I am stuck :(

[Nephlabobo]

I'm stuck on day...3 I think where you go to the cemetery for the first time and fight Beldr

Can't beat him.

I grind and grind and grind and fuse and fuse and fuse.

I'm getting paltry amounts of experience from the one open battle available to me and I'm just repeatedly getting killed during the boss battle.

What can I do?

I'm pretty much ready to give up because I have been stuck on it for over a week.

[ShadowYuri]

First, only the Protagonist can damage him. (choose the Attack command, which becomes Devil's Fuge for the fight)

So, I recommend using skills like Aggravate (Racial Skill) to have a guaranteed critical (there is another demon who can do that effect while in combat mode, but this is a high-level one, so I don't know if you can fusion him or not). Also, spend your level ups boosting your strenght.

This fight isn't very "fair", because if you take too long to defeat the boss (and with ONE character, it can take a bit of time), he calls his demons again...
But honestly, you can win this. Cheer up! You have to survive! :)

[Gen Eric Gui]

Get a Kishin Ubelluris and put him in the MC's team so you can attack twice a round. If you can, give the MC Resist Fire. Spam Devil's Fuge (I'm pretty sure that STR does not affect the damage done by this attack, because I had different STR scores in the couple of times I've fought the battle, but I alwasy did the same damage to Beldr regardless).

Everyone else should focus on keeping MC healthy, and should do the best they can in fending off the second wave of demons that appears. They just need to keep them away from Beldr so they can't heal him. Once he can no longer heal himself, the fight is easy.

[Nephlabobo]

It doesn't matter who I add because I just keep getting turned to stone and killed every goddamn battle! :(

[Ephidel]

If you have Anti-Mystic that has some ailment defense built in and could help against petrification if equipped. I can't recall if its available at that stage in the game though :|

I do second having a Kishin though (although the one I fused for the fight was the next one up from Ubelluris, Nalagiri). Being able to attack twice makes the fight much more doable.
I can't say much about a 'second' demon for the party though, as I kept switching in and out (one for speed to get near him in the first place, one for healing, one to use when whatever demon I had there before died horribly or ran out of mana :P)

I recall trying to use the other characters as a barrier to keep the other demons away from him too, so that they wouldn't keep healing him.

[Nephlabobo]

I have been stuck for over a week now, with absolutely no progress whatsoever no matter how much I try and level up and no matter what demons I fuse.

#### you Atlus. This game sucks ass.

I'm done with it.

Most disappointing Atlus game ever.

[Rednusander]

^ Tone it down, buddy. You don't have to like everything we produce, but remember who's forums you're on. That kind of language directed at us or anyone on the forums is unacceptable.

[Kenji]

I did my first attempt on this battle, last night. I had it under control through the first wave and until Beldr was in the red, but then I lost control. It was a combination of Vampire Mist, a few Charms and Medias, and my main character getting petrified.

But, hey, difficulty's one of the many reasons I buy MegaTen. :) I'll kill him next time, and a lot of these tips are very helpful.

I'll keep my opening game the same, with my three party members taking down the first wave of demons while Masaru (my protag) stays fresh and approaches the boss. Except, instead of Silky and Kikuri-Hime, I'll have Nalagiri and Mezuki, thanks to the suggestions here.

With Aggravate and Double Up, I'll finish the fight.

[Gen Eric Gui]

I have been stuck for over a week now, with absolutely no progress whatsoever no matter how much I try and level up and no matter what demons I fuse.

#### you Atlus. This game sucks ass.

I'm done with it.

Most disappointing Atlus game ever.

Look, we've told you exactly how to beat the boss. He is not that difficult.

Beldr only takes damage from the Devil's Fuge, which only your main character has. Thus, you need to maximize the amount of attacking time that the MC gets, and nobody else on the team matters for squat. Every single time you hit with the Devil's Fuge, it's a "weakness" hit that cancels Beldr's extra turns and gives you an extra one. With a Kishin that's 4 attacks possible per round, and Beldr will focus on attacking only the MC unless somebody else is the only character in range.

If he keeps petrifying you, equip a skill that prevents Petrification, or equip your other teams with the skill that removes status ailments(I want to say it's Amrita), which you shold have in your cracked skill list as well as on several healing demons at that point.

With a Kishin to give you double turns and either a healing demon to keep your HP up or some other kind of booster demon to augment your ability to use the Devil's Fuge (I hear that demons with Aggrivate help deal more damage), there should be absolutely no issue in beating Beldr.

Instead of just proclaiming the game is broken because your strategy isn't working, try refining the strategy and making it work another way. That's the entire point of a "strategy RPG" isn't it? The game obviously isn't broken, because everybody else has been able to beat the boss. I think the big problem here is that you seem to think that levelling up is going to solve your problem, when that NEVER helps in Megaten games. Levelling up isn't going to get you jack squat in this game, you need to learn how to play the system and how to utilize the abilities of your demons and your team to make the sitations work.

You can do it. I know you can. You just need to stop stubbornly looking at this as a "levelling problem" and start looking at it as a "planning problem". The very fact that you beat Wendigo on the first day provbes that you know how to use this concept, so I know you can do it again.

[Nephlabobo]

Screw it, I've already started Phoenix Wright 2.

[Kenji]

He is not that difficult.
Truer words were never spoken. With Double Up and Aggravate, Beldr was dead in two rounds of attack (six attacks; I missed once). His second wave never even got to move.

Well... off to meet the gigolo of Kannagi-cho.

[Thray-Sama]

[Sorry to hijack this thread but I've not made enough posts to start a new one! *angry*]

What's the best path to follow if I want to get Midori as a playable character? I bought the game yesterday on import and it's seriously addictive even though I'm only on day one trying to find the secret exit in the Yamanote Line area!

