DLC

[Eskol]

What about the possibilities for DLC for this game? Can I expect any? and what will it cost?

Also what type of DLC can I expect(if any) such as, weapon set's new stages, new monsters/bosses?

[Karkarov]

This is a good question I have to admit that some dlc's for this game would be pretty nice all things considered. However I think that is ultimately going to be up to From Software not Atlus.

[Eskol]

that is ultimately going to be up to From Software not Atlus.

That's very true, but doesn't atlus have to publish it for NA players? I have actually heard of some sort of DLC I didn't read into to it very much, but If From Software creates a DLC it is up to Atlus to offer it out to us.

[Eskol]

basically there is talk of a 6th headstone, for the Land of Giants. I didn't see anywhere saying it was released but there are alot of accounts saying as it would be a neat addition. so I was wrong in saying there was DLC already, that was a mistake.

Would still like to see it! and maybe gear DLC's as long as they don't automatically give you the gear, you whould have to find it. I like the feeling that with this game(from what I've heard) Low level armor is not buried by the higher level gear, I like to think that all gear is close in terms of stats that way I can wear what looks good ;)

[NeverFinal]

DLC would be a great addition to the game and have people keep on playing as well as bring in more people.

[Eskol]

Lol honestly if a game looks only remotely decent but promises expansive DLC I would get the game just for DLC, DLC is great because it gives you something to look forward to, or something to "unlock"

[NeverFinal]

IMO i think they eventually will do at least one thing DLC, like maybe a small expansion with and extra world and a new boss. Then again that could conflict the story, i dont know because i havnt even touched the game yet...

[harlequ1n]

I'm sure those of you who have put dozens of hours into the game and know many of its intricacies are really looking forward to some DLC, I haven't even touched the game and I already know I'd love to have an extra "world" for the empty spot there is. However, I guess that desire will come much later when I have played the game to death like many of you have done.

[sarshelyam]

I'm sure those of you who have put dozens of hours into the game and know many of its intricacies are really looking forward to some DLC, I haven't even touched the game and I already know I'd love to have an extra "world" for the empty spot there is.

Well I have played the game, through 3 times to be exact, and I can't agree. The experience within was quite satisfying and it really doesn't need the DLC. I'd wager that with FROM Software readying the launch of their next project, they're on to bigger and better things. Perhaps that could result in a Demon's Souls sequel? If I had two options to choose from; One option offering a new DLC world to occupy the broken Archstone "Land of the Giants", and a second in the form of a brand new entry in the Demon's Souls "franchise", well...the choice should be rather obvious.

Wait til you play the game in a couple weeks. I can guarantee you'll be wanting the DLC less and less, and shift your concerns towards a sequel. :D

[Mooglepies]

I've played through 5 times and I want the land of Giants. Anything that adds variation is fine with me.

[SasugaRIVAL]

Personally, I would rather have the entirety of the game on the disc rather than have to worry if I have to buy and pay for something later.

[Leventa]

Never gonna happen. I hate to be a wet blanket, but I just don't think that the game was a big enough earner to warrant the developer making some DLC. I haven't seen any for the Armored Core series, and AC has always done fairly well in the US and abroad.

[Karkarov]

Never gonna happen. I hate to be a wet blanket, but I just don't think that the game was a big enough earner to warrant the developer making some DLC. I haven't seen any for the Armored Core series, and AC has always done fairly well in the US and abroad.

Your probably right, but that doesn't deny the fact that a DLC would be a good thing. I do agree with the sentiment that the top priority should be making sure the game does well enough that it merits a sequel.

[Ostrava of Boletaria]

I don't see any DLC coming, but I guess anything's possible. You never know.

