Going online ruined my pure white WT?

[Buttons]

I've been playing offline so I have control over my WT. I got all worlds to white, then expected I could go online, since I've never seen worlds just shift around at random online. But I was wrong.

Going online caused my worlds to shift towards dark tendency.

Anyone know if my world will go back to pure white once I go offline again?

[Shimizoki]

no idea, I would guess not but I cant be sure... you should try it and get back to us on that

[Jerry-Boyle]

Have fun halloween/fridyanight
All worlds will turn to pure black tendency due to an event the games having.

[Bacon Deity]

Yeah, tendencies are all sorts of ####ed up when online. I don't worry about it anymore. I got all the pure white events, now I'm working on the pure black events.

[Buttons]

It's ruined. Guess I'll start over in a few months after the frustration has worn off. :)

[Shimizoki]

there is always NG+... wow thats kinda become a motto around here

[Buttons]

there is always NG+... wow thats kinda become a motto around here

My thoughts exactly, there is always fun to be had with Ninja Gaiden 2.

[Bacon Deity]

*cough* your tendency doesn't reset when you start NG+

[Shimizoki]

but you can easily get the PBWT then do the BP and primevil to get back to PWWT. makes life easier. dangit if everyone gets PBWT this weekend then I wasted like 30 Stones of blah to revive myself to get PB for no reason... RAWR

[Buttons]

*cough* your tendency doesn't reset when you start NG+

So it still wont be pure white. Seems easier just to start over rather than deal with NG+. I'll to be more careful about starting a game online next time.

Besides, I killed all my BP's with poison, and that doesn't change my CT like I wanted. Guess I'll go for poison coupled with a single finishing blow by my blade.

But damn, I can't imagine sinking another 20 hours into this game. I've started over 3 times trying to get everything, and I still haven't gotten all the WT events I wanted, I always screw them up.

I think I'll admit ultimate defeat to Demons Souls and uninstall. :(

[Bearcut]

lol 30 stones of Blah

[Shimizoki]

lol 30 stones of Blah

I didnt want to embarrass myself trying to spell stone of ephimieral eyes or whatever xD

[MonkeySlime808]

*cough* your tendency doesn't reset when you start NG+

your wrong it does reset. i had black tendency in archstones 4,5 and it turn back into white tendency not pure just white

[Shimizoki]

*cough* your tendency doesn't reset when you start NG+

your wrong it does reset. i had black tendency in archstones 4,5 and it turn back into white tendency not pure just white

WHOA.... nobody ever says the god of ham is wrong... you better watch your tongue or he'll eat it.

We need some confirmation here... anyone else think they know what happens?

[Bacon Deity]

I can't confirm the World Tendencies. But I 100% can confirm Character Tendency.

I had pure as diamond white character tendency at the end of my NG+, then I went into NG++, it was exactly the same. Then I started killin' people.

[Buttons]

Sob, the thought of playing 1-1 again makes me want to cry.

[CorpusDelecti]

OK, to clarify all of this confusion in this thread XD Here is the break down.

If you are playing offline when working on your tendencies, and connect online, there IS a glitch that will reset it, it's a more often then rare glitch which makes it a bummer.

Your tendency does NOT reset after starting NG+ it's actually hard to determine what your tendency is unless you compare it to the broken stone when looking. However, due to this "glitch" it is possible your tendency will be affected during NG+, I also think, that when starting NG+ depending on your chosen ending will change your tendency, as well as the actions you take during your first play through. Me, I do all of my tendency stuff my first run.

I started a new NG+ today, with PBCT and my char, was STILL PBCT from doing the Mephistopheles quests and murdering all the poor NPC merchants. Which dropped all my PWWT down to Neutral again. The point is, the game DOES give you more Stones of Empherial Eyes then you REALLY need to do all the PBWT events. It sucks that you did all your runs to get your PB but to be honest, it's easier to redo it on NG+ imho. As you keep all your previously collected gear, and items, etc. I haven't tried them on NG+ yet, since I don't really need to, but you can also run on NG+ and do it like this:

Beat 1-1 sit in 1-2 and wait to be invaded, kill the invaded BP, go back to Nexus to check WT status. Rince and repeat for Boletarian Palace.

Same for 2-1; 3-1; 4-1; 5-1 if you have ALREADY don't your PBWT you can easily gain PWWT on NG+ or even on your initial NG by allowing BPs to invade you, just sit around and wait for them, as dying by them does not alter your tendency. Also note, that you MUST have a boss in that stage, just like for a blue phantom to be summoned. I have tested this by sitting in an area (Stonefang for example) after killing the Demigod Demon (final boss of whichever stage) and left my char logged there alive for over an hour. No Black Phantom had invaded, which is odd XD. Anyway, I hope this helps you out :D Kudos would be nice >_> as I have been asked twice now if I am writting a book XD

[Karkarov]

What Corpus said. It is well documented that being online IS going to effect your WT. The fact that Atlus can run an event that forces PBWT on all your worlds is kind of a dead givaway on this one. However WT does not reset on NG, I have already gone to NG 5-6 times on different toons and they always stayed where they were when I beat the game.