[Foobar]

There's not really a specific path to getting Midori, just follow goings-on with her and Keisuke and you'll get her on your team.

Though she's really not that useful. Her stats fall into the mage side of things.

[Thray-Sama]

Thanks for the advice, Foobar... I'll try that out...

Do you have any further advice on how to play the game? I've kind of gotten used to using the demon spells against the other demons by utilising weaknesses in battle but I'm not finding it easy to defeat all of them.

Are Free Battles the type of battles that you can flee from and automatically get healed up then fight and flee again and again until your characters are of a suitable level to beat them in one go.

[Foobar]

You can flee to your hearts content in Free Battles, just not story or boss battles.

Just keep in mind, unlike our OP here, that the traits you give your characters and demons will also go a long way in helping you defeat bosses. Shin Megami Tensei games tend to go against the "outlevel the boss" RPG approach, adhere to it and you'll be destroyed in the bigger battles.

As far as traits go, most of the physical attack ones seem to be derived from Strength and Agility stats, so if you want physical attacks for your hero, you may wish to apply his points toward those stats so you can gain access to physical traits and skills.

Use free battles to crack as many skills as possible, even if you can use the ability yet, you can still crack it for later use. Don't fret if you miss a crack skill in boss or story fights, though, in general you'll get a chance to get them again. Auto Skills are the trickiest ones to collect, so don't feel bad if you don't get too many.

Also, Pierce and Holy Dance are awesome, so its Blitzkrieg, Dual Shadow and any magic/MP/physical boosting ability/trait. Outfit characters with high magic skill with a variety of spells and support abilities, but be sure to team them up with Demons that have physical skills or a mix of magic and physical, just to offset any potential weaknesses in a team. Vice versa for your more physcially built humans, team them up with some magical demons with a physical skill.

[dungeon_man]

I have been stuck for over a week now, with absolutely no progress whatsoever no matter how much I try and level up and no matter what demons I fuse.

#### you Atlus. This game sucks ass.

I'm done with it.

Most disappointing Atlus game ever.


They say that doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a sign of insanity. If you are getting turned to stone over and over, try some different tactics. Bring the Amrita and Anti-Mystic skills, make killing the basilisks a priority, etc. If you lack the skills and demons to handle that battle, do the free battle to crack some skills, earn some exp, and buy/fuse demons who are better suited to the task at hand.

Either way, don't blame Atlus for your lack of ability. Everybody wants a scapegoat these days.

[boryumugo]

Dont give up!
Tips:
-Switch trick: give yuzu a demon that can switch, when she is done moving, switch her and MC. This will quicken things up a bit.
-surround MC with your other characters, they can be a sacrifise if it mean something can be defeated
-Free battles, like someone mentioned, free battles are the best way to get macca and exp during the earlier stages of the game. At day 4 or 5, you should already be grinding because the bosses are too hard for a team that only plays boss battles.
-Fusing demons that you leveled up, sometimes, when you fuse those demons, it gives the product more bonus stats in fields than if you were to fuse 2 demons that just just brought.

*I give credit for all those who had said something like this before I did.

[Thray-Sama]

I've just gotten to the battle where I have to rescue Haru and I can't get to her because my characters aren't moving fast enough even though my hero and the hacker dude already have the demons who can teleport in their parties...

What should I do to improve my chances of success?

Also, does anyone have any advice on fusions?

[dungeon_man]

Get one with Devil Speed?

Give one person a Demon with Flight or Devil Speed and Demon with Animal Leg, so you can move, attack, and move again. You can go really far like that.

Haru can take a couple hits, but bringing a long-range healer (Fairy or Femme families) helps out when you get close but can't quite reach her.

[Gen Eric Gui]

Megami family demons have even longer range healing.

Also, Switch helps a lot, so bring an Avatar. Since most of the enemies will gravitate towards Haru, have one team with Devil Speed and Switch approach really fast and then switch places so that Haru is in the middle of your own pack of characters.

[pinn]

You can flee to your hearts content in Free Battles, just not story or boss battles.

Just keep in mind, unlike our OP here, that the traits you give your characters and demons will also go a long way in helping you defeat bosses. Shin Megami Tensei games tend to go against the "outlevel the boss" RPG approach, adhere to it and you'll be destroyed in the bigger battles.

As far as traits go, most of the physical attack ones seem to be derived from Strength and Agility stats, so if you want physical attacks for your hero, you may wish to apply his points toward those stats so you can gain access to physical traits and skills.

Use free battles to crack as many skills as possible, even if you can use the ability yet, you can still crack it for later use. Don't fret if you miss a crack skill in boss or story fights, though, in general you'll get a chance to get them again. Auto Skills are the trickiest ones to collect, so don't feel bad if you don't get too many.

Also, Pierce and Holy Dance are awesome, so its Blitzkrieg, Dual Shadow and any magic/MP/physical boosting ability/trait. Outfit characters with high magic skill with a variety of spells and support abilities, but be sure to team them up with Demons that have physical skills or a mix of magic and physical, just to offset any potential weaknesses in a team. Vice versa for your more physcially built humans, team them up with some magical demons with a physical skill.

Hi,

sorry to hijack the thread but I have a daft question. For the life of me I don't understand how I crack skills. It seems that after certain battles I auto learn skills but how can I choose the ones I want to try to crack?

I think as I haven't done this before I've left my self in a really tricky position; I'm on the third day and have either Bugeikan or KUdan####a battles open to me, Unfortunately I get my ass kicked easily on both.

Any advice would be appreicated.

