Doublejump guide is on backorder..

[Soushi_Grapple]

So, I wasn't even aware this had a guide until I opened my case today.

DoubleJump has theirs on backorder.

Where do I get it now? (My Gamestop almost never has them...)

[Juanblue85]

You won't get it from anywhere at all since they stated that they will be late printing this guide so gotta play the waiting game on this one.

[slayn]

I don't think they've started working on the Persona guide because they're still finishing up their Mana Khemia 2 guide, so it'll be at least another month before they put even part of the it up, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was two to three months before the printed guides are ready.

The printed guide will also probably cost $40.

[RayFoxSith]

Yeah, they're supposedly short staffed.

Also, hell to the no if they're gonna put out a $40 guide that will be the size of their usual books.

[slayn]

The impression I get is that DJ is circling the drain :(.

[Gen Eric Gui]

Well, they're not really doing printed guides anymore; any printed guides through them are on a copy-by-copy basis through some online publisher. That's why they're so expensive. If you buy the digital copy it's a lot cheaper.

[slayn]

The flip side is that buying a digital copy defeats the one advantage printed gudies have over GameFAQs.

[Gen Eric Gui]

Well, Doublejump usually does other stuff that you can't get on GameFAQs, like developer interviews and reader questions and things. If the guides were out on time, the information would aslo be available much earlier then through GameFAQs, and is generally a lot more reliable and complete.

[Kakizaki]

the information would aslo be available much earlier then through GameFAQs, and is generally a lot more reliable and complete.

That isn't necessarily true. Especially in this instance.

[Soushi_Grapple]

Oh, well, that's good to hear. I didn't have the money for it and thought it sold out already lol

Some people just like having a physical copy of the guide, though. It's sometimes easier to navigate and way easier for me to just pick up anytime since I'm on dial up and its a pain to log on and log off again just to look up where to go when I'm stuck. I think $30 is the highest I'd pay for a guide; what has the price been in the past? I own almost all of their guides.. but aside P3 and P4 got them second-hand.

[Gen Eric Gui]

the information would aslo be available much earlier then through GameFAQs, and is generally a lot more reliable and complete.

That isn't necessarily true. Especially in this instance.

Well, yeah. That's why I threw in the "If it was on time" and the "generally".

[DamageCity]

I would like to have the DJ guide but I can tell you when I bought the PSP game I waltzed through the first half of it based on memory alone.

Understanding very little of the kanji I was able to get tarots based on common sense (eg. if it's an old and wise demon get Nanjo to talk to them or if it's kind of a strange demon get Mark to talk to them).

It was untill I decided to do the Snow Queen route that I picked up the perfect guide.

[Kakizaki]

@Gen

^I wasn't even taking that into consideration. My comment was in regards to the fact that the guide is based on a port of a much older game that many people are quite familiar with, and many guides are riddled with mistakes and poor information. At least on Gfaqs, there can be some sort of correction made to incorrect info instantly in the form of other users/backlash.

I used to be a big proponent of guides over online faqs just for the extra content / art / etc, but guides in the U.S., and the guide industry here in general, has become laughable.

[slayn]

I think $30 is the highest I'd pay for a guide; what has the price been in the past? I own almost all of their guides.. but aside P3 and P4 got them second-hand.

When they mass-produce the guides, they're 15 or 20 bucks.

Double Jump's basic problem is that the games they make guides for are (generally speaking) so niche that retailers won't stock them (the guides, that is, though you probably won't see many copies of the game, either). I guess the e-guides are just barely keeping them afloat, but I can't imagine it's a sustainable business model when there's a perfectly good, and completely free, option just a few clicks away.

[Yukichin]

I almost definitely won't be buying this guide, if it's $40. I'll buy a guide for that price if it's limited edition (like, say, the Kingdom Hearts II guide from BradyGames), but if it's the size of their normal guides, and the quality of the Persona 4 guide... I'll have to pass. and I love strategy guides.

[slayn]

Technically it is limited edition since they'll either do an incredibly small print run or do it print-on-demand.

[Tsuko]

Technically it is limited edition since they'll either do an incredibly small print run or do it print-on-demand.

Thats what they are going to do

[heyitskeith]

Yea too bad its late. I went on their site first thing thing ready drop 10 bucks on the eguide.

