Best straight sword

[DH321]

EXCLUDING the 'valuable weapons' (like rune sword, penetrating, blueblood, etc), what's the best straight sword between the short, long, knight and broad sword? I've been liking the knight sword mostly but I'm just wondering..

And as for the 'best' straight sword, what's the best branch to upgrade it in? I'm focusing mostly on str/dex as well as faith...

Also on a side note, is it worth upgrading ANYTHING with dragonstones? Sure they have good base stats but no addedparams...

[Mooglepies]

Early game the Dragon weapons are awesome. Very little can compare to it if you bother to get enough dragonstone to upgrade to a Dragon Longsword +5; it does 302 damage (split between Physical and Fire) and has a balanced set of attacks, like all normal straight swords.

Broad Sword is pretty good for the extra bleed effect as well (it's an oddity in that it takes sharpstone and not hardstone to upgrade).

[beastxjason]

Knight dragon sword, I agree. Dragon sword wreak havoc early on especially against invading bp's

[ZomDizae]

Early game the Dragon weapons are awesome. Very little can compare to it if you bother to get enough dragonstone to upgrade to a Dragon Longsword +5; it does 302 damage (split between Physical and Fire) and has a balanced set of attacks, like all normal straight swords.

Broad Sword is pretty good for the extra bleed effect as well (it's an oddity in that it takes sharpstone and not hardstone to upgrade).
I wouldn't waste those precious chunks of dragonstone on the Dragon longsword. Why not build a Dragon Knight Sword +5? It's stronger and looks way better IMHO. ;)

@DH321
Knight Sword is surely the strongest of the bunch.
As for weapon variant, I think THE strongest would be a Moon Knight Sword +5, but you'd need to begin upping that magic stat...

Also, it's worth mentioning that while dragon weapons are devastating at low levels, they become virtually useless in NG++ and subsequent runs.

[Mooglepies]

Knight Sword is better but you pick a Dragon Long Sword +2 up off the floor during the course of the game. That can be pretty decisive.

[DH321]

Oh well, I just wanted to know about straightswords and dragonstone.

And I know dragon weapons get useless later, but I'm very sure by then that I'll be loaded up with my blessed/moon knight swords ;)

[Jorlen]

Early game the Dragon weapons are awesome. Very little can compare to it if you bother to get enough dragonstone to upgrade to a Dragon Longsword +5; it does 302 damage (split between Physical and Fire) and has a balanced set of attacks, like all normal straight swords.

Broad Sword is pretty good for the extra bleed effect as well (it's an oddity in that it takes sharpstone and not hardstone to upgrade).

Absolutely agree. Dragon sword, upgraded, is what I still use now. That and a crescent falchion.

[Eternal Sin]

anything else that's amazing if not better than a Dragon Knight Sword +5?
I'd imagine maybe crescent uchigatana +5 or fully upgraded makoto.

[Karkarov]

Any weapon upgraded to moon or blessed will typically be better Eternal. But when you are talking Moon +5 "insert weapon here" you are probably talking second playthrough at least. Check out the wikidot page if you want all the known stats, there is plenty stuff out there better than dragon weapons.

It is said in many places already (maybe not this specific thread) but in the end player skill is really what matters most. There is no "clear cut" best weapon, some are just better than others for specific situations or stat builds/playstyles.

[Eternal Sin]

Oh my skill is just fine. Im just curious what other weapons are equivalent to dragon stuff since i want to try out other things. I find the game plays out like monster hunter; dont get hit & you're skill goes up as you memorize enemy AI.

[Karkarov]

Well I hope they do a better job with the AI than monster hunter. I can understand bosses following a pattern but I would appreciate most normal mobs being able to adapt on the fly and be more... unpredictable. I am pretty confident it will be steeper on the challenge regardless.

[Eternal Sin]

A good portion of mobs have repeating AI but trust me they'll still kill you even if you know how they'll act ;)

[ZomDizae]

@Karkarov
Seeing at your avatar, look at it this way: It's almost like KF but a bit more advanced, nothing too fancy. They come at you as soon as you're either in "Sound radius" or field of view and try to slaughter you to death... simple but effective. Like in KF, serves its purpose well. No need for fancy complicated stuff, it's still an atmospherical dungeon crawler. It's more effective this way and there's always PvP if you want some serious battles.

[Karkarov]

@Karkarov
Seeing at your avatar, look at it this way: It's almost like KF but a bit more advanced, nothing too fancy. They come at you as soon as you're either in "Sound radius" or field of view and try to slaughter you to death... simple but effective. Like in KF, serves its purpose well. No need for fancy complicated stuff, it's still an atmospherical dungeon crawler. It's more effective this way and there's always PvP if you want some serious battles.

Thats what I figured. Considering I have done no death runs of every KF released stateside I am not too terribly worried. My biggest concern is that those high school reflexes have faded (I am 19 I swear) and I am of course a little rusty and out of practice. It sort of sucks to think back and realize it has been 6 years since the last time I played the ancient city. *goes rummaging*

PvP on the other hand I will wait and see. I sort of think I will be on the short end there because I play over a wireless network and most mmo's hate my guts. Even though in general I don't enjoy being the "instigator" in PvP conflicts I do like the concept of the stalking and ambushing etc. So I am sort of looking forward to doing a little invading.

[Mooglepies]

Any weapon upgraded to moon or blessed will typically be better Eternal. But when you are talking Moon +5 "insert weapon here" you are probably talking second playthrough at least. Check out the wikidot page if you want all the known stats, there is plenty stuff out there better than dragon weapons.

It is said in many places already (maybe not this specific thread) but in the end player skill is really what matters most. There is no "clear cut" best weapon, some are just better than others for specific situations or stat builds/playstyles.