[Laviku]

DLC would be nice, but, sadly, From Software has never released any DLC for any of their games (as far as my research shows, anyway). That doesn't mean they won't, of course, but sadly, the chances appear to be slim. :S

[Bearcut]

Personally I think DLC is negative in the gaming world today. In the past, there were "unlocks" and things you would get for beating challenges, but now, you have to pay for it. Fortunately, not all developers are like that, and I have nothing against paying for an expansion pack (something the developers actually put time and money into), but paying $0.99 for a costume or $5.00 for some extra weapons in Dead Space always pissed me off. Those should be unlockable IMO. You want an example of them raping peoples pockets? Look at the Resident Evil 5 DLC (great game, but I didn't buy the 290kb DLC out of principle), or the Madden (Clears throat) *DLC*. Just look at it. Or any EA sports game DLC for that matter. We get charged enough when we drop $60 + Tax for a new game but they just want a little more....

So, DLC Expansion pack for Demon's Souls = Good
DLC Armor and Gear = Bad, unless it came with the expansion.
Why? Because DLC armor and gear would give the advantage online to players with deep pockets and money to burn, which is BS.

Also, that brings up another point. DLC is unlikely because i think it would cause compatibility issues with people who don't have it, which would be contrary to the game. Unless it's patched of course...

[Leventa]

It all depends on the type of Downloadable content. I have pretty strong feelings on this issue. It's one thing if you have a fairly strong game that feels complete and worth the $60 all on its own and, months later, your team puts out some $5 or $15 downloadable content that adds some new areas, or missions, or whatever the hell, so that fans can continue to enjoy the game if they so chose.

It's another thing entirely when greedy game companies more or less REMOVE content that was already completed by launch time, and then usually within the week or first month of release, try to sell it back to you by nickle and diming you for a reskinned costume or new weapon. Even worse, like Bearcut hinted at, is when developers HIDE the content on the game disc itself and charge you for what is essentially a 200kb unlock for something that was already on the disc that you purchased.

Furthermore, this Gamestop pre-order exclusive stuff is really starting to annoy me. It's like they're blackmailing gamers into having to buy from their store just to get that extra hidden weapon or set of levels. Rage.

[Bearcut]

I'm with Leventa --> with Gamestop, it's all about that Sweet, sweet interest when you have to put some money down on a game. I actually preordered my Demon's Souls Deluxe from a Gamestop (Only game store in town unfortunately) and I asked when I did about when I would be charged. Of course, the policy is I get charged a week before release; but when I went home and checked my account, I noticed I had been charged the day of purchase, months before release. Wonderful.
So I'm sure they pay developers to get some exclusive pre-order bonuses, just like Microsoft paying developers to develop games exclusive to the XBOX, or DLC for the XBOX such as oblivions DLC or Fallout 3....
I once heard that Microsoft paid Bethesda $40,000,000 to keep them from publishing the DLC on Playstation Network at the same time. Not sure if that number is accurate, but if it is....damn. (BTW, I'm not saying Sony doesn't do the same thing, but it seems like Microsoft does it more often. And I just hate microsoft ever since they bought FASA Studios and folded it.)

If you notice, sometimes those Pre-order bonuses are added onto PSN after the games release for a fee, but thats only if they actually confer some extra content.

All I'm really concerned about with my Demon's Souls Deluxe is it damn well better be wrapped in plastic when I get it, cause Gamestop has a nasty habit of opening the damn games and taking everything out of it.

[Leventa]

Gamestop is a horrible store. Obviously, the smaller game stores out there just can't compete with Gamestop paying off developers to include exclusive extras. So they get completely shafted. Gamestop is also partially responsible for taking a great deal of money right out of the pockets of publishers and developers by offering an increasingly larger market for used games and trade ins. I used to be guilty of buying a lot of used games from Gamestop, and then trading some in and getting more, but I've stopped as of late. Even with the crappy economy, I try to save more and buy less games, in exchange for actually supporting the publishers and creators of the game, rather than funding Gamestop.

Quite simply, somebody buying a used copy of Demon's Souls only supports the store from which they purchase it. Plus, a lot of the Gamestop employees I run into either have no idea what games you're looking for when you ask, are jerks, or just want to shove a Madden pre-order down your throat.