Bear in mind there is one thing, killing phalanx ups all worlds white tendency not just Boletaria's.

[Shimizoki]

What Corpus said. It is well documented that being online IS going to effect your WT. The fact that Atlus can run an event that forces PBWT on all your worlds is kind of a dead givaway on this one. However WT does not reset on NG, I have already gone to NG 5-6 times on different toons and they always stayed where they were when I beat the game.

Bear in mind there is one thing, killing phalanx ups all worlds white tendency not just Boletaria's.

how can you possibly know that? i mean he is the first boss and and you have no access to the other worlds until after you beat him. (but that's due to the monumental) Now I havn't looked at the world tendency before and after beating him... it just makes since that the monumental would up them all and not killing phalanx

[obie191970]

What Corpus said. It is well documented that being online IS going to effect your WT. The fact that Atlus can run an event that forces PBWT on all your worlds is kind of a dead givaway on this one. However WT does not reset on NG, I have already gone to NG 5-6 times on different toons and they always stayed where they were when I beat the game.

Bear in mind there is one thing, killing phalanx ups all worlds white tendency not just Boletaria's.

how can you possibly know that? i mean he is the first boss and and you have no access to the other worlds until after you beat him. (but that's due to the monumental) Now I havn't looked at the world tendency before and after beating him... it just makes since that the monumental would up them all and not killing phalanx

I'm at work so I can't confirm this, but I think it mentions it in the Guide. Even if not, I know I have read this somewhere.

[Karkarov]

It is mentioned online in a few places and yes the WT section of the guide says it too.

[Dominions]

Online WT is easier to deal with than offline IMO, as long as you do whatever you're trying to in a single sitting. Online tends to push your WT's all towards Light since I think it's set to the average of all players online when you start and collectively we're killing bosses and invaders more often than we're dying in body form.

I started a brand new character online last night and noticed I had PWWT in Boletaria, Stonefang, and Shrine after beating Phalanx in soul form, and then Armor Spider (with help from 2 phantoms), and Vanguard+Ajudicator (with help from a phantom) both without dying at any point.

[Shimizoki]

I stand corrected, lesson learned never conforont karkarov... because you will be wrong xD

[MonkeySlime808]

OK, to clarify all of this confusion in this thread XD Here is the break down.

If you are playing offline when working on your tendencies, and connect online, there IS a glitch that will reset it, it's a more often then rare glitch which makes it a bummer.

Your tendency does NOT reset after starting NG+ it's actually hard to determine what your tendency is unless you compare it to the broken stone when looking. However, due to this "glitch" it is possible your tendency will be affected during NG+, I also think, that when starting NG+ depending on your chosen ending will change your tendency, as well as the actions you take during your first play through. Me, I do all of my tendency stuff my first run.

I started a new NG+ today, with PBCT and my char, was STILL PBCT from doing the Mephistopheles quests and murdering all the poor NPC merchants. Which dropped all my PWWT down to Neutral again. The point is, the game DOES give you more Stones of Empherial Eyes then you REALLY need to do all the PBWT events. It sucks that you did all your runs to get your PB but to be honest, it's easier to redo it on NG+ imho. As you keep all your previously collected gear, and items, etc. I haven't tried them on NG+ yet, since I don't really need to, but you can also run on NG+ and do it like this:

Beat 1-1 sit in 1-2 and wait to be invaded, kill the invaded BP, go back to Nexus to check WT status. Rince and repeat for Boletarian Palace.

Same for 2-1; 3-1; 4-1; 5-1 if you have ALREADY don't your PBWT you can easily gain PWWT on NG+ or even on your initial NG by allowing BPs to invade you, just sit around and wait for them, as dying by them does not alter your tendency. Also note, that you MUST have a boss in that stage, just like for a blue phantom to be summoned. I have tested this by sitting in an area (Stonefang for example) after killing the Demigod Demon (final boss of whichever stage) and left my char logged there alive for over an hour. No Black Phantom had invaded, which is odd XD. Anyway, I hope this helps you out :D Kudos would be nice >_> as I have been asked twice now if I am writting a book XD

your talking about character tendency im talking about world tendency

[CorpusDelecti]

OK, to clarify all of this confusion in this thread XD Here is the break down.

If you are playing offline when working on your tendencies, and connect online, there IS a glitch that will reset it, it's a more often then rare glitch which makes it a bummer.

Your tendency does NOT reset after starting NG+ it's actually hard to determine what your tendency is unless you compare it to the broken stone when looking. However, due to this "glitch" it is possible your tendency will be affected during NG+, I also think, that when starting NG+ depending on your chosen ending will change your tendency, as well as the actions you take during your first play through. Me, I do all of my tendency stuff my first run.