Thanks

[Gen Eric Gui]

When you're setting up your party before the battle starts, you should be able to assign Crack skills to each party member. Take note of exactly which enemy you are targeting to learn the skill from, because the character who is cracking the skill has to be the one who actually -kills- that enemy to learn the skill. If somebody else kills that enemy, you won't learn anything.

[pinn]

Hi,

when I go to battle, I have 3 options only - edit team, positions and dispatch, I don't see anyway to set the crack skill. :?

[Sleepless Neko]

Hi,

when I go to battle, I have 3 options only - edit team, positions and dispatch, I don't see anyway to set the crack skill. :?

Th crack option will appear in day 2 or 3 (I don't really remember). The game will notice you when the option become available.

[pinn]

Hi,

like i said in my OP,I am on day 3 and on my emails I do have one re. cracking.
Is this a bug maybe as I can't see this option anywhere?

[Archie55]

When he brings back his minons, go for the ones that can heal him. I think it's easiest since then only he can heal himself. If you need more help, then just google Devil Survivor guides or walkthroughs. That's how i got through some of the days. The only have up to a certain point, though.

[Silverevilchao]

When you're setting up your party before the battle starts, you should be able to assign Crack skills to each party member. Take note of exactly which enemy you are targeting to learn the skill from, because the character who is cracking the skill has to be the one who actually -kills- that enemy to learn the skill. If somebody else kills that enemy, you won't learn anything.

Me, I just got sick of having the wrong people kill them and assigned everyone to the same person. Guaranteed skill crack, muahaha. :P

Back on topic, I know for a FACT that Devil's Fuge is not connected to STR, because my character is ALWAYS a magic nuke (and thus with low STR), yet I still do a sizable amount of damage with the move.

[Archie55]

So... I assume I can ask this here, but now I'm stuck. I'm on the Beliel battle. I keep leveling up, but it's gonna be a while till I get to 55 or higher. Suggestions?

[Kenji]

I repeatedly hear from my friends that Belial is one of the toughest fights in the game. I can't say I disagree, because I was very surprised by just how strong he was compared to his minions (who I could drop like punks). This isn't really a strategy, but I'll tell you what I ended up doing.

In my particular game, the protagonist is actually the lowest leveled human in the party, because I treat him like a Chess king and don't risk him in combat if I can help it. My highest leveled member is Yuzu, and much of my strategy revolves around her, so my party tends to spread out at her speed.

I decided I was going to use this as an opportunity to level up my protag, so I loaded him with Bufudyne and Ice Jump, and gave him allies who were fire-resistant. The protag, himself, had Null Fire. However, as it turned out, he was unable to produce enough damage to counter Belial's 10% end-round recovery.

In my second attempt, I replaced Bufudyne with Ice Dance, using the same basic setup. The damage output was marginally better, but not enough to carry a battle.

I ended up putting putting together a provisional solution. I just happened to have Abaddon with Yuzu, and she just happened to be between the protag and Belial on a narrow pathway, so I used my protagonist as a meat shield while she took advantage of Chaos Wave and bombed Belial with Zandyne, which did easily double the damage of what Belial was technically weak to.

So, basically, my strategy ultimately boiled down to using the protagonist as a meat shield, Yuzu as artillery, and Midori and Atsurou to distract the minions. I ended up losing Atsurou, but victory was the reward.

[Archie55]

K, so, just wondering, what level was Yuzu at? And were there any skills you need to crack in that battle?

[Kenji]

52. Not sure where that lies on the overleveling scale.

Since she was the one who killed Belial, and I had originally planned for the protagonist to do it, there was nothing I cracked from him.

I don't think I used anything extraordinary, either. There were the skills I mentioned and some other stuff that seemed like a good idea.

[Archie55]

Yeah, that worked for me, so thanks! now I have to battle Amnae and her army of follwers so I can get to Jezebel with Naoya. I think that it will only take some heavy leveling since I have Hero, Atsuro, Naoya, and Kaido, which are all real powerhouses in mine.

[Archie55]

Okay, so, sorry if I seem kinda annoying because I keep asking for help, but, now I need help on Jezabel. I have Naoya, Hero, Atsuro, and Kaido.

Edit: If anyone is reading this, than I have gotten past that part. But now I'm stuck on the giant bug bel. I can't remember his name... Belbouzle I think. Not the very high up one, but the one before that. If that helps you help me, then I'd apperciate this.

[Kiara]

Belzaboul. Ohhh, Belzaboul.

YOU NEED AMRITA AND/OR AFFECTION. If you can't heal status effects, you're gonna have a really hard time here.

First, you've got a wave of demons on your hands. Ohhh, how lovely. Stay out of Belzaboul's overly large attack range (luckily, he can't move) and keep beating them; I recommend cracking Prayer from Norn, but that can probably be done later. While beating up these enemies, don't let your health or mana get too low. Save it for Belzaboul if you can.

When you've defeated two enemy teams, the rest of 'em turn to maggots. Even better, they can plant eggs in your characters, which is an ability called Spawn. Belzaboul can use Spawn, too. After a few turns, these eggs will hatch, dealing a ton of damage, possibly killing the character, and bringing a new team of maggots to the field. If you get egged, AMRITA. Or Affection, if you swing that way. Maggots get in the way.

Maggots are strong against everything, but they have relatively low HP. Go for the leader when you fight 'em. Hopefully, you won't need to fight them too much.

When the maggots appear, run over to Belzaboul and surround him. Attack with all you've got; heal when necessary. By "when necessary," I mean "whenever you get egged." Again, you don't want to deal with more maggots than you have to.

Tyrants are really good to have on your team. They'll delay Belzaboul's turns and give you MP after the battle.

Laksmi's a pretty good healer; I used her when I fought this battle the first time. Astaroth and Hecate are pretty good Tyrants, but you can only have one of each.

