What affects magic based weapons?

[Pibbman]

I've just found the Falcion Crescent +1 sword, and a lot of its stats is with magic. Obviously Dex and Strength affects the weapon stats, however for a weapon like the one I listed above, does magic affect those too?

I have to say, looking at the wiki and the stats of weapons themselves are kind of confusing at times.

[ZomDizae]

I've just found the Falcion Crescent +1 sword, and a lot of its stats is with magic. Obviously Dex and Strength affects the weapon stats, however for a weapon like the one I listed above, does magic affect those too?

I have to say, looking at the wiki and the stats of weapons themselves are kind of confusing at times.
All Crescent and Moon weapons take their highest bonuses from the magic stat.
Arguably the strongest weapons in the game as long as you keep pumping that magic stat.

[CUR715]

I completed my first run (back in May) using pretty much nothing but the Crescent Falchion.

It's a fantastic 'free' weapon.

[Karkarov]

Not totally true. Faith is used for the blueblood sword, weapons with the "blessed" name, and the large sword of moonlight stacks with it stupid well. Also Crescent weapons will outperform moon weapons long term just for the record.

I would say the strongest weapon in the game is the moonlight also since it scales obscenely well with faith, can block magic better than everything short of the dark silver shield, and ignores enemy blocks.

[ZomDizae]

Not totally true. Faith is used for the blueblood sword, weapons with the "blessed" name, and the large sword of moonlight stacks with it stupid well. Also Crescent weapons will outperform moon weapons long term just for the record.

I would say the strongest weapon in the game is the moonlight also since it scales obscenely well with faith, can block magic better than everything short of the dark silver shield, and ignores enemy blocks.
About the "blessed" / "Crescent" bonuses, they're mostly the same. Moon is for more balanced characters and can eventually outperform Crescent if you mix the stats up right. (Looking at the numbers that wiki shows you won't help here, you have to experience this on your own)

As for the Moonlight; yes it's a powerful sword, yes it takes a sick bonus from faith. But it has a very very very low base attack and that is exactly 100, add to that that it has only a magical attack and it gets easily useless against Dark silver armor.

My royal S.lvl 180 girl has 50 magic and 40 faith.
If she equips her Moon Uchi+5 she has a total attack stat of 410
If she equips her SoM+5, it's only 293
Granted, the 10 points of difference could almost close the gap between the two but then you have to take into account that by the time I make a 2-slash combo, I'll do 4 with the Moon Uchi, and that's exactly my only real gripe against the SoM: it's too damn big. Still an awesome weapon tho.

The cutting through shields ability: great stuff at first, but later you'll come to realize that the most dangerous players won't use any shields ;)

Also, don't quote me on this one but I *think* since it's a named weapon, that the SoM has a damage cap like any other named weapon. Self built weapon variants won't have any damage cap.

In the end of the day, for optimal performance you need to try out all weapons you most like with your current build and pick out the most effective and most comfortable one. This just shows how great the battle system in this game is; there is no cheap ultimate weapon. (-_^)

[Karkarov]

Personally I will go down as agreeing that it is hard to be 100% sure which pans out best on moon or crescent. I will say for low str and dex but high magic builds crescent will definitely win.

However as far as moonlight goes. My math after playing with it in game says (assuming there is no invisible hard cap) that it comes out to about 600 damage if you stack 99 faith and it is +5. The key difference I think is that you are thinking PVP and I am thinking actual in game PVE. I haven't seen a phantom using the dark silver armor yet though. Meanwhile my endurance is only like a 17 or so which basically means I cant use any real armor :p, unless I don't mind moving slow and having no roll. And I do :/

I am thinking about Old king.... he is a tough SOB though. I would really like to take him out since his armor is no penalty and light weight but I want to do it without doing the gay trick I hate using but I know will work. Meanwhile I am lucky I am white tendancy cause that sword hits like a truck.

