Persona 2 PSP; Would you buy it?

[Manic Expressive]

Alright the point of this thread is to show Atlus JP/US that we clearly want Persona 2 on PSP. Please mods do not close this thread because someone made a suggestion of having Persona 3 on PSP and well look what happened, it's on PSP.

What I want to know is how many fans out there of the series as whole would be willing to support this if it were come to fruition?

If it got a complete overhaul like Persona did, I think it would attract every single person that has ever come across the series. Honestly though I would be completely satisfied with a straight port, I think the game is perfect as it is.

I'm asking mods to please not close this thread, I want serious discussions from serious fans in this thread and whoever would like to support the idea. Post any suggestions or ideas for the game you would like to see in a potential revision similar to Persona PSP.

[Kenji]

Naturally.

I doubt Atlus Japan is paying much attention to this, but I'll throw in for the sake of the cause.

I specifically want two things, above all else:

1) Some form of streamlining of the combat menus. I don't ask that it conforms to P1, P3, or P4 in terms of "press Attack to attack" (though I wouldn't complain), but I do ask that the Strategy menu at least be laid out in a more intuitive fashion that doesn't require me to swim through over three submenus (with loading times) to make informed changes to the next round of combat.

2) Since P1 has this, it feels like a shoe-in: the Velvet Room displaying Persona compatibility to party members would be extremely helpful in planning a party spread.

[Manic Expressive]

Naturally.

I doubt Atlus Japan is paying much attention to this, but I'll throw in for the sake of the cause.

I specifically want two things, above all else:

1) Some form of streamlining of the combat menus. I don't ask that it conforms to P1, P3, or P4 in terms of "press Attack to attack," but I do ask that the Strategy menu at least be laid out in a more intuitive fashion that doesn't require me to swim through over three submenus to make informed changes to the next round of combat.

2) Since P1 has this, it feels like a shoe-in: the Velvet Room displaying Persona compatibility to party members would be extremely helpful in planning a party spread.

I know its a shot in the dark but I feel completely better at least trying to do something. Maybe if we get enough positive support an Atlus USA rep can show some of the higher ups in Japan, but who knows? As someone who treasures Persona 2, I really want to try my hardest to spread the word. If a lot of you would do the same, that would be awesome.

I seriously have a feeling Atlus JP has been reading the forums, I have literally seen at least 3 different ideas mentioned in the P3 section coming to life in that port.

[Kenji]

I know its a shot in the dark but I feel completely better at least trying to do something. Maybe if we get enough positive support an Atlus USA rep can show some of the higher ups in Japan, but who knows? As someone who treasures Persona 2, I really want to try my hardest to spread the word. If a lot of you would do the same, that would be awesome.

I seriously have a feeling Atlus JP has been reading the forums, I have literally seen at least 3 different ideas mentioned in the P3 section coming to life in that port.
Well, if Atlus Japan wants to make greater inroads to the West, they'd be stupid not to check out the American branch's official forums. :P I'll give you that.

Since Tom and Gemini finished their wonderful patch of Innocent Sin, I've found I have mixed feelings about P2. While I do love the storyline, setting, and even the mechanics behind the combat system, the implementation was like a splinter that dug further and further into my flesh the longer I played it.

By the time Xibalba lifted off, I couldn't take the irritation anymore and actually stopped in favor of replaying P3F on Hard.

I'll play the two no matter what (especially since they cost me, combined, $150), but a streamlined port on the PSP (that includes at least the things I mentioned above) will make the difference between a single playthrough and multiple playthroughs.

I feel like P2 deserves multiple playthroughs, so I'd like to see this happen so I can do that.

[Manic Expressive]

I know its a shot in the dark but I feel completely better at least trying to do something. Maybe if we get enough positive support an Atlus USA rep can show some of the higher ups in Japan, but who knows? As someone who treasures Persona 2, I really want to try my hardest to spread the word. If a lot of you would do the same, that would be awesome.

I seriously have a feeling Atlus JP has been reading the forums, I have literally seen at least 3 different ideas mentioned in the P3 section coming to life in that port.
Well, if Atlus Japan wants to make greater inroads to the West, they'd be stupid not to check out the American branch's official forums. :P I'll give you that.

Since Tom and Gemini finished their wonderful patch of Innocent Sin, I've found I have mixed feelings about P2. While I do love the storyline, setting, and even the mechanics behind the combat system, the implementation was like a splinter that dug further and further into my flesh the longer I played it.

I'll play the two no matter what (especially since they cost me, combined, $150), but a streamlined port on the PSP (that includes at least the things I mentioned above) will make the difference between a single playthrough and multiple playthroughs.

I feel like P2 deserves multiple playthroughs, so I'd like to see this happen so I can do that.

I'm glad someone else sees the potential light at the end of this long, dark, lonely tunnel.

I actually thought about all the hard work Tom and Gemini put into the patch, and yes a localization would sort of make that obsolete in a sense. But if they completely overhaul it like they did with Persona 1, then I will still always play the original copy of the game. I can see them messing with some original tracks that I love. Can see myself playing the patched version just for the nostalgic value in the future.

Yes it is very interesting seeing all the things you missed on first playthroughs with Persona 2, not to mention it has one of the best storylines in an RPG. The way they attach you to the characters, feel for them, relate with the vast father issues every single character seems to have.

As for the battle system, yeah it can get a bit ridiculous at times but if you know your way around the system it can easily be taken advantage of. What I did was make the Demon with the lowest possible level that knows "Photon Cannon", it really helped wipe the floor with a lot of mobs for me.

With that being said, this honestly has sparked a new interest for me. Since it has never been completely finished on youtube I plan on starting a FULL "Let's Play" Persona 2 Innocent Sin, starting tomorrow. I am not sure if I will want to commentate while I play, I know some people dislike that but just post an opinion and let me know. As always, I will keep this thread updated.

[Enzeru]

I would buy it. Now that they have P3P, though, I'd like to see the whole world in 3D including the characters etc, rather than just the backgrounds. That would make the purchase much more justifiable.

[Iris]

The only change I'd really want to see is the gameplay improvements made in EP to be added into IS. Like Salam's mapping subquest, the ability to set fusions straight from your fusion list, that kind of thing.

I'd really prefer not to have engrishy j-pop playing in Seven Sisters, though.

[Manic Expressive]

Personally my suggestions would include:

Both games on one UMD. Suikoden I and II were released on PSP in a single UMD, but in Japan only. The idea of playing those games back to back just seems epic to me. Persona 2 Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment? That would just be the complete package for a god to play. Can you imagine how much hype that would build?

Also new dungeons similar to the style Philemon's EX dungeon was are greatly welcomed, I had a lot of fun with that.

[Foobar]

Certainly want Persona 2 updated and released for PSP.

I would like to see it get the gameplay upgrades that more recent SMT games have recieved, though. Not asking for total fusion manipulation, just the ability to know what I'm getting since I can forget all the terminology after a while.

Hell, I think Persona 4's biggest asset was helping me remember what every buff and passive skill in SMT: Nocturne meant so I didn't have to look it up on GameFAQs or make blind guesses.

[Enzeru]

I should say one more thing:

If each Persona 2 game got a P3P graphic overhaul, I would buy each game separately. If they were just ports a la Persona, I would most likely only buy it in one package.

...What am I saying? I'll hopelessly buy anything Atlus throws at me.

[TheDoctor]

I'd like P2:IS in some form because I own and played EP but I seriously always thought that most long time fans like me wanted Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers first because at least we got Persona 2 in some way.

I s'pose that a Devil Summoner title doesn't bring the crowds as a Persona title brings them, even though Soul Hackers, along with the original Persona, was one of the most popular MegaTen games in Japan.

[Emilio Morales]

I totally support this! Because EP was my first Megaten game that got me attracted to the WHOLE franchise. Really if I weren't able to play EP back in the days I where NEVER got into the series as much as I'm now. I love both Persona 2 games, they have a unique storyline and the most cool protagonist I'd ever seen (Tatsuya).

It doesn't need to have much of an overhaul, it's fine as it is, maybe just adding more anime cut scenes and some extra dungeons will be just fine. The music is awesome (being 7Sisters' theme one of the best song I'd ever heard), the battle and contact system (vital thing that P3 to P4 lacks) are there and are easy to understand and play, the story is unique, characters have deep and interesting backgrounds and in some ways, Atlus owes us this one (Tsumi) ;)

These two games deserves much more than any other Persona game (it was the first on the Persona series to have a sequel and an English patch for a game who wasn't localized are a fine example of this).

I'm happy with the port of P3 to the PSP but I do want both Persona 2 on my PSP... Anyway, I guess where going to see both games ported or re-maked sometime, I have the feeling. :D

[satokiba]

I should say one more thing:
...What am I saying? I'll hopelessly buy anything Atlus throws at me.

You win the internets. I agree completely. 8D


I'd like a graphic re haul, it should be in 3D, but apparently that will piss some people off. I think they should keep the music exactly the same, because, even though I like Engrish, Innocent Sin's soundtrack was delicious. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to "update" the sound, as far as some of the sound effects go.

[Zacewing]

Yes, yes and more yes.

[DrJonAngus]

I really want EP and IS because I never got to experience them and I was planning on buying a PSP anyways, so it would be nice to have extra incentive to do so. I was going to buy it for the PS1, but the price for it used was about $100. Of course I was deterred to buy it since it was so expensive, so I figured I would post here. It doesn't really help that EP is really rare and IS was never released in English.