Crescent is better than Moon if your magic stat is much higher than Strength or Dex.

Meat Cleaver is generally regarded as being the best weapon for MOST situations, especially at higher level play. If you're in a narrow corridor, then definitely not, and at lower levels the two S rank and A rank bonuses won't matter so much thanks to the low base damage, but certainly once you hit 200-300 it becomes a monster.

For an all-purpose weapon on a first playthrough I recommend a longsword (or a Knight Sword if you can find one) and/or a Claymore.

[KTA]

Does anyone has a Rune Sword +5???

I'm just curious how the grade progression goes (if any) since it's not really detailed in the wiki on that weapon.

I was thinking about trying it out but don't want to waste the colorless souls if it's not worth it.

[Karkarov]

It isnt worth it to take rune to +5, it's damage scaling does not improve at all. While it does have the highest BASE magic damage in the game (205 at +5) it does not scale with faith or magic. Ultimately it is easily outpaced by other weapons that have magic damage and do scale.

[Eskol]

Does anyone has a Rune Sword +5???

I'm just curious how the grade progression goes (if any) since it's not really detailed in the wiki on that weapon.

I was thinking about trying it out but don't want to waste the colorless souls if it's not worth it.

Rune Sword +5 Phys 30dmg Mag 205dmg D/E/-/- Magic Defense +60 it does scale but barely and only on phys dmg

I agree, I love looking at rune sword but the scaling isn't enough to hold onto it for ever.

[KTA]

Thanks guys, i'll stick with my crescent uchi for now.

[Karkarov]

Just to give you a fair example a +5 moon knight sword is 128 physical and 143 magic and scales at E str and dex and C magic.

[KTA]

Just to give you a fair example a +5 moon knight sword is 128 physical and 143 magic and scales at E str and dex and C magic.

if i ever get a pure moonstone i'll make that and see how it multiplies with my stats.

I've had a moon winged spear +4 since my first playthrough, great back then but eh I can't use a spear in PVP, get me killed.

Unless i'm a dick and scrape spear someone :eek:

I better get moonstone on play 4....

And thanks BTW karkarov you've been very helpful with this game.

[DocBooch]

Has anyone tried to forge a +5 Dragon Great Sword? The damage on that is a ridiculous 249 physical and 249 fire. It's a strength D and dex E. I'd love to make one, but it requires almost 100 shards, a ton of chunks, and TWO pure stones.

I'd imagine you could lay a woopin with it though.

[DocBooch]

Just to give you a fair example a +5 moon knight sword is 128 physical and 143 magic and scales at E str and dex and C magic.

if i ever get a pure moonstone i'll make that and see how it multiplies with my stats.

I've had a moon winged spear +4 since my first playthrough, great back then but eh I can't use a spear in PVP, get me killed.

Unless i'm a dick and scrape spear someone :eek:

I better get moonstone on play 4....

And thanks BTW karkarov you've been very helpful with this game.

The drop rate increases to almost 20% in Pure Black Tendency. The one I farmed it from was the lizard right before fighting the Old Monk, but the one before the last heart chain also can drop one. That's 8 lizards in one playthrough.

The one by old monk is a slippery one. You need to take out the last BP Gaurdian (octopus guy) without startling him. AntiMagic field renders him completely useless. I never travel the Tower of Latria without it.

[Eskol]

Has anyone tried to forge a +5 Dragon Great Sword? The damage on that is a ridiculous 249 physical and 249 fire. It's a strength D and dex E. I'd love to make one, but it requires almost 100 shards, a ton of chunks, and TWO pure stones.

I'd imagine you could lay a woopin with it though.

where did you hear that? lol dragon great sword is
245 245 -/-/-/-

[DocBooch]

I took the modifiers off the Asian wiki, do they disappear when you upgrade to dragon? I took the 249 from memory....only off by 4. :)

[Eskol]

yea the dmg is correct but the modifiers are different for every upgrade chain, dragon has no added params, crushing is a str based weapon that gets stronger with higher str, blessed is faith, so it does go away when you change from great sword to dragon GS+1

[DocBooch]

I'm glad I didn't waste time farming all those stones then....although 500 points of straight damage still doesn't sound that bad.

[Eskol]

crushing is a great way to mod the great sword it does 195(i think) and has a S str bonus so it will be way better than the dragon, but at lower levels, dragon weps are great, they just won't last for ever. if your planning on NG+ and NG++ dragon won't be as helpful.

[Karkarov]

Dragon weapons are still great for certain encounters in the game regardless because there are mobs weak to fire.

And KTA, thanks :)

[Eskol]

I agree, Karkarov you are a very well informed and helpful member on the forums, not just to me or KTA i notice your always helping out.

And yes the Dragon is still a good sword but on NG++...lol

[KTA]

The drop rate increases to almost 20% in Pure Black Tendency. The one I farmed it from was the lizard right before fighting the Old Monk, but the one before the last heart chain also can drop one. That's 8 lizards in one playthrough.

The one by old monk is a slippery one. You need to take out the last BP Gaurdian (octopus guy) without startling him. AntiMagic field renders him completely useless. I never travel the Tower of Latria without it.

Yep I was pure black, my luck at the time was 19 and I did have on the sword of searching. No moonstone, (pure anyway)... and I spent 2 hours farming in 4 - 2 (back tracking from 3) soul sucking the BP skeleton. No friggin pure bladestone!

On the positive side my lvl is now 179 lol. I did boost my luck to 25 so my drop rate is 200 even I think with the sword of searching.

I'm just going to give them another go in play 4. I want to wrap up my plat!