Noob question

[ICE PICK]

can someone define "direct hit" for me....i cannot figure out this masters ring

ive used my bow, ive backstabed, ive hit with lock on, ive hit without lock on, ive punched....no matter what i do the damage is the exact same with the thing on or off i cannot figure this ring out

[wilson_seijuro]

perhaps better accuracy on attacks? lol i dunno im still a lil baby nub :(

[ICE PICK]

what a waste....i think i just figured it out, when you have them off balance and you hit them....lol like i need a ring to get me a 1 hit kill or even any dmg bonus when that happens

[DedEmbryonicCell]

can someone define "direct hit" for me....i cannot figure out this masters ring

ive used my bow, ive backstabed, ive hit with lock on, ive hit without lock on, ive punched....no matter what i do the damage is the exact same with the thing on or off i cannot figure this ring out

Sorry can't help you with the question .. lol.

Just wondering if your name is based on Jamey Jasta's other band Ice Pick?

[Hahalo]

I tested it with backstab, normal hit, doesn't seems to work.

[Syra]

I don't know for certain, but I believe it likely refers to a "sweet spot" of sorts. The best way to see this, is to use the Dragon Bone Smasher, or Great Sword, as they have a lot of splash damage. They only do about half as much if you graze your foe, versus landing the actual blade on them. The latter would likely be considered a direct hit. Now how this applies to each individual weapon, I am unaware, and I've not gone through and tested the Master's Ring. Suffice to say, this is all assumption, but I've yet to run into anything else which could apply at this time.

Backstabs and Ripostes are generally considered Critical hits, and are covered by the Fatal upgrade path, so I wouldn't expect the term to suddenly shift for the Master's Ring, leading me to believe they are not the direct hits. Eh, it's something that needs serious testing. I've never found anything conclusive to define the term.

[ICE PICK]

can someone define "direct hit" for me....i cannot figure out this masters ring

ive used my bow, ive backstabed, ive hit with lock on, ive hit without lock on, ive punched....no matter what i do the damage is the exact same with the thing on or off i cannot figure this ring out

Sorry can't help you with the question .. lol.

Just wondering if your name is based on Jamey Jasta's other band Ice Pick?

sitting around 1 night with some friends messing around just bsing with eachother we got on to violence and weapons and i came with a very brutal indepth set up with one involving kidneys eyeballs throat ect and a ice pick.....thus my new nickname was pick....it carried over to gaming.....it started in the SOCOM 2 daysthat used to be the only game i would play until they ran the series into the ground......but a while back someone was telling me about the band and i did go check them out, its not exactly my style of music but i do really like their stuff and tend to put their stuff on sometimes while messing around on the comp....im more of Jadakiss, Hed PE, Hollywood undead type stuff

[DedEmbryonicCell]

can someone define "direct hit" for me....i cannot figure out this masters ring

ive used my bow, ive backstabed, ive hit with lock on, ive hit without lock on, ive punched....no matter what i do the damage is the exact same with the thing on or off i cannot figure this ring out

Sorry can't help you with the question .. lol.

Just wondering if your name is based on Jamey Jasta's other band Ice Pick?

sitting around 1 night with some friends messing around just bsing with eachother we got on to violence and weapons and i came with a very brutal indepth set up with one involving kidneys eyeballs ect involving and ice pick.....thus my new nickname was pick....it carried over to gaming.....it started in the SOCOM 2 daysthat used to be the only game i would play until they ran the series into the ground......but a while back someone was telling me about the band and i did go check them out, its not exactly my style of music but i do really like their stuff and tend to put their stuff on sometimes while messing around on the comp

Well if you're a fan of Metal throw on some Hatebreed, it's Jasta's main band, one of my favorites ..

Sounds like a great story .. :D

[ICE PICK]

@ Embryonic i edited my post to make a little more sense and tell you what i usually listen to, i never proofread i just type and post lol

and to everyone else if u missed it above.....if you want to test it, i believe i found it....its when you have your enemies off balance or staggered back i think thats when the ring comes in to play

[FiOth]

A "Direct Hit" is an attack that connects with the opponent without getting blocked AND from a point-blank range. Basically, it is a follow-through blow, putting the character's full weight behind the swing - in layman's terms -.

Hope this covers your question ICE.