The last time I was in Gamestop, I was asked to pre-order stuff no less than 4 times. And twice it was for Madden.

[Laviku]

Yesterday I happened to wander into a gamestop, and the cashier kept asking me if I wanted to preorder all these games, and after saying "No thanks" to each he said "Do you have any games you have already preordered?" I said, yes, Demon's Souls (tho I didn't preorder from them... Amazon FTW).

From that moment on he knew what kind of gamer I was and stopped bothering me about preordering. It was a dream. :D

[Leventa]

If only the ones here knew how to take a hint. It's not even about what "type" of gamer I am. But I'm smart enough to know what games I do or don't want. If I wanted a Pre-Order of Madden or Rock Band: The Beatles, then I'm more than capable of ordering it without having to be reminded or badgered by employees every 5 minutes when I'm just checking around to see if they have the Orange Box because my girlfriend wants to try Portal.

I realize that they probably have some kind of unholy Guitar Hero/Madden/Halo ODST quota to meet, but I don't like to be patronized, or to have something shoved down my throat.

[matdra]

there some game with good dlc.

disgaea 3 for example have 3 type of dlc.

character, there 15-20 character to get, but you have to beat them for use them and their map appear only after you beat the main story boss.
2 or 3 can be used after you clear one map though.

challenge mode, there 2-3 of them, and while or by clearing them, you can unlock a few thing-reward. like a new class.

and there a side story.

so most dlc have to be unlocked or be played to unlock new thing.

valkirya and prince persia have dlc who are working the same way.

but some game dlc are not that good, like cross edge, they simply give pack of item.

also there free dlc for some game, like batman.

as for gamestop, one time i asked a guys for some info for a game and answered 'I don't know, i don't play game'.

And a other time, when i was taking my devil survivor pre-ordered game, the employed asked his boss for where the game was, and trowed the game at us...

there not a lot of specialized game store in my region, so for get rarer game like atlus and nis one, i pre-order online now.

p.s. english is not my main.

[Leventa]

I tend to buy games straight from Amazon whenever I can. Good selection, no backtalk.

[slayn]

disgaea 3 for example have 3 type of dlc.

The DLC for Disgaea 3 is retarded because, to get it all, you'll shell out 50 bucks, which is how much the damn game cost to begin with.

[Karkarov]

I said it elsewhere but I will here too, it isn't the Gamestop the company, it is Gamestop your local store that is the problem. At my local Gamestop all the employees are either real gamers or at the least casual about it. If they ask me to pre order something and I say no one time, that's it, they don't ask again. If I get a game from them and it isn't in shrink wrap they either have a good excuse or they get me one that is. For example when I bought batman arhkam asylum I did not pre order and the only copy they had left was the store demo copy. They still sold it to me, it wasn't shrink wrapped but I got a manual and case in perfect shape, was allowed to examine the disk first, and they even gave me the pre order items despite not being a pre order customer.

Hence I continue to give them my business and have for years. As a person who has worked in customer service and sales for over a decade I know better than most it is the individual who creates a good or bad sales environment almost never is it the company itself.

[Leventa]

They still have a policy of buying exclusive content to shoehorn customers into purchasing from their business, and their business alone. Not to mention the increasing proliferation of used games that help to sap money from Publishers and Developers over time. If anything, given the horror stories I've heard and my own personal experiences, your local store is more likely the exception, rather than the rule.

[beastxjason]

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/petition-for-dlc
Also there was suppose to be an anoouncemeant on 5/28 never occured. Atlus did say in a video on psblog that the possibility of extra weapons etc was there but they werent promising anything. They said it right after the spoke about the better translation that they were doing etc. So they obviously can add DLC to some degree which is promising. Id buy any DLC for this title for sure. 1 new helmet, yup Id buy it :)

[Karkarov]

They still have a policy of buying exclusive content to shoehorn customers into purchasing from their business, and their business alone. Not to mention the increasing proliferation of used games that help to sap money from Publishers and Developers over time. If anything, given the horror stories I've heard and my own personal experiences, your local store is more likely the exception, rather than the rule.

