seem to have a very large curve towards males, so it's probably not entirely unfounded.

Mostly, I just think it's unfair to create your own reason for PVP combat, and apply that label to everyone. Not all of us invade simply to prove something. I do it for a change of pace, to encounter a different element of the game not replicated in PVE. I like sneaking up on people, I like the risk, and challenge of it. Plus, I get my body back, which I need to co-op with friends sometimes, and I don't always want to use an Ephemeral. So, personally, I'd rather not be made into an egotist simply because I like doing something different. =X

[Dominions]

Why would you put yourself through all the frustration involved with the ass-backwards way you're dealing with the game?

You can't be invaded in areas you've already cleared. It never ever happens to me. If you HAVE to farm an area in human form, do yourself a favor and take down the boss first. There are bosses to spare: you can get full access to an area from major demons and leave the archdemon for finishing the the pure black -> pure white bounce.

If you absolutely have to get help with the boss and don't want to deal with an invader, ninja through the area using soul form and pop back into body form in front of the boss gate using an item. Phantoms often leave soul signs in front of the fog.

The result: barely any frustrating invasions, and you don't have to get up and unplug the PS3 and reload your game randomly all day.

[jsbradley7]

I get the souls from your blues, but only the body from you.

Are you invading after you have deposited your souls in the Nexus? I ask this as I have formed a theory that only BPs that risk their souls can collect the invaded's souls. There have been times I've been invaded, lost and the BP has taken my souls while other times my blood stain is there for me to reclaim my souls.

[RedRocket]

Hello all,

I don't know whether to blame myself or the d**k swinging nature of most idiot males who play this game but sometimes you just want to be left alone. But lets not go off on a vicious rant quite so quickly though, please bear with me...

I've fought alot of Black Phantoms, I've even killed a good number of them, and I've died by the hands of many of them as well. When I'm quietly and calmly farming Sharpstone Chunks in 2-1, it's simply too much these days to ask to just be left alone. Some idiot phantom MUST invade my world so he can try his luck; and when he environment dies, and I'm left alone by the edge of a red rock cliff, laughing like a bastard, it is still too much to ask to not have yet another Black Phantom invade and backstab me off said cliff. Weak.

So, as I've said before, I've begun cheating. In soul form, if I'm not up to dealing with one of you idiots I simply environment die and soul sign again back in my own world. I do this especially when I'm carrying a large amount of souls and don't feel like risking a significant chunk of them for anyone.

In body form, and this is where I REALLY become cheap, I simply reset the console. As soon as a BP enters, I disconnect. Yep, I said it. So if you were one of those guys who invaded someone's world and curiously got kicked an instant after you touched down, there is a distinct possibility that I jooed you out of a possible death-kill.

At this point, I am simply too tired of you bastards. I have owned this game for three weeks now and in all that time, I've not spawned as a BP once. That's right, ZERO. I stole the Old Monks hat from someone, THATS WHY I'M WEARING IT!!!

Why? Am I a cowardly loser afraid to risk it all for the glory? Maybe... maybe not. Is it in the female nature to simply avoid the aforementioned c**k swing of PvP combat? Perhaps. Maybe, I just have better things to do... like improve myself.

But then you should ask, why don't I just play offline? Welp, the simple and straigh-forward answer is because I need the help of Blue Phantoms to complete some of these stages. I don't NEED it, but it makes the game a lot more comfortable for me, and why not have some insurance? Plus, I like my body. Can I have it(?), without risking some simple overpowered brute p.o.s. invading mid soul farm and wrecking my life? I guess I can! THANK YOU.

- Janie <3

P.S.

So, until there are real and very serious consequences for invading as a Black Phantom, (as there are for dying at the hands of one) I will continue, and urge the rest of you to continue to cheat at this game. If you die as a Black Phantom I suggest you lose at the very least one soul level. Something needs to give here, in order to set the keel right again. There are simply too many of you jackholes out there with nothing better to do.

THIS is no longer a free ride.

- J

:lol:

At least you pull the plug immediately instead of fighting to within an inch of your life then pulling the plug like the real douches.

I'm like Switzerland on this.

[joest01]

I get the souls from your blues, but only the body from you.

Are you invading after you have deposited your souls in the Nexus? I ask this as I have formed a theory that only BPs that risk their souls can collect the invaded's souls. There have been times I've been invaded, lost and the BP has taken my souls while other times my blood stain is there for me to reclaim my souls.

I have done both and I have not paid sufficient attention ...

I do know that soul farming the 4-2 reaper is easily outperformed by soul farming BP's in 4-1. And I am not really even that good at pvp. Thats how I know that I usually find my blood stain if I do lose a battle ...

But I shall test that theory as the implications are serious :)

[Demondays]

Hello all,

I don't know whether to blame myself or the d**k swinging nature of most idiot males who play this game but sometimes you just want to be left alone. But lets not go off on a vicious rant quite so quickly though, please bear with me...

I've fought alot of Black Phantoms, I've even killed a good number of them, and I've died by the hands of many of them as well. When I'm quietly and calmly farming Sharpstone Chunks in 2-1, it's simply too much these days to ask to just be left alone. Some idiot phantom MUST invade my world so he can try his luck; and when he environment dies, and I'm left alone by the edge of a red rock cliff, laughing like a bastard, it is still too much to ask to not have yet another Black Phantom invade and backstab me off said cliff. Weak.

So, as I've said before, I've begun cheating. In soul form, if I'm not up to dealing with one of you idiots I simply environment die and soul sign again back in my own world. I do this especially when I'm carrying a large amount of souls and don't feel like risking a significant chunk of them for anyone.

In body form, and this is where I REALLY become cheap, I simply reset the console. As soon as a BP enters, I disconnect. Yep, I said it. So if you were one of those guys who invaded someone's world and curiously got kicked an instant after you touched down, there is a distinct possibility that I jooed you out of a possible death-kill.

At this point, I am simply too tired of you bastards. I have owned this game for three weeks now and in all that time, I've not spawned as a BP once. That's right, ZERO. I stole the Old Monks hat from someone, THATS WHY I'M WEARING IT!!!

Why? Am I a cowardly loser afraid to risk it all for the glory? Maybe... maybe not. Is it in the female nature to simply avoid the aforementioned c**k swing of PvP combat? Perhaps. Maybe, I just have better things to do... like improve myself.

But then you should ask, why don't I just play offline? Welp, the simple and straigh-forward answer is because I need the help of Blue Phantoms to complete some of these stages. I don't NEED it, but it makes the game a lot more comfortable for me, and why not have some insurance? Plus, I like my body. Can I have it(?), without risking some simple overpowered brute p.o.s. invading mid soul farm and wrecking my life? I guess I can! THANK YOU.

- Janie <3

P.S.

So, until there are real and very serious consequences for invading as a Black Phantom, (as there are for dying at the hands of one) I will continue, and urge the rest of you to continue to cheat at this game. If you die as a Black Phantom I suggest you lose at the very least one soul level. Something needs to give here, in order to set the keel right again. There are simply too many of you jackholes out there with nothing better to do.

THIS is no longer a free ride.

- J

You shouldnt kill yourself when a BP invades, you should fight.

Fare enough, you might lose alot of souls and your body form but for what you lose, you gain experience at fighting other players.

Getting invaded by bp's is one of the best things in this game - slip on your thiefs ring and gravesrobbers ring and they wont see you untill its too late :D

[Fatney]

Funny enough, I think I've never been invaded, even though it would've been fun. Only when in Blue Phantom mode in another player's world, and that doesn't count.

[monster528]

i agree, BPs need to lose a soul level or something so they dont spam all the damn time.

right now they will lose a soul level ONLY if they exit using a white soul stone.

they also lose souls if they die, but they always spend all of the souls before they invade

[Dominions]

I get the souls from your blues, but only the body from you.

Are you invading after you have deposited your souls in the Nexus? I ask this as I have formed a theory that only BPs that risk their souls can collect the invaded's souls. There have been times I've been invaded, lost and the BP has taken my souls while other times my blood stain is there for me to reclaim my souls.

I have done both and I have not paid sufficient attention ...

I do know that soul farming the 4-2 reaper is easily outperformed by soul farming BP's in 4-1. And I am not really even that good at pvp. Thats how I know that I usually find my blood stain if I do lose a battle ...

But I shall test that theory as the implications are serious :)

You only lose souls to an invader if you're a phantom... the host dies and leaves his souls at the blood stain like normal.

Blue Phantom is otherwise the safest way to gain souls, besides the danger of being killed by a Black Phantom nothing else can cause you to lose or even temporarily drop souls. If you die to enemies or environment hazards everything you collected along the way is yours to keep. I made a boatload in 4-2 like that before I could get ANYWHERE on that map for myself.

If you die and leave a bloodstain with souls on it, you can go help someone else without risking anything to an invader, and then come back to pick up your previous stash. Suicide and repeat for pure profit.

I'm hugely pissed that someone who uses the term "jew" in a rant is lording her self-improvement over the bunch of us cock-swinging PvP junkies. That's actually why I'm posting in this thread, but I don't just want to reply in kind.

[Sferzar]

Like everyone has said, farming in Human Form is totally unnecessary and you are basically opening yourself up for invasion. Farm in Soul Form. Oh, and Black phantoms only get souls from the Blue Phantoms, not the host. All they gain from the host is a body.

Also, someone seriously needs to make an "official" Black Phantom rant thread. Do we seriously need people ranting and blowing off steam on and on, thread after thread? There you guys will have a place to rant and complain until you are red in the face.

[Obsidian]

Quite frankly, what's wrong with your post is the stereotyping sexism that YOU displayed.

My wife plays the game, and whereas she DOES NOT invade other people's games, she will take on the BPs just fine. Oh sure, she freaks out, yells a lot when it happens, but if she's in body form she is always summoning Blues to help her along the way. Farming is done offline.

The brilliance of this game is that you get to decide how you play it, and you really can adapt the game to your playstyle.

Honestly, by disconnecting, you're just griefing the other players, not cheating.

[Hexpane]

Hello all,

I don't know whether to blame myself or the d**k swinging nature of most idiot males who play this game but sometimes you just want to be left alone. But lets not go off on a vicious rant quite so quickly though, please bear with me...

I've fought alot of Black Phantoms, I've even killed a good number of them, and I've died by the hands of many of them as well. When I'm quietly and calmly farming Sharpstone Chunks in 2-1, it's simply too much these days to ask to just be left alone. Some idiot phantom MUST invade my world so he can try his luck; and when he environment dies, and I'm left alone by the edge of a red rock cliff, laughing like a bastard, it is still too much to ask to not have yet another Black Phantom invade and backstab me off said cliff. Weak.

So, as I've said before, I've begun cheating. In soul form, if I'm not up to dealing with one of you idiots I simply environment die and soul sign again back in my own world. I do this especially when I'm carrying a large amount of souls and don't feel like risking a significant chunk of them for anyone.

In body form, and this is where I REALLY become cheap, I simply reset the console. As soon as a BP enters, I disconnect. Yep, I said it. So if you were one of those guys who invaded someone's world and curiously got kicked an instant after you touched down, there is a distinct possibility that I jooed you out of a possible death-kill.

At this point, I am simply too tired of you bastards. I have owned this game for three weeks now and in all that time, I've not spawned as a BP once. That's right, ZERO. I stole the Old Monks hat from someone, THATS WHY I'M WEARING IT!!!

Why? Am I a cowardly loser afraid to risk it all for the glory? Maybe... maybe not. Is it in the female nature to simply avoid the aforementioned c**k swing of PvP combat? Perhaps. Maybe, I just have better things to do... like improve myself.

But then you should ask, why don't I just play offline? Welp, the simple and straigh-forward answer is because I need the help of Blue Phantoms to complete some of these stages. I don't NEED it, but it makes the game a lot more comfortable for me, and why not have some insurance? Plus, I like my body. Can I have it(?), without risking some simple overpowered brute p.o.s. invading mid soul farm and wrecking my life? I guess I can! THANK YOU.

- Janie <3

P.S.

So, until there are real and very serious consequences for invading as a Black Phantom, (as there are for dying at the hands of one) I will continue, and urge the rest of you to continue to cheat at this game. If you die as a Black Phantom I suggest you lose at the very least one soul level. Something needs to give here, in order to set the keel right again. There are simply too many of you jackholes out there with nothing better to do.

THIS is no longer a free ride.

- J

That phrase is incredibly racist btw, you spelled it incorrectly so I'm not sure if that was intentional or not, either way it's a very racist phrase to use.

As to being invaded, go into offline mode and you won't have to worry about it. Yes BP invade spam is highly annoying during a pharm.

[Leventa]

lol, typical "Gamer Girl" trash. I have no problem with women playing games. What I do have a problem with is this kind of crap. Get over yourself lady and just play offline like the ovary endowed coward you are.

Good day.

[Pathard]

Quite frankly, what's wrong with your post is the stereotyping sexism that YOU displayed.

My wife plays the game, and whereas she DOES NOT invade other people's games, she will take on the BPs just fine. Oh sure, she freaks out, yells a lot when it happens, but if she's in body form she is always summoning Blues to help her along the way. Farming is done offline.

The brilliance of this game is that you get to decide how you play it, and you really can adapt the game to your playstyle.

Honestly, by disconnecting, you're just griefing the other players, not cheating.
My friends girlfriend is like this. It's hilarious.

Anyways, srs? Farm in soul form or offline. Personally, when I invade people it's to help them.. or I don't want to waste a stone of whateverthenameis.

[Obsidian]

I need a friend to play with currently. Just starting 3-1 and I'm at 122

[Arkhaine]

:bs:Hello all,

I don't know whether to blame myself or the d**k swinging nature of most idiot males who play this game but sometimes you just want to be left alone. But lets not go off on a vicious rant quite so quickly though, please bear with me...

I've fought alot of Black Phantoms, I've even killed a good number of them, and I've died by the hands of many of them as well. When I'm quietly and calmly farming Sharpstone Chunks in 2-1, it's simply too much these days to ask to just be left alone. Some idiot phantom MUST invade my world so he can try his luck; and when he environment dies, and I'm left alone by the edge of a red rock cliff, laughing like a bastard, it is still too much to ask to not have yet another Black Phantom invade and backstab me off said cliff. Weak.

So, as I've said before, I've begun cheating. In soul form, if I'm not up to dealing with one of you idiots I simply environment die and soul sign again back in my own world. I do this especially when I'm carrying a large amount of souls and don't feel like risking a significant chunk of them for anyone.

In body form, and this is where I REALLY become cheap, I simply reset the console. As soon as a BP enters, I disconnect. Yep, I said it. So if you were one of those guys who invaded someone's world and curiously got kicked an instant after you touched down, there is a distinct possibility that I jooed you out of a possible death-kill.