[Karkarov]

Fioth is correct.... to make it more laymans term though... If you hit a guy without them blocking and your weapon goes all the way through their body it is a direct hit. Piercing attacks are obviously the easiest to pull it off with, particularly spears. Conversely getting a direct hit with a dagger or a curved sword (other than maybe killij) is very hard.

[HijiriOni]

Meat Cleaver is pretty easy, it just requires you to be really close. I've seen it hit around 650ish when I'm real close, about 400 in ideal damage areas, and about 70 if only the tip connects.

The problem with getting close with a greatsword meat cleaver or other big weapon is sometimes it does this weird pommel push...I really hate it and I can't figure out what determines doing the pommel push over a normal attack. Alls I know is that the pommel push gets me killed.

[ICE PICK]

Meat Cleaver is pretty easy, it just requires you to be really close. I've seen it hit around 650ish when I'm real close, about 400 in ideal damage areas, and about 70 if only the tip connects.

The problem with getting close with a greatsword meat cleaver or other big weapon is sometimes it does this weird pommel push...I really hate it and I can't figure out what determines doing the pommel push over a normal attack. Alls I know is that the pommel push gets me killed.


all weapons have this feature....this happens when you hit the directional button and the attack at the same time.....for example when you do this with a spear you push the enemy off balance....when you do it with a curved sword you jump in and do 2 weak attacks and retreat all in one

[Virodeath]

A "Direct Hit" is an attack that connects with the opponent without getting blocked AND from a point-blank range. Basically, it is a follow-through blow, putting the character's full weight behind the swing - in layman's terms -.

Hope this covers your question ICE.

So if you use that ring and fight something like Bugbears or something that won't block you because, well it is an insect or has no defensive abilities then using your weapon in two handed mode or well any mode should yield a direct hit every time... Correct?

Viro

[Karkarov]

No Viro, thats why I clarified. I have never seen a direct hit on a bugbear. Mostly because on the big ones there is no way you can score one they are too large, on the little ones I think the game almost just gives it to you for free. Direct hits seem to mostly be a function for ... humanoid enemies. Like the skeletons and soul starved soldiers.

[artemis]

The problem with getting close with a greatsword meat cleaver or other big weapon is sometimes it does this weird pommel push...I really hate it and I can't figure out what determines doing the pommel push over a normal attack. Alls I know is that the pommel push gets me killed.

Ditto

[ICE PICK]

The problem with getting close with a greatsword meat cleaver or other big weapon is sometimes it does this weird pommel push...I really hate it and I can't figure out what determines doing the pommel push over a normal attack. Alls I know is that the pommel push gets me killed.

Ditto

make sure you read my response to that post...i explained it

[Hahalo]

So the master ring does work? hmm.. got to test it out once i get out of the office.

Hold on, I don't notice any reduction of damage.. can anyone clear this?

[Armen9252]

Basically if you parry and then attack with R1 you will get a direct hit.

[Hahalo]

What about backstab, i tested master on backstab.. didn't work.

Haven't had the chance to test with parry.

[LemonFrosted]

What about backstab, i tested master on backstab.. didn't work.

Haven't had the chance to test with parry.

Those are "critical hits" not "direct hits".

I found that the Master's Ring doesn't significantly reduce the average hit damage with Rapiers and Katanas, but unless you're up against a lightly armoured target where you can get off a full 4-6 attack salvo without a shield coming up then you're unlikely to see much extra damage and are probably better off with a regen ring, thief's ring, or avarice. The funny thing is that Katanas and rapiers are both more and less likely to get "direct hits" because they're close range with good penetration, but they're also less likely to stagger and more likely to be blocked, or at least "readied" against. On the plus side they have a very low chance of "glancing" or incidental damage so the reduction is barely seen (counter to what it says, it's not "all other damage" but rather ups direct and reduces glancing/splash while leaving "normal" alone). The larger weapons that are more likely to stagger have more opportunities to get direct hits, but they also rely heavily on glancing blows (this is what makes up for their lack of accuracy and slow speed: they do damage to just about everything around you) and will see a lot more of their damage reduced.

If you really like seeing the occasional big number and don't care about average damage and suck at getting criticals then the Master's Ring is for you. If you're using a medium weight weapon and are really good at guard break combos but not criticals then you'll see some pretty good returns. Everyone else is better off with something else.

[Hahalo]

Thanks for the detail reply, I'll try to absorb it and test it out.

I wonder how practical this ring is.