Your probably right but what I said still holds true. All those things the company does are not really "reprehensible". They want your money, they want to succeed, they are doing what they can to insure that success. To ask a business to do less is just silly.

Also I will say this, they don't train their employees to be douche's and act like jerks, trust me on that one. They want your business and they want you to come back for more business. The simple truth is, that is more likely if their salespeople treat you right and show you respect. The problem in most cases is "district" people don't care as long as numbers look good and your average gamestop manager only wants easy money not to be good at their job. Gamestop is hardly the only example too....

Make no mistake though, I walk in a store and they treat me like crap I just smile, walk out, and give someone else my business. If more people had that attitude and actually followed through even when it wasn't "convenient" many of these issues you guys mention wouldn't happen.

[Leventa]

Well, that's true enough. I suppose I just have a problem in general with huge national corporations that try to manipulate the marketplace in their favor while crowding out all compeition, especially the smaller businesses that supplied people long before video games became the huge multi-billion dollar industry that it is today.

Something rather soulless about Gamestop, Starbucks, Wal-Mart, ect

[beastxjason]

Well, that's true enough. I suppose I just have a problem in general with huge national corporations that try to manipulate the marketplace in their favor while crowding out all compeition, especially the smaller businesses that supplied people long before video games became the huge multi-billion dollar industry that it is today.

Something rather soulless about Gamestop, Starbucks, Wal-Mart, ect
:agree:

[Bearcut]

Whats not to like about getting ripped off for used games, a five dollar cup of burnt coffee, and cheaply made off the rack products?

You know I used to live in a small town, and one time there was a little coffee shop on a corner by my house that was great, but it closed down cause no one went. Now there is a starbucks in the same exacty location that is always packed. I spit on those people (not literally).

[Bearcut]

By the way I should mention i am the master at digressing conversations.

[Karkarov]

Whats not to like about getting ripped off for used games, a five dollar cup of burnt coffee, and cheaply made off the rack products?

You know I used to live in a small town, and one time there was a little coffee shop on a corner by my house that was great, but it closed down cause no one went. Now there is a starbucks in the same exacty location that is always packed. I spit on those people (not literally).

People go to starbucks because it is "in" to go to starbucks. That sounds stupid but it is true. These days starbucks coffee tastes like crap, is even more expensive than when it was actually good, and it is pretty much a bad place to do business with.

The small guy loses out for a number of reasons. But many of them have to do with no advertising, not being "flashy" enough, unable to match price point, and blah blah blah. In the end though you can only blame the number one cause, the consumer. Because it is the consumer who decides they would rather save a buck buying cheaply made garbage then spend it at the local place and get something that is probably better.

[slayn]

Whats not to like about getting ripped off for used games, a five dollar cup of burnt coffee, and cheaply made off the rack products?

Or you could stop being a twit and find the alternatives, because they do exist.

[Leventa]

Or you could stop being a twit and find the alternatives, because they do exist.

I'm pretty sure that he was being sarcastic, and that he does.

[slayn]

That wasn't directed at him, though I guess it came across that way. It was more a general statement.

[Bearcut]

Its alright i got it : )

I should also mention that I'm a saltwater tank enthusiast - a great way to support local stores because ONLY local stores stock it. (Except PETCO, unless you want dead fish)

[Jorlen]

I've been disappointed by a lot of DLC, I actually would rather the company release a full sequel rather than having those DLC mini-transactions... There are some exceptions, such as Grand Theft Auto 4 DLC and some of Fallout 3's DLC but still, most is just meh... Apparently that's where the future (most likely because it's more profitable) is going.