I've become extremely interested in the SMT series over this past year and I've heard numerous people stating that SMT: Persona 2 was really good time and time again. Hearing this will make somebody fairly interested, so I decided to watch videos on this game and they make me really want to play both games. I think with the advent of Persona 3's popularity, more people will feel inclined to buy the Persona games if they keep being released. Being a fairly logical step of banking on the series rising popularity, I think it would help sell a lot of PSPs as well to be honest. Also, I'm fairly certain so few people currently own this game to enjoy, so it would be nice to throw the fans a bone instead of a Persona 3 port to the PSP. This isn't about Persona 3 though, so here's hoping for a port of both Persona 2 games to the PSP! Atlus has definitely got my money on this one!

[Ike.]

If P2 ever gets released on PSP here I will drive to California and fellate hug every Atlus USA employee.

[Soushi_Grapple]

I'd pick them up if they were seperate or a set of UMDs, it just seems like Atlus USA's trend would be to package them together, even if it meant a longer wait, you know? We wouldn't care, we'd buy it day 1, I'm sure. ;)

I would absolutely LOVE a 3-D upgrade, but... I doubt it will happen; it'd also piss off a lot of people. I don't know, I prefer 2D art any day, but imagine Maya kicking butt in 3D with those guns. XD Awesome~

Just for the record, I did start P2:EP, and I really liked it, aside P4 its my favorite Persona to date (is that saying much? Oh well..) and I'm currently playing through the patch and trying to save up the $50 for a complete disc copy of IS.

I agree that the menus can be annoying, but really... I just let the game fight for me, pressing the cancel button whenever I need to heal or change a strategy. Even then, it jumps to the selection you need to press anyway. I believe you have to have the system set to like semiauto w/memory on or something, but streamlining it also wouldnt hurt. I haven't even fused anything yet... I just got past the Prince Taurus boss fight... I don't know wtf I'm doing with summoning except that cards = more stuff I can make. lol

[Eggn0g]

Wait, how is posting this on the American Atlus' forum going to sway the minds of Atlus Japan? Wouldn't it be better to email Atlus Japan directly or something? :-?

[Soushi_Grapple]

You never know whose watching... ;p

[Onion of Mystery]

If P2 ever gets released on PSP here I will drive to California and fellate hug every Atlus USA employee.

Just saving this post for posterity. ;)

[TheSheepman]

This is why I'm holding off on getting P2:EP and IS.

Since I'm getting a PSP soon[x-mas] this seems like a really good idea, I completely agree.

For Persona 2, Atlus Japan should get some kind of cameo in this game.
Whether it be, the demi-fiend, raidou, or something. I really would like this possibly eventual project of Atlus to be like the maniacx edition of nocturne[Just the cameo part, mind you, we don't need another hard game not for awhile lol.]

[Huge Nocturne fan btw, 135 hours in.]


The soundtrack doesn't need to be changed,if they do they shouldn't revamp it like Persona 1[See-DamageCity.]

Like I was saying, this should be like most atlus releases, with pre-order bonuses and all. Though we're far from that stage of this.

Some kind of cameo however miniscule, if included, will push my mind to buy this game. Cameos have telepathic powers y'know.

[Olethros]

If P2 ever gets released on PSP here I will drive to California and fellate hug every Atlus USA employee.

Just saving this post for posterity. ;)

You would! :p

[Yukichin]

I'm pretty much guaranteeing myself to buy anything SMT from now on because I like the series, but... yeah, I totally would buy P2. I'd prefer if they streamlined it a bit because I really dislike the battling, but I'd definitely buy it.

[hickwarrior]

I probably would. Well, scratch that, I would definitely want to day 1 it.

Anyway, I've seen stuff up 'till where they met Yukino and some other girl, which hinted at persona 1. This is why I would purchase P2, because it seems to be a direct sequel to P1.

From what I've seen from the gameplay is that it's just turn-based. But I don't know any of the other mechanics. I'm not sure whether combat mechanics will be explained in the game or not, other than the conversation option. Maybe all the combat mechanics, but I'd definitely want to see a tutorial of it in-game and have that optional. If it's already in there, then sorry for suggesting that.

Graphically doesn't look very good, but I only saw it on a youtube vid. even if the vid is high-quality, it still didn't look really good. Very blocky. I hope they will make the graphics look better, if they can or want to.

I think I'm just restating what has been said in this thread, but I just wanted to throw that out there. And be reminded, I'm only basing this off of a few vids i've seen.
Anyway, I would definitely play this.

[Kakizaki]

I would support this in a heartbeat. My only fear is, once again, tinkering with the music and some sort of streamlining of the negotiation system in IS so that it synced up with EP's. I would also rather IS and EP were separate releases. I will go into why if anyone is really interested some other time.

I much preferred the negotiation system in IS. You weren't forced into 'group' negotiations.

Of course, I am still heartbroken over Devil Summoner...... :P

[Kenji]

From what I've seen from the gameplay is that it's just turn-based. But I don't know any of the other mechanics.
The mechanics under the hood are similar to the old MegaTen turn-based combat systems, with turn order determined by stats and striking weaknesses only being rewarded by extra damage.

The difference is that combat implementation is based around auto battle, as opposed to auto battle merely being a time-saving option like in other games. Instead of directly inputting commands, you change the parameters of auto battle in a "Strategy" menu, so that a certain character will, say, cast "Zio" on every turn until the strategy is changed.

At its best, it streamlines combat throughout a dungeon as you use an identical strategy to mop up the enemies with minimal input.

At its worst, you're changing Personae, combat strategies, turn order, and backing out of the Strategy menu to double-check the Analyze menu, Personal Information, and Persona stats, which can be quite time-consuming as battles get more complex. Combine this with the frequency of combat and Persona growth being based solely around using SP-consuming skills, and you may find yourself spending a very large amount of time navigating these menus to keep enemies from draining or reflecting your skills.

Mileage varies from person to person.

I would also rather IS and EP were separate releases. I will go into why if anyone is really interested some other time.
Please do.

I also wish that Devil Summoner could be brought here, somehow... :very_sad:

[Kakizaki]

^My fear is that if both games were designed to be included in one package from the get go, the story line could altered and game play elements may be condensed / and or dropped.

I realize that this didn't happen with Konami's Suikoden 1 and 2 pack, but Suikoden is a fairly short game to begin with. However, this did happen with Popolocrois on PSP.

Again my fear would be dependent on Atlus JP making such a decision. If both games were released separately in Japan and Atlus NA decided to package them together, well, that is a different story. ;)

[Iris]

At its worst, you're changing Personae, combat strategies, turn order, and backing out of the Strategy menu to double-check the Analyze menu, Personal Information, and Persona stats, which can be quite time-consuming as battles get more complex. Combine this with the frequency of combat and Persona growth being based solely around using SP-consuming skills, and you may find yourself spending a very large amount of time navigating these menus to keep enemies from draining or reflecting your skills.

Or you just bring a party that can do a good hit-all fusion, take two seconds to adjust the turn order at the beginning of each battle, and nuke everything in one round. \o/

[Manic Expressive]

About to start my playthrough I am recording, I think I am going to pass on the voice commentary due to the fact that I can barely hear myself, I need a much better microphone. Will post once the first video is done. I kind of wanted to only include the key scenes in the game because there are a lot of battles in Persona 2, unless anyone would like to see all that included. So you can laugh when I fail my demon negotiations. ; ;

[Kakizaki]

^I have negotiation spreadsheets for IS as well.

If you are stuck on someone, let me know.

[Philemon]

Obviously yes, yes, and more yes ;)

As long as they don't try P3 or P4-ifying it in any way and keep it true to the original of course, I'd love it!

[Manic Expressive]

^I have negotiation spreadsheets for IS as well.

If you are stuck on someone, let me know.

Thanks, I will keep that in mind.

First video is finished, I thought youtube put a time limit on videos that could be uploaded? Mine is 11 minutes long so I hope it will still be alright. I need to find different recording software because those 11 minutes ended up being 1.2GB. Oh and I decided to go along and add commentary.

Edit: I looked for some good video recording tips, found this software called VirtualDub that lets me decompress the videos and make them a lot smaller. It's gonna be a while but I will post it once it's all finished.

[KapitanFiggs]

I'd buy this on day one, easy. Being able to cart P2 along with me would mean I'd no longer have any excuse not to beat it :P I'd even take it on two UMDs, or a giant-ass digital version.

[Enzeru]

First video is finished, I thought youtube put a time limit on videos that could be uploaded?
I think it's about 10 minutes unless you subscribe or something.

[slackrabbit]

ME TOO
in fact the cool thing is because you could play it on the bus and tube, one the big problems on the console is the length of the games...you can sit in front of the tv all day especially if you only have one tv
but it's a great pick up game.

[hickwarrior]

I kind of wanted to only include the key scenes in the game because there are a lot of battles in Persona 2, unless anyone would like to see all that included.

Maybe you can make seperate vids on random battles like how this guy did it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVjVKa6tnLQ) Besides, is that vid you are talking about uploaded? Can I get a link for the vid?

Anyway, if you are talking in it, are you going to explain the gameplay mechanics of the game? If not, can you do that? I think people who see this game for the first time would like to know how the game works.

Other than that, good luck with the vids.

[Foobar]

If it were released, I actually would prefer both parts of P2 came in the same package. I think their differences could be maintained. I just don't want a repeat of getting part of the game like we got with Persona and Persona 2.