At this point, I am simply too tired of you bastards. I have owned this game for three weeks now and in all that time, I've not spawned as a BP once. That's right, ZERO. I stole the Old Monks hat from someone, THATS WHY I'M WEARING IT!!!

Why? Am I a cowardly loser afraid to risk it all for the glory? Maybe... maybe not. Is it in the female nature to simply avoid the aforementioned c**k swing of PvP combat? Perhaps. Maybe, I just have better things to do... like improve myself.

But then you should ask, why don't I just play offline? Welp, the simple and straigh-forward answer is because I need the help of Blue Phantoms to complete some of these stages. I don't NEED it, but it makes the game a lot more comfortable for me, and why not have some insurance? Plus, I like my body. Can I have it(?), without risking some simple overpowered brute p.o.s. invading mid soul farm and wrecking my life? I guess I can! THANK YOU.

- Janie <3

P.S.

So, until there are real and very serious consequences for invading as a Black Phantom, (as there are for dying at the hands of one) I will continue, and urge the rest of you to continue to cheat at this game. If you die as a Black Phantom I suggest you lose at the very least one soul level. Something needs to give here, in order to set the keel right again. There are simply too many of you jackholes out there with nothing better to do.

THIS is no longer a free ride.

- J:bs:

You are one of the people that everyone hates playing this game. If you can't deal with getting invaded !!DO NOT PLAY ON-LINE!! It does not matter if you haven't invaded other people's worlds, maybe your just to scared to. But you getting invaded has nothing to d**k swinging males (there are other females that play that invade as well) just deal with the invasions, play off-line, or don't play at all. Stop complaining and deal with it.

P.S. it will be funny when you corrupt your save data by trying to avoid a death by resetting

[Manly Biceps]

I'm like Switzerland on this.

What makes a man's heart turn neutral?

[janiefoxkills]

Hi,

I'm jooish, i can say it.

- Janie

[buttfedora]

I laughed more at the responses than with the original post. Ill raid sometimes for the body, or other times just to help people out. If people dc when I invade, I dont care. More power to them, and quite frankly it's way better than dcing when you're about to get killed. I like the male epeen stuff. That **** made me laugh.

[RedRocket]

I'm like Switzerland on this.

What makes a man's heart turn neutral?

hehe, have you seen some of those female royals?

:D

[GuyIncognito]

I play mostly in soul form and I invaded few times...I tried to be a good bp but I got killed. :) But when I encountered a powerful opponent it taught me where I need to improve my character or my game. For example, I need to improve my weapons, by farming... (I only have one +5 special weapon...the sticky composite long bow)

[Luminous_Reaver]

Pity the fool who doesn't farm in soul form.

Reincarnate only when you intend to play seriously.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5739/mrti.jpg

[Hexpane]

Considering you can get killed in 1-3 hits, anyone fast enough to DC before the final blow should be fast enough to be good at PVP.

So much cheese in PVP it's not worth it IMO

[Jerry-Boyle]

Nice bitch move, why did you inform us of this? To declare yourself the bitch of Demon's Souls?

I don't agree with your methods and hope that Atlus will ban your ass from doing this. It just irritating. While your in your body form, other people are trying to get to theres. You refuse to give them that chance by being a bitch and pussing out. Just use stones to resurrect to your body or beat bosses like rational people do. If a BP inavdes you so? You have the advantage, they have half their hp so if you suck so badly to die from them. Too bad for you and just move on instead of avoiding the games elements.

[Obsidian]

Pity the fool who doesn't farm in soul form.

Reincarnate only when you intend to play seriously.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5739/mrti.jpg

roflcopter.

[Hexpane]

What's with all the hate and negativity? No need for that

[janiefoxkills]

Hi all,

Hahaha, I'm glad I've finally posted something people care to respond to, hahaha. Thanks for the reccomendation; farming in soul form, good idea. Still doesn't take care of the constant invasions during regular game play, especially in 4-x but who can have cake(?), (no one). I love where this thread is going.

Thanks,

- Janie <3

[kane3977]

Play offline, in soul form, or suck it up. Another option is to actually beat the level. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can be invaded on a given level once you've actually beaten that level.

I don't bother invading anymore. Too many losers that disconnect right before/after being killed. I do like to sit around and wait to be invaded for some 1 on 1 fights but that seems to be really hit or miss. Sometimes, it can be 4 or 5 BPs in a row, other times I can wait forever and zero invaders. Usually fun though I've only run into a small handful of BPs that were worth a crap.

[HijiriOni]

I just don the thiefs ring and graverobbers ring... best case scenarios they never find my ninja self, or they don't see me smashing them with a meat cleaver and enjoying the declicious chunks of souls they give me...mmm delicious.

Or rush to the boss room, and if you aren't interested in killing the boss cast evacuate, or load your game.

Lastly I tend to play with specific friends now, who are all rather competent pvp'ers and use different skills then I use so we end up complimenting each other alot...netting even more declicious soul chunks.

RUN My precious chunks of XP

...and your right Kane, boss of area dead=no invasion and no blue phantom helpers.

[Dominions]

I was farming 2-2 without having taken care of Flamelurker because he's a bastard. Actually I though I had an awesome route, starting in 2-1, upgrade stuff with Ed, go up Ed's elevator and kill all the flaming claymore guys (for Chunks of Hardstone) and then run along to kill Rock Worms in 2-2 for Greystones to pump up my comically oversized PvP axe.

Then some dude invaded me and right away I facepalmed "this is exactly what that chick was going on about on the board". I threw on my Graverobber's Ring and chilled with Dirty Man for a while. I could see a HP bar flashing through the wall from time to time, I went to check that the dude wasn't killing crystal lizards anywhere so he was probably taking damage as he fell down the shortcut route clear on the other side of the map ... he looked around for a few minutes, then disappeared.

I got invaded again later but this time the invader wasn't so lucky with the shortcut route and went splat.

Why do people even bother invading 2-2? IMO it's attempted suicide. The level splits immediately and it's a rat's nest of ambush opportunities. You could be hopping down levels in the shortcut and BAM god's wrath tosses you to your death. You could be cruising the bearbug tunnels and BAM blindsided. Anywhere near lava? OH NOES pushing attacks or wrath again.

[jedbeetle]

Hello all,

I don't know whether to blame myself or the d**k swinging nature of most idiot males who play this game but sometimes you just want to be left alone. But lets not go off on a vicious rant quite so quickly though, please bear with me...

I've fought alot of Black Phantoms, I've even killed a good number of them, and I've died by the hands of many of them as well. When I'm quietly and calmly farming Sharpstone Chunks in 2-1, it's simply too much these days to ask to just be left alone. Some idiot phantom MUST invade my world so he can try his luck; and when he environment dies, and I'm left alone by the edge of a red rock cliff, laughing like a bastard, it is still too much to ask to not have yet another Black Phantom invade and backstab me off said cliff. Weak.

So, as I've said before, I've begun cheating. In soul form, if I'm not up to dealing with one of you idiots I simply environment die and soul sign again back in my own world. I do this especially when I'm carrying a large amount of souls and don't feel like risking a significant chunk of them for anyone.

In body form, and this is where I REALLY become cheap, I simply reset the console. As soon as a BP enters, I disconnect. Yep, I said it. So if you were one of those guys who invaded someone's world and curiously got kicked an instant after you touched down, there is a distinct possibility that I jooed you out of a possible death-kill.

At this point, I am simply too tired of you bastards. I have owned this game for three weeks now and in all that time, I've not spawned as a BP once. That's right, ZERO. I stole the Old Monks hat from someone, THATS WHY I'M WEARING IT!!!

Why? Am I a cowardly loser afraid to risk it all for the glory? Maybe... maybe not. Is it in the female nature to simply avoid the aforementioned c**k swing of PvP combat? Perhaps. Maybe, I just have better things to do... like improve myself.

But then you should ask, why don't I just play offline? Welp, the simple and straigh-forward answer is because I need the help of Blue Phantoms to complete some of these stages. I don't NEED it, but it makes the game a lot more comfortable for me, and why not have some insurance? Plus, I like my body. Can I have it(?), without risking some simple overpowered brute p.o.s. invading mid soul farm and wrecking my life? I guess I can! THANK YOU.

- Janie <3

P.S.

So, until there are real and very serious consequences for invading as a Black Phantom, (as there are for dying at the hands of one) I will continue, and urge the rest of you to continue to cheat at this game. If you die as a Black Phantom I suggest you lose at the very least one soul level. Something needs to give here, in order to set the keel right again. There are simply too many of you jackholes out there with nothing better to do.

THIS is no longer a free ride.

- J

Hiss, boo, go play Dragon Age Origins.

[jedbeetle]

I was farming 2-2 without having taken care of Flamelurker because he's a bastard. Actually I though I had an awesome route, starting in 2-1, upgrade stuff with Ed, go up Ed's elevator and kill all the flaming claymore guys (for Chunks of Hardstone) and then run along to kill Rock Worms in 2-2 for Greystones to pump up my comically oversized PvP axe.

Then some dude invaded me and right away I facepalmed "this is exactly what that chick was going on about on the board". I threw on my Graverobber's Ring and chilled with Dirty Man for a while. I could see a HP bar flashing through the wall from time to time, I went to check that the dude wasn't killing crystal lizards anywhere so he was probably taking damage as he fell down the shortcut route clear on the other side of the map ... he looked around for a few minutes, then disappeared.

I got invaded again later but this time the invader wasn't so lucky with the shortcut route and went splat.

Why do people even bother invading 2-2? IMO it's attempted suicide. The level splits immediately and it's a rat's nest of ambush opportunities. You could be hopping down levels in the shortcut and BAM god's wrath tosses you to your death. You could be cruising the bearbug tunnels and BAM blindsided. Anywhere near lava? OH NOES pushing attacks or wrath again.

Why bother? Because it's fun. BP invading/fighting off BPs is the real strategy and fun in this game after you've owned every boss a couple times. Invading on hard levels is for variety and challenge.

[jedbeetle]

Hi all,

Hahaha, I'm glad I've finally posted something people care to respond to, hahaha. Thanks for the reccomendation; farming in soul form, good idea. Still doesn't take care of the constant invasions during regular game play, especially in 4-x but who can have cake(?), (no one). I love where this thread is going.

Thanks,

- Janie <3

Just play offline! log off your psn account and play : easy peasy. Or - learn to relish the invasions since killing black phantoms gives you many many souls, and try to always have a blue phantom buddy around. Or play during non-peak hours.

[Virodeath]

I just don't understand why you would bother to post a topic like this unless you just need attention... I mean your smart enough to know how to farm shards, surely your smart enough to know to not login to the servers while your farming or whatever your doing... Right? I mean the answer to your problem is right there at the beginning of DS everytime you login, if you want to be left alone then don't punish yourself by logging into the servers because in the end all your doing is harassing the people that want to play the PvP side of the game.

So do yourself a favor and just don't login to the servers then everyone will be happy again in the world of DS....

Oh and yes I don't like to be invaded so I do play offline 99.5% of the time, the bloodstains & messages aren't that big of a help, just a nice crutch.

Viro

[Abraxes]

Play offline, in soul form, or suck it up. Another option is to actually beat the level. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can be invaded on a given level once you've actually beaten that level.

I don't bother invading anymore. Too many losers that disconnect right before/after being killed. I do like to sit around and wait to be invaded for some 1 on 1 fights but that seems to be really hit or miss. Sometimes, it can be 4 or 5 BPs in a row, other times I can wait forever and zero invaders. Usually fun though I've only run into a small handful of BPs that were worth a crap.

not true i farm in 2 for dragonstones and other stuff and i purposely have a body so i will get invaded not to mention the other worlds, it is weird but the only one i haven't been invaded in yet is 3, i swear to you not once. as for the people that DC i am impartial, myself because all i do is look for another game to invade and more often than not i get the same person who DC'ed and that has got to piss them off even more and i have a good laugh

[Umbasa]

People need to get over dying in Demon's Souls. I don't even care if I lose my body or any of my souls anymore because I've realized how easy it is to get a body or some souls.

I've lost 2 million souls once trying to parry the red eyed spear knight in 1-1 and 3 million souls when I forgot to pick up my bloodstain while farming bladestone and suiciding in 4-2. And I can't even count the number of bodies I've thrown away just so I could blue phantom some more.

I remember how much trouble my very first Demon's Souls character had, though. I wasn't able to get a single kill as a black phantom and any time I had a body it would quickly get taken away by a black phantom. I didn't let it bother me, though, because that's just the way it was. Obviously they knew exactly what they were doing while I didn't have a clue.

But now I'm more experienced. By watching all those people I've learned to utilize some of their tricks or at least how to best counter them. You're going to have to learn if you want to survive.

Even just last weekend I learned a new trick from some Japanese dude who imported the Atlus version. He had a similar strategy to mine but he was a lot better at it and killed me. As soon I got summoned again the same guy invaded the new game I was in but I knew exactly what he was going to do and managed to kill him this time. Now I've learned to (ab)use the same trick.

By running away you're just putting off the inevitable. One day you'll have to decide that you're finally done running away and learn how to properly fight human opponents or you can just stay offline so you can stop ruining the game for people who want to play it correctly and stick to fighting boring, predictable, AI controlled enemies. At least then you won't have to interrupt your game anymore and you won't have to risk accidentally corrupting your save.

[Gamefanatic]

Hi all,

Hahaha, I'm glad I've finally posted something people care to respond to, hahaha. Thanks for the reccomendation; farming in soul form, good idea. Still doesn't take care of the constant invasions during regular game play, especially in 4-x but who can have cake(?), (no one). I love where this thread is going.

Thanks,

- Janie <3

Oh man, where to begin. I tend to believe you are not female, but are using that information as a guise to rant without consequences. And for another thing, I don't believe that you DC during pvp encounters, but instead, are merely looking for attention from forum members. You chose a topic that is known to piss alot of players off and knew you would get responses. Your last post solidifies my reasoning as you seem to be quite content that your little thread has garnished a few replies, not to mention I don't know any female that uses the term jooish or types hahahahaha in an antagonistic fashion. The way you type and write, (****-swinging, c'mon) all points to adolescent male, maybe 13-17 years old. Oh sure, you'll come in here and tell me I'm wrong, but there's no actual way to tell is there sweetheart?

[c0nfus3d]

Whats your soul level?

I am sl 153 and I hardly get invaded :(

So I have to invade ppl!

But I dont see the big point of invading besides gaining bodyform. i hardly encounter blue phantoms where I can manage to kill them and the host to get the souls...

The Red Eye Stone is even nastier...

I accepted several times a challange and got firestormed while spawning lol (instant death)

[Delition]

Hi all,

Hahaha, I'm glad I've finally posted something people care to respond to, hahaha. Thanks for the reccomendation; farming in soul form, good idea. Still doesn't take care of the constant invasions during regular game play, especially in 4-x but who can have cake(?), (no one). I love where this thread is going.