[Killrig]

It's really quite sad about DoubleJump. Up until the Prinny guide, the prices were reasonable. With guides priced at 40 to 45 dollars, they can cost MORE than the game. This is totally obsurd. There's no way this company can survive at those prices.

[four_black_hearts]

You do realize that the cost of small-or-single-run book printings is huge? That publishers, both small and large, are going out of business all across the country? :confused: What is forty dollars, anyway? A tank of gas? An ink cartridge for your printer? A meal for two at any restaurant that's not complete and utter crap? $40 sounds like a steal to me.;)

[Killrig]

$40 sounds like a steal to me.;)

You're welcome to pay $40+ for the guides. If that keeps them in business, then that's great. I want to see them come out of this slump and get back to the price points and availability they had earlier. So by all means, if it's good for you, it's good for them!

I for one, however, cannot justify paying the same cost for the book that I've already paid for the game.

[slayn]

What is forty dollars, anyway?

An absurd amount of money to pay for a strategy guide.

[Tsuko]

What is forty dollars, anyway?

An absurd amount of money to pay for a strategy guide.

Id pay it

[Tsuko]

the information would aslo be available much earlier then through GameFAQs, and is generally a lot more reliable and complete.

That isn't necessarily true. Especially in this instance.

Gamefaqs doesnt have anything for SMT Persona and its been out for a week already

[Enzeru]

Gamefaqs doesnt have anything for SMT Persona and its been out for a week already
A week already? Wow.

Besides, persona1.wikidot.com is the best it's gonna get.

[four_black_hearts]

I think you guys missed my point, but if $40 is too much for you, then please feel free to pay $9.99 for the -e- version. Or, you know, you could play the game *gasp* without a guide! :o

[slayn]

Ten bucks is too much to pay for an electronic guide. Especially in this case, since by the time DJ actually gets the guide out (assuming they do), there will be more than enough stuff on GameFAQs.

[Andrew_Fireborn]

I like the DJ guides, because they're practically a tour of the under the hood portion of the game. I mean, they're small books, but easily contain four or five times the actual information of other publisher's guides. (Though a portion of this is likely the games they generally cover... NIS 'strategy' and other RPGs.)

But, $40 on top of a console game's $50-60 gets a little bit of the sticker shock flying. Looking at the site, you have D2PSP's guide going for $25, while Rune Factory Frontier's guide is $45... Just seems a bit odd...

Though, I've heard they've switched to "On demand" printing, which would explain the shift in pricing somewhat.

[slayn]

Upon further reflection, I may actually get this guide. Not because I need it (the Persona wiki is probably a lot more comprehensive than any printed guide will be), but because I have all their other SMT guides and a gap would drive me nuts. Also, apparently I have more money than sense.

[Soushi_Grapple]

slayn, I agree. I mostly want it to have a guide I can take w/me on the go, since this is a portable game. I'd say $40 is too much, but considering the original magazine guide is never on Ebay (or more than that) I will pick this up regardless.

[Demiath]

I think 10$ is fine for an eGuide and I was very disappointed to see that the Persona guide wasn't out yet. The "read it in a browser" thing is annoying but it's of course entirely possible (though somewhat time-consuming) to print every page to PDF and then merge them into a single file on your computer...

[Raelteh]

Where is everyone getting this price of $40 for the DJ book? I can understand collector's buying the guide for that price, buy $40 for a guide it's the same price as the game. Doesn't that jump in price make it a tad unreasonable to even consider buying? Then again I guess that's where they get there name from Double Jump...

[Killrig]

Where is everyone getting this price of $40 for the DJ book?

Recent Double Jump guides (printeD) have been priced at $40-$45, such as Mana Khemia 2, Rune Factory: Frontier, and Cross Edge. You can view the prices at their online store:

http://djbooks.easystorecreator.com/items/strategy-guides/list.htm?1=1

[neonewtype]

I think the whole $40 thing is rediculous. and single print runs ARE NOT a valid reason for that price. I do small runs all the time with the same type of binding and a higher quality paper and have never paid more than $12 at the most for runs as small as 4. Sounds like they need to get a better print shop. It may sound dumb but they could do their printing through LuLu and still get an isbn and distribution and still sell the books for under $20.