Its true I don't have any complaints about the lack of "The Answer" being included in the P3 Portable, but that's because Persona 4 also hits on many similar points that "The Answer" does. It would be nice if it was there, but copies of P3 FES are still relatively easy to find.

[Manic Expressive]

I kind of wanted to only include the key scenes in the game because there are a lot of battles in Persona 2, unless anyone would like to see all that included.

Maybe you can make seperate vids on random battles like how this guy did it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVjVKa6tnLQ) Besides, is that vid you are talking about uploaded? Can I get a link for the vid?

Anyway, if you are talking in it, are you going to explain the gameplay mechanics of the game? If not, can you do that? I think people who see this game for the first time would like to know how the game works.

Other than that, good luck with the vids.

That's a very good suggestion to consider, but now that I have thought it over, I want to piece everything together as whole now and try to explain how the game works. Just have to break it all in again.

Yeah I am very sorry but figuring out how to compress these has been a bit annoying, I am getting the hang of it but I just need to find the right format to recompress everything in and I can start uploading.

I myself will not be too familiar with the game mechanics, I haven't played the game since the patch hit so I will be a bit rusty, I will try the absolute best I can to keep everyone informed on everything though.

[AbsyntheDelacroix]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and again yes. If not Megurified.

[Archie55]

YES!!! I'd be happy if it was just a port of both games, because i never got to play any of the SMT games. But now that P1 is coming, you better believe that I'm getting it! And in japan when they announced P3 for PSP, I was even happier! But then looked up 2 and saw some youtube videos and said to myself "Why hasn't this been announced for PSP yet?" so yes, I would buy it. And it's kinda set up to be a port NOW, don't you think? I mean, there are two parts to it, and P1 is getting the snow queen quest, so why not put IS and EP on one UMD and the PSN? It would be perfect! :) <3 Atlus

[DrJonAngus]

Honestly, who is voting no? So rather than have an SMT game be re-released, some of you'd rather not have it at all? Both Persona 2 games are rare and a lot of us want to experience them without having to pay an arm and a leg to get them.

[hickwarrior]

Honestly, who is voting no? So rather than have an SMT game be re-released, some of you'd rather not have it at all? Both Persona 2 games are rare and a lot of us want to experience them without having to pay an arm and a leg to get them.

Nor a lung, a heart, a kidney etc.

anyway, I do agree with this guy. Can the ones that are saying no explain why you wouldn't want this game? I'd definitely want to see the nay-sayers views on it.

@Manic Expressive

Well, it's done when it's done. Don't rush it, otherwise you'd get low quality stuff like this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oejN1dtUzjw) But if you can't get it to be better than that, then it's tough luck. I'll watch your vids anyway then.

[ShadowYuri]

Alright the point of this thread is to show Atlus JP/US that we clearly want Persona 2 on PSP. Please mods do not close this thread because someone made a suggestion of having Persona 3 on PSP and well look what happened, it's on PSP.

What I want to know is how many fans out there of the series as whole would be willing to support this if it were come to fruition?

If it got a complete overhaul like Persona did, I think it would attract every single person that has ever come across the series. Honestly though I would be completely satisfied with a straight port, I think the game is perfect as it is.

I'm asking mods to please not close this thread, I want serious discussions from serious fans in this thread and whoever would like to support the idea. Post any suggestions or ideas for the game you would like to see in a potential revision similar to Persona PSP.

You know, maybe Atlus JP first announced P3P on purpose, in order to "angry" some fans (well, that's not exactly the word, but...), and get them to do what you did. Because, if they are opening to the West, then they're reading these forums, and if they do that, all we say can only help them to take decisions about the "P2P". Not to say that I believe in destiny. :P Just a thought.

And, as a gamer who didn't get to play half of the game back in the day, I would buy an UMD of P2P in a heartbeat. On the other hand, I'm feeling like Atlus is flooding us with MegaTen titles these days (well, at least I haven't played P4 and DS"2" for the PS2, neither Devil Survivor for the DS). So, I can wait for an announcement. But don't let us down, Atlus!

[Kenji]

I, also, wouldn't be surprised if the combined sales of P1 and P3P will affect possible ports of P2 and (why not?) P4, as well as Persona's future. If all of these sell well, I wouldn't be surprised to see P5 end up on the PSP.

[jj984jj]

I, also, wouldn't be surprised if the combined sales of P1 and P3P will affect possible ports of P2 and (why not?) P4, as well as Persona's future. If all of these sell well, I wouldn't be surprised to see P5 end up on the PSP.

After seeing what P3P looks like in motion I'd be really surprised if P5 was on PSP, unless their console staff is making SMTIV or something.

[Kain Mare]

I would certainly purchase Persona 2 IS/ EP day one. Be it 2 UMD, 1 UMD, Single release or seperate release.

[four_black_hearts]

Honestly, who is voting no? So rather than have an SMT game be re-released, some of you'd rather not have it at all? Both Persona 2 games are rare and a lot of us want to experience them without having to pay an arm and a leg to get them.

I voted no because I like P2. I certainly wouldn't want to see anything like a P2P.:very_sad:

[Kenji]

I voted no because I like P2. I certainly wouldn't want to see anything like a P2P.:very_sad:
For the life of me, I still can't understand this sentiment, and it's not limited to P2. The same thing goes on with Silent Hill: Shattered Memories with regards to the original Silent Hill; the idea that a remake or reimagining will somehow destroy all preexisting versions of a given video game is something I don't think I can describe adequately.

Maybe it's because I don't sentimentally attach myself to video games.

I mean, seriously, it's not like Thor is gonna launch ICBMs and vaporize every PlayStation copy of P2, the moment a PSP version is announced.

At least P1 PSP detractors had the excuse of the original PlayStation version having an inaccurate localization, something that didn't happen to P2.

[Soushi_Grapple]

Seeing as bad as the original release of P1 was here, I'm super excited for the PSP port... but I can also understand why people complain that it may ruin a game in their eyes. I felt that way with Star Ocean 2. Although, I was really happy with the remake in the end because I've got 3 copies of the original sitting on my shelf to play if I feel like. It doesn't hurt to experience something new or a new take on something.
I'm not super excited about P3P (when they announce P2IS/EP/P or P4P I'll be happy..). I am a little worried about what would happen if they did P4P, but I'd be so happy to play it on the go I wouldn't care.
Not to condone it, but if you guys are so set on originals, just cfw your way to it, if you catch my drift. If it's something similar to P2IS (in the instance that it didn't have a patch), if you want/love the game so much to bash a re-release that may see its way here [although I've yet to see anyone do so yet] then maybe you should try translating it yourself or importing. =/

[Manic Expressive]

Honestly, who is voting no? So rather than have an SMT game be re-released, some of you'd rather not have it at all? Both Persona 2 games are rare and a lot of us want to experience them without having to pay an arm and a leg to get them.

I voted no because I like P2. I certainly wouldn't want to see anything like a P2P.:very_sad:

I feel P3 is sorta borrowing the idea from P2 since it also starred a female MC, Maya Amano in Eternal Punishment so I don't think they could possibly mess with it too much, to me P2 is great the way it is.

[Emilio Morales]

For the life of me, I still can't understand this sentiment, and it's not limited to P2. The same thing goes on with Silent Hill: Shattered Memories with regards to the original Silent Hill; the idea that a remake or reimagining will somehow destroy all preexisting versions of a given video game is something I don't think I can describe adequately.



Not 100% true because Silent Hill will not be re-made by the "Team Silent", who where the responsibles of the awesome games of SH1 to SH4 The Room, and will be re-made (as far as I know) by the same developers of "Homecoming" (which, in my opinion, was a terrible follow up to the series, it lacks the "Japanese horror elements" that previous entries had).

What I mean is, since ATLUS itself is the responsible of such re-made/re-make/port/etc. of a game that was developed by them in the first place, "nothing" (maybe with some exceptions) can't go wrong with a re-made/re-make/port/etc. of any of their games. The only "mistake", we could call it, I think ATLUS could make is, manipulating a game that was originally lead by Kozy Okada, you know adding or extracting elements properly from Kozy Okada's mind.... But I doubt it, looking at the port of Persona on the PSP.

Anyway... that's what I think.

[Kesseki]

I'm all for it, as long as the battle system were updated with something less clunky to use. That's the one thing that made me dump EP midway through Smile Mall in favor of other SMT games in my backlog.

[Kenji]

Not 100% true because Silent Hill will not be re-made by the "Team Silent", who where the responsibles of the awesome games of SH1 to SH4 The Room, and will be re-made (as far as I know) by the same developers of "Homecoming" (which, in my opinion, was a terrible follow up to the series, it lacks the "Japanese horror elements" that previous entries had).
I'm aware of this (and, for the record, development is handled by Climax, which did Origins, and it's not actually a remake).

My point is that, whether Shattered Memories is good or bad, the original Silent Hill still exists and will always exist, and it's the consumer's prerogative to ignore the newer version in favor of the old.

The problem comes when someone begins to argue that the mere existence of Shattered Memories (P1 PSP, P2 PSP, P3P) will destroy the copy they already own. The argument's not only selfish in the case of triple-digit-priced rare games (that the arguer most likely already owns), but grossly illogical.

Hammers and microwave ovens will destroy precious old games. Newer, altered versions won't. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

[ShadowRaskolnik]

Like everyone else, I would gladly buy both P2:IS and EP if they were released on a single UMD or two UMDs.

[Nephlabobo]

Is this referring to Persona IS, Persona EP or the two together as a package?