Thanks,

- Janie <3

Oh man, where to begin. I tend to believe you are not female, but are using that information as a guise to rant without consequences. And for another thing, I don't believe that you DC during pvp encounters, but instead, are merely looking for attention from forum members. You chose a topic that is known to piss alot of players off and knew you would get responses. Your last post solidifies my reasoning as you seem to be quite content that your little thread has garnished a few replies, not to mention I don't know any female that uses the term jooish or types hahahahaha in an antagonistic fashion. The way you type and write, (****-swinging, c'mon) all points to adolescent male, maybe 13-17 years old. Oh sure, you'll come in here and tell me I'm wrong, but there's no actual way to tell is there sweetheart?

I hate quoting long posts, but that was the first thing I thought of when I read the initial post. The additional posts from the topic creator are just icing on the cake.

[obie191970]

At least he/she/it isn't waiting until a moment before death to unplug, then we would see some real anger here. That being said, I'm sick of these "I'm so tired of being invaded..Boo Hoo.." posts. The ways to avoid it happening have been discussed ad nauseum on these forums. Either use one of those vehicles or suck it up and realize it's part of the game. I'm not a fan of being invaded myself, but seeing my Hyper Build is better off in Soul Form, it's rarely an issue because I'm swan diving in the Nexus after killing a boss. But if I am, I deal with it even I have a slim chance against these builds based around PvP.

[jedbeetle]

At least he/she/it isn't waiting until a moment before death to unplug, then we would see some real anger here. That being said, I'm sick of these "I'm so tired of being invaded..Boo Hoo.." posts. The ways to avoid it happening have been discussed ad nauseum on these forums. Either use one of those vehicles or suck it up and realize it's part of the game. I'm not a fan of being invaded myself, but seeing my Hyper Build is better off in Soul Form, it's rarely an issue because I'm swan diving in the Nexus after killing a boss. But if I am, I deal with it even I have a slim chance against these builds based around PvP.

Just to iterate: Please keep invading people!!!! It's what keeps this game interesting.

[ChaosOrigin]

Hello all,

I don't know whether to blame myself or the d**k swinging nature of most idiot males who play this game but sometimes you just want to be left alone. But lets not go off on a vicious rant quite so quickly though, please bear with me...

I've fought alot of Black Phantoms, I've even killed a good number of them, and I've died by the hands of many of them as well. When I'm quietly and calmly farming Sharpstone Chunks in 2-1, it's simply too much these days to ask to just be left alone. Some idiot phantom MUST invade my world so he can try his luck; and when he environment dies, and I'm left alone by the edge of a red rock cliff, laughing like a bastard, it is still too much to ask to not have yet another Black Phantom invade and backstab me off said cliff. Weak.

So, as I've said before, I've begun cheating. In soul form, if I'm not up to dealing with one of you idiots I simply environment die and soul sign again back in my own world. I do this especially when I'm carrying a large amount of souls and don't feel like risking a significant chunk of them for anyone.

In body form, and this is where I REALLY become cheap, I simply reset the console. As soon as a BP enters, I disconnect. Yep, I said it. So if you were one of those guys who invaded someone's world and curiously got kicked an instant after you touched down, there is a distinct possibility that I jooed you out of a possible death-kill.

At this point, I am simply too tired of you bastards. I have owned this game for three weeks now and in all that time, I've not spawned as a BP once. That's right, ZERO. I stole the Old Monks hat from someone, THATS WHY I'M WEARING IT!!!

Why? Am I a cowardly loser afraid to risk it all for the glory? Maybe... maybe not. Is it in the female nature to simply avoid the aforementioned c**k swing of PvP combat? Perhaps. Maybe, I just have better things to do... like improve myself.

But then you should ask, why don't I just play offline? Welp, the simple and straigh-forward answer is because I need the help of Blue Phantoms to complete some of these stages. I don't NEED it, but it makes the game a lot more comfortable for me, and why not have some insurance? Plus, I like my body. Can I have it(?), without risking some simple overpowered brute p.o.s. invading mid soul farm and wrecking my life? I guess I can! THANK YOU.

- Janie <3

P.S.

So, until there are real and very serious consequences for invading as a Black Phantom, (as there are for dying at the hands of one) I will continue, and urge the rest of you to continue to cheat at this game. If you die as a Black Phantom I suggest you lose at the very least one soul level. Something needs to give here, in order to set the keel right again. There are simply too many of you jackholes out there with nothing better to do.

THIS is no longer a free ride.

- J

I'm just throwing this out there, and feel free to say I'm wrong as this is a forum of discussion, but; Wouldn't it have been better served if you didn't post this at all, Janie? You seem to understand that Black Phantoms are an intricate part of the online playing system, as are the blue phantoms that you need. Everything you're doing is hypocritical ( at least to me ), and you're aware that your actions are pissing people off just as they've pissed you off.

So wouldn't you be better served in fact by NOT shouting this from the rooftops? If you really want to stick it to the players that attack you, then don't give them the satisfaction of hearing ( or in this case reading ) you yell about it. Just continue on your way of "cheating" and resetting your console. The ones that actually care about it, and I'm willing to say it's few, will be sufficiently annoyed by this.

By the way, be careful, because resetting your console like this all the time may corrupt your file.

[obie191970]

By the way, be careful, because resetting your console like this all the time may corrupt your file.

And from what I have heard, will most likely do so.....

[Gamefanatic]

By the way, be careful, because resetting your console like this all the time may corrupt your file.

And from what I have heard, will most likely do so.....

Not to mention the PS3 doesn't like being shut off improperly. You could lose your audio and video settings, your favorite background or theme, and that's just to name a few. Pretty much the only way you should ever turn off your PS3 is either by holding down the PS button on the controller or nav'ing to the power down section in the menu..

[janiefoxkills]

Hi again all,

Just to chime in on the bad craziness I've created. Quoting, I've only lost 450,978 souls since I began this game. I'm on NG+2 at a soul level of 155, just btw, and I've died to a BP 22 times. There is nothing inevitable. Also, it takes about two hundred and sixty thousand souls to level one attribute now... I don't feel like losing a "large chunk" to some queer if i can possibly avoid it, thanks.

- Janie <3

P.S. Gamerfanatic, you don't know many girls, huh? You think I need to excuse my gender to do this(?), pig. :)

[obie191970]

I'm on NG+2 at a soul level of 155, just btw, and I've died to a BP 22 times. There is nothing inevitable. Also, it takes about two hundred and sixty thousand souls to level one attribute now

You're about 100K off.....Just saying....

And play offline and the problem is solved - You don't need to play online if you're NG++.

[Jerry-Boyle]

Hi again all,

Just to chime in on the bad craziness I've created. Quoting, I've only lost 450,978 souls since I began this game. I'm on NG+2 at a soul level of 155, just btw, and I've died to a BP 22 times. There is nothing inevitable. Also, it takes about two hundred and sixty thousand souls to level one attribute now... I don't feel like losing a "large chunk" to some queer if i can possibly avoid it, thanks.

- Janie <3

P.S. Gamerfanatic, you don't know many girls, huh? You think I need to excuse my gender to do this(?), pig. :)
Logical sense states play offline. It's very idiotic to be in body form with 100+k souls, your just asking a BP to invade and kill you. This doesn't mean to run by resetting the console. Don't take a BP chance to regain his soul simply because your an idiot in body form with 100+k souls, that's not his/her fault so don't punish him and just play offline. Or hell don't inform us what you do and continue doing it, not like we care that much since we'll never run into you.
Also simply stating that your a girl won't chance how I say this to you so stop waving your gender into people's faces. Makes you look like a feminist slut that thinks she has powers over males which isn't the case. I'll stop here.

[ChaosOrigin]

The morale of the story is that we should just stop responding to this particular thread all together. Clearly she needs to become more grown up ( which is funny because we're talking about playing VIDEO GAMES PEOPLE ), and continuing to fuel this fire just feeds her need for attention.

And as I go: If you're playing in New Game + or ++, etc, why in the world do you need the help of online play anyway?

[Arkhaine]

The morale of the story is that we should just stop responding to this particular thread all together. Clearly she needs to become more grown up ( which is funny because we're talking about playing VIDEO GAMES PEOPLE ), and continuing to fuel this fire just feeds her need for attention.

I would have to agree on the above statement, this thread was clearly started to get some attention. She knows that she can farm offline and if the BP invasions really did bother her that much then she would play offline. This is just an immature player that can't deal with the way this game is supposed to be played therefore no more attention should be paid.

[HijiriOni]

I hate BP invasions, NG+ is also sickeningly hard when your solo. Maybe once I grind out to SL 200 it won't be so bad but bosses like Adjudicator almost 1 shot me while I'm blocking and they DO one shot me if I'm not.

It's a double edged sword...BP invasions for the ability to invite friends (which with the current server status just erks me) or have everything kill you.

Last time I tried inviting people to my game I had 1 person in my game then I got lovely "Failed to Summon" messages 10x in a row from different people. I spent an hour waiting on summons...I assume BPs we're failing to invade because I never go that long without an invasion.

I still hate BPs because I have no choice on their invasions if I wish to co-op with friends.

At least PS Button+Quit Game=Safe way to avoid BPs.

[Gamefanatic]

P.S. Gamerfanatic, you don't know many girls, huh? You think I need to excuse my gender to do this(?), pig. :)

Why as a matter of fact.......I think there are quite a few of us that would like you to prove your gender. That fakey name you have doesn't really help your case, just sayin. The only thing you have managed to prove thus far is that you are immature in nature. And even if you are in fact a female, you have low self standards and are a poo poo mouth. :)

[Grimlorn]

Cheating ruins the game for other people. The game was made for pvp online. You should just play offline, if you aren't going to play with friends and want to play in body form.

[HijiriOni]

The game wasn't "made for pvp" the game includes it, but if it was made for it you'd see fair odds for the BP invaders.
3on1=Not fair
1on1=BP has gimped health, Invaded has full health and ability to get help, and if the WT is pure/really high white BPs suffer extra gimps.

Course all my biggest complaints stem from the multiplayer...then again FROM has never made a multiplayer game that was even halfway decent multiplayer. So this is "their best" that I've played.

I just consider BPs annoying and unwanted.

[GuyIncognito]

The game wasn't "made for pvp" the game includes it, but if it was made for it you'd see fair odds for the BP invaders.
3on1=Not fair
1on1=BP has gimped health, Invaded has full health and ability to get help, and if the WT is pure/really high white BPs suffer extra gimps.

Course all my biggest complaints stem from the multiplayer...then again FROM has never made a multiplayer game that was even halfway decent multiplayer. So this is "their best" that I've played.

I just consider BPs annoying and unwanted.

I really like the online feature in this game: I like to feel that I'm not alone when I'm farming (in soul form). :) When I want to beat a boss or do WT tendency stuff, I play offline...it's as simple as disabling networking in the PS3 menu.

[HijiriOni]

It's actually simpler then that guy. Disabling networking in ps3 menu isn't needed.

Just go to your PSN account and hit "Logout" then load your DS game, after it's loaded you can actually log your PSN account backin and the game stays offline. I had several friends wanting to know how I was on PSN but offline in DS.

I do like some aspects of the online...SOME of them. But to me the multiplayer system feels very undeveloped. Like it's missing alot of things to be truly great...most of those things are simply options. On/Off features for things like Voice Chat, Invasions, Friend invites. I'd also LOVE to be able to turn bloodstains/messages off without being offline...I've never found a single message I considered useful, because the kinds of messages you can leave are next to useless. The bloodstains just clutter up details and end up being something I push the button for when I meant something else...they certainly haven't saved me from jumping off a cliff that was so obviously fatal and you knew the person jumping was commiting suicide on purpose, or avoid death to some nasty demon.

[GuyIncognito]

I do like some aspects of the online...SOME of them. But to me the multiplayer system feels very undeveloped. Like it's missing alot of things to be truly great...most of those things are simply options. On/Off features for things like Voice Chat, Invasions, Friend invites. I'd also LOVE to be able to turn bloodstains/messages off without being offline...I've never found a single message I considered useful, because the kinds of messages you can leave are next to useless. The bloodstains just clutter up details and end up being something I push the button for when I meant something else..

I really like the bloodstains. I chuckle at the pitiful deaths. And I found the messages and bloodstains very useful, early in my first playthrough. I didn't die in 1-1 (up to the boss) once, the first time I played the game. Obviously, options to turn features off would not detract from the game, however.

[HijiriOni]

Heh, I died in 1-1. Twice...once from accidentally falling off the staircase. And once from attempting to melee the red eyed knight. Bloodstains/Messages never helped me once. I did recomend any that actually gave useful advice though.

Turns out my first death taught me how to kill the red eyed knight, gravity is my greatness weakness...turns out it's the red eye knights too.

[GuyIncognito]

Turns out my first death taught me how to kill the red eyed knight, gravity is my greatness weakness...turns out it's the red eye knights too.

After reading about it, I tried to pull off that trick couple of times, but he kept breaking the barrels, so I gave up (I was probably standing in the wrong spot).

[Lady_Kitsu]

I'll just leave this here.


http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x193/Cherry_Kitty_Kat/trolldetected.png

I know im feeding the troll but..

Just play in soul form and only use your body when you need help that is what I do. If anything summon up a couple of blues.

[jedbeetle]

I hate BP invasions, NG+ is also sickeningly hard when your solo. Maybe once I grind out to SL 200 it won't be so bad but bosses like Adjudicator almost 1 shot me while I'm blocking and they DO one shot me if I'm not.

It's a double edged sword...BP invasions for the ability to invite friends (which with the current server status just erks me) or have everything kill you.

Last time I tried inviting people to my game I had 1 person in my game then I got lovely "Failed to Summon" messages 10x in a row from different people. I spent an hour waiting on summons...I assume BPs we're failing to invade because I never go that long without an invasion.

I still hate BPs because I have no choice on their invasions if I wish to co-op with friends.

At least PS Button+Quit Game=Safe way to avoid BPs.

....
hiss boo go play some other game. or just play offline. you should be ashamed of yourself. i'm embarrassed for you, and i don't even know you. admitting that you rage quit is like wetting your pants in public.

[HijiriOni]

Admitting that I do something the dame designers don't penalize me for?

PS Button+Quit Game. I wouldn't use it if I wanted to be invaded, and yeah I most commonly do play offline or in soul form. I also will never use it if I actually start fighting.

But I'm in NG+ and bosses thus far most of them have had "Look at you and you die" powers. Getting better at it, but I'm still not able to trash NG+ like I could NG.

[jedbeetle]

Admitting that I do something the dame designers don't penalize me for?

PS Button+Quit Game. I wouldn't use it if I wanted to be invaded, and yeah I most commonly do play offline or in soul form. I also will never use it if I actually start fighting.