It took me a few tries to beat this one the first time. Just keep trying and you'll get it.

[Archie55]

Thanks, I'll try this. The last help I got from this forum helped. Hopefully this does too. But the one question I have is Why did they have to make the Bel's so freaking hard?? I breezed both Deva battles in the same hour. Without grinding. Partailly because I have the stupid challenges from the beginning of the day. But they were so simple.

[Archie55]

Sorry, atlus. I've started over. I'm a little dissapointed. I still love the game, but... Eh, the Bel's need to be weaker. I don't think that a game that I am forced to grind nonstop just to barely get by is a favorite. Don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna quit forever, I've just started over. I like a challenge every once in a while, but not to hard. I'm gonna go back to it, but just wondering: Do I have to fight the bel in question on Yuzu's path?

[Foobar]

Bezelboul is on all paths, to my knowledge.

Grinding isn't going to help you win anyway, only building strong characters and cracking every skill you can is going to help. Merely leveling up never gets you anywhere in a SMT or SMT spin-off game.

Things like Affection, Pierce /w strong physical attacks, Dance magic, Almighty spells are what you want to work toward. Skills that affect movement, physical damage and attack range are also big assets.

Beelzebuol has always been a bastard, regardless of the game he appears in. He's Beelzebub, its to be expected.

[Archie55]

Aww, well that's kinda a bummer. Well, no point in trying to beat around the bush if the bush is a forest. But hey, I wanted to try different things anyways. Like keep a few people alive. But I heard Yuzu's path is semi easier than Naoya/Kaido's. BUT ONE DAY, YOU SHALL DIE, BELZABOUL. THIS, I SWEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Archie55]

Ok. I'm back! Right now, I'm on Beldr, which I won't be stuck on, but I have a couple q's. When Keisuke goes all justice freak, and he summons Yama, what day do I have the ability to fight them? You know, Keisuke and Yama. I think that it has police and normal civies in it. But anyways, after that, are the Bel's ever fuseable? I WANT THEM!!! I'm pretty sure that Lucifer is fuseable.

[Kiara]

Nope, you can't fuse the Bels, I'm afraid. They're too godmoddy, really- Beldr nulls everything, some of 'em have insane attack ranges, all of them have some sort of attack that can hit anything and everything on the board... They're just meant for boss fights. But you CAN fuse Lucifer once you beat him, which you can do after your first playthrough. Be forewarned that he IS the hardest demon to beat; it's recommended to grind to level 99 to even think about fighting him.

Yuzu's path is, by far, the easiest. I played through all of them, Yuzu being the last. The only Bel you absolutely need to fight for that path is Beldr. There's a way to avoid Belial, but... It's... Not cool. (I did enjoy being called Mr. Failure, though. 8D) Naoya and Kaido have the absolute hardest route, I believe.

As for Keisuke... I accidentally killed him and Mari off the first time I played because I didn't know how to save them. Find Mari's bag and give it to Kaido, then stalk Keisuke like there's no tomorrow (there ain't many tomorrows anyway). I never remember an exact time, so I always just look for anything with Keisuke's name on it. It works quite well P:

Yuzu's path is a good one to take for your first complete playthrough. It's easy to beat (if you lose, you're in pretty bad shape, really), and afterward, you can have all these godmodding demons that'll take out all your enemies in one hit. I love having Hero take out Wendigo when Amane's supposed to. xP

By the way, when the end comes... I love having Garuda on my team. Flight and Phantasma are very handy abilities, especially during the end of every non-Yuzu route.

[Archie55]

You wouldn't mind telling me how to aviod belial, would you? Fight the Bels is knda unfair. And I wouldn't mind being called Mr. Failure...
Ok, things to do after I hand Beldrs his: find Mrs. Mari's bag, give to kaido, and then... Well, *cues The Stalker on his iPod*.

[Archie55]

And by the way: If I have a level 30 something demon, in a new game plus, since the humans level go back to 1, does the demon stay at 30? Or does it start at the level that it can be fused at?

[Kiara]

The demon stays at the level it's at. Trust me, I have level 70+ demons. xD

It's not good for my mental health to avoid Belial... But if you're taking the Yuzu route, I guess it's okay. You have to let Haru die. I did it just to see what would happen. I felt so horrible... xD;;

[Archie55]

The demon stays at the level it's at. Trust me, I have level 70+ demons. xD

It's not good for my mental health to avoid Belial... But if you're taking the Yuzu route, I guess it's okay. You have to let Haru die. I did it just to see what would happen. I felt so horrible... xD;;
Okay, I'm sorry I'm going to send you to a mental institution, but to I just say "go for it" or do I just ignore that event?

[dungeon_man]

I don't think the bosses should be easier. They are meant to be challenging. In the case of the Bels, you're talking about a group of demons whose collective power rivals that of God. Of course they're going to be strong.

One trick that may help you if you get stuck is to abuse Blood Wine.

When I fought Belial, I had a guy with a Phantasma demon lead Belial in circles while other members of my party took turns sharing and healing my one Divine demon (Divines all have Blood Wine) which allowed me to Recarm everybody and fill up their HP/MP.

Likewise, I used Blood Wine to recover a bit after killing Belzaboul's minions before rushing the boss. (I stayed out of his range until all of the minions were dead) This was important because, excluding Atsuro with Pierce, everybody had to use magic (or magical reflects) to hurt him.

I've also had good luck using Drain. It goes through any resistance and, if you take away enough MP, it limits their available actions. Fairy - Vivian is good at this.