Persona Innocent Sin, yes definitely.

Persona Eternal Punishment.....probably not. I already own it and I think the translation is fine. There's nothing cut out (that I know of) and it wouldn't be really worth buying again.

Package of two, yes. It would be worth it for Innocent Sin.



The problem comes when someone begins to argue that the mere existence of Shattered Memories (P1 PSP, P2 PSP, P3P) will destroy the copy they already own. The argument's not only selfish in the case of triple-digit-priced rare games (that the arguer most likely already owns), but grossly illogical.

No, it's not, because the original tends to get relegated to the dustbin in people's minds in favour of the inferior remake.

Silent Hill on Wii *should not have been made. Period.*

[DrJonAngus]

Not 100% true because Silent Hill will not be re-made by the "Team Silent", who where the responsibles of the awesome games of SH1 to SH4 The Room, and will be re-made (as far as I know) by the same developers of "Homecoming" (which, in my opinion, was a terrible follow up to the series, it lacks the "Japanese horror elements" that previous entries had).
I'm aware of this (and, for the record, development is handled by Climax, which did Origins, and it's not actually a remake).

My point is that, whether Shattered Memories is good or bad, the original Silent Hill still exists and will always exist, and it's the consumer's prerogative to ignore the newer version in favor of the old.

The problem comes when someone begins to argue that the mere existence of Shattered Memories (P1 PSP, P2 PSP, P3P) will destroy the copy they already own. The argument's not only selfish in the case of triple-digit-priced rare games (that the arguer most likely already owns), but grossly illogical.

Hammers and microwave ovens will destroy precious old games. Newer, altered versions won't. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

Basically, you are trying to argue you don't want a newer version of this game because it will over take the original in terms of value and wanting to replay the original. Well I think you are very selfish because not every body has been so fortunate to have purchased these games and been able to enjoy them. I think Atlus re-releasing these games is a good thing instead of a bad thing. I get the impression that you are one of the veteran SMT fans who gets angry at people who loved Persona 3, even though it made the series more popular. I don't think a few sour pessimists are going to soil this game's release whether you want it to come out or not. I'll admit, not all remakes are good, but Atlus has been doing such a good job over these last couple years. I think the re-release for the PSP would be great. I'd go for a port to be honest, but it's up to Atlus. Nobody said you owed it to yourself to buy them if they get re-released anyhow.

[Nephlabobo]

I get the impression that you are one of the veteran SMT fans who gets angry at people who loved Persona 3, even though it made the series more popular. I don't think a few sour pessimists are going to soil this game's release whether you want it to come out or not.

Nobody is angry at Atlus being successful, that's a stupid argument.

We're angry because the game that made them successful has been released *three times in approximately three years*.

That's milking it, even by Squeenix standards.

[Kenji]

Not 100% true because Silent Hill will not be re-made by the "Team Silent", who where the responsibles of the awesome games of SH1 to SH4 The Room, and will be re-made (as far as I know) by the same developers of "Homecoming" (which, in my opinion, was a terrible follow up to the series, it lacks the "Japanese horror elements" that previous entries had).
I'm aware of this (and, for the record, development is handled by Climax, which did Origins, and it's not actually a remake).

My point is that, whether Shattered Memories is good or bad, the original Silent Hill still exists and will always exist, and it's the consumer's prerogative to ignore the newer version in favor of the old.

The problem comes when someone begins to argue that the mere existence of Shattered Memories (P1 PSP, P2 PSP, P3P) will destroy the copy they already own. The argument's not only selfish in the case of triple-digit-priced rare games (that the arguer most likely already owns), but grossly illogical.

Hammers and microwave ovens will destroy precious old games. Newer, altered versions won't. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

Basically, you are trying to argue you don't want a newer version of this game because it will over take the original in terms of value and wanting to replay the original. Well I think you are very selfish because not every body has been so fortunate to have purchased these games and been able to enjoy them. I think Atlus re-releasing these games is a good thing instead of a bad thing. I get the impression that you are one of the veteran SMT fans who gets angry at people who loved Persona 3, even though it made the series more popular. I don't think a few sour pessimists are going to soil this game's release whether you want it to come out or not. I'll admit, not all remakes are good, but Atlus has been doing such a good job over these last couple years. I think the re-release for the PSP would be great. I'd go for a port to be honest, but it's up to Atlus. Nobody said you owed it to yourself to buy them if they get re-released anyhow.
I have to ask this: Was that directed at me?

Did you even read what I said?

No, it's not, because the original tends to get relegated to the dustbin in people's minds in favour of the inferior remake.
Then I ask, so what?

If said people are not interested enough to go back and check out the clearly different older versions of a game, then why should any of us sweat over that? They obviously aren't.

[Zacewing]

The only thing I hope they change if they did make a Persona 2 PSP port is the battle menus. I like the way Persona PSP handles entering commands. I hated how in P2 you had to go through a bajillion menus just to input the right commands for your party.

I loved how you could actually change the order in which your party members execute their actions in though.

Also, do not let Meguro anywhere near my lovely P2 soundtrack, kthx.

[Nephlabobo]

No, it's not, because the original tends to get relegated to the dustbin in people's minds in favour of the inferior remake.
Then I ask, so what?

If said people are not interested enough to go back and check out the clearly different older versions of a game, then why should any of us sweat over that? They obviously aren't.

Because I dislike ignorance.

[DrJonAngus]

I get the impression that you are one of the veteran SMT fans who gets angry at people who loved Persona 3, even though it made the series more popular. I don't think a few sour pessimists are going to soil this game's release whether you want it to come out or not.

Nobody is angry at Atlus being successful, that's a stupid argument.

We're angry because the game that made them successful has been released *three times in approximately three years*.

That's milking it, even by Squeenix standards.

I'm not on board entirely with the whole PSP port of Persona 3. I think FES was still pushing it a bit, but at least some noteworthy things were added. I'm not talking about Persona 3, I'm talking about Persona 2. I wasn't exactly trying to say anybody is angry at Atlus being successful, I'm saying it seems like veteran fans get into a bit of a stink about Persona 3 fans. Persona 3 was the first SMT game I played to completion and I've heard people compare Persona 3 fans to Final Fantasy 7 fans. That being said, it's like playing Final Fantasy from day one on the NES and then Final Fantasy 7 comes out years later and everybody says Final Fantasy 7 is the best game in the series. New fans begin to clamor for ports, remakes, etc. and it annoys die hard fans. This isn't about Final Fantasy though. What I'm saying is, there is a fair amount of interest in the Persona and the SMT series as a whole, so I want to see what the Persona games were like before Persona 3. I don't just want to play the most popular game and jump on the band wagon to have it be re-released time and time again. I just think it's a bit ridiculous that you can lead me to believe you wouldn't want to be able to play on a hand held. Who can say if it would be a bad remake, port, whatever when it hasn't been made yet. I'm just not the type to spend hundreds of dollars on two games in order to enjoy them.

[DrJonAngus]

@Kenji
Yes, I did read it in fact and it was directed at you. I think your point is a bit vague, so just come out with what you want to say. I want some legitimate reasons as to why you don't want Persona 2 EP and IS to be re-released. What bad can it possibly do?

You said:
"Hammers and microwave ovens will destroy precious old games. Newer, altered versions won't. That's pretty much what it comes down to." What exactly are you getting at here?

And of course old versions of games will exist, but that doesn't mean they are entirely phased out. Also, all I want to say is I 100% disagree with what I think you mean.

[Kenji]

Because I dislike ignorance.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I dislike ignorance, too. I chafe at it when it comes to political or cultural matters.

However, we're talking about a video game.

Personally, I'm willing to let ignorance about a video game slide.

Yes, I did read it in fact and it was directed at you. I think your point is a bit vague, so just come out with what you want to say. I want some legitimate reasons as to why you don't want Persona 2 EP and IS to be re-released. What bad can it possibly do?
Okay, you totally didn't understand me or my position.

As the second poster in this topic and the second voter in the "Yes" category, I support a PSP version of both chapters of Persona 2. Let's get that out of the way.

The argument I was making is based around my inability to understand why it matters so much to established fans that a new, possibly altered version of a game is being released.

If they like the new version, great. If they don't, they can opt out of buying it and continue playing the version they prefer. That's what choice is all about, and I support choice.

Furthermore, I was arguing that there's no need for older fans to get so defensive about their cherished games because nobody can take their experiences and memories away from them.

So, yeah... you totally misunderstood and misrepresented me, there.

[DrJonAngus]

Because I dislike ignorance.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I dislike ignorance, too. I chafe at it when it comes to political or cultural matters.

However, we're talking about a video game.

Personally, I'm willing to let ignorance about a video game slide.

Listen, I would purchase the original version of Persona 2, but I don't honestly see the point if a much cheaper version could be released in the near future. The thing is, I'd only be willing to spend so much on one video game also. I've become a huge fan of the series, but not to the magnitude of a lot of people. I despise ignorance myself, but video games are so pointless to argue.

[DrJonAngus]

Because I dislike ignorance.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I dislike ignorance, too. I chafe at it when it comes to political or cultural matters.

However, we're talking about a video game.

Personally, I'm willing to let ignorance about a video game slide.

Yes, I did read it in fact and it was directed at you. I think your point is a bit vague, so just come out with what you want to say. I want some legitimate reasons as to why you don't want Persona 2 EP and IS to be re-released. What bad can it possibly do?
Okay, you totally didn't understand me or my position.