And obviously they aren't makeing a huge profit if they sell the e-guides for $10. so i dont know why they dont use a 3rd party like lulu or blurb who would make the books inexpensively on a print by print basis.

...just saying... not that hard...

[neonewtype]

and no Im not trying to spam or say anything about those sites and direct business. I just happen to use them to print my own stuff for work. I like my strategy guides and don't like over paying or not being able to get them period

[DamageCity]

Any news about this?

I have the japanese guide and it's almost necessary for the Snow Queen Route. The maps are insane.

[introvert]

Just checked the DoubleJump forums and an admin said something about them not having permission to publish a printed guide for Persona, only an eGuide, and that there are "financial" issues getting in the way of that.

What's the story? Will we ever see a guide for this game?

[Inzaghi]

Just checked the DoubleJump forums and an admin said something about them not having permission to publish a printed guide for Persona, only an eGuide, and that there are "financial" issues getting in the way of that.

What's the story? Will we ever see a guide for this game?

Strikes me as more a question for DoubleJump, not us. Their financials are their business.

[Tsuko]

Persona is owned by Atlus so i would think they are in the way of Doublejump making a printed guide unless theres something going on elsewhere

[Nightrayne13x]

Seem's like there is more to the story than we know about... but it's probably best if that is not made public if such exists....

That being said, I hate to see DJ go down under as they have made numbers of wonderful over the top guides in the past (many for atlus' own games) which has helped contribute to the factor of why the games sold and were received so well. I know it's none of anyone's business when it comes to finances, but it be nice for Atlus and DJ to maybe help each other out once in a while. Just saying. Probably more of just a "thoughtful" thought. Again I'm going under the assumption of not knowing anything that's going on and just running with the idea.

Not trying to troll or flame or lead anything in that direction, as I have great respect for both companies for many reasons. It just be nice to see both strive in the future together.

[introvert]

Strikes me as more a question for DoubleJump, not us. Their financials are their business.

The real question was about the issue of them "not having permission" to publish a Persona guide. But hey, if you don't feel like answering, so be it. Whatever the problem is, I hope you guys sort it out, or that you at least sign on with someone else to publish your guides. Though I'd prefer if it wasn't Brady or Prima, some of their recent guides have been pretty poor.

[four_black_hearts]

You guys should just relax, more than likely this has to do with the publisher who owns the rights to the strategy guide in Japan, who is most certainly not Atlus.

[Soushi_Grapple]

I put down the game at a certain turning point in the SEBEC quest just to wait for the guide because I was hoping it would be out way faster than this... Well, back to distracting myself with Grandia :x

[H3artagram]

Just checked the DoubleJump forums and an admin said something about them not having permission to publish a printed guide for Persona, only an eGuide, and that there are "financial" issues getting in the way of that.

What's the story? Will we ever see a guide for this game?

I think this is DJ's way of trying to jam the E-Guide down our throats. How much you wanna bet that if a Persona 3 Portable Guide is made is going to cost more than the game? :frown:

[TheDoctor]

I put down the game at a certain turning point in the SEBEC quest just to wait for the guide because I was hoping it would be out way faster than this... Well, back to distracting myself with Grandia :x

Believe it or not Persona is not a very hard game and you won't be getting everything in one single play-through.

Anyway use this website:

http://persona1.wikidot.com/





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[Soushi_Grapple]

Guess this isn't happening.

[Fuyukaze]

$40 was more then the game cost me. They can keep the guide at that price. I have a strict policy to never pay more then half what the game cost new.

This is pointless though as releasing it now or later wouldnt make them much money at all. Best window for releasing strat guides is when they are still relavent. Persona has been out months now. It's off most peoples radar and those who still care have either wrote their own guide, used someone elses, or played it without.

[Archie55]

I would like to have the DJ guide but I can tell you when I bought the PSP game I waltzed through the first half of it based on memory alone.

Understanding very little of the kanji I was able to get tarots based on common sense (eg. if it's an old and wise demon get Nanjo to talk to them or if it's kind of a strange demon get Mark to talk to them).

It was untill I decided to do the Snow Queen route that I picked up the perfect guide.
Was it this guide? And where did you find it? I don't have this game yet, but I bet that I'll need help on it.

[Soushi_Grapple]

Since he said Perfect Guide, sounds like a Japanese guide. The only guide to the game here was for the original and it was a magazine thats now really rare.