Most DLC feels like it's tacked on and developed by another project team (the quality is often blatantly inconsistent) however if From Software did release DLC for Demon's Souls, it would be one of the very few I'd actually consider, simply because this game is one of my favorites in the past 10 years.

[muskellounger]

IMO all DLC should be free. Budget, write it off as advertising, something. Big words on the cover...future FREE DLC. So many more people would buy it.

I was one of the little guys that were squeezed out of existence in the oppressed retail/service industry. Now I'm the consumer. So much a loyal consumer, it hurts. I never buy used games(ouch). I even boycotted Bethesda and sold Oblivion(am I a fanboi?). I mean, I live in the motor city. Is a Japanese car better? Probably, but I drive a Chevy. I too have aquariums, and battle on whos getting my business. I watched my store get squished by Petco. At the end of the day, I'm happy paying a little more, being TOTALLY content with my purchases. I guess I'm lucky that the gamestop by my house takes care of me, I hate waiting for stuff in the mail. Plus the dudes in gamestop are asking who's pre-ordering Demon's Soul's, there telling all who come in about that game. They're cool.

[Karkarov]

To bring this back on topic the big problem I see with DLC's is the lack of quality in many of them. For example Fallout 3. Fallout 3's first DLC "The Battle for Anchorage" was crap. You played a sim game of how the battle was supposed to be, you did not get to keep no gear from inside it, the content itself only took a few hours tops to clear. On the other hand there is "Broken Steel". Broken Steel added a few hours of content yeah, but also gave new weapons, 10 new levels, new perks, opened up the closed ending, and new mobs. It did all of that as well for the same price as Anchorage.

My point being I did not hesitate to buy one of those two DLC's and the other I refused to purchase. Doing it right is easy, we aren't seeing alot of companies that are managing that though. Once again it is going to be on the consumer to refuse to pay Bethesda and microsoft 5 dollars just so they can ride a horse with metal armor. If we keep doing that they will get the message and what DLC there is will be worth the 5-10 dollar price point for those interested.

[harlequ1n]

Actually, I'm along most of you guys when it comes to DLC, I also believe it's a rip-off 90% of the time and I don't remember having purchased any piece of DLC so far. I guess I should also hope for a full-fledged sequel to DS instead of DLC content.

[muskellounger]

I've been ripped off on some DLC, but it was okay cause I liked/supported the developer and the game. It may not have been worth the full amount, but worthy of the add. What if a developer boasted...FREE DLC, and it was quality. Not to say they released a partial game, to say hey, were here for the long run. I think alot more customers would jump on this wagon, and remain seriously loyal. I can't agree more, make the DLC quality! DLC is a very touchy subject with the consumer.

[Leventa]

The only money I've ever spent on DLC was the $11 bucks I dropped on the Play Station Store for the Killzone 2 map pack with all 6 of the new maps inside. I think it was worth it for the fun I've gotten out of it.

[muskellounger]

The only money I've ever spent on DLC was the $11 bucks I dropped on the Play Station Store for the Killzone 2 map pack with all 6 of the new maps inside. I think it was worth it for the fun I've gotten out of it.

I paid for each DLC as they came out for KZ2, then they came out with the bundle. Like I said, I've been ripped off before, but it was money well spent. Guerilla Games has my money, even though "something" should be released for free. Someone do what they've done...for FREE! You will pwn the market.

[Bearcut]

As mentioned above, it's the consumer that can put a stop to DLC overcrowding:
I've read before that in Japan, DLC is much cheaper compared to the US because they know Japanese gamers will not spend extra money on content; basically, they know US gamers will.
For example: The RE5 DLC was five bucks in US but in japan was released for about 2 dollars US. I on purpose did not purchase the DLC out of passive protest, and I assumed many others would do the same since there was a big stink about it on the internet. But, two days after it's release, it was number one on the list of top downloads on PSN. This is just encouraging the developers to do it again next time, maybe for more money.