As the second poster in this topic and the second voter in the "Yes" category, I support a PSP version of both chapters of Persona 2. Let's get that out of the way.

The argument I was making is based around my inability to understand why it matters so much to established fans that a new, possibly altered version of a game is being released.

If they like the new version, great. If they don't, they can opt out of buying it and continue playing the version they prefer. That's what choice is all about, and I support choice.

Furthermore, I was arguing that there's no need for older fans to get so defensive about their cherished games because nobody can take that away from them.

So, yeah... you totally misunderstood and misrepresented me, there.

Well your stance wasn't clear to me because I couldn't tell what view you were clearly taking. I apologize for "misrepresenting" you.

[satokiba]

I want to know what most of you would think about a graphical rehaul? And for those people who are supposedly "watching" this forum to think about. Would you like it in 2D sprites, or 3D? Why do you think one is better than the other?

[hickwarrior]

I don't mind if it's in 2D or 3D, that would be the devs decision. if they do it in 2D, I would like to see the sprites being smoothened, or however I'm supposed to say that. But I'm only taking that from a few vids I've seen on youtube.

If it's 3D, well, I think I would just want to be surprised as to how they do that.

[Manic Expressive]

Ok first video is done! I'm sorry that I couldn't get voice commentary, in the end my voice sounded so muffled that it wasn't worth while. I will however be replying to any comments or questions anyone may want to leave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpyC4Id_8XE

Working on 2nd right after this is posted. Keep checking my youtube page, comments and ratings are very appreciated.

Edit: 2nd video is up, I think that is it for today. I will work on some as soon as I wake up.


But if I can't sleep I might do the 3rd.

[Emilio Morales]

Would you like it in 2D sprites, or 3D? Why do you think one is better than the other?

2D but with better animation, 'cause if you compare the animation of Persona with Persona 2, Persona's sprites looks smoother and a little bit better animated. Even though it would be cool to see the cast of IS and EP in 3D, I guess 2D fits better in these games.

[Zacewing]

It's not like Atlus is the first company to release multiple versions of a game in such a short amount of time. -glares at NIS and Disgaea-

[Kakizaki]

^I don't think I would want to compare a company's rerelease history to NIS...

[Manic Expressive]

I dug up some pretty awesome fanart for the game I wanted to post.

http://i28.tinypic.com/20igcok.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/2njdnnk.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/2mp0qrb.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/13z6fmg.jpg

[Emilio Morales]

The last one is really strange o.o but I like the first one, it's the same concept of a music CD of Megami Ibunroku Persona, when Maki is being "controlled" by Kali, if I'm not wrong.

[satokiba]

I dug up some pretty awesome fanart for the game I wanted to post.


I ####ing love you. I have more, but it's mostly...er. Jun and Tatsuya, if anyone wants some. 8D

[Manic Expressive]

Just finished 3 more parts, uploading now. Man, I forgot how damn emotional some of the scenes get.. jesus.

[satokiba]

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1382/988a6a35b86cd79114ebef6.jpg

I like this one.

[Manic Expressive]

Awesome, love how Nyarlethotep is creeping.. heh.

Uploaded 4 more videos for today, and cleared Seven Sisters High. Going to be doing more tomorrow of course!

http://www.youtube.com/user/achachachaa

[Archie55]

It's not like Atlus is the first company to release multiple versions of a game in such a short amount of time. -glares at NIS and Disgaea-
Well, Atlus has really only done something like that for Persona 3. But I think NISA does it to get it through the skulls of people that haven't played it, "GET THIS GAME! WE ARE RE-RELEASING THIS FOR YOU!!! ITS GOOD!", but i wouldn't mind P2P. I haven't ever played any SMT games, so I don't really care if they re-release it. However, when they made the other Persona 2, it was different. It had a new story line. Then other people would get it. It's not like the eight copies of Disgaea: Afternoon of Darkness for different platforms with "one great new character!" sitting on the shelf. Can't blame Atlus for making a REAL new Persona 2.

[Yukichin]

Silent Hill on Wii *should not have been made. Period.*

Er... how can you say that? You've not played the game; it's not even out. For all we know, it'll wind up being a fantastic game.

[Kenji]

Er... how can [s/he] say that?
Because video games are very serious business, obviously. :)

Seriously though, I have noticed its design choices are polarizing (I hang out at a Silent Hill board, too). I'd go into it, but it'd be horribly off-topic. I appreciate the innovation and the attempt to revitalize what is a badly stagnating genre, but it's obvious that not everyone shares that opinion.

That's cool.

That said, it is kinda annoying when someone decides that their opinion trumps all, and therefore a given product should not exist, regardless of how many people might actually enjoy it. The same applies to P3P and a prospective P2 PSP.

[Yukichin]

Er... how can [s/he] say that?
Because video games are very serious business, obviously. :)

Seriously though, I have noticed its design choices are polarizing (I hang out at a Silent Hill board, too). I'd go into it, but it'd be horribly off-topic. I appreciate the innovation and the attempt to revitalize what is a badly stagnating genre, but it's obvious that not everyone shares that opinion.

That's cool.

That said, it is kinda annoying when someone decides that their opinion trumps all, and therefore a given product should not exist, regardless of how many people might actually enjoy it. The same applies to P3P and a prospective P2 PSP.

I wholeheartedly agree. I've seen so many people arguing here and at GameFAQs saying that P1P and such shouldn't exist and I want to kick them.

[Manic Expressive]

Er... how can [s/he] say that?
Because video games are very serious business, obviously. :)

Seriously though, I have noticed its design choices are polarizing (I hang out at a Silent Hill board, too). I'd go into it, but it'd be horribly off-topic. I appreciate the innovation and the attempt to revitalize what is a badly stagnating genre, but it's obvious that not everyone shares that opinion.

That's cool.

That said, it is kinda annoying when someone decides that their opinion trumps all, and therefore a given product should not exist, regardless of how many people might actually enjoy it. The same applies to P3P and a prospective P2 PSP.

It's not that they don't want it to exist, most veteran fans of the entire series like myself are disappointed with the choice to blatantly skip 2 when they started from 1. It's very irritating because you know P4 is more than likely next to get that treatment while 2 just remains forgotten as usual. Hopefully though that will not be the case and Atlus makes up for this very stupid decision.

[Kenji]

It's not that they don't want it to exist, most veteran fans of the entire series like myself are disappointed with the choice to blatantly skip 2 when they started from 1. It's very irritating because you know P4 is more than likely next to get that treatment while 2 just remains forgotten as usual. Hopefully though that will not be the case and Atlus makes up for this very stupid decision.
I'm actually of the opinion that P2 PSP is "sooner or later." The best evidence I can cite to inform my opinion is the existence of P1 PSP... now, if P3P had come out without P1 PSP, I'd probably say a P2 port isn't likely.

As for P4 PSP, well... I wouldn't say it's unlikely, but I'd want it to take a different angle than simple "here's a female protagonist, go wild," since it feels like P3P is trying to take its changes seriously.

I would like to see P2 PSP before P4, though. Of course, I'd also like to play my super-expensive PSX versions first. :P

[Manic Expressive]

I enjoyed P4 a lot more than 3, so I cannot wait to hear about that port and potential changes they might do. I had always wanted to see the MC's shadow self in 4 so we could learn more about him, similar to how they gave Tatsuya the MC of P2 a shadow self, it was quite interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAk_ZrOE0js

I'm glad it's in moonspeak so it isn't spoiled exactly for those of you watching my playthrough.

[satokiba]

I enjoyed P4 a lot more than 3, so I cannot wait to hear about that port and potential changes they might do. I had always wanted to see the MC's shadow self in 4 so we could learn more about him, similar to how they gave Tatsuya the MC of P2 a shadow self, it was quite interesting.


It was interesting how Tatsuya's shadow reflected whatever dream you said you had at the start of the game. It kept the character within your control as far as personality, but still gave a better view of him.

At that shrine, that's where you get to "choose who you date", but I don't think it really counts as dating at all, especially compared to P3/4. Y'know, it just changes some contacts a little. No dialogue or anything, no real interaction between the characters. Would you hate me, if I suggested S. Links for a P2 remake? :/ I'd like to get to know the characters even better than the story lets me, and I think it'd be a good idea.

[Manic Expressive]

Eh it wouldn't hurt but to me there really is no need for s.links, you are not bound to go to school all the time in P2 so things would be a lot different. Also since Tatsuya actually has a background story and roots, he was always meant to love either Maya, Jun (lol), or Lisa. Whereas in P4 the main character is pretty much made to reflect you and your own choices, aka do whatever you want, love whomever you want, etc.

[Kakizaki]

I would see no real reason to implement S. Links in IS or EP. They already have the rumor system, and other decisions you make influence elements of the story / game play. Something would have to be sacrificed or altered, otherwise it could get kind of convoluted.

[Hamel]

P2IS? Yes (and hopefully give dual audio because Koyasu Takehito is one of my favorite voice actors)
P2EP? Yes but only if they add the option to play with Eikichi and/or Lisa again
Both on the same UMD?Only if they don't take stuff out

[Iris]

Would you hate me, if I suggested S. Links for a P2 remake? :/ I'd like to get to know the characters even better than the story lets me, and I think it'd be a good idea.

The problem with S. Links in P2 is twofold.