But I'm in NG+ and bosses thus far most of them have had "Look at you and you die" powers. Getting better at it, but I'm still not able to trash NG+ like I could NG.
That's good, i guess, that you'll fight it out.

Even in new game +, though even basic enemies can one-shot me, i find the game itself to be pretty easy. Once I'd seen everything in the game, I was all about being invaded. It's the spice that keeps things interesting.

If I am summoned as a blue phantom and there are no invaders for the whole level, i feel sad. like there was no real reason for me to be there.

What I'm saying, ultimately, is that when people quit on black phantoms, at any point for any reason, it discourages invasions across the board. But I want to encourage them, because I don't get nearly enough of them.

Today, I was trading with someone in 5-1. Black phantom drops in, we fight, we kill him. That made the trading session like 10x better.

A guy invaded me when I was actually running 5-1 in my ng+. He must have taken 20 minutes to find me, and I killed him instantly, but man, at least he tried. And that whole 20 minutes, I was wondering "where the heck is that guy? is he coming? is he okay? where did he pop in anyways?" It made my 5-1 experience so much more thrilling.

If I'm farming, I desperately hope to be invaded because farming is boring.

Invasions are the best part of this game. They mix up the monotony once you pretty much know the drill for each level. They make you think and use your terrain. Every once in awhile, they kill you, and isn't that what demon's souls is ultimately about - getting horribly killed at inconvenient moments?

So I'll keep invading if you do.

[Merlinsbeard]

declare your a Girl
?????
PROFIT

;{P

the thing you complain about is called game design.. you want help ? well that comes with the price of possible black phantom


ps. happy hanukkah

[HijiriOni]

It shouldn't, aid in video games has never come with the price "Other players will randomly join and kill you, and you have no choice"

[GuyIncognito]

It shouldn't, aid in video games has never come with the price "Other players will randomly join and kill you, and you have no choice"

What should or shouldn't be is subjective.

[HijiriOni]

Exactly, but how it's subjective is based off the majority. Most people do believe the multiplayer could have been developed a bit more.

But when you compare it to multiplayer from other games from FROM it's actually quite an improvement. Unfortunately comparison to other developers it can be considered a step down from things allready done.

Though there is a slight nod towards a possible sequel thanks to the fact that the US loves the game. Apparently Demon's Souls wasn't as hot in Japan. The developers even said there we're some things that wanted to do in Demon's Souls originally that they couldn't and it was more of an "Experimental" game.

Theres definately some good points to what is done in Demon's Souls, but theres definately room for improvement...if a sequel is made I can't see it being worse.

[GuyIncognito]

Exactly, but how it's subjective is based off the majority.

:???:

Apparently Demon's Souls wasn't as hot in Japan.

:???:

Here's a quote from wikipedia: "The game was received fairly well by Japanese media and gamers. Dengeki scored the game 95/85/85/85, Famitsu gave it a more mixed review with the scores 9/7/7/6. The game sold 39,966 copies in its first week in Japan,[20][21] and also reportedly boosted PS3 sales in the region.[22]" I'm not sure it's hot in the US, and it was still received "fairly well" in Japan. Everybody's whining about the difficulty in the US.

[HijiriOni]

I actually don't see anyone whining about difficulty until NG+...then oh god yeah did it take a difficulty hike.

I don't have figures to compare with against the japanese sells but I do know the initial launch there weren't enough copies in stores to cover the demand. Fred Meyers, one of my local one stop shops, didn't even carry it. They didn't have it in their system, which means they WON'T have it normally. 2 weeks later they had it and all their electronics people we're thinking it was completely weird that they started carrying it. So it's got enough popularity to make stores reconsider "not carrying it"

[Jerry-Boyle]

Exactly, but how it's subjective is based off the majority.

:???:

Apparently Demon's Souls wasn't as hot in Japan.

:???:

Here's a quote from wikipedia: "The game was received fairly well by Japanese media and gamers. Dengeki scored the game 95/85/85/85, Famitsu gave it a more mixed review with the scores 9/7/7/6. The game sold 39,966 copies in its first week in Japan,[20][21] and also reportedly boosted PS3 sales in the region.[22]" I'm not sure it's hot in the US, and it was still received "fairly well" in Japan. Everybody's whining about the difficulty in the US.

Wiki is not a reliable source of information so don't quote them. The person could be talking out their ass. That and all they mentio nwas the ratings, not the actual sales figure of the game besides 39,966. In the US Demon's Souls sold more. It had at least 80,000+ preorders, not to mention shortages of the games here.


North America - Week 1 + Week 2+ Week 3 + Week 4 = Total

105,752 + 38,937 + 29,899 + 27,916= 202,504

Japan - Week 1 + Week 2 + Week 3 + Week 4 + Week 5 + Week 6 + Week 7 + Week 8 + Week 9 + Week 10 = Total
38,966 + 18.445 + 13,087 + 8,649 + 4,994 + 4,553 + 3,009 + 2,777 + 2,666 + 1,922 = 99,068 (around 140,000 lifetime)

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=31689&region=All
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=demonssouls&message.id=5380&query.id=198760#M5380

[GuyIncognito]

Wiki is not a reliable source of information so don't quote them.

Often wikipedia information has references--and it did in this case. I wouldn't quote it, if it was not backed up by a second party.

"Demon's Souls Sells out in Japan
First party PS3 action title almost tops sales charts."
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/954/954120p1.html

[Jerry-Boyle]

Wiki is not a reliable source of information so don't quote them.

Often wikipedia information has references--and it did in this case. I wouldn't quote it, if it was not backed up by a second party.

"Demon's Souls Sells out in Japan
First party PS3 action title almost tops sales charts."
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/954/954120p1.html
It sold 39k copies in the first week, NA sold 105k. The article is old.

[GuyIncognito]

It sold 39k copies in the first week, NA sold 105k. The article is old.

I'm not sure what your point is. You were telling me not to quote wikipedia. So I explained to you, that sometimes it's OK to do so.

Also, consider this: there are ~3 million PS3's in Japan and ~5.7 million in the US.

[Jerry-Boyle]

It sold 39k copies in the first week, NA sold 105k. The article is old.

I'm not sure what your point is. You were telling me not to quote wikipedia. So I explained to you, that sometimes it's OK to do so.

Also, consider this: there are ~3 million PS3's in Japan and ~5.7 million in the US.
Well my point was saying that In NA it sold more. So it was hotter then the japan sales in this region. Anyway the point is that its selling well so yay:)

[GuyIncognito]

Well my point was saying that In NA it sold more. So it was hotter then the japan sales in this region. Anyway the point is that its selling well so yay:)

Considering the fact that there are twice as many PS3's in the US, you'd expect to sell around twice as many copies--and since I played against people in Germany, it's possible that a some of those copies were purchased by Europeans. :)

[jedbeetle]

Well my point was saying that In NA it sold more. So it was hotter then the japan sales in this region. Anyway the point is that its selling well so yay:)

Considering the fact that there are twice as many PS3's in the US, you'd expect to sell around twice as many copies--and since I played against people in Germany, it's possible that a some of those copies were purchased by Europeans. :)
Who cares?
The point of this thread is that cheaters suck.

[Saint_Lucifer]

Heyy Janie I have this but i kill them even when im as my royal and thats a level 20 adn some of these ppl who invade my world are like on there NG++++ with high stats good magic!

I just avoide them! I play offline so i get used to the area then when someone does invade just use the areas youve cleared and you no like to the back of your hand!


If you need help ill happily help!!



My PSN is JOSH-360SUKS-
Josh-Wanderer(lv 89)

Cheers!

[skottey]

Hello all,

I don't know whether to blame myself or the d**k swinging nature of most idiot males who play this game but sometimes you just want to be left alone. But lets not go off on a vicious rant quite so quickly though, please bear with me...

I've fought alot of Black Phantoms, I've even killed a good number of them, and I've died by the hands of many of them as well. When I'm quietly and calmly farming Sharpstone Chunks in 2-1, it's simply too much these days to ask to just be left alone. Some idiot phantom MUST invade my world so he can try his luck; and when he environment dies, and I'm left alone by the edge of a red rock cliff, laughing like a bastard, it is still too much to ask to not have yet another Black Phantom invade and backstab me off said cliff. Weak.

So, as I've said before, I've begun cheating. In soul form, if I'm not up to dealing with one of you idiots I simply environment die and soul sign again back in my own world. I do this especially when I'm carrying a large amount of souls and don't feel like risking a significant chunk of them for anyone.

In body form, and this is where I REALLY become cheap, I simply reset the console. As soon as a BP enters, I disconnect. Yep, I said it. So if you were one of those guys who invaded someone's world and curiously got kicked an instant after you touched down, there is a distinct possibility that I jooed you out of a possible death-kill.

At this point, I am simply too tired of you bastards. I have owned this game for three weeks now and in all that time, I've not spawned as a BP once. That's right, ZERO. I stole the Old Monks hat from someone, THATS WHY I'M WEARING IT!!!

Why? Am I a cowardly loser afraid to risk it all for the glory? Maybe... maybe not. Is it in the female nature to simply avoid the aforementioned c**k swing of PvP combat? Perhaps. Maybe, I just have better things to do... like improve myself.

But then you should ask, why don't I just play offline? Welp, the simple and straigh-forward answer is because I need the help of Blue Phantoms to complete some of these stages. I don't NEED it, but it makes the game a lot more comfortable for me, and why not have some insurance? Plus, I like my body. Can I have it(?), without risking some simple overpowered brute p.o.s. invading mid soul farm and wrecking my life? I guess I can! THANK YOU.

- Janie <3

P.S.

So, until there are real and very serious consequences for invading as a Black Phantom, (as there are for dying at the hands of one) I will continue, and urge the rest of you to continue to cheat at this game. If you die as a Black Phantom I suggest you lose at the very least one soul level. Something needs to give here, in order to set the keel right again. There are simply too many of you jackholes out there with nothing better to do.

THIS is no longer a free ride.

- J

I agree with you Janie. They always invade at the WORST time. It is never at a time I am prepared so I have to agree with you and I do the same thing. I either hit the PS button and quit game or jump out of my seat in a panic and reach behind the PS3 to turn off the main power switch. It seems the higher I get in level, the more this happens to me. I am a level 149 right now and I cannot go into a level such as 2-1 without being instantly invaded before reaching the tunnel as a human form.

I agree, I don't play offline because I enjoy getting help from blue phantoms and helping them. But what I have started doing is suiciding in the Nexus and going back to soul form before venturing on. I only pretty much use revived human form when I am going in for a boss fight. Once I am back to the Nexus, I either farm on 1-3 (three red knights) for a while, where I hardly ever get invaded, or just do the suicide and move forward.

The ring that hides one from black phantoms does not work well in most cases.

So Janie is right. Sometimes a player just wants to be left alone and here comes a red phantom.

But I would suggest suiciding over quitting.

[skottey]

I'm curious, what are the serious consequences you face when you are invaded?

I get the souls from your blues, but only the body from you.

Or is that what you mean? You lose your body? Is that the serious consequence?

Not saying it's not, it just never struck me as all that serious...

Am I wrong that if you are invaded by a red and killed, you lose a soul level? If I grind for 20 minutes to get from 148 to 149 and I am attacked by a red and knocked back to 148, there goes 20 minutes (or more) of level grinding. I would say that is pretty serious.

Now, if I am wrong about losing a soul level, I am not wrong about the reds who jump in and pin me down, only to use soul suck on my screen, losing a soul level!

This is not cool at all.

I personally don't care about losing 50,000 or less souls or losing human form. If that is all that would happen, but I do care very much so about losing a soul level. They take way too long to grind when you get up there in the levels.

I suggested she suicide in the Nexus. I do that more often than not now instead of quitting. You only really should be in human form if you are going in for a boss fight anyway.

[skottey]

You can't be invaded in areas you've already cleared.

There must be a glitch in my game, because I have beat my 2-1 and 2-2 on ng+ and I have been invaded while going back to farm for stones. This has happened more than once to the point where either your statement is wrong or my game is seriously glitched. Everything else works fine though.

I suggested suiciding in the Nexus. You really only need human form for bosses so you can seek help. No need to do everything in human form. Although, it is nice in human form to not have to waste a ring slot on cling and to have the higher health bar. But if you are grinding away for souls, you don't need cling anyway if you know what you are doing.

[skottey]

I get the souls from your blues, but only the body from you.

Are you invading after you have deposited your souls in the Nexus? I ask this as I have formed a theory that only BPs that risk their souls can collect the invaded's souls. There have been times I've been invaded, lost and the BP has taken my souls while other times my blood stain is there for me to reclaim my souls.

How do you deposit your souls in the Nexus?

I wish there was a place to bank them but I am in NG+ and have never seen such a bank. Perhaps you meant, "spend your souls on leveling up or goods, repairs, miracles, or magic in the Nexus," but deposit is not the right way of putting it. The only thing you can deposit are goods with Stockpile Tom. Not souls.

[jedbeetle]

I'm curious, what are the serious consequences you face when you are invaded?

I get the souls from your blues, but only the body from you.

Or is that what you mean? You lose your body? Is that the serious consequence?

Not saying it's not, it just never struck me as all that serious...

Am I wrong that if you are invaded by a red and killed, you lose a soul level? If I grind for 20 minutes to get from 148 to 149 and I am attacked by a red and knocked back to 148, there goes 20 minutes (or more) of level grinding. I would say that is pretty serious.

Now, if I am wrong about losing a soul level, I am not wrong about the reds who jump in and pin me down, only to use soul suck on my screen, losing a soul level!

This is not cool at all.

I personally don't care about losing 50,000 or less souls or losing human form. If that is all that would happen, but I do care very much so about losing a soul level. They take way too long to grind when you get up there in the levels.

I suggested she suicide in the Nexus. I do that more often than not now instead of quitting. You only really should be in human form if you are going in for a boss fight anyway.

Being killed by an invader is just like being killed by a monster. You DO NOT lose a soul level. You just drop a bloodstain with all your current souls in it. Only the invader is at risk from losing a soul level, unless the invader happens to have soulsucker, which I've never seen used. I HAVE seen npc enemies use powers like this on me.
Whatever. Soul levels come really quick if you just progress through your games.

Losing a fight in a duel - started using a red eye stone - will lose a player a soul level. Invaders use the black eye stone.

You CAN be invaded on levels that you have already completed...


People quitting on you when you invade sucks and ruins the game. If you are doing this every time a black phantom invades, you should instead be playing all the time in soul form, be playing offline, or just playing a different game entirely.

[skottey]

Hiss, boo, go play Dragon Age Origins.

What's wrong with Dragon Age Origins. When I grow tired of DS, that is one of the games on my list to purchase and play next. I'd rather not waste the money if the game isn't worth it. Is there something we should know about the game? Or are you just implying that it is Elder Scrolls like in that you can save it and reload saves, where as with DS it is known for being so "difficut?"