Sometimes I wonder if that list actually has any correlation to what is being downloaded, because you almost always see something puzzling on it...

[bgx88]

I feel the same as most of you do. I believe DLC can be good for the smaller companies that do not have the AAA budget but make the AAA games. From Software may have additional small details and map designs for the game that were nearly finished but never completed due to time constraints and ultimately budget costs. The land of the titans could be one of those instances. 1 the level is referenced in game and probably already has tie ins with the main story. If the sales figures are more than expected From Software may finish this and publish it as DLC at a decent price and recoupe the deference with cost of the content,
but you never know what may happen. Heck that gate could be reference to the next game and another dark wizard completes the gate and the giants are freed and bring chaos "new bosses" to the next game :)

[Leventa]

If anything, I think that the Land of the Giants is simply another one of many elusive story points in Demon's Souls that requires a bit of your imagination to have impact. It's probably meant to convey the sense that these worlds are in fact being destroyed, and that all is not well and just waiting for you to come along and save the day.

[grainock]

I'm kind of a whimp. After hearing about how difficult this game is,...is there a possibility of an update that will make things kinder to someone who wants to experience the beautiful world of this game, but doesn't want to put in 10+ hrs and get killed over and over. I'm asking about an update that will give the player an option to play in an easier setting? Please to hurt me....:very_sad:

[triplehz_rulez]

dlc would be awesome new armor and weapons and maybe some expansion on there I would pay 10 or 15 bucks for all of that...I just bought some of the fallout 3 stuff but it wasn't that great so I am not buying anymore of that and I shop at gamestop and amazon it depends you have to realize they are doing their jobs I am sure they are told to ask you about the pre order stuff and I don't like gamestop too much just because they are getting into a bunch of gay box stuff and every time I go in there I have to see that crap but if anybody wants to add me my PSN is triplehz_rulez but I did buy a gay box 360 for fable 2 which I sold a week later after I beat the game in 3 days it wasn't even worth the money i spent...I love my ps3 and will over any x box

[Syra]

I'm kind of a whimp. After hearing about how difficult this game is,...is there a possibility of an update that will make things kinder to someone who wants to experience the beautiful world of this game, but doesn't want to put in 10+ hrs and get killed over and over. I'm asking about an update that will give the player an option to play in an easier setting? Please to hurt me....:very_sad:

It's not going to happen. Sure the game will likely alienate many people with its challenge, but it was made that way for a reason. Honestly, I'd say the challenge isn't even as bad as most make it out to be. It's simply that we've come to thrive on perpetual rewards, always getting that instant tidbit of satisfaction, and constantly pushing for the next. Demon's Souls uses an older method of reward, where you slowly, but surely earn it through time and effort. The trade off is that it becomes frustrating, time consuming, and very challenging, but you get a much grander feeling of accomplishment.

Certainly Demon's Souls asks for a hint of masochism, but I'm sure you'll find that the challenge tends to only be as hard as you make it. The better you are at the game, the less dying you'll be doing. That has become a rare trait these days, so while I can understand wishing to avoid the frustration, do remember some of us have been craving a bit of excitement for some time. :P

[Inchcombe]

Gamestop is a horrible store. Obviously, the smaller game stores out there just can't compete with Gamestop paying off developers to include exclusive extras. So they get completely shafted. Gamestop is also partially responsible for taking a great deal of money right out of the pockets of publishers and developers by offering an increasingly larger market for used games and trade ins. I used to be guilty of buying a lot of used games from Gamestop, and then trading some in and getting more, but I've stopped as of late. Even with the crappy economy, I try to save more and buy less games, in exchange for actually supporting the publishers and creators of the game, rather than funding Gamestop.

Quite simply, somebody buying a used copy of Demon's Souls only supports the store from which they purchase it. Plus, a lot of the Gamestop employees I run into either have no idea what games you're looking for when you ask, are jerks, or just want to shove a Madden pre-order down your throat.