First, the current S. Link format is inexorably linked to the calendar system, and the calendar system quite simply would not work in P2 at all. P2's antagonists get away with most of what they do largely because they're not giving anybody time to think. The heroes are constantly on the defensive and having to keep reacting, and there are some points where if they'd had more time to think about it, I'm pretty sure they'd have done things differently. And the frantic pace is really a big part of what makes the story entertaining. King Leo isn't going to wait for you to go to the movies with that guy from the photography club, he's blowing up that building now and you'd better get your butt moving if you want to stop him.

Second, social links rely on the main character having...some degree of social functionality. When I try to imagine Tatsuya having links, I see every exchange looking something like:

Other guy: blah blah blah this is my big problem, what do you think, Tatsuya?

> ...
> *flick lighter*
> Vroooooooom.

[Manic Expressive]

Tatsuya actually speaks for himself in Eternal Punishment, he is actually one of the only main characters in the Persona series to have a set background story and a #### ton of info on him present in the game's world itself.

[Kenji]

Other guy: blah blah blah this is my big problem, what do you think, Tatsuya?

> ...
> *flick lighter*
> Vroooooooom.
If this were true, I'd pick "Vroooooooom" every single goddamn time... :D

That said, we can't forget "Whoooooooosh" and "Buhduhduhduhduhduhduhduh." These are integral parts of Tatsuya's vocal register.

(on the other hand, seeing the full Gas Chamber perform at the Culture Fest would make my forever)

[Manic Expressive]

lol I always go for imitation when I have no idea what to do, how can any demon NOT like that!?

I finished up 3 more videos, first being a lot of menus/rumors/gearing up so here is the 2nd one that starts off in our next dungeon in Kasugayama High, the bomb shelter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5dUDV6L5C8

I am actually uploading the last and 3rd video which includes a very dramatic cutscene involving Maya and a certain Pyromaniac.

[satokiba]

The problem with S. Links in P2 is twofold.

First, the current S. Link format is inexorably linked to the calendar system, and the calendar system quite simply would not work in P2 at all. P2's antagonists get away with most of what they do largely because they're not giving anybody time to think. The heroes are constantly on the defensive and having to keep reacting, and there are some points where if they'd had more time to think about it, I'm pretty sure they'd have done things differently. And the frantic pace is really a big part of what makes the story entertaining. King Leo isn't going to wait for you to go to the movies with that guy from the photography club, he's blowing up that building now and you'd better get your butt moving if you want to stop him.


I'm not speaking of traditional S. Links, that follow a calender, I just want a chance for people to fall in love with the characters even more, and a chance for me to get to know them a little better. They're fleshed out pretty well with the conversation in battle, and their parts in the story, but I think there's opportunity to get to know them better. For example, in each dungeon, there's always a "break room", where there are no monsters, and your allies are just standing around. The game could let you take literally "five minutes" of their world's time, to listen to their concerns in depth, or answer a question for them. And it wouldn't feel like it was including too many features at all. An open-ended S. Link system, with people outside of your party might feel like too much, but little scenes with each character, and a choice or two, and a little "date" or SOMETHING like that, I don't think it'd be too much.

For example, completing Yukino's "S. Link" might motivate her to stay, and you could have the option to keep her instead of Jun. (Even though I would never, and I hate the idea.) Maybe completing someone's little "S. Link" will provide yet another skit in battle.

I guess I just crave more interaction between Tatsuya and his party members, and I'd be satisfied with more choices in dialogue.

[Manic Expressive]

^Would actually be cool if instead of choosing one between the other just being able to swap them out whenever you want.

[Iris]

Tatsuya actually speaks for himself in Eternal Punishment, he is actually one of the only main characters in the Persona series to have a set background story and a #### ton of info on him present in the game's world itself.

Yes, I'm aware of this, but even in EP he still fairly screams "social idiot." He does a lot of wallowing in his own (admittedly justified) angst, tells you to leave him alone, etc.

The old S. Link format involves an MC helping other characters work through their problems, but Tatsuya's far too consumed by his own for that.

[Philemon]

Eww, please perish the thought of ever placing s. links into any games of the original persona trilogy (P1 BYTM, P2 IS, P2 EP) ;)

[Zenieth]

Tatsuya is in truth not a social idiot rather the combination of his own home problems along with the fact that he's in everyone eye, literally playing through the game it seems that to most teenagers Tatsuya is the best thing since peanut butter. He isn't socially awkward but rather he chooses toi push himself off rather than open up. There's also the fact that everybody in the game knows each other to an extent. I mean the only people in the game that would really even be able to work with the s link would be the p1 cast that show up in P2 and they seem rather preoccupied with their own lives. The only thing that would be nice to see is maybe 3d settings, but outside of that there's really nothing that needs to change.

[Manic Expressive]

Tatsuya actually speaks for himself in Eternal Punishment, he is actually one of the only main characters in the Persona series to have a set background story and a #### ton of info on him present in the game's world itself.

Yes, I'm aware of this, but even in EP he still fairly screams "social idiot." He does a lot of wallowing in his own (admittedly justified) angst, tells you to leave him alone, etc.

The old S. Link format involves an MC helping other characters work through their problems, but Tatsuya's far too consumed by his own for that.

Can you honestly blame him? After what he went through at the end of Innocent Sin, I would be pretty angsty myself. Let's see, everyone is horribly betrayed, the love of his life was killed before his eyes (with the Lance of Longinus no less), the world is pretty much destroyed. I would say he has a lot on his plate, he must feel like crap.. and even then he still manages to come through.

That being said, Nyarlethotep has got to be the best villain in the series. No one was more involved than he was, if you paid close attention to the storyline you would be inclined to agree.

[Zenieth]

I still consider Nyarlethotep to be the villain of the series. Those shadows don't look like that for nothing, and if Philemon can get out the full extent of his power to at least one person every so often, I wouldn't be surprised if Nyarlethotep couldn't put some God in a position to screw with humanity.

[Iris]

Can you honestly blame him?

Nope, which would be why I said it was justfied angst.

Tatsuya is one of my favorite characters ever, for the record; anything I say here is by no means a slam against him. But he's immensely flawed, which is exactly why I like him so much.

And Zenieth, I do still think he's pretty socially awkward. Yeah, it's his choice to push people away, but I really always read the way everyone at school thought he was ~so cool~ as being because nobody had ever actually gotten to talk to him enough to see the doofy guy who flails when Saeko-sensei leaves him alone with a girl and makes motorcycle noises at demons. :V

[Gemini]

I'd buy it, but honestly, only to see if they can do better than Tom and I did with the translation.

[Zacewing]

I personally think all of the Persona games will get PSP ports, but that's just my intuition.

[Manic Expressive]

I got a lot done last night! I uploaded the cutscenes in Mt. Iwato, those are really some of the most revealing scenes in the game towards answers. For the record they have never been uploaded anywhere in English, so from here on out everything will be fresh material, though I see a lot of videos with end game/last boss material. I don't know why people gave up capturing it, it's pace is way too good to want to stop IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/user/achachachaa

[Tello, the Hark!]

I feel weird saying this but I think P2 is the strongest of the Persona games, for the story and gameplay.

[Manic Expressive]

How is that weird? It's good to see someone else think so because I strongly agree, it's a two part game that even went as far as to branch off Persona 1. P2's plot is very dark/hilarious/sad/deep and the character development choices you make are very crucial to the storyline and even the Persona you obtain.

Not to mention it contains a lot of awesome characters like Nyarlethotep, Philemon, Hitler, Knights of the Holy Lance, the Masquerade, a LOT of the Persona 1 cast. Everything about the game to me is just perfect and it saddens me to see people pass it up because it doesn't have s.links. I'm not kidding about that, I have seen people say this is one of the main reasons they do not want to play it. :/

[Zenieth]

I've always thought that p2 has been the strongest of the persona series, IS on it's own is my favorite of the group while Ep though not as good stands at the same position as p4 for me combining the two it just rockets above the others like it was nothing.

[Enzeru]

Not to mention it contains a lot of awesome characters like Nyarlethotep, Philemon, Hitler, Knights of the Holy Lance, the Masquerade, a LOT of the Persona 1 cast.
I thought Hitler was a little over the top.

[Zenieth]

The entire game was over the top and the multiple warring factions with you in the middle really helped make the chaos feel all the more actual than other persona games, that and the fact that masquerade was one awesome organization.

[Manic Expressive]

The entire game was over the top and the multiple warring factions with you in the middle really helped make the chaos feel all the more actual than other persona games, that and the fact that masquerade was one awesome organization.

It's too bad they were only to be trumped by the Last Battalion, god I love the Longinus 13, Knights of the Holy Lance, whatever everyone may refer to them as. I wish they had gotten into their characters a bit more, each pilot has a distinct VA, some are actually women too. The fact that they could seal away your ability to use your persona because they have the Lance of Longinus is ridiculously cool.

Edit: Beat Shadow Maya, the Last Battalion has just landed. The game only gets more epic from here.

[Zenieth]

This is thee enitre game with out spoilers of any kind.

Chilling at school, chicks be after you (like always), go to prison, awesomeness is met and happened, joker appears and then

Holy crap did he just actually do that?! Wait no you mean he was!!! what the hell are you doing here, didn't we just save?! holy hell he's now a she and she's now a model, and where the freak did those guys come from, GIIIIIIIIIINKOOOOOOO!!!!!!, wow i mean wow, subtle much guy?, LONDON'S BURNING!!!, Awesome battle was freaking awesome. Really, I mean really she was the villain, holy crap no she wasn't and that guy is back?!

???????????????