Seriously, is there something wrong with Dragon Age? It looks good as far as I can tell. Not everything can or will be like Demon's Soul's.

[skottey]

By the way, be careful, because resetting your console like this all the time may corrupt your file.

And from what I have heard, will most likely do so.....

Not to mention the PS3 doesn't like being shut off improperly. You could lose your audio and video settings, your favorite background or theme, and that's just to name a few. Pretty much the only way you should ever turn off your PS3 is either by holding down the PS button on the controller or nav'ing to the power down section in the menu..

So everybody out there is like me and has their entire entertainment center hooked up to multiple UPS power backups? I don't think so. I personally live in Florida where the power goes off and on all the time in the summer and brownouts are very common. Even if I am not switching my PS3 off improperly, I could easily have a power outage shut her off in the middle of a game if I didn't have a UPS. I don't recall ever hearing a warning about this from Sony or even a recommendation to use a UPS. While it "could" corrupt a save file if it is writing to the hard drive, it isn't going to corrupt it outside of during a write function. The game autosaves after kills and significant events, not while just standing there. If a person jumps up and just switches the power off or quits the game via the PS menu before the black phantom or something else kills them, there is no reason it would be writing to the hard drive and no chance of corruption. Sure, if you are not quick enough and you are killed, and shut it off during the save, you stand a good chance of file/hard drive corruption. But there is no risk if you switch it off as fast as you see the "you've been invaded...." screen.

The whole notion that you'll have a corrupt file is just fear mongering used to try to prevent people from taking the chance. Of course a BP doesn't want to have the other idiot quit, so they'll say what they have to in order to scare a person out of doing it.

[skottey]

I'm curious, what are the serious consequences you face when you are invaded?

I get the souls from your blues, but only the body from you.

Or is that what you mean? You lose your body? Is that the serious consequence?

Not saying it's not, it just never struck me as all that serious...

Am I wrong that if you are invaded by a red and killed, you lose a soul level? If I grind for 20 minutes to get from 148 to 149 and I am attacked by a red and knocked back to 148, there goes 20 minutes (or more) of level grinding. I would say that is pretty serious.

Now, if I am wrong about losing a soul level, I am not wrong about the reds who jump in and pin me down, only to use soul suck on my screen, losing a soul level!

This is not cool at all.

I personally don't care about losing 50,000 or less souls or losing human form. If that is all that would happen, but I do care very much so about losing a soul level. They take way too long to grind when you get up there in the levels.

I suggested she suicide in the Nexus. I do that more often than not now instead of quitting. You only really should be in human form if you are going in for a boss fight anyway.

Being killed by an invader is just like being killed by a monster. You DO NOT lose a soul level. You just drop a bloodstain with all your current souls in it. Only the invader is at risk from losing a soul level, unless the invader happens to have soulsucker, which I've never seen used. I HAVE seen npc enemies use powers like this on me.
Whatever. Soul levels come really quick if you just progress through your games.

Losing a fight in a duel - started using a red eye stone - will lose a player a soul level. Invaders use the black eye stone.

You CAN be invaded on levels that you have already completed...


People quitting on you when you invade sucks and ruins the game. If you are doing this every time a black phantom invades, you should instead be playing all the time in soul form, be playing offline, or just playing a different game entirely.

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought the loser, whether the invader or the invaded, lost a soul level. Additionally to that, I am in ng+ and have never been soul sucked by the game monsters, but I have been soul sucked by BPs. It splashes up on the screen "You've been soul sucked" or something like that, similar to "You've been poisoned," in red letters. After spending hours grinding levels and then getting soul sucked by BPs, I began powering off or quitting as soon as I was invaded. But I thought I was losing a soul every time I lost and was getting sick of the invaders running up and soul sucking me. Now I suicide in the Nexus to get back into soul form instead. I don't play with friends right now so the only time I use revived form is before a boss fight with some bosses, especially if I want help from blue phantoms.

Somebody on here was saying you wouldn't get invaded on levels you have completed. I didn't think that was true. Thanks for clearing that up as well.

I realize now there isn't as much at stake with the Black phantoms. Other than the guys that are building BP builds just for the purpose of being BPs and ruining other people's games with soul suck, which is definitely happening. I have been soul sucked too many times by black phantoms.

I am starting to think that there are people with the asian versions who have now imported the Atlus version and have a leg up on us as far as skill. They have to start new characters but they know what they are doing and if you know what you are doing it wouldn't take long to build up a black phantom character used to ruin other people's games. I'm sure there are people out there that get off on that.

Maybe Soul Suck should be turned off for black phantoms. That seems fair.

[jsbradley7]

I get the souls from your blues, but only the body from you.

Are you invading after you have deposited your souls in the Nexus? I ask this as I have formed a theory that only BPs that risk their souls can collect the invaded's souls. There have been times I've been invaded, lost and the BP has taken my souls while other times my blood stain is there for me to reclaim my souls.

How do you deposit your souls in the Nexus?

I wish there was a place to bank them but I am in NG+ and have never seen such a bank. Perhaps you meant, "spend your souls on leveling up or goods, repairs, miracles, or magic in the Nexus," but deposit is not the right way of putting it. The only thing you can deposit are goods with Stockpile Tom. Not souls.

I just mean suiciding in the Nexus before invading another players game and win or lose they'll be there when you return. I've yet to invade but the SG mentions this as an invasion strrategy.

[skottey]

I get the souls from your blues, but only the body from you.

Are you invading after you have deposited your souls in the Nexus? I ask this as I have formed a theory that only BPs that risk their souls can collect the invaded's souls. There have been times I've been invaded, lost and the BP has taken my souls while other times my blood stain is there for me to reclaim my souls.

How do you deposit your souls in the Nexus?

I wish there was a place to bank them but I am in NG+ and have never seen such a bank. Perhaps you meant, "spend your souls on leveling up or goods, repairs, miracles, or magic in the Nexus," but deposit is not the right way of putting it. The only thing you can deposit are goods with Stockpile Tom. Not souls.

I just mean suiciding in the Nexus before invading another players game and win or lose they'll be there when you return. I've yet to invade but the SG mentions this as an invasion strrategy.

Yeah, that actually is a good strategy. Sometimes I wish I would have been able to get my hands on the deluxe edition with that strategy guide. It was hard enough finding a copy of the game period. Too bad they don't sell the SG stand alone. Kind of dumb they don't. Every other game has one. Even games that certainly don't need a strategy guide have them. Oh well. I spend enough time on websites learning about this fantastic game.

[TurboDslBeetle]

I posted this same response on another thread, and while some of the people here have more modest responses I do not.

This is a BS tactic used by the crybabies of the world. You're a coward in life and you bring it into this game. So you die, boo hoo, it's not like you'll lose a hand - unless you punch the TV. This game is HARD, it was meant to be - that's why most of us LOVE it. If you can't handle it - go back to playing Final Fantasy X-2 and leave Demon's Souls to us.

BTW, I have invaded as black 50+ times and have lost all but 2. I have dropped blue stone as much or more and helped people, it makes the game more interesting. I have been playing RPG's since Adventure (name that system) and Demon's Souls is as good as it gets. Take a breath and enjoy the game.....

[JesteR1701]

Cool.

[Mattardo]

I can see both sides of the argument :seesaw: but I don't feel that quitting during a Black Phantom invasion is a good thing to do. It may suck, it may be annoying, but it is definately part of the game.

I haven't fought many black phantom invasions (maybe 8 - 1st invasion I lost, last 2 I lost) and I don't think they're very annoying. Nerve-wracking - yes.

With all that said - my last invasion involved someone using a Scraping Spear (I assume that's what it was) and some other large annoying weapon to break my main large sword, armor and shield. Let me tell you - at that point (looking at the prospect of spending all those souls to repair everything) it just seemed a tad overkill.
Perhaps this was the only method in which the black phantom could defeat me? I do not know.
Perhaps it was done out of maliciousness? I do not know.

It seriously makes me want to try any of the above methods mentioned, if I ever see that cursed spear in my face again - of course in midbattle: how else would I see it?

Before today, I was entirely against quitting black phantom battles - because you either won or you lost - no big deal to me. But when personal damage to all my equipment is done....well, that just seems a little nasty on the part of the black phantom. My girlfriend suggested the other day that I make a Scraping Spear to handle black phantoms, and I told her "no, that just seems wrong" :evil: . So of course, I learn why it's so wrong today up close and personal.

So basically, I will never quit a black phantom battle in normal circumstances, but I MIGHT consider it if I see a certain spear jabbing at me... I don't know.. Who knows..

[jedbeetle]

I posted this same response on another thread, and while some of the people here have more modest responses I do not.

This is a BS tactic used by the crybabies of the world. You're a coward in life and you bring it into this game. So you die, boo hoo, it's not like you'll lose a hand - unless you punch the TV. This game is HARD, it was meant to be - that's why most of us LOVE it. If you can't handle it - go back to playing Final Fantasy X-2 and leave Demon's Souls to us.

BTW, I have invaded as black 50+ times and have lost all but 2. I have dropped blue stone as much or more and helped people, it makes the game more interesting. I have been playing RPG's since Adventure (name that system) and Demon's Souls is as good as it gets. Take a breath and enjoy the game.....

Adventure : Atari 2600. Ahhh....Adventure. But did you find the dot!??!
That was my first big accomplishment in a game: Finding the dot in Adventure.
I totally agree with you - this game is tops. Cheaters ruin it.
Regarding soul sucker, I've really never seen it used, but I would imagine it's possible to avoid since it's a close-quarters power. Is there an animation that gives it away?
I wouldn't mind being hit with it a few times, but my response would probably be to get the power myself and use it on every BP invader I get....
Any build you commit to in this game has to be at least PvP capable, and that means prepared to deal with the odd wiley magic user....

[FiOth]

Janie, I won't go out of my way to say just how much I disagree or to mention how much I believe that your logic fails. I will simply state that you being so enraged and - at the same time - at peace about violating the game's CoC shows, plainly and simply, that you don't have the patience to deal with the game or the dignity to accept the terms that the developer has put before you.

So go on, whine if it makes you feel better, but in this world we are what we do. And the way you treat other people, yes, even in a game, ruining the little free time they might have during the day by putting them in a position in which they wait for 5' to find your game only to be kicked out of the server because you reset... its just pathetic.

Worst of all? In the end, its YOUR problem.

[Grizzles]

Why? Am I a cowardly loser afraid to risk it all for the glory? Maybe... maybe not. Is it in the female nature to simply avoid the aforementioned c**k swing of PvP combat? Perhaps. Maybe, I just have better things to do... like improve myself.

But then you should ask, why don't I just play offline? Welp, the simple and straigh-forward answer is because I need the help of Blue Phantoms to complete some of these stages. I don't NEED it, but it makes the game a lot more comfortable for me, and why not have some insurance? Plus, I like my body. Can I have it(?), without risking some simple overpowered brute p.o.s. invading mid soul farm and wrecking my life? I guess I can! THANK YOU.

- Janie <3

P.S.

So, until there are real and very serious consequences for invading as a Black Phantom, (as there are for dying at the hands of one) I will continue, and urge the rest of you to continue to cheat at this game. If you die as a Black Phantom I suggest you lose at the very least one soul level. Something needs to give here, in order to set the keel right again. There are simply too many of you jackholes out there with nothing better to do.

THIS is no longer a free ride.

- J

First and foremost, as a black phantom, if you die to the environment you lose big time, secondly, you are coming in as a soul with all the negative attributes of a soul form and trying to kill someone in their body. Third, it blackens your character tendency heavily which makes you have even lower HP in soul form even back in your own world. So the price for being a Black Phantom is pretty hefty, the price for dying to one is only losing your body, and the reward for killing one is gaining attack power in soul form, so you can go collect your souls as you would had you died to the environment if you die and move on with life.

BPs are a fun, exciting addition to the game and add a lil more replay value and substance. If you have that much of an issue with it, it's worth it to play offline and if not, just make some friends that'll blue phantom for you regularly. They're also a way for people to further themselves, as there are some points that having an extreme soul tendency one way or the other works in your favor. For instance, I BP farmed to get black tendency to get Mephistopheles to show up, I've done it to get the most out of Soulbrandt/Northern Regalia. Just don't take it personally and try to have fun with it. If you really hate it, either play offline, continue to exploit to avoid it or call phantoms a lot, if a BP manages to kill you and your phantoms, they earned it and you probably need to rethink your build or your approach.

[TurboDslBeetle]

Did I find the dot, oh yeah I found the dot. That was the hook that drug me into video RPG's and away from D&D, back when you actually had to roll the dice.

[Dominions]

I can see both sides of the argument :seesaw: but I don't feel that quitting during a Black Phantom invasion is a good thing to do. It may suck, it may be annoying, but it is definately part of the game.

I haven't fought many black phantom invasions (maybe 8 - 1st invasion I lost, last 2 I lost) and I don't think they're very annoying. Nerve-wracking - yes.

With all that said - my last invasion involved someone using a Scraping Spear (I assume that's what it was) and some other large annoying weapon to break my main large sword, armor and shield. Let me tell you - at that point (looking at the prospect of spending all those souls to repair everything) it just seemed a tad overkill.

Consider that it would cost about as much to completely repair a set of weapons and armor than purchase ONE Dark Moon Grass to heal and get rid of statuses from a bleed / poison / plague attacker. Your weapon you would probably fix mid-fight with an Ed's Grindstone picked up for free somewhere along the way.

I guess for a really low SL character the 2k-per-piece repair bill on a set of plate would be obnoxious but once you're into the meat of the game it's really small potatoes. You pick up consumable soul items worth as much.

[Dominions]

You can't be invaded in areas you've already cleared.

There must be a glitch in my game, because I have beat my 2-1 and 2-2 on ng+ and I have been invaded while going back to farm for stones. This has happened more than once to the point where either your statement is wrong or my game is seriously glitched. Everything else works fine though.

I suggested suiciding in the Nexus. You really only need human form for bosses so you can seek help. No need to do everything in human form. Although, it is nice in human form to not have to waste a ring slot on cling and to have the higher health bar. But if you are grinding away for souls, you don't need cling anyway if you know what you are doing.

I'd hate to be giving bad info. On the other hand I have never been invaded while tooling around cleared areas in a living body, even in high-traffic zones like 1-3, 2-1, 4-1 where the proper boss run in human form sees 4-6 invasions. Just for example, the invasion rate in 4-1 is so high I had to kill 3 invaders the other day just between reviving beside the archstone (from having helped someone with Ajudicator) and being able to use it to warp back to Nexus and spend souls leveling up... but having cleared out the boss now I can go drop off sparkly-twinkly stuff for the hawk girl in body form without a single attack.

I'm pretty sure you're getting hit by a glitch, this game has the odd mess-up with being able to summon too many blue phantoms from time to time as well. I'd hate (well, love is a better word) that unlucky moment where two invaders hit my game simultaneously.