The last time I was in Gamestop, I was asked to pre-order stuff no less than 4 times. And twice it was for Madden.

I'd be lying if I didn't agree with you. We're forced to sell subscriptions and reserves in order to keep our jobs and continued business with GameStop. Alpha Protocol has 3 extra weapons you get just for pre-ordering from us instead of another store.

On the other hand, Target was the only one to have an extra mountain in their game, and actually had to put out two separate sets of DLC, one for each version. They are NOT cross-compatible for multiplayer (not that anybody actually plays the game online).

Microsoft is known far and wide for hoarding DLC content and other extras in order to sell more of the ####ty systems they saturate the market with while still taking a loss. 3 years now and they are putting more and more into project bounce-your-baby-like-a-ball-to-score-points AKA Project Natal in order to try and sell accessories and arcade materials.

But let's not forget all the PAIN characters you need to pay for in order to get the trophies in that game... THAT is the real horror behind DLC. Endless amounts of unlocks and downloaded content that they attempt to convince the user is NECESSARY to enjoy the game, while not letting them feel bad for paying only $1-3 per unlock. It's only a few bucks, right?

PSN has a wider array of DLC packs and such because they need it to make up for the free multiplayer services. If the console generation lasts another 5 years, then that's $300 per user microsoft makes off of each customer (which is enough to pay for a new PS3 coincidentally).

The only content I would see From Software producing for this is the sixth archstone. I'd gladly pay $5-10 for it, even if it wouldn't have weapons or armor in there that would unbalance gameplay.

I work for GameStop, and I gotta say the only reason I enjoy it is because I'm actually requested by name from a bunch of customers. I do my best to recommend all games and make sure that they get the best deal they can. Just because I work for GameStop doesn't mean I like the company itself. I know I'm still getting them money when I convince people to buy the subscription or trade-in games, but I only do that when I know they'll be getting a decent amount AKA trade-in specials and buy two get one free. If I don't see a person buying/trading more than $150 of used items in a year, then I don't suggest the magazine unless they like GameInformer (which is actually decent).


Edit: Just tacking this on here, but Fallout 3 GOTY edition is coming out very soon and will have all the DLC packs included for a total price of $60 (game + DLCs). I'm waiting for that to come out before I get back on the Fallout 3 wagon again. You can get the GOTY oblivion used now for prolly $30 and it has the 2 expansions. Maybe a year from now they'll release it yet again with the other DLC content.

Oh, and I got my first 360 the year it came out for Christmas. I opened it up at midnight on Christmas morning and it didn't even work. I cried for a good hour or so.
Went back and got it, kept it long enough to wear it out, and got rid of it. PS3 all the way, even though I won't be getting Kingdom Under Fire II.

[grainock]

I'm kind of a whimp. After hearing about how difficult this game is,...is there a possibility of an update that will make things kinder to someone who wants to experience the beautiful world of this game, but doesn't want to put in 10+ hrs and get killed over and over. I'm asking about an update that will give the player an option to play in an easier setting? Please to hurt me....:very_sad:

It's not going to happen. Sure the game will likely alienate many people with its challenge, but it was made that way for a reason. Honestly, I'd say the challenge isn't even as bad as most make it out to be. It's simply that we've come to thrive on perpetual rewards, always getting that instant tidbit of satisfaction, and constantly pushing for the next. Demon's Souls uses an older method of reward, where you slowly, but surely earn it through time and effort. The trade off is that it becomes frustrating, time consuming, and very challenging, but you get a much grander feeling of accomplishment.

Certainly Demon's Souls asks for a hint of masochism, but I'm sure you'll find that the challenge tends to only be as hard as you make it. The better you are at the game, the less dying you'll be doing. That has become a rare trait these days, so while I can understand wishing to avoid the frustration, do remember some of us have been craving a bit of excitement for some time. :P

thanks...I'll give it a shot.