[Kiara]

The demon stays at the level it's at. Trust me, I have level 70+ demons. xD

It's not good for my mental health to avoid Belial... But if you're taking the Yuzu route, I guess it's okay. You have to let Haru die. I did it just to see what would happen. I felt so horrible... xD;;
Okay, I'm sorry I'm going to send you to a mental institution, but to I just say "go for it" or do I just ignore that event?
You ignore the event.

[Archie55]

Okay, I'll pay for your first asylum bill. Thanks for the help, fellow survivor. Did you have any trouble with the end bosses? Like... After Belzaboul? Cuz I'm gonna shank a penguin if Loki and Remiel and any other demons I have are constantly getting killed, lol.

[Kiara]

The last few bosses are hard, but their turns come slowly. However, I DEFINITELY recommend phantasma or flight (flight is better) for them. It makes life so much easier. I have a Garuda on every team xD

The last bosses are kind of hard, but after playing Yuzu's route, they should be relatively easy. The final boss for Yuzu's route is pretty easy; if you had no problem with the Devas, you shouldn't have a problem here.

I played through Naoya's route first. I'm a sucker for that kind of character. :P Anyway, I did have some trouble, but like I said, Yuzu's route will make your future playthroughs so much easier.

And you know, the dungeon_man's right. Personally, though, I never had the blessing of a Divine. :P I don't believe I had Drain on anyone aside from Keisuke, either. Still, both tips actually look like they might have helped me on my first playthrough xD

[Archie55]

Yeah, thanks.
...One more question. After I avoid Beliel, can I only take Yuzu's route? Because... I'm pretty sure that all the other endings require you to become the king of, like, everything. Which would be impossible if there is something you missed.
But anyways, I'm going to destroy Beldr soon! I haven't been playing this game very much. I've been so busy lately.

[InvisibleMan]

I repeatedly hear from my friends that Belial is one of the toughest fights in the game. I can't say I disagree, because I was very surprised by just how strong he was compared to his minions (who I could drop like punks). This isn't really a strategy, but I'll tell you what I ended up doing.

In my particular game, the protagonist is actually the lowest leveled human in the party, because I treat him like a Chess king and don't risk him in combat if I can help it. My highest leveled member is Yuzu, and much of my strategy revolves around her, so my party tends to spread out at her speed.

I decided I was going to use this as an opportunity to level up my protag, so I loaded him with Bufudyne and Ice Jump, and gave him allies who were fire-resistant. The protag, himself, had Null Fire. However, as it turned out, he was unable to produce enough damage to counter Belial's 10% end-round recovery.

In my second attempt, I replaced Bufudyne with Ice Dance, using the same basic setup. The damage output was marginally better, but not enough to carry a battle.

I ended up putting putting together a provisional solution. I just happened to have Abaddon with Yuzu, and she just happened to be between the protag and Belial on a narrow pathway, so I used my protagonist as a meat shield while she took advantage of Chaos Wave and bombed Belial with Zandyne, which did easily double the damage of what Belial was technically weak to.

So, basically, my strategy ultimately boiled down to using the protagonist as a meat shield, Yuzu as artillery, and Midori and Atsurou to distract the minions. I ended up losing Atsurou, but victory was the reward.

That is a very interesting overall strategy, Kenji... I do exactly the opposite: My protagonist is the highest-leveled party memeber because I put him up front and center on every battle, and focus on his leveling the most. I also focus on his Strength, so he is also the one with the most powerful physical attacks. But your approach shows how versatile and deep the battle system in this game is!

[Archie55]

Question of ya!! I just did what needs to be done in order to avoid Beliel. My death clock didn't change. What's up? Am I going to have to fight a certain beast for my life, or what? I need to know!!

[Kiara]

No worries, dood. Just keep sailin' through.

Sorry for the late reply. I've been having virus problems lately. C:>

[Archie55]

That's fine. I've been enjoying this and Persona for PSP for a while. AND I SAVED KESUKIE!! The fight wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. But that might be because I spam everyone with holy dance now, lol.

[Archie55]

Okay!! Now I need more help. I'm on what i think is the final battle in Yuzus route. Amne has the skil that fully restores her HP, and I don't have my Mage charactrs for Izuna. Any help? Demons I should have? Level?

[Sakai]

o_o wow,i just rush through all the route's.Idk about yuzu's route yet cuz i played Gin's as my first.Gonna attempt her route later.Just finished Amane's route,the third route in my playthrough,yay me = _=.Most of my demons are about level 90+ while the others are trailing behind at 80 or so,god i feel so bored just owning the bel's in a few hits...

[Archie55]

Umm... You youngsters and all yur mighty demons makeevery thing look so easy!!! Now, if you wouldn't mind helping me out with my not so special demons when you can, I'd like that a lot.

[dungeon_man]

Okay!! Now I need more help. I'm on what i think is the final battle in Yuzus route. Amne has the skil that fully restores her HP, and I don't have my Mage charactrs for Izuna. Any help? Demons I should have? Level?

I remember beating down Izuna very quickly, but I don't remember what I did. Deathbound + Pierce? Does that work? If not, I probably used a Dance spell with a Jump passive.

After Izuna was out of the way, I ganged up on Amane with ranged attacks (dragon family). I killed her friends and used the Drain spell on her until she was out of MP.

After beating Amane, I used Blood Wine (divine family) to restore my party, and fought the bosses using a variety of tanking and hit-and-run tactics. I pretty much got somebody who could survive a round against the front boss to block a chokepoint and then had a weaker party member use ranged attacks from behind. Then another party member was rushing in and out with Animal Leg and a ranged attack to dish out a little more damage. Wore them down eventually and won.

I think my level was around 48-50, but the fight was tough and took several tries.