[HijiriOni]

You'd be right Dom, if the area boss is dead "No" phantoms of any kind can enter your game. Black or Blue, they is forbidded.

[megasaur]

concept is simple computer ignores a black phantom. I had a player invade my realm and kill me by fighting alongside an octopus caster in tower lvl. He waited for the caster to stun my guy then he started impaling me from behind. Pretty cheap but it worked. Also if a black phantom invades on tower lvl before old monk boss fight the phantom gets to become the old monks phantom.

I wonder why the developers don't remove friendly fire and make it so that phantoms can't even damage computer enemies that way they can fight alongside computer in a more coordinated and effective manner. Basically for a phantom its important to use computer monsters as help since computer will ignore the phantom and only attack the player the phantom is after.

look I can't complain about black phantoms really they have fewer hitpoints and most of the time they end up getting killed. Also players prefer white tendency so they can use northern regalia. A player would have to be really op to maintain a black tendency its just too hard to do. So a player screwing around invading realms will most likely end up with just a neutral tendency in which case their northern regalia will be useless and they will be screwed.

[Dominions]

A player would have to be really op to maintain a black tendency its just too hard to do. So a player screwing around invading realms will most likely end up with just a neutral tendency in which case their northern regalia will be useless and they will be screwed.

Yeah, I'm trying to drive my CT down so I can do Mephistopheles' stuff and get the Foe Ring so I'm closer to my Thief trophy... that's pretty hard without just offing NPC's everywhere, and I have to avoid any sort of friendly multiplayer or else we'll probably get white CT from killing invaders.

[megasaur]

Yeah, I'm trying to drive my CT down so I can do Mephistopheles' stuff and get the Foe Ring so I'm closer to my Thief trophy... that's pretty hard without just offing NPC's everywhere, and I have to avoid any sort of friendly multiplayer or else we'll probably get white CT from killing invaders.

good luck maintaining a black tendency. you'll have to kill vendors but once they are dead only way to maintain black is by killing other players as a phantom which is hard to near impossible unless your char is god mode op. Chances are you'll just end up with a neutral tendency instead.

Casters got it easier their dps is directly increased through magic attribute. melee dps is only increased if the weapon benefits from the attribute.

[jedbeetle]

You'd be right Dom, if the area boss is dead "No" phantoms of any kind can enter your game. Black or Blue, they is forbidded.
Are you sure? I swear I've been invaded while farming on levels where I defeated the boss already....
maybe i'm just high.

[sophie-ann]

I love getting invaded killing black phantoms and helping others as a blue phantom. This for me makes the game so much better, and has made me a much stronger player, now I die much less to black phantoms.

[Takamori]

I love getting invaded killing black phantoms and helping others as a blue phantom. This for me makes the game so much better, and has made me a much stronger player, now I die much less to black phantoms.

Wish that my damn blue stone worked :(.
I still cant start a topic asking the possible issues i.i

[jedbeetle]

You'd be right Dom, if the area boss is dead "No" phantoms of any kind can enter your game. Black or Blue, they is forbidded.
Are you sure? I swear I've been invaded while farming on levels where I defeated the boss already....
maybe i'm just high.
now that i think about it, it was in 1-2. The dragon was still alive....

[Hahalo]

Even if the dragon is alive, they can't invade if you killed tower knight. Most likely you have mistaken.

[Hahalo]

good luck maintaining a black tendency. you'll have to kill vendors but once they are dead only way to maintain black is by killing other players as a phantom which is hard to near impossible unless your char is god mode op. Chances are you'll just end up with a neutral tendency instead.


Killing other players ain't that hard. I've at least a 80% kill rate in Asia server in lvl100 range. Less in 125, but still above 60% on One vs one.

Note: This is 4-1 PVP map, We both bow and fought straight up.

The thing is, most of you guys are giving perspective of a Blue or host players.

There are players so good that I've not beaten them once in soul forms, but rare. So is quite easy to get Pure Black, as a matter of fact faster then going White IMO.

[Neofire]

I have to sympathy for cheaters,like others said,just play offline if you dont like getting invaded. But thanks for letting people you are cheating, so if i ever run into you i know how and what to do.

[skottey]

You'd be right Dom, if the area boss is dead "No" phantoms of any kind can enter your game. Black or Blue, they is forbidded.
Are you sure? I swear I've been invaded while farming on levels where I defeated the boss already....
maybe i'm just high.

As said previously, this has happened with me many times. Granted, it seems less frequently than the incompleted levels, but it certainly does happen.

[Wolfram]

I've been invaded a grand total of once. I typically progress in soul form mainly because if it's my first time through an area, it's a fact that I WILL die. Usually by falling. Once I'm comfortable with a level I go body form because it's better but still... invaded once. I've tried my hand as a BP, never died doing that but I feel a bit bad so lately I've just been doing BluP helping if I feel like getting my body back in a more fun way than using an ephimeral.

[Rolthorn]

Atlus, please tell me you stance on this. I think it is ridiculous that I can invade, fight and win 4 battles in a row but not get my body back because rage quitting has become so prevalent. This is a serious flaw in the game, Atlus, there is tons of feedback here on this, I'd love to hear what your thoughts are...

[Grimlorn]

Atlus, please tell me you stance on this. I think it is ridiculous that I can invade, fight and win 4 battles in a row but not get my body back because rage quitting has become so prevalent. This is a serious flaw in the game, Atlus, there is tons of feedback here on this, I'd love to hear what your thoughts are...

They're too busy counting their money to care about what we think. This game has sold 200k copies already. So what if 10 or 20 people have problems.

[janiefoxkills]

This is the thread creator speaking,

Thank you all for your lovely comments, and for keeping this thread going. Some very interesting feedback has been put forth, but there is one point in particular I wish to respond to.

Video games are media, and media by definition is something for the public. Once it is created, it is immediately and instantly for an audience, and nothing else. So whatever ideas the author/creator/artist had about what his work was supposed to be or inspire become instantly moot once the work is given over to the masses. What media is to the author has absolutely nothing to do with how it is received by the general public. Stop.

With that said, do not speak "evar" about how I should "play" a game. I could give a flying f**k what the game designers had in mind for my personal experience when they created this masterpiece. I paid my $65, I'll do whatever in the blue f**k I want to with this merchandise. period.

So, to get back on topic and bring an close to this vicious rant, I would like to conclude by saying, that I have not only continued to cheat at Demon's Souls by quitting on Black Phantoms, I have also started to bring a scraping spear along with me so as to completely destroy a players armor before I go. :) I enjoy leaving idiots with something they can bring back to the nexus. Further, I've started sending condescending messages of hate to invaders such as; "give up", "you FAILS", and my personal favorite, "you'll never be faster than my reset button... :]".

Hey kids, you play your way, and I'll play mine :)

Thanks all,

- Janie <3

[silvain]

I'd never thought about farming someone else's crystal geckos as a bp. Can you get their drops, or are you just killing for spite?

Either way, that's a kick in the pants.

[HijiriOni]

Your doing the player a favor if he knows you killed it, finds the body, and gets the drops.

You however are under the same restrictions as a blue phantom when you invade as a black phantom.

In the words of the great Willy Wonka
"YOU GET NOTHING, GOOD DAY SIR"

[Sandros_]

This is the thread creator speaking,

Thank you all for your lovely comments, and for keeping this thread going. Some very interesting feedback has been put forth, but there is one point in particular I wish to respond to.

Video games are media, and media by definition is something for the public. Once it is created, it is immediately and instantly for an audience, and nothing else. So whatever ideas the author/creator/artist had about what his work was supposed to be or inspire become instantly moot once the work is given over to the masses. What media is to the author has absolutely nothing to do with how it is received by the general public. Stop.

With that said, do not speak "evar" about how I should "play" a game. I could give a flying f**k what the game designers had in mind for my personal experience when they created this masterpiece. I paid my $65, I'll do whatever in the blue f**k I want to with this merchandise. period.

So, to get back on topic and bring an close to this vicious rant, I would like to conclude by saying, that I have not only continued to cheat at Demon's Souls by quitting on Black Phantoms, I have also started to bring a scraping spear along with me so as to completely destroy a players armor before I go. :) I enjoy leaving idiots with something they can bring back to the nexus. Further, I've started sending condescending messages of hate to invaders such as; "give up", "you FAILS", and my personal favorite, "you'll never be faster than my reset button... :]".

Hey kids, you play your way, and I'll play mine :)

Thanks all,

- Janie <3


I wish your save file get corupted.

[MisoSowee]

Useless banter.

Immature adolescents will be immature adolescents.

Guess it'll be unavoidable in the end.

[Delition]

What part of "don't feed the god damn trolls" don't you people seem to understand? I'm honestly surprised this thread wasn't closed a while ago, as it seems to me that the topic creator was just out to rile some feathers; nothing more, nothing less.

[jedbeetle]

This is the thread creator speaking,

Thank you all for your lovely comments, and for keeping this thread going. Some very interesting feedback has been put forth, but there is one point in particular I wish to respond to.

Video games are media, and media by definition is something for the public. Once it is created, it is immediately and instantly for an audience, and nothing else. So whatever ideas the author/creator/artist had about what his work was supposed to be or inspire become instantly moot once the work is given over to the masses. What media is to the author has absolutely nothing to do with how it is received by the general public. Stop.

With that said, do not speak "evar" about how I should "play" a game. I could give a flying f**k what the game designers had in mind for my personal experience when they created this masterpiece. I paid my $65, I'll do whatever in the blue f**k I want to with this merchandise. period.

So, to get back on topic and bring an close to this vicious rant, I would like to conclude by saying, that I have not only continued to cheat at Demon's Souls by quitting on Black Phantoms, I have also started to bring a scraping spear along with me so as to completely destroy a players armor before I go. :) I enjoy leaving idiots with something they can bring back to the nexus. Further, I've started sending condescending messages of hate to invaders such as; "give up", "you FAILS", and my personal favorite, "you'll never be faster than my reset button... :]".

Hey kids, you play your way, and I'll play mine :)

Thanks all,

- Janie <3
You're cheating.
At a video game.
What's more, you're violating the very agreement that you click "OK" to every time you log on to the servers.

But hey, you're right. Quitting is still withing the boundaries of things you can do. And if it makes you feel good, more power to ya.
But that doesn't make you any kind of hero.

Nasty messages and scraping spear? fine. Yay. That's fun.

Resetting?

Pansy. You're not tricking anyone, beating any system, ruining anyone's day. You're just showing people that you're a wimp.

At this point, I really don't care when people quit.
If there's a "good" reason for it - like you're FREAKED OUT about world tendency or something, then whatever.

I have people quit on me all the time. It doesn't make me angry. It doesn't get my goat. It just leaves me with a "meh" feeling.
And if that's how you want to play the game, fine. But coming here and rubbing it in our faces like we give a crap?

You're just another one of many people who don't have the guts to play the game like it's meant to be played.

[HijiriOni]

Sigh...nothing to do with the whole troll or this topic at this point, I'm just greatly tired of hearing something like "You just don't want to play the game like it was meant to be played"

If invasion was a requirement of the game you wouldn't be able to commit suicide in the nexus, you also would be required to play online, both to insure you do get invaded.

Invasion is a part of the game, and a part some people enjoy greatly but it's not "meant" to be anything other then a part for some people to enjoy. Others do not enjoy it and telling them "There playing wrong" is like sitting down to blackjack and telling them their playing it wrong because it isn't poker.

[Penguin_Ass]

I actually sympathize to some degree with the OP because like her I (A) hate being invaded rampantly, and (B) across three separate characters and four full play throughs I have never once invaded another person's game. Ever. Quite simply, if you're not good enough to get your body back by fighting a boss, you're not good enough to play this game at all. Maybe the title screen, but nothing beyond that.

I realize that some of you actually enjoy invading others and challenging them. Part of me understands this and actually respects it. The rest of me hates you for all the times I've been on the phone with a buddy trying to orchestrate a co-op session and as we're discussing where to put our Blue-Eye Stones, someone warps in and Firestorms me from behind. #### that noise.

Invasions would be better implemented with some further restrictions on them. For example, you have to be "X" percentage of the way through the level (invisible checkpoint, perhaps) in order to be open to invasion. I logged out at the 2-1 Archstone one night, woke back up the next morning and logged back in. I literally did not have time to take one step and I was invaded. I was hit the SECOND I logged back in. Insane. I hadn't even seen the first enemy yet...

Another time I was in 4-2 and suffered three invasions in under 10 minutes. I never got past the first fog barrier before having to run back and deal with some asswipe who wanted to help himself to my body. All three of them were humiliated in sound fashion, for the record. Especially the mage. God, that was funny...

Either way, invasions are part of the game, and like it or not they happen. I wouldn't pull the plug on an invader; I'd just play offline if I were desperate not to get pwned. But from now on, I'm going to be a dick to you guys that pester me. I'm never leaving the Nexus without my Scraping Spear and Acid Cloud. Even if you win you're going to pay out every soul you earn just to fix your armor, douchebags. As I see it, in that case the bragging rights still go to the loser.

[Jerry-Boyle]

Sigh...nothing to do with the whole troll or this topic at this point, I'm just greatly tired of hearing something like "You just don't want to play the game like it was meant to be played"

If invasion was a requirement of the game you wouldn't be able to commit suicide in the nexus, you also would be required to play online, both to insure you do get invaded.

Invasion is a part of the game, and a part some people enjoy greatly but it's not "meant" to be anything other then a part for some people to enjoy. Others do not enjoy it and telling them "There playing wrong" is like sitting down to blackjack and telling them their playing it wrong because it isn't poker.
Well then the people who don't want to play that part can play offline, cause playing online will obviously open you up to that part of the game and sicne your doing that to yourself you shouldn't complain about it. That's what happens, the game can't determine if you like or dislike the game mechanic of invasions. So either stay offline or nut up and shut up:) Had to say it haha

[Dominions]

Video games are media, and media by definition is something for the public. Once it is created, it is immediately and instantly for an audience, and nothing else. So whatever ideas the author/creator/artist had about what his work was supposed to be or inspire become instantly moot once the work is given over to the masses. What media is to the author has absolutely nothing to do with how it is received by the general public. Stop.

With that said, do not speak "evar" about how I should "play" a game. I could give a flying f**k what the game designers had in mind for my personal experience when they created this masterpiece. I paid my $65, I'll do whatever in the blue f**k I want to with this merchandise. period.

I'm sorry but this is the most self-centered load of crap I've ever seen.

Basically, this is you: I PAID MY TEN BUCKS FOR THIS THEATER TICKET. THE MOVIE IS TOO SCARY FOR ME SO I'M GONNA GO TO THE PROJECTOR BOOTH AND TURN IT OFF NOW AND THEN POST ON THE INTERNET "F**K ALL YOU STUPID BOYS WHO THINK FILMS LIKE THIS ARE FUN."