The main issue I have with katana are the R2 moves are wayyyyy too slow. Anyone not with their pants down can dodge it. While the regular swings are good but you can't thrust. I like the feel of the straight swords most but I enjoy the large swords for their room clearing ability and relative safety of the wide swing.

In other news I used the moonlight to work vinland like a hobo. Yeah he took very little damage but his shield couldn't block it and that tight area prevents his from attacking much if you get him pushed back a couple steps. Now BP Vinland I haven't bothered with yet. I need to deck out plauge res before I go back there so I can loot the room. Maybe put on my brushwood and slog it out...

[ZomDizae]

^^I hate BP Vinland, I hate that guy! As you probably already noticed, I'm a sucker for Katana(they HAVE a faster piercing attack than the R2 one but you have to sprint first) :D
Anyways, BP Garl is the only real obstacle I have with my weapon of choice. He is just a frickin' tank and while he is just tedious and not too dangerous on first playthrough, he is a pain in the royal A on high runs like NG+++++ and higher. I Hate him!

And now comes the most embarrassing: In all my hundreds of hours with the game, It never, entered my head to scrape his armor with the scraping spear or acid cloud...just recently a poster on GT forums asked the question if it'll work on him, and I just *facepalmed* myself -_-

[Karkarov]

I bet you money acid cloud wont but the scraping spear should, maybe. I find the "cloud" spells useless mostly in pve they never seems to work on the mobs. I have yet to successfully plauge a mob using death cloud.

I did notice many of mitocondriaks video's prominently feature you and him getting worked by Vinland :p.

[KTA]

I'm a crescent fan, magic buffing has it's perks 2 ways and it regens MP. Great melee weapon.

I've buffed that falchon to +4 I just need pure darkstone... plan on jumping my luck up a bit and then going to hunt in 4-2 & 4-3, wish me luck....

[_Incanus_]

Sorry for posting this here and not starting a new thread, I'm unable to because I just made this account I'm guessing..

I'm a little confused with the stat bonuses weapons have.. I thought they gave you more stats depending on which is graded A S ect. but now it seems that if your base stat affects the weapons damage depending on what yours is at and what grade of bonus the weapon has?

Also (again sorry as I'm sure you have all heard this asked before) the blacksmith boldwin i think his name is in the tunnels.. I gave him the flaming ds and have my long sword and winged spear to +7 (which is what I thought it needed to be at in order to do this) but I'm not given the option to upgrade it to a legendary weapon. Is this because I just don't have the proper ds for it?

Thank you :)

[Elnidfse]

Not totally true. Faith is used for the blueblood sword, weapons with the "blessed" name, and the large sword of moonlight stacks with it stupid well. Also Crescent weapons will outperform moon weapons long term just for the record.

I would say the strongest weapon in the game is the moonlight also since it scales obscenely well with faith, can block magic better than everything short of the dark silver shield, and ignores enemy blocks.

To that end, it all depends on what you stack with. Their is no real "best" weapon in this game as all of them have a downside or upside or stat requirement that balances them out well enough with each other. Magic is taken because it can go through armor and guards which is less effective if the opponenet is heavily anti-magic.

Coincidentally, a certain dex based weapon goes through blocks completely soo~ it's better to just stick to a weapon based on your stats and play style rather then grind stats for a weapon that buffs in a field that you don't really use. I.E, a heavy str/tank using Hands of God.

[Pharmacologist]

I bet you money acid cloud wont but the scraping spear should, maybe. I find the "cloud" spells useless mostly in pve they never seems to work on the mobs. I have yet to successfully plauge a mob using death cloud.

I did notice many of mitocondriaks video's prominently feature you and him getting worked by Vinland :p.

Poison cloud seems to work on a lot of black phantoms. For example, I just killed black phantom Rydyell yesterday completely by cheesing him with poison cloud because frankly my character was having a miserable time beating him any other way in the narrow as hell areas you're given to fight him. And of course he has that huge staff that pretty much ignores block. Now his huge stick is mine! Pretty sure this is also how I beat bp satsuki. Hooray rewarding cheap playstyles.