[Sakai]

Pierce is ftw.Expecially on Lucifer or babel.I haz no special demonz >:l my MC only haz dat first deva and nayatotep...or w/e.So i get to hit long range twice.Atsuro's team only consists of heavy str demons.Yuzu....well garuda and Metatron did the trick.The last team is just hecate and some snake demon which i forgot about it's name,lawl

[Archie55]

Thank you! I'll try this sometime soon, dungeon man. Hope it works!!!

[Exliam]

I just beat beldr! yay!:-D thanks to all the people on this thread who made it possible!


...oh, and I just lost the game. sorry.:devil:

[Sakai]

Grazts.....Although i just dont know how Beldr is hard...
never gonna give you up~
never gonna let you down~
.....
o wait...the game

[Exliam]

Does anyone have any suggestions on beating those Damn policemen? they always kill the civilians before I can kill them.:very_sad:

[Elexq]

Vile demons, kishin, and wilders.

Vile will give you extend range
Kishin let you attack twice in a round
Wilders have devil speed. (<-- this is the really important one)

[Exliam]

Vile demons, kishin, and wilders.

Vile will give you extend range
Kishin let you attack twice in a round
Wilders have devil speed. (<-- this is the really important one)
Thanks.

[Exliam]

I won! I Won!:D I beat those jack-offs raw!

Thank you!:agree:

[Lyro]

Yuzu's path is the easiest, but i suggest taking Gin's Path in your first runthrough of the game, where you characters will most likely be leveled up properly. I say this because you are going to have a hard time defeating the King's Gate with a team of Demonless characters with low stats.

[Lyro]

I have Finished Gin's Path and Yuzu's Path, and am on the 6th day of my third playthrough. Each time, Mari has died. How do I keep her alive?

[Lyro]

Bezelboul is on all paths, to my knowledge.

He ain't on Yuzu's Path

[Elexq]

I have Finished Gin's Path and Yuzu's Path, and am on the 6th day of my third playthrough. Each time, Mari has died. How do I keep her alive?

On day 2, you'll see an event where Kaido and Mari are together arguing. View that, then speak to Kaido. He'll ask about the bloodless murders, then request help with a girl, tell him to save her from danger.

Later on, I think Day 5, you'll have the option to track down miss Mari's bag. They're all non-timed events, so you can get it quick. Once you get the bag, view the first event you can with kaido to give him the bag.

Although, that's to save both Mari and Kaido. If you want to save just Mari, you can just get the bag and give it to her.

[Lyro]

Uh I tried that... but it didn't work. I did that the first time round, but I still got the message from Kaido that Mari has died. Is there some battle I have to do?

[Exliam]

Uh I tried that... but it didn't work. I did that the first time round, but I still got the message from Kaido that Mari has died. Is there some battle I have to do?
did you fight kudlak?

[Exliam]

I'm at belial. and he has killed me.

[Archie55]

I'm at belial. and he has killed me.
Look on page two, buddy. I think it should be the first strategy, and if its not there, then it's on the first page. It got me past that.

[Sakai]

gah just beat belial down.it aint HARD >:l .....
for me becuz i spam from far away :U

[Lyro]

I find that the easiest way to beat Belial is to give Atsuro Null or Reflect Fire, and Reflect Phys. Then run around with Atsuro making Belial waste his MP, and then he gets owned by his own physical attacks. If need be, crack Ban Phys during Belial's fight.

[Archie55]

I think I'm ready to pick this game back up... Here I come, Izuna and Amne!!! GET READY FOR THE WRATH OF WALTER!!!!!!

[YFGHNG]

Sorry if I'm all off-topic and what, but what's the recommended level to beat Lucifer at? So my strategy was, from lurking here, to go through the easiest playthrough and work my way up to more powerful fusions from there..it worked, even had an easy time with Belial and Bezelboul...until I got to Lucifer, which I know isn't mandatory, but it's nice to have beat him, you know? It's my second playthrough (Yuzu's being my first) and here's what I got so far:

Hero 56 magic dude (fire dance, ice dance, mute eyes, mana surge, anti-most, null phys, hustle)
- Asura 73 (megidolan, deathbound, ice dance, attack all, life surge, mana aid, awakening)
-Loki 69 (megidolan, drain, media, anti-all, pierce, mana surge, tyranny)

Atsuro 54 physical dude (amrita, deathbound, taunt, drain hit, phys jump, life surge, marksman)
- Koumoku 57 (mazadyne, deathbound, diaprahan, pierce, force jump, force repel, double up)
- Norn 61 (prayer, elec dance, holy dance, mana aid, revenge, mana surge, affection)

Kaido 53 physical dude (berserk, might call, dial, ares aid, revenge, +paralyze, fortify)
- Seten Taisei 59 (deathbound, shield all, fire dance, life aid, +mute, endure, phantasma)
- Garuda 66 (megido, maziodyne, diaprahan, life surge, mana bonus, elec jump, flight)

Naoya 55 magic dude (elec dance, media, megido, mana aid, life life, endure, blitzkrieg)
- Remiel 66 (samarecarm, megido, shield all, phys drain, life aid, force jump, blood wine)
- Garuda 67 (drain, deathbound, shield all, dual shadow, drain hit, revenge, flight)

[Exliam]

Sorry if I'm all off-topic and what, but what's the recommended level to beat Lucifer at? So my strategy was, from lurking here, to go through the easiest playthrough and work my way up to more powerful fusions from there..it worked, even had an easy time with Belial and Bezelboul...until I got to Lucifer, which I know isn't mandatory, but it's nice to have beat him, you know? It's my second playthrough (Yuzu's being my first) and here's what I got so far:

Hero 56 magic dude (fire dance, ice dance, mute eyes, mana surge, anti-most, null phys, hustle)
- Asura 73 (megidolan, deathbound, ice dance, attack all, life surge, mana aid, awakening)
-Loki 69 (megidolan, drain, media, anti-all, pierce, mana surge, tyranny)