Ruining the creator's intended experience for yourself by playing offline is sad but totally acceptable. Going online for the sole purpose of getting invaded and wasting another player's time is just being a bi+ch. It's doubly true since the invading player doesn't have a choice whose game they end up in. Even if you made yourself famous as a miserable killjoy it's not like people could just opt not to get stuck with you.

EDIT: _Ass, you can blame specific maps for being invasion-happy... not so much the players all trying to invade there. There are a lot of places that are really high-risk for the attacker or just damned hard to find the player in. Again, it's not like some dude is targeting you specifically when they show up within seconds of your entering the area. I got revived in 4-1 after helping someone as a blue phantom and had to kill three invaders before I could use the archstone to get back to the Nexus and spend my souls leveling up.

[unrenowned]

Isn't the miracle Banish made for this exact purpose?

[Dominions]

Isn't the miracle Banish made for this exact purpose?

If someone's so entitled that they can't compromise on using soul form and (supposing they need it, I don't) Cling Ring to avoid PvP entirely I don't see how you would sell them on a miracle where they have to get invaded in the first place and then cast the spell successfully with someone trying to attack them.

[tyrannisauce]

You know not all of us black phantoms are bad. I enjoy getting owned as much as i like killing other players. pvp is fun. I suggest you grow a pair.

[jedbeetle]

Quite simply, if you're not good enough to get your body back by fighting a boss, you're not good enough to play this game at all. Maybe the title screen, but nothing beyond that.

The rest of me hates you for all the times I've been on the phone with a buddy trying to orchestrate a co-op session and as we're discussing where to put our Blue-Eye Stones, someone warps in and Firestorms me from behind. #### that noise.

Invasions would be better implemented with some further restrictions on them....I literally did not have time to take one step and I was invaded. I was hit the SECOND I logged back in. Insane. I hadn't even seen the first enemy yet...

All three of them were humiliated in sound fashion, for the record. Especially the mage. God, that was funny...

I'm never leaving the Nexus without my Scraping Spear and Acid Cloud. Even if you win you're going to pay out every soul you earn just to fix your armor, douchebags. As I see it, in that case the bragging rights still go to the loser.

1 ) Fighting a player is more fun and challenging that fighting most of the bosses in this game, especially if you've already fought them all multiple times.

2 ) Be more careful when you orchestrate co-op. I always do it without a hitch because I'm careful.

3 ) There is always about a 30 second delay before an invasion happens. So that third paragraph, while interesting, is an exaggeration.

4 ) Dying as a black phantom to a living player is not humiliating. It is, for many, par for the course.

5 ) Black Phantoms do not earn souls by killing body players. By breaking their armor you're forcing them to use souls earned by other means. Again, acid could, scraping spear = par for the course.

[Penguin_Ass]

1 ) Fighting a player is more fun and challenging that fighting most of the bosses in this game, especially if you've already fought them all multiple times.

It's also a form of harassment, given how frequently you get invaded in some levels. Once per level at most would be a good cap. Beyond that it's just infuriating. If I want you in my game, I'll summon you.

2 ) Be more careful when you orchestrate co-op. I always do it without a hitch because I'm careful.

It wasn't my fault. My buddy wasn't at all clear about where he dropped his stone, and we had some stupid run-around I was sorting through with him. I was still at the Archstone when I got invaded. Who the hell invades world 3, anyway? Seriously!

3 ) There is always about a 30 second delay before an invasion happens. So that third paragraph, while interesting, is an exaggeration.

It wasn't an exaggeration. There's a 30 second delay before they show up, but your Archstones shut down and passages get blocked by fog barriers long before the enemy appears. I logged in, clicked the Archstone and got the message: You cannot leave during multiplayer. Or something to that extent. It was that fast.

4 ) Dying as a black phantom to a living player is not humiliating. It is, for many, par for the course.

Way to successfully get your body back. That's so much faster than just shooting arrows at Leechmonger, isn't it?

[Dominions]

It's also a form of harassment, given how frequently you get invaded in some levels. Once per level at most would be a good cap. Beyond that it's just infuriating. If I want you in my game, I'll summon you.

Oh no you won't. That's what's special about Demon's Souls multiplayer PvP, you have to be constantly on guard instead of giving your permission etc. It's one of the game's main features, considering how much red tape From had to fight through to get their product approved for PSN. If you like the game enough to play despite invasions, just organize better. Get all your messaging done in Nexus at the very least.

It wasn't my fault. My buddy wasn't at all clear about where he dropped his stone, and we had some stupid run-around I was sorting through with him. I was still at the Archstone when I got invaded. Who the hell invades world 3, anyway? Seriously!

You could have handled the situation easily if you were prepared, and you should have been prepared. I mean geez you can run behind the archstone and been in position to backstab the BP, could have cast Banish from around the corner, used Graverobber's Ring and hid while he took off looking for you. The problem comes when people have this mindset that invaders are somehow not a real part of the game.

Also what was your plan in case your buddy got summoned to fight for the Old Monk? I hope he wasn't just going to quit and deny the other player a proper boss for the level. You know the Monk can and will grab anyone phantom trying to co-op, invade, duel.

Way to successfully get your body back. That's so much faster than just shooting arrows at Leechmonger, isn't it?

... maybe some people just enjoy PvP, is that somehow not a legitimate point of view?

[Penguin_Ass]

I've learned a few lessons since then, don't worry. These days I keep tons of extra gear on me at all times, and never leave home while online without spells specifically to aid during phantom fights. Then again, my character level is now in the range where I really don't have to worry much about invasions, which is kind of nice.

But once I start the game over after finally getting my platinum trophy, I'll be far more careful about things like this. And, odds are that next time I play, my brother and I will fully co-op the entire game, start to finish, so anyone invading will always have 2 of us to deal with.

[pktazn]

Hmmmm... I've seen this thread but haven't actualy responded to it. Also, girl gamers forever! But anyway...

First off, yes, it can be annoying to be invaded when you're just trying to get through the level. Hell, I was invaded 5-7 times yesterday just trying to get to the boss in 4-2. I didn't really care until one of them showed up with a scraping spear and proceeded to destroy all my equipment except for my northern reg. Honestly, I don't know if they freaked out because I was still fighting after everything was destroyed because I eventually won, but then after that I got invaded again. It was pretty annoying getting invaded when I was just trying to leave but hey, I expected that level of invasion in 4-2, so I won went back and used all those delicious souls to repair and even had enough to buy some crap.

But you know what? That was one of the funnest times I've had playing Demon's Souls. Just because you have never invaded doesn't mean that you should be immune to invaders, it's part of the game. Just take it in stride and have fun instead of stressing every time a BP invades. Everyone is different but you shouldn't ruin someone else's experience just because you don't like it.

I know some people PvP for the fun of it Penguin, so it's not so much as getting their body back (which is just a plus but half the time they just suicide and PvP some more) but for the fun of actually going against another person. The game only goes so far in challenge, as in once you get the patterns they're easy, so going against another person is something fresh and new.

[Penguin_Ass]

Three words:

Red Eye Stone

[pktazn]

Some don't realize how to get the Red Eye Stone or that they can get it.

[jedbeetle]

Some don't realize how to get the Red Eye Stone or that they can get it.
Also, losing in a red eye stone battle loses you a soul level.
And there's no hunt, no tension. Part of the great fun of invading/being invaded is how unpredictable it is.
What we need to do, instead of trying to convince quitters that they are annoying pansy fools, is start a new thread entitled "How to really stick it to invaders without cheating"

[pktazn]

I know right? It doesn't do any good calling others "cheaters" when they're really just trying to enjoy and/or get through the game... even though I berated them in my other post. :[

Also... poison cloud does wonders in PvP, though it is cheating in a way. I only use it when I see they have a scraping spear though. Anything else it's a battle to the death with the equipment I have.

[Dominions]

Three words:

Red Eye Stone

Every other game sets up their fights like that... you sign in and agree and pick the option from the menu and configure your matchmaking choices... it was awesome until some time in october when Demon's Souls came out and was 100 times better.

Starting the instant I enter an area in human form I have to be on top of my game because someone could come after me at a moment's notice. I don't have to agree or allow them to attack. I've got to be focused on what I'm doing in the area instead of messaging my friends, getting a refill on my drink, poking around in my inventory trying to decide which pair of rings I should have on... and it doesn't matter that I'm in a level I could do with a rapier and dagger using nothing but Ripostes; I've got to be ready for things to get hardcore at a moment's notice.

Even without an invader showing up it's already so much more intense than anything short of the first playthrough in a new horror game... and when someone DOES show up, it can turn what would otherwise be a cookie-cutter tour of the level completely upside down if they manage to conceal themselves somewhere near a dangerous fight.

As an invader, hunting another player is thrilling. How can I track them down in this huge area without being discovered first? How would they try and defend against me? Every corner could conceal a warrior or caster set to own me, or maybe I'm going the wrong way and the guy is closing in on my back with a dagger... then sometimes after all that you see the little red flame from Avarice floating all on its own near a ledge and pretend not to notice until you're in position to quickly hit it with a sprinting shield bash. Moments like those are precious.

If you don't like that aspect of the game, there are easy ways to duck out of it. Please use one instead of trying to take a crap on what makes this game actually good.

[tyrannisauce]

I agree with dom. BP's are a part of the game. And a part of my leveling strategy. I purposely go in certain levels with my body to be invaded. They make it more fun for me personally. Especially when they're clever or sneaky. Pvp in this game is a thrilling game of cat and mouse. It really depends on the player which role he takes. If i die, oops its my turn to be a bp and give other people an chance at a load of souls when i die - course i try to at least make em work for it.

[Penguin_Ass]

I never took a crap on the PvP elements of DS. I just think it needs more structure, and some limitations. Being invaded exactly at the start of a level, for example, is unfair because you haven't had time to fight anything at all. So what are your options? You camp the Archstone and wait for the phantom, because if you leave the area he'll just backstab you while you're fighting a half-dozen miners or lightning-fast skeleton.

And that, my friends, is just retarded.

[jedbeetle]

I never took a crap on the PvP elements of DS. I just think it needs more structure, and some limitations. Being invaded exactly at the start of a level, for example, is unfair because you haven't had time to fight anything at all. So what are your options? You camp the Archstone and wait for the phantom, because if you leave the area he'll just backstab you while you're fighting a half-dozen miners or lightning-fast skeleton.

And that, my friends, is just retarded.

The current format is what makes DS unique and is totally in the spirit of the game. I really hope that FROM doesn't listen to people like you, should they make a sequel...I would concede that, maybe it would be nice to give a player at least 2 minutes in a level before allowing invasions, except that I don't really agree with this. I love being invaded the instant I enter a level. gets my blood pumping!

Most levels aren't that challenging after you know them. Throwing a player into a mix of enemies? That's good times. Besides, you should expect to die in this game (how's that dead horse?)

I would also like recommend that players invade areas AFTER fog barriers, since you spawn somewhere else....

[Dominions]

I never took a crap on the PvP elements of DS. I just think it needs more structure, and some limitations. Being invaded exactly at the start of a level, for example, is unfair because you haven't had time to fight anything at all. So what are your options? You camp the Archstone and wait for the phantom, because if you leave the area he'll just backstab you while you're fighting a half-dozen miners or lightning-fast skeleton.

And that, my friends, is just retarded.

That situation is the invader's worst nightmare though... they're virtually guaranteed an axe between the buttcheeks right as they show up, and worse if phantoms are on the way.
I always invade after the first fog gate if possible to reduce the chance of being DOA, it's just common sense.

[Winger]

With that said, do not speak "evar" about how I should "play" a game. I could give a flying f**k what the game designers had in mind for my personal experience when they created this masterpiece. I paid my $65, I'll do whatever in the blue f**k I want to with this merchandise. period.

When the game was released it was released with options to cater to both crowds. If you don't want to face invaders there is a the choice to play offline, or to play as a soul. If you do want the element of invaders to be present then play online with your body intact.

It's a fair way to give us a choice, without hampering the player vs player element of the game which is a huge part of this particular puzzle. I think Dominions put forth a fantastic summary which highlights the benefits of the current set-up. The one area where I see their being a problem is when a player (in body form) goes online to invite a friend (in soul form) to enjoy the co-op side of things. If neither is in the mood for anything other than PvE then they are relying on fate to deal them a break.

Either way, invasions are part of the game, and like it or not they happen. I wouldn't pull the plug on an invader; I'd just play offline if I were desperate not to get pwned. But from now on, I'm going to be a dick to you guys that pester me. I'm never leaving the Nexus without my Scraping Spear and Acid Cloud. Even if you win you're going to pay out every soul you earn just to fix your armor, douchebags. As I see it, in that case the bragging rights still go to the loser.

I believe I would be of a similar ilk to yourself. If someone has chosen to invade my game, they've made a hostile decision to attempt and ruin my days adventuring, so I'm going to make sure they suffer, be it via hitting the dirt from defeat, or by having their armor destroyed via the Scraping Spear as they dispatch my character to the afterlife.

It may be looked at as a petty tactic but, it is one I accept anytime I may decide to invade another players game. It is not for the host to make my life any easier when I have choosen to try and scalp them. I may secure victory, or I may be handed a beating for my troubles, but, whatever the outcome I accept that I may well be heading home with a few badly beat up items that have seen better days. It's the risk of battle. But I may not use such a tactic should the invader be a worthy opponent who leaves their own cheaper tactics at home. You reap what you sow, as they say.

Anytime I really cannot be bothered with it all there is offline mode and leaving my body behind. I like the set-up, at least in theory as I have yet to get my hands on the game. I haven't looked forward to a game this much in a long time.

[HijiriOni]

Theres points for both sides, some people really enjoy pvp, some people hate it, some people don't care either way.

I've allready said I'm one of the people who hate pvp, I also do not believe this game was intended for pvp, it's merely an aspect that's added in (imo poorly) for people to enjoy. Those of us who don't enjoy it shouldn't be forced to.

I enjoy playing with friends and killing bosses, if I play offline I can't play with friends, if I play in soul form and join a game that gets invaded, and get killed by the invader, I lose a SL, I also cannot progress the game this way. If I play in body form to play with friends I have to put up with obnoxious invaders.

I myself just want an option that says "I hate being invaded leave me the hell alone I don't give a rats ass if your a friend'y black phantom" that allows me to progress the story and summon friends.

What I don't get is why all the people who enjoy pvp are defending this mechanic against the people who hate pvp. If your doing it "For the Challenge" or "For Fun" wouldn't you be better at getting that from playing with people who also wish to partake in the pvp? Rather then forcing it on people like myself who absolutely hate pvp?

I can't argue in favor of the red eye stone because almost no one uses it like it was meant to be used. Most people summon up 2 friends with firestorm or anti-magic and basically kill the red eye user as soon as they enter the game...it's seen as "I want to reduce my SL and give you free souls" rather then "Lets see who can beat down the other in a fair fight?"