I started a new NG+ today, with PBCT and my char, was STILL PBCT from doing the Mephistopheles quests and murdering all the poor NPC merchants. Which dropped all my PWWT down to Neutral again. The point is, the game DOES give you more Stones of Empherial Eyes then you REALLY need to do all the PBWT events. It sucks that you did all your runs to get your PB but to be honest, it's easier to redo it on NG+ imho. As you keep all your previously collected gear, and items, etc. I haven't tried them on NG+ yet, since I don't really need to, but you can also run on NG+ and do it like this:

Beat 1-1 sit in 1-2 and wait to be invaded, kill the invaded BP, go back to Nexus to check WT status. Rince and repeat for Boletarian Palace.

Same for 2-1; 3-1; 4-1; 5-1 if you have ALREADY don't your PBWT you can easily gain PWWT on NG+ or even on your initial NG by allowing BPs to invade you, just sit around and wait for them, as dying by them does not alter your tendency. Also note, that you MUST have a boss in that stage, just like for a blue phantom to be summoned. I have tested this by sitting in an area (Stonefang for example) after killing the Demigod Demon (final boss of whichever stage) and left my char logged there alive for over an hour. No Black Phantom had invaded, which is odd XD. Anyway, I hope this helps you out :D Kudos would be nice >_> as I have been asked twice now if I am writting a book XD

your talking about character tendency im talking about world tendency

As am I, Killing a Black Phantom ups your world tendency. I went and got Pure White world tendency in Stonefang by just slaying invading BPs before even killing off Flamelurker.

[liquifiedart]

Proably the halloween tendency shift

[Shimizoki]

yes that is correct, kill BPs / revive blues... that seems like the way to get up world tendency

[Buttons]

It's not a glitch corpus. It says in the guide that there is a global world tendancy kept track of by the online servers, and going online causes your game to be influenced by this global tendancy.

There was wide spread talk of a glitch which would reset WT in the Aisain version. This was probably fixed for the American release, but people read about the Aisain version, and then assume it's talking about the American.

[CorpusDelecti]

It's not a glitch corpus. It says in the guide that there is a global world tendancy kept track of by the online servers, and going online causes your game to be influenced by this global tendancy.

There was wide spread talk of a glitch which would reset WT in the Aisain version. This was probably fixed for the American release, but people read about the Aisain version, and then assume it's talking about the American.

It actually was not fixed in the American version ;p I've had it happen myself. The tendency is ONLY affected by OTHER players if they play along with you as well. Your tendency alone is not affected by the online community. Nice try though :D I'm just tryin to be helpful to you. No need to flame what I've already tested. Atlus ported the game to the states yes, but there are still glitches, in the FromSoftware programming, it has nothing to do with American/Asian version, the only difference from those versions, are the languages the menus/booklets are in, as well as the servers.

[obie191970]

The tendency is ONLY affected by OTHER players if they play along with you as well. Your tendency alone is not affected by the online community. Nice try though

Sorry, but that just isn't true. I know for fact that my online tendency has been affected by the community without playing with anyone else when I screwed up PWWT by mistake. And, as I wrote in your other thread (http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4917) on this subject, I believe that this isn't a glitch but a design decision that FROM knowingly installed into the game with their patch to the Asian version in March.

[Karkarov]

Like I said. Online effects your WT period. The fact that Atlus can force you into PBWT for a halloween event if you go online is screaming that harsh reality at you. It is impossible to deny it at this point.

[Buttons]

It's not a glitch corpus. It says in the guide that there is a global world tendancy kept track of by the online servers, and going online causes your game to be influenced by this global tendancy.

There was wide spread talk of a glitch which would reset WT in the Aisain version. This was probably fixed for the American release, but people read about the Aisain version, and then assume it's talking about the American.

It actually was not fixed in the American version ;p I've had it happen myself. The tendency is ONLY affected by OTHER players if they play along with you as well. Your tendency alone is not affected by the online community. Nice try though :D I'm just tryin to be helpful to you. No need to flame what I've already tested. Atlus ported the game to the states yes, but there are still glitches, in the FromSoftware programming, it has nothing to do with American/Asian version, the only difference from those versions, are the languages the menus/booklets are in, as well as the servers.

I went online and screwed up my pure white world tendency (had pure white in all 5 worlds). I didn't play with anybody, but my world tendency changed to white in many worlds. That is, it reduced slightly, but it did not reset to neutral.

Personally, I have never witnessed world tendency being completely reset to neutral for no explainable reason. Tendency does fluctuate online, but this is expected behaviour as local tendency is affected by the global servers. I think it would be very easy for someone to say "I see my tendency shifting around slightly, I'll check it out online. Oh look, it says there is a bug in the game...." They never notice they're reading about the Asian version.

Nice try though. :D To quote from a friend of mine.

[wilson_seijuro]

how do i know if im online or not?