Omfg It's hitler, war, super awesome scene of awesome, NUUUUUUUUUU!!!! T.T
and lastly

Philemon: All according to plan.

[hickwarrior]

Umm, could you also post the rest of the king leo fight? I would like to see that. Also, I had the feeling I missed something when you went from the middle of the boss fight to the main story...

[Manic Expressive]

No I cannot because I deleted all the data from FRAPS since it was over a staggering 12GB's total, it was an honest mistake though. I left a description of what happened on the more info bar, it really wasn't anything plot pivotal.

Edit: Going to be doing the Caracol tonight after work, it's going to be quite the challenge I am sure. I am all up for it though so keep watching because we are about to meet the main villain in the game.

I am actually almost done, past the half way mark a while back. This has been a very dominating and fast playthrough for me so I am pretty happy with the results so far, well except for the fact that I missed that footage. Who knows though, I know I will replay it again and will be able to fix my mistakes, maybe even include the dungeon crawling this time.

[Zacewing]

I dunno a lot of the details about Persona 2, but from what I've read/heard it definitely does have the best story.

I think P4 has the best gameplay though. I don't think P2's battle system has aged very well, but it's still fun nonetheless.

[Kakizaki]

I had a blast with IS's battle system when the patch was released. The menus are clunky, but the battle system was fine.

[Zenieth]

I never saw that much wrong with p2's system, the contract, while very broad allowed you to see how everyone handled a situation in numerous ways and some were truly entertaining. As for the real battle aspect it was pretty much no different from p3 except you had to prepare your whole team for a battle before a hit could he be struck. So unlike p3 where you had to worry about what your team would do around, had to worry more on how your orders to your team would affect the battle before you could change it again.

[Intrigue]

I would love to get a chance to play both IS and EP. It wouldn't bother me if the came together or not. As is or upgraded i'll take either

[Zacewing]

I hated the menus in battles. If they were to polish up the menus and make it so I'm not spending 3/4 of a battle browsing through menus it'd be much more fun.

I still enjoy P2, though. It would just be much more enjoyable to me if they were to refine the battle system and make it a little less clunky.

[Iris]

Eh, the thing about P2's battle system is that I always hear people say they spent too much time mucking around in menus, but that...wasn't really a problem for me. Get one good all-hitting fusion starting a dungeon, take five seconds to fix the turn order when a battle starts, and you should be able to wipe out everything in one round anyway. If there were magic-immune enemies wandering around I'd usually contract them for that dungeon and stock up on items or free tarot that way, so I wouldn't even need to change the actions from battle to battle.

The only time I ever had to spend much time in menus was during boss fights, since they're longer.

[Manic Expressive]

^One thing I found consistently annoying with this playthrough is that Maya and Ginko are ridiculously too fast and heal or do something I don't want them to and ruin the flow of the battle. But I have just learned to keep my eye on who exactly is coming up next so I can cancel and switch everyone up again.

[Kenji]

Get one good all-hitting fusion starting a dungeon, take five seconds to fix the turn order when a battle starts, and you should be able to wipe out everything in one round anyway.
If I did things that way, I'd find the combat boring, which is even worse than frustrating. One of the reasons I took to the MegaTen franchise so strongly was because of its difficulty. :|

I didn't respond to you the last time you mentioned that technique 'cuz I got busy, sorry. :P

I've been trying to figure out ways around this, and I'll get around to implementing them... but anything to at least cut the loading times and rearrange the placement of these menus would be very helpful to me.

[satokiba]

...but anything to at least cut the loading times and rearrange the placement of these menus would be very helpful to me.

Loading times? They weren't that bad.

The battle menu for P2 wasn't too bad, I think everyone agrees and likes the contact system, though.

The thing about battle menus, are the fact that they end up costing more time for you, because you end up not wanting to screw with it in mid battle. And like Manic Expressive said, some characters are quick to use spells before you can stop the flow of battle. I think streamlining it, giving each character a command for each turn would improve the flow of battles greatly. And everyone will probably beat me for suggesting this, but a change of perspective would help make battles less teddie-ous as well. Looking down at everyone was nice the first time, but something different to change it up would be nice, too.

[Ike.]

I wonder who voted no.

[Manic Expressive]

If you click the result it shows you voted for what.

No =

boryumugo, four_black_hearts, King Frost, Reduction, Saishu


I sure wish they would explain why they wouldn't want a Persona game that has never been localized before.

[Iris]

didn't respond to you the last time you mentioned that technique 'cuz I got busy, sorry. :P

Mm, fair enough. Most of the games I love the combat in over all, but my love for P2 is largely because of the story and characters, and my main joy in the combat system more comes in breaking it and nuking things. And carefully manipulating my equipped Persona to turn the hard physical hitters into magical tacnukes. Nothing makes me happy like giving Katsuya an insane tec stat.

[Manic Expressive]

Beat the game this morning, the final boss wanted to make me throw the game out the window.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-LAyZPPS2A

[Killrig]

I would buy this on the PSP if it contained BOTH Persona 2 titles: Innocent Sin & Eternal Punishment. Only then would there be English translations for the entire Persona series.

-- Killrig

[Kakizaki]

^Well, official ones anyway...

[cj iwakura]

Beat the game this morning, the final boss wanted to make me throw the game out the window.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-LAyZPPS2A

Yeah, that is the ONLY hard part of Innocent Sin.

[Manic Expressive]

Beat the game this morning, the final boss wanted to make me throw the game out the window.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-LAyZPPS2A

Yeah, that is the ONLY hard part of Innocent Sin.

I flew through the game pretty easy. The only bosses I had occasional trouble with was the Longinus 13 but even they weren't as bad this time around. Great Father though... ugh haha.

[Hamel]

I actully ended up having only Tatsuya in that battle since he killed everyone but him for some odd reason (I mean he mostly missed Tatsuya)

[DrJonAngus]

How is that weird? It's good to see someone else think so because I strongly agree, it's a two part game that even went as far as to branch off Persona 1. P2's plot is very dark/hilarious/sad/deep and the character development choices you make are very crucial to the storyline and even the Persona you obtain.

Not to mention it contains a lot of awesome characters like Nyarlethotep, Philemon, Hitler, Knights of the Holy Lance, the Masquerade, a LOT of the Persona 1 cast. Everything about the game to me is just perfect and it saddens me to see people pass it up because it doesn't have s.links. I'm not kidding about that, I have seen people say this is one of the main reasons they do not want to play it. :/

Meh, social links are more of a chore for me than anything else. I like straight up enjoying the game and not having to worrying who I am going focus on hanging out with next. I still enjoyed Persona 3, but I got a tad frustrated when maxing out all social links in one play through and nearly missing the final rank for Yukari due to one dialogue mess up. I may catch flak for it, but social links kind of detract from the game for me. I'd rather have the plot of the game continue on unhindered and be given dialogue choices which affect the story and consequently, the characters around me. I'm not trying to bag on P3, mind you, but I eventually tired of the Social Links. I really just want to see what Persona 2: EP and IS are all about because all this talk is getting me a ton more interested than I already have been.

[Manic Expressive]

If you are a cut to the chase kind of guy when it comes to storyline then P2 is perfect for you. You aren't bound anywhere, you are free to move about the city do whatever you want, whenever you want. Which is what I love most about the game, it has a perfect flow to it.

Though there are no s.links as the main character you still make some important decisions on where his love life may take him with certain characters, one even being male.. : x

[Kenji]

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say you can do "anything" and go "anywhere." It's a pretty standard RPG progression mode, after all... go from Point A to B to C and the story flows along with it. Once you finish a dungeon, you can't reenter it unless the plot provides you a reason (thankfully, there is an optional area that features all of the enemies you've fought before, if you want something they have).

I will agree with Manic's praise of the flow, though. There's no lack of interaction among cast members, and they are easily the strongest part of this game (same goes, imo, with the rest of the series).

Personally, I love the Rumor System, and I'd love to see it return in full force to future Persona games, especially since the rumor thematic hasn't left the series (especially P4). Of course, if you don't know what you're doing, you can screw yourself a little (like I did, making the big payoff Poker instead of Blackjack... what a boneheaded move).

[Zenieth]

The rumor system was my love back with p2, i really enjoyed going about just searching for things to hear from npc,s that I normally wouldn't do just because of rumors. It gives you the freedom not to search for it and you wouldn't just be doing side quests. Another thing I loved about the game was the numerous shop keepers, they all seemed to have interesting personalities and takes on the situation around them.

[DrJonAngus]

It just felt like you interacted more with people you went to school with or people you met outside of school more so than your actual teammates. What you learned about each character was they were hiding from something and had to face it. They had pretty generic ways of overcoming their problems too, like saying "I will face this head on yadda blah blah." I want to see characters develop and grow to become likable or more likable over time in P2, not just have random epiphanies. I also want to know who I'm fighting along side as opposed to "These are people you room with, go fight stuff."

I am definitely looking forward to the Rumor System. Also, I like how P2 seems much more darker and has more serious tones. I can't really speak any more on the subject, however, because I've never played P2.

[satokiba]

I want to see characters develop and grow to become likable or more likable over time in P2, not just have random epiphanies. I also want to know who I'm fighting along side as opposed to "These are people you room with, go fight stuff."


Exactly what I was saying. Probably shouldn't have called them social links, I just want more significant dialogue.



Though there are no s.links as the main character you still make some important decisions on where his love life may take him with certain characters, one even being male.. : x

Eh, it didn't really change anything. ONE or two little contacts, no real mention in the story? I'd like it if they actually made it change something plot-wise.