Atsuro 54 physical dude (amrita, deathbound, taunt, drain hit, phys jump, life surge, marksman)
- Koumoku 57 (mazadyne, deathbound, diaprahan, pierce, force jump, force repel, double up)
- Norn 61 (prayer, elec dance, holy dance, mana aid, revenge, mana surge, affection)

Kaido 53 physical dude (berserk, might call, dial, ares aid, revenge, +paralyze, fortify)
- Seten Taisei 59 (deathbound, shield all, fire dance, life aid, +mute, endure, phantasma)
- Garuda 66 (megido, maziodyne, diaprahan, life surge, mana bonus, elec jump, flight)

Naoya 55 magic dude (elec dance, media, megido, mana aid, life life, endure, blitzkrieg)
- Remiel 66 (samarecarm, megido, shield all, phys drain, life aid, force jump, blood wine)
- Garuda 67 (drain, deathbound, shield all, dual shadow, drain hit, revenge, flight)
lucifer is at level 99. don't fight him until you're at least level 90, and even then you're best off fighting him at 99. just...trust me.

[YFGHNG]

lucifer is at level 99. don't fight him until you're at least level 90, and even then you're best off fighting him at 99. just...trust me.

Oh...wow then I'm way underleveled. Thanks. Now I'm glad I'm grinding instead of moving along the final storyline.

[Exliam]

lucifer is at level 99. don't fight him until you're at least level 90, and even then you're best off fighting him at 99. just...trust me.

Oh...wow then I'm way underleveled. Thanks. Now I'm glad I'm grinding instead of moving along the final storyline.
mmm...you might want to focus on getting the best demons you can and leveling them up with each subsequent playthrough. that way you can clear your way through to the final few days and use your overleveled demons to make grinding a cinch.

[YFGHNG]

The best demons you can and leveling them up with each subsequent playthrough. that way you can clear your way through to the final few days and use your overleveled demons to make grinding a cinch.

Lol...too bad you can't have multiple copies of Asura's or Loki's, because that was what I used to plow through everything during Naoya's playthrough. Just gave Hero Loki and Asura and pwned.

[Sakai]

Hah i cant defeat lucifer even if i tried :l
even if my chars are lvl 99.Lol

[Exliam]

are your demons level 99 as well?

[Sakai]

LACKING ! unfortunately
their 96 :l

[Exliam]

that should be fine, as long as you use high level skills and consult a guide.

[Archie55]

After fighting Lucifer, does the story just go back to what you were at? For example: If I've decided to challenge Lucy, and I'm on Amane's route, after I destroy Lucy, will it just be like "Let's get back to saving the world", or will it be like "YOU MONSTER YOU'RE THE KING OF THE FREAKING DEMON ARMY NOW WE MUST DESTROY YOU". Is there a new ending?

[Exliam]

After fighting Lucifer, does the story just go back to what you were at? For example: If I've decided to challenge Lucy, and I'm on Amane's route, after I destroy Lucy, will it just be like "Let's get back to saving the world", or will it be like "YOU MONSTER YOU'RE THE KING OF THE FREAKING DEMON ARMY NOW WE MUST DESTROY YOU". Is there a new ending?
...I have no idea.

[Archie55]

So do we have anyone who actually beat Lucifer? And if so, what takes place afterwords?

[Elexq]

No there's no special ending for beating up on Lucifer. He makes a short little speech saying Belberith doesn't stand a chance, then dies and Atsuro is all "Whoah, wtf".

You unlock Lucifer as a fusion and that's it. The game continues as normal.

[Archie55]

Heh, I'm going through Amanes route, so I'll be hanging out here for a while. Lol, I was just playin and found myself walking into a fight with Lucifer!! I shut down as fast as I could. Wow...

[YFGHNG]

Heh, I'm going through Amanes route, so I'll be hanging out here for a while. Lol, I was just playin and found myself walking into a fight with Lucifer!! I shut down as fast as I could. Wow...

Yeah for reals. 2nd playthrough on Naoya's path, I end up saving at the end and going to Lucifer. Little did I know that 4 teams of lvl 50+ people doesn't do jack squat against the King of Hell.

If all 5 Bels teamed up against Lucifer, none of them would actually survive, save for Beldr, until Lucifer manages to find a Devil's Fuge.

[Archie55]

OH MY GOD!!! I just got my ass kicked on the three part final battle. I made it past the giant head (I though that part was great. I had a lady Babel), then sent the Bels straight back to their graves without problem, but found that I had paired the samecharm demon with the dead dude, and I had no magic left. Now excuse me while I go level up until I can just fart in Babels face to kill it.

[YFGHNG]

Oh those aren't that hard, once you get used to gameplay and whatnot. For the most part, the Demon King storylines (everyone but Yuzu) requires you to be lvl 50 (demons included) for a fair challenge. I would personally have an Avian with at least two characters, just so their movings aren't complete ####.

...My patience is wearing thin with grinding. Lucifer is a bitch...I'd be fine and happy if he only had two forms, but no...he had to be a dick and have some uber 3rd form that keeps spamming Megida-something that does damage onto my whole team on the field. So I need some advice from you Lucifer-pwners out there. How good am I?