[jedbeetle]

I don't understand why people hate PvP. I mean, the campaign and level design are fantastic, but there's not much lasting value there in terms of challenge. I can sort of understand if you're just interested in PvE co-op, that's fun stuff, but after a point, isn't it just predictable?

Also, If you like playing with friends, I'd think you'd love PvP, since teaming up on an invader with a buddy is totally sweet, and you can get tons of souls killing invaders.

Even if you get killed by an invader, it's just a chance to play through the level again, and that's fun, right? If your blue phantom dies, it's not much trouble to re-summon.

I mean, why not just look at it as something to get better at dealing with? Just another challenge for you and your friends, something to consider when you're upgrading weapons, picking stats, and such? Or a reason to take world tendency into consideration - playing in white tendency makes most invaders sad, since their character tendency is probably pretty dark.

It can be scary, maybe even just annoying, to be invaded by a black phantom, but the worst that can happen, dying, isn't really that bad. And think of how good it'd feel to be able to take out any invader with flawless co-op strategy...

Or carry banish on you if you're that upset by it. Consider it a small concession.

[HijiriOni]

Some of the things you said are exactly my point

I don't like "dealing with it," it isn't perfect, it could definately use improvements.

I played diablo 2 for hours on end even having maxed out my character, learned how to fight all the bosses to the point that they we're just predictable. But I hated pvp there too.

It's mostly the fact that I don't have a "choice" in it in this game that causes me to hate it with a passion. The less choice or option I have on something I don't want, the more openly rebellious I am of it.

Going back to Diablo 2, yeah someone can enter my game and go hostile on me...but I could always just leave the game, or stand in town, hell I could even just go into some random weird area where they couldn't find me.

I wouldn't hate it at all in this game If I had a choice on it (and I don't mean offline/soul form).

I also don't want to be "forced" into carrying spells I don't want or like because I "have" to put up with pvp.

You could even compare that to casino games like poker...one table might be playing texas holdem, one table might be playing the more traditional poker. If I don't like one I can always play the other. I'm not forced to play one, or either for that matter, I could go play blackjack...but when you boil it down your still playing a card game, that you "chose" to play.

I never chose to be invaded, I never choose who I pvp against. The only "choices" I get in the pvp aspects (and their small choices) is what area, and what allies I may or may not have.

A final point, if the game had something like "PvP Server" or some other way of joining a pvp area at the start, and the black eye stone was gone completely...would you be saying "Boy I wish I had a way to join the games of other people who don't want me there just so I could kill them" or would you go play in the pvp area and not even notice?

You wouldn't notice, and you wouldn't request it, your defending something that doesn't need defending and could easily be improved upon. FROM even said most of this game was "experimental". That's a nice way of saying "Yeah we could improve on it"

[Gamefanatic]

Well then the people who don't want to play that part can play offline, cause playing online will obviously open you up to that part of the game and since your doing that to yourself you shouldn't complain about it.

It's amazing how many people that are complaining don't just do what the great Jerry Boyle has stated. :) It really is as simple as he puts it, no need for further discussion on the topic. :yawn:

[pktazn]

I know right? Really, from what I've been reading I've noticed the only real problem is that people don't like being invaded without their permission and they want a choice of whether or not to be invaded.

IMO it kinda undermines the whole thing of being invaded (I mean... look at definition of the word) but that request makes sense if all they want to do is play the game. But there's no real reason to keep discussing it because people who like it will still like it and people who hate it will still hate it.

[Dominions]

I've allready said I'm one of the people who hate pvp, I also do not believe this game was intended for pvp, it's merely an aspect that's added in (imo poorly) for people to enjoy. Those of us who don't enjoy it shouldn't be forced to.

I enjoy playing with friends and killing bosses, if I play offline I can't play with friends, if I play in soul form and join a game that gets invaded, and get killed by the invader, I lose a SL, I also cannot progress the game this way. If I play in body form to play with friends I have to put up with obnoxious invaders.

Demon's Souls isn't the only videogame in existence. Every other current action-RPG has which two of the following?
a) Bosses
b) Playing with friends
c) Invasion PvP

If you don't like the one thing that makes Demon's Souls unique go play something else instead of griefing the people who actually enjoy this game.

Also blues don't lose SL when an invader gets them. They do lose all their souls on-hand... which is in fact the only possible way for a blue phantom to lose souls. Just jump off a cliff when your host gets invaded, you show up back in your game far richer. Don't let all those 'D' ratings on your online record get you down.

What I don't get is why all the people who enjoy pvp are defending this mechanic against the people who hate pvp. If your doing it "For the Challenge" or "For Fun" wouldn't you be better at getting that from playing with people who also wish to partake in the pvp? Rather then forcing it on people like myself who absolutely hate pvp?

See above. If someone's online and in body form they wish to partake in PvP. You agreed to the game's online features in the click-through when you logged in to the server. Not just co-op and bloodstains and messages.

I don't get this kind of attitude that the multiplayer infrastructure in Demon's Souls was just conjured out of thin air by some retard who didn't consider friend lists and fairness or consent for PvP. God damn it, even From Software's other games have all of that normal online infrastructure. Demon's Souls has all this crap you hate BY DESIGN, not because of incompetence and nobody's holding you at gunpoint to play it instead of the heap of other fantasy RPGs with online co-op and arena-style vs modes.

You wouldn't notice, and you wouldn't request it, your defending something that doesn't need defending and could easily be improved upon. FROM even said most of this game was "experimental". That's a nice way of saying "Yeah we could improve on it"

Actually by "experimental" they mean that they don't know how popular it would be because of the intentional decision to avoid friend lists and allow invasion. As stated before From Software knows how to code a boring normal infrastructure... see Crome Hounds, Armored Core, etc.

Chrome Hounds actually had a cool "experimental" voice chat feature: your team could only hear you speak if you were within the area covered by whatever communications network you had set up at the time. Then Live introduced Party Chat and completely screwed that aspect of the game since you could communicate outside of the game's control. That may be part of the reason we're playing Demon's Souls on PS3, no cross-game chat to screw up the silent phantom encounters.

[silvain]

I don't understand why people hate PvP. I mean, the campaign and level design are fantastic, but there's not much lasting value there in terms of challenge. I can sort of understand if you're just interested in PvE co-op, that's fun stuff, but after a point, isn't it just predictable?

I have a confession to make. I don't like purely competitive play. I haven't liked it for years. Frankly, I got tired of it after Street Fighter Alpha 3. Most people are jerks about the whole thing, too. I don't like the trash talk, I don't like where my psyche goes in the whole thing, and I don't like the weird superiority game that goes along with the pvp pecking order.

I love to play coop, or even four swords style coop with light competition, but this game won't let me do what I would like most (don't have banish, yet). So I'm stuck playing without coop, which is kind of a drag.

Anyway, I like playing the professionally designed levels more than PvP, and when that loses its value, then I move to the next game. I don't need infinite replayability; I have a huge backlog of games.

[HijiriOni]

Same goes for me. I've actually got my 80$ (bought collectors edition) worth of play allready, now I'm trying to get my 2nd platinum trophy on this game. My first was on Infamous. I'm only 1 trophy away from platinum on RE5 but I just don't have the interest to get it. After I get the platinum I'll move on to something like Assassins Creed or Dragon Age...or whatever else picks my fancy.

I just have high standards, I'm also extremely picky. It's why I hate games like Halo, and I only got Street Fighter 4 (albeit for only 15$) because I loved the game back when I was 9. All in all though the game was definately worth every penny. My complaints almost completely stim from the multiplayer system, and that can be circumvented for the most part. Gameplay AWESOME, Graphics GREAT, Giant intimidating bosses that make ya feel AWESOME when you win YA it has that.

I've never played Chrome Hounds, but Armored Core: For Answer is atrocious for co-op, it has basically no point, and way to much requirements. Have to beat the level (both people), can't obtain rewards or ranks, and because your required to beat the level you can't get help on it.

I've also never said that the system is terrible, it's a great concept, it's just not to my fancy and I believe it could have improvements. This isn't the first game you had to "hunt your prey" in...just go play any FPS game (even ones dating back to Doom 1) in multiplayer and low-man games. Some aspects of it could be combined with some aspects of other games to make it great...Hell this could EASILY be solved with something like the revival stone. A limited use, relatively hard to obtain item that prevents invasion for a certain amount of time, with how random invasions are you may just end up wasting it for the "comfort" of not being invaded when no one actually invaded you. Doesn't take up spell slots, so it doesn't force a re-setup of your character changing from physical/spirit form either.

It is unique, but unique doesn't mean "good" or "perfect" it's just simply unique. I wager if they make a demon's souls 2 you'll see some changes to it, better or worse I'll put money on it that it won't work exactly the same.

The things I'd like to see in a DS2 would be "more world exploration" "more impact on the world/ending based on your actions" ...having the final ending determined between 2 endings at the very ending with no influence on any actions you took before was kinda weak. "More Character Development" this could include the bosses cause I still can't figure out how the adjudicator put his own sword into his stomach (my only theory involves rolling a 1) and of course "Improvements to the multiplayer system"

[Schlomo985]

Trying to get 5 posts in to make a new thread sorry for the interuption.

[Schlomo985]

2 more posts to go.

[Schlomo985]

ok 5th post sorry for the useless crap on to make my thread :)

[neonewtype]

I also Don't always apprecieate being invaded by black phantoms, but I dont find it that big of a deal. I just play in Soul Form and equip the Cling Ring. that way I still have over 75% of my hp.

Then when you do die in soul form there's no real consequence anyways. (to WT atleast)

[Dominions]

I've never played Chrome Hounds, but Armored Core: For Answer is atrocious for co-op, it has basically no point, and way to much requirements. Have to beat the level (both people), can't obtain rewards or ranks, and because your required to beat the level you can't get help on it.

Actually you can obtain mission ranks and rank-related rewards on ACFA co-op, even though the disclaimer states otherwise. I have no clue why that is, but it sped up getting my wall-to-wall S ranks in Hard. Game-accomplishments aside, it's just a lot of fun.

But my point is that the developer had previously made games where you CAN lock your multiplayer down to friend lists and you MUST deliberately opt in for PvP. This is different on purpose. Also I'd love to see something similar added to Armored Core where players can accept mission requests to assist or confront an active player in an area.

Hell this could EASILY be solved with something like the revival stone. A limited use, relatively hard to obtain item that prevents invasion for a certain amount of time, with how random invasions are you may just end up wasting it for the "comfort" of not being invaded when no one actually invaded you. Doesn't take up spell slots, so it doesn't force a re-setup of your character changing from physical/spirit form either.

... the "comfort" you're talking about runs counter to the whole point of adding invasion to the game. It's a much better compromise than opt-in PvP like Red Stone but it's a compromise where I think none should be allowed.

It is unique, but unique doesn't mean "good" or "perfect" it's just simply unique. I wager if they make a demon's souls 2 you'll see some changes to it, better or worse I'll put money on it that it won't work exactly the same.

The things I'd like to see in a DS2 would be "more world exploration" "more impact on the world/ending based on your actions" ...having the final ending determined between 2 endings at the very ending with no influence on any actions you took before was kinda weak. "More Character Development" this could include the bosses cause I still can't figure out how the adjudicator put his own sword into his stomach (my only theory involves rolling a 1) and of course "Improvements to the multiplayer system"

I doubt we'll see a sequel, except maybe in spirit. Really great games never get one.

If one came along the first thing I would want is an even wider selection and more realism in the arms and armor, a few fighting stances for each kind of weapon (held high, to the side, low, reversed, katana sheathed, etc) even if they boil down to some pretty simple stats tradeoffs (power, speed, reach, guard %, impossible to parry) ... like a medieval combat equivalent to Way of the Samurai or Gran Turismo for ridiculous level of attention to real-world detail. I'd like to see the bosses retain their variety but try to deepen the mix of puzzle solving, fighting, and the amount of "story" in each.
Dragon God is like pure puzzle solving with a very token fight and no story. Why's it there?
Astrea, all story (awesome) and not really much of a fight from Garl.
Flamelurker is like 110% fighting, I actually wouldn't mind adding some puzzle stuff and maybe knowing what the hell he's doing there.

[HijiriOni]

I could agree with some extra adjustments like that. Iajutsu is a fun combat style for katanas and it's kinda saddened that they didn't have a sheath and "attack from sheathed" option.

There is rumor of a sequel, but the rumor is basically the director of this game saying "If the company approves it I'm all over it"

The game definately needs some armor enhancements...NG+ it's still semi-useful against bosses with enough VIT and it's useful against BP invaders, but all I hear from higher up NG++s is that it becomes almost nothing but cosmetic. It might just need an "adjustment against monsters" only.

Speaking of "Way of the Samurai" you play 3 yet? I didn't like 1 much and I skipped 2, but I'm curious about 3.

[Dominions]

Yeah, I got WotS3 on release day... I never played 1 or 2 but I'm having a good time with the game.

Actually it's a lot like Demon's Souls in terms of length and replayability from groundhog-day style replays of the same scenario under different conditions. It borders on hilarious the number of ways to play through all the social situations in each game. I've gone through in conditions ranging from "draw sword immediately in every cutscene" to "be the most subservient boot-licking toadie ever" with a lot of fun results though the game's not so hot at handling every eventuality.

[Hahalo]

ok 5th post sorry for the useless crap on to make my thread :)

Dude no offense, but your consider spamming..

[Mattardo]

ok 5th post sorry for the useless crap on to make my thread :)

Dude no offense, but your consider spamming..

I assumed he was a Forum Black Phantom - invading over and over...

[Pieter]

I acctually sort of agree with you.

I hate the black phantom invaders, though I never DC on purpose if one invades my game.

and I too have never invaded another persons game.

my problem is that I just don't like competitive games. I'd rather gain a little by helping someone then to gain a lot by making someone else feel bad.

'annoying' black phantom invaders that kill me with cheap tactics can expect a sarcastic 'thank you' message.

[sophie-ann]

I care not how an invader fights. If they wish to use weapons some call annoying, thats up to them.


Perhaps a little less crying and a little more trying. Seriously I have not seen a game that caused so many people to shed so many tears.

[sophie-ann]

What does that mean Jeff, go on please elaborate.

[Thaumogenesis]

I was uber nervous when i got invaded for the first time. I died a couple of times and certainly paid the souls lol. but these days i simply switch to the Large Sword of Moonlight or Cleaver and its pretty much "mission accomplished" ;)

Never invaded a game myself so far though :<

[sanjo900]

I care not how an invader fights. If they wish to use weapons some call annoying, thats up to them.


Perhaps a little less crying and a little more trying. Seriously I have not seen a game that caused so many people to shed so many tears.

I can name several game with A LOT more cry babies than this little game xD