Btw, is the phosphorescent pole any good? I know having a shield can be pretty clutch in this game, but I might want to upgrade it just to have a weapon that I can swing around for fun in open areas and cause destruction.

[Elnidfse]

The pole is only good if you're a heavy mage as the fully upgraded version gives you an S in magic. Not only that, the mp regeneration for the pole turns to 1 MP a second which may not seem a lot but will make a noticable difference in your spice conssumption (close to none if you use your +5 Phospohrescent pole to wack enemies as well)

[Pharmacologist]

Yeah I'm a heavy magic build. I'm trying to figure out what the first item should be that I dump my colorless souls into. This is a candidate.

[Elnidfse]

The only alternative that would help you in mp conservation is geri's stilleto. In new game + the miserable damage it inflicts will get you killed long before you have a chance to cast another spell. The only exception is that if you buff it's attack with Light Weapon and keep it buff. As you get 20 mp a hit with a fully upgraded stilleto, you'll have a never ending pull of mana.

Of course, it becomes useless during boss fights, all of 4-1 and 4-2 and all of 3-1 and 3-2.

[Karkarov]

Not totally true. Faith is used for the blueblood sword, weapons with the "blessed" name, and the large sword of moonlight stacks with it stupid well. Also Crescent weapons will outperform moon weapons long term just for the record.

I would say the strongest weapon in the game is the moonlight also since it scales obscenely well with faith, can block magic better than everything short of the dark silver shield, and ignores enemy blocks.

To that end, it all depends on what you stack with. Their is no real "best" weapon in this game as all of them have a downside or upside or stat requirement that balances them out well enough with each other. Magic is taken because it can go through armor and guards which is less effective if the opponenet is heavily anti-magic.

Coincidentally, a certain dex based weapon goes through blocks completely soo~ it's better to just stick to a weapon based on your stats and play style rather then grind stats for a weapon that buffs in a field that you don't really use. I.E, a heavy str/tank using Hands of God.

Coincidentally the weapon I was talking about also bypasses shields 100% and I said flat out I was talking from a pve perspective not overall the whole game period. The thread is also about what scales magic weapons damage not over all stat scaling in general. So I don't see how Blind has anything to do with it.

[Jorlen]

The pole is only good if you're a heavy mage as the fully upgraded version gives you an S in magic. Not only that, the mp regeneration for the pole turns to 1 MP a second which may not seem a lot but will make a noticable difference in your spice conssumption (close to none if you use your +5 Phospohrescent pole to wack enemies as well)

Yeah I upgraded the pole to +5 last night and it's great. The MP regen alone is amazing. I'm big on using a bow too so while I use the bow I have the pole on my back which still regens my mana.

Only thing I don't like is the attacks while wielding a shield aren't as good as using it two handed (like any pole basically) and I'm too used to using a shield all the time. I love the weapon though so I'll try and adjust my style.

[Pharmacologist]

The pole is only good if you're a heavy mage as the fully upgraded version gives you an S in magic. Not only that, the mp regeneration for the pole turns to 1 MP a second which may not seem a lot but will make a noticable difference in your spice conssumption (close to none if you use your +5 Phospohrescent pole to wack enemies as well)

Yeah I upgraded the pole to +5 last night and it's great. The MP regen alone is amazing. I'm big on using a bow too so while I use the bow I have the pole on my back which still regens my mana.

Only thing I don't like is the attacks while wielding a shield aren't as good as using it two handed (like any pole basically) and I'm too used to using a shield all the time. I love the weapon though so I'll try and adjust my style.

Sweet looks like i'll be upgrading the pole tonight.

[SasugaRIVAL]

Sweet looks like i'll be upgrading the pole tonight.

That's what SHE said!

*ba dum tish*