[Kenji]

Eh, it didn't really change anything. ONE or two little contacts, no real mention in the story? I'd like it if they actually made it change something plot-wise.
Well, to be fair, P3 and 4 were pretty much the same way (The Answer notwithstanding). Japanese social mores aside, it was a little odd for Yukiko to blush and stutter when I mentioned in the dating cafe that I liked her... despite the fact that I had been ####ing her on the floor for months, now (y'know, as opposed to the couch or the futon :P ).

Add that to my list of refinements for P5: positive and negative plot consequences based on romantic entanglements.

[satokiba]

Well, to be fair, P3 and 4 were pretty much the same way (The Answer notwithstanding).

Yeah, but P3/P4 HAD S. Links, P2 doesn't, and if it doesn't in the remake, then I'd like that little part to have more of an effect, y'know? You think if you said you liked Lisa in the game, she'd piss her pants and talk about it until the end of the world. But, nope, just in battles.

[monody]

I've got both games already, but I still support a P2 port so that more people can play them. P2 seems all sad and neglected, what with the popularity of 3 and 4 and the growing interest in 1 (though of course it's got its small, devoted following). I wouldn't want them to be drastically changed, but they didn't really drastically change P1 (no, the soundtrack doesn't count), so I think all the worry about "omg are they going to add S-Links" and such is a bit silly.

And I'd still probably buy the ports even though I don't necessarily have to, because... apparently I just love throwing all my hard-earned money at Atlus.

ETA:

You think if you said you liked Lisa in the game, she'd piss her pants and talk about it until the end of the world.

... so not for very long, then? Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Zenieth]

Hey lisa was probably the coolest girl in all of persona, maybe even all of smt. And considering the ending half of Is most of the characters grew up pretty heavily. I really loved the shadow dungeons in IS cause when you confronted them and you thought you knew everything about the cast around you, they just drop major info out of nowhere, and it's done so well and so appealingly that it just made them so impressionable.

[Kenji]

I'll hop on the Lisa-love wagon. :P

When P2 began, despite me enjoying any time she and Eikichi had dialogue, I thought she was irritating and extremely self-centered. Fast forward to the Taurus Shrine, when I told her that she makes me happy.

That's an even better turnaround than Yukiko (unremarkable to "I love this roflcopter!"). :)

[DrJonAngus]

I really loved the shadow dungeons in IS cause when you confronted them and you thought you knew everything about the cast around you, they just drop major info out of nowhere, and it's done so well and so appealingly that it just made them so impressionable.

Lisa: I'm actually a man!

Just kidding, Lisa must be pretty cool though.

[Zenieth]

Oy, persona 2 has it's fair share of cross dressers as it is including one of the cast, we don't need no more.

[DrJonAngus]

I'd like to have zero cross dressers, not that there is anything wrong with that.

[satokiba]

I'd like to have zero cross dresser, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Did someone say...crossdressing? Brb, putting a pink skirt on.

[Archie55]

I personally think all of the Persona games will get PSP ports, but that's just my intuition.
I'd wish i could say the same thing...

[Crow T. Robot]

If P2 ever gets released on PSP here I will drive to California and fellate hug every Atlus USA employee.
Ditto

I loved 2, more so then Revelations.

[Kordero]

wow! hope they make the 2 Personas 2, innocent and eternal

[Kordero]

Totally agree, Hope some day Atlus will bring us P2: IS and P2: EP both in one UMD disk, I dont care if they change something, I just want to play IS so badly, I only played Persona 1 and P2: EP but always wanted play that! plsss Atlus hear us! :(

[TheDoctor]

Hope some day Atlus will bring us P2: IS and P2: EP both in one UMD disk

I think having both Persona 2s in one package might be too overwhelming, both are fairly long games.

[Tsuko]

I would get it day one

[Tsuko]

This is why I'm holding off on getting P2:EP and IS.

Since I'm getting a PSP soon[x-mas] this seems like a really good idea, I completely agree.

For Persona 2, Atlus Japan should get some kind of cameo in this game.
Whether it be, the demi-fiend, raidou, or something. I really would like this possibly eventual project of Atlus to be like the maniacx edition of nocturne[Just the cameo part, mind you, we don't need another hard game not for awhile lol.]

[Huge Nocturne fan btw, 135 hours in.]


The soundtrack doesn't need to be changed,if they do they shouldn't revamp it like Persona 1[See-DamageCity.]

Like I was saying, this should be like most atlus releases, with pre-order bonuses and all. Though we're far from that stage of this.

Some kind of cameo however miniscule, if included, will push my mind to buy this game. Cameos have telepathic powers y'know.

It would be interesting to search something like a trashcan etc.. and find a computer with the demon summoning program on it from Digital Devil Story Megami Tensei and Shin Megami Tensei

[Archie55]

Personally my suggestions would include:

Both games on one UMD. Suikoden I and II were released on PSP in a single UMD, but in Japan only. The idea of playing those games back to back just seems epic to me. Persona 2 Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment? That would just be the complete package for a god to play. Can you imagine how much hype that would build?

Also new dungeons similar to the style Philemon's EX dungeon was are greatly welcomed, I had a lot of fun with that.
I like that idea, two games one one UMD. But if they were going to put it on the PSN, then it would probably be released as two games, so the UMD would have to be priced higher. And I think that if they announced all the current persona games for PSP, i would most likely get this one first, then all the other ones.

[Guni]

Heck yeah!

[MomoChan]

Yes.

Even if they split IS and EP like with the PS1, They must *BOTH* be localized. Don't slight us for the second time, please.

I think I can speak for a lot of people here when I say that people are ready for Hitler appearances and yaoi-ness.

[Zenieth]

Do not forget transvestites, teenage prostitutes, pedophiles, lesbians, oh and child terrorists.

[MomoChan]

Do not forget transvestites, teenage prostitutes, pedophiles, lesbians, oh and child terrorists.

Yeah, we're ready for those too.

They have no reason to baby us anymore.

[dunno001]

Would I? Yes, and I'd be willing to buy it for any system that I currently own. Hypothetically, if they wanted to be cute, and rerelease this for the Super Famicom, I would hunt down a copy and buy it also. So needless to say I'd jump on a PSP version also. And a hint to Atlus Japan- we want both! :tongue:

[Worm]

I'm even kind of leery of Persona 1 PSP, I'd like to see at least a little updated graphics.

[Killrig]

I'd prefer both as a single package, but yes, I'd pick it up -- without a doubt. I'm having a great time with the original on the PSP.

[Macheath]

YES!!!! I want this game so bad...

[Jackstar]

2 copies per title, no problem.

[Zenieth]

One thing I'd enjoy would be how they handle the cover art, it could really unbelievable tying in the meaning of both games, if they come together.

[Archie55]

I have to ask a question: Would Atlus JP even look at this... Even if the current rating of yes is 92.78%? Because, although I may upset some people (even myself), I think that they may not make Persona 2 for PSP if they are just making Persona 3 for PSP. There was a game series that was remade or something like this I think when they skipped some game and acted like it didn't exist. I think.

[Archie55]

Maybe We Should Make A Petition!

[Zacewing]

Just because they did P3 before P2 doesn't mean we won't see a P2 port.

[Nephlabobo]

Just because they did P3 before P2 doesn't mean we won't see a P2 port.

Because of the content in the game, Persona 2 is always going to be the red-headed step-child of the series.

We're either going to get *only* Eternal Punishment - which I will not support, or nothing.

[Archie55]

Just because they did P3 before P2 doesn't mean we won't see a P2 port.

Because of the content in the game, Persona 2 is always going to be the red-headed step-child of the series.

We're either going to get *only* Eternal Punishment - which I will not support, or nothing.
What do you mean by that? The content?? If you mean Hitler... the SMT games have always been serious and mature... AND GUESS WHAT? Woflenstien is all about Hitler... So why not remake and relocalize? We NEVER got the snow queen quest before Persona PSP... ANd now it seems that Atlus is more about fan service... So why not?

[BaizDaza]

woo mine was the 100th vote. Of course it was a yes.

[Eggn0g]

There is nothing in IS that a Western audiance can't handle. There is nothing in IS that hasn't been done before in other games, films, books etc.

Basically, there is nothing in IS that would stop Atlus from localising a PSP port. Feel free to prove me wrong.

The main question is weather Atlus JP think it would be profitable to make a port and it Atlus USA think it would sell enough to justify localising it. Either way, it would take more than 100-odd Western fans to pursuade anyone to port the game.

If they do port it, I hope they do more than they did for P1's port, because P2 hasn't aged very well gameplay-wise.

[Archie55]

There is nothing in IS that a Western audiance can't handle. There is nothing in IS that hasn't been done before in other games, films, books etc.

Basically, there is nothing in IS that would stop Atlus from localising a PSP port. Feel free to prove me wrong.

The main question is weather Atlus JP think it would be profitable to make a port and it Atlus USA think it would sell enough to justify localising it. Either way, it would take more than 100-odd Western fans to pursuade anyone to port the game.

If they do port it, I hope they do more than they did for P1's port, because P2 hasn't aged very well gameplay-wise.
Agreed. Newer games have done a lot worse. What happens in IS could be considered to be nothing compared to other games. It's not like there is anything that would get the medias attention...
And the thing about the 100-odd fans, i'm sure that there are more people all around the world that want it. We CAN'T be the only ones.

[SunshinexKite]