Tsuki - magic lvl 99 - Fire Dance, Ice Dance, Shield All, Phys Repel, Victory Cry, Anti Most, Hustle
-Loki lvl 96 - Megidoalon, Drain, Mediarahan, Anti All, Mana Surge, Pierce, Tyranny
-Bishamon lvl 84 - Deathbound, Force Dance, Fire Dance, Fire Repel, Pierce, Force Repel, Double Up

Atsuro - physical lvl 99 - Samarecarm, Deathbound, Agidyne, Phys Drain, Phys Jump, Pierce, Wall
-Garuda lvl 90 - holy Dance, Elec Dance, Diarahan, Life Surge, Mana Bonus, Elec Jump, Flight
-Amaterasu lvl 87 - Samarecarm, Prayer, Megido, Mana Bonus, Pierce, Life Surge, Affection

Yuzu - magic lvl 99 - Prayer, Holy Dance, Tetrakarn, Life Surge, Mana Aid, Null Phys, Fortify
-Garuda lvl 91 - Drain, Deathbound, Samarecarm, Dual Shadow, Drain Hit, Revenge, Flight
-Asura lvl 95 - Megidolaon, Deathbound, Ice Dance, Mana Surge, Mana Aid, Attack All, Awakening

Midori - magic lvl 99 - Makarakarn, Mabufudyne, Mediarahan, Life Lift, Endure, Anti All, Blitzkrieg
-Norn lvl 84 - Prayer, Elec Dance, Holy Dance, Mana Aid, Mana Surge, Revenge, Affection
-Remiel lvl 90 - Samarecarm, Holy Dance, Shield All, Phys Drain, Anti Mystic, Life Aid, Blood Wine

Every time I fight, I get past the first 2 forms perfectly fine. And then the 3rd form comes along and boom, insta-rape.

[Sakai]

^ ha haaa....
happens to me all the time. And my party sucks more than that
sometimes i cant even pass then 2nd form ~_~

[Archie55]

Yeah, really. I was surprised at how much the battle with all the Bels could be a pretty big pushover! I've been mostly gliding through it with my mega powerful demons, and I have a now pretty good idea for the last phase.
Anyway, with Lucifer, you might want to go to YouTube and type in Devil Survivor YouTube. That can be really helpful. I believe that his last form repels physical attacks, so one person always had their demons faster than them, so the demons would do holy dance/megido, and the leader would do deathbound or mighty hit, and another character would revive them, so they could keep doing that. It might also help if you cracked megiodala, because I did, and now a bunch of my demons have it.

[Flux Umia]

[sic]
So, basically, my strategy ultimately boiled down to using the protagonist as a meat shield, Yuzu as artillery, and Midori and Atsurou to distract the minions. I ended up losing Atsurou, but victory was the reward.

i have noticed this often myself, though i go the other way with my hero then you, i use him as a chess queen, powerful but unwilling to lose. i haven't gotten terribly far yet, winging it for now before i go heartless and turn to a guide. but that is aside the point at the moment, Atsurou seems to die, often. almost anytime there is anything stronger then a normal demon (Wendigo when he was tough and Beldr) on screen i can basically tell he is about to be killed.

AS for killing Beldr, i got by with the skin on my teeth. but i had my hero right there on him, an Orcus and an Afanc, The Orcus was a liability till i could get rid of him but he turned out to be strong enough and tanked most of the damage with taunt, The Afanc i had fused so it had the racial Aggravate and a Dia spell, giving Hero boy the critz and the life to win.
Atsurou and company gathered around me and stopped his vassals from healing him... mostly. i had him down to 2 hitz when a Cait Sith popped in and gave him two Media spellz. cue head on desk and Beldr at full health. The point of this being, Kill his healerz, you can't stop them all but be sure it isn't a group of two pyro jackz and a silky, or two Cait Sithz. they are the reason he calls them, to regenerate. so copy him and have your friends have a pocket full of healing demons ready.

also be sure to crack Mp or HP surge from beldr, that 40% mp is nice for a magic thrower.

Think of the game as the characters are acting, they are trying to survive, and are working hard and are desperate to stay alive and win. you need to play like them, if you aren't on a new game plus, you are attacking a tank with a screw driver, go for the wiring under the screwed on armor plate.

[YFGHNG]

Lol..can't believe I just figured this out. Hero's Devil Fuge damage is purely based on his level. I first noticed this on my Amane playthrough, when I was leveling for Lucifer. I gave up after a while, but not before getting all my human peeps to lvl 99. And in Amane's playthrough, you gotta kill all 5 Bels again. So I did, and on Beldr revived, Hero quite literally killed him in one hit, no crits or anything. Funny, but unexpected.

[Archie55]

Yesterday I beat Amane's path!! It was super lucky. I can't believe I actually did it!
Alright, so I was just finishing off Jezebel, and I only had Walter (MC) left. I didn't die when I was fighting her, so that was good. Then, Belzeboul came out, and kept trying to spawn on Walter, but I had Battle Aura on Walter, so it never worked. I was surprisingly able to kill him, and then I was allowed to change a skill from a demon. I have not cracked Samecharm, or whatever that skill is, so I gave my Bishamon Recarn (recarm?). He brought back Atsuro, who then summoned Remiel, who had Samecharm. I was able to take on the last bel in about 2 minutes. After that, I made a pretty good dent in Babels armor, but then he finished off Remiel and Bishamon, and I had no other samecharm characters. And then, all of my characters except for Walter were dead. I was summoning demons like crazy, and I was getting a few good scratches in Babel, when he finally changed to Ice, which was weak to physical attacks! I pulled out Zouchu and hoped that I could just kill him. Walter was still constantly being proteted by Battle Aura, and he had battle cry. Walter, only Walter, killed Babel!! And Walter's face after the battle, it was great!! I loved it! He looked so awesome! Now I think I'll take on Gin/Haru's route.

[unknownalice0313]

I haven't beat Lucifer yet. Damn, I even can't beat his first form! :very_sad:

Honestly say, I kinda lazy on levelling up.

But I suggest Demons with Tyranny will help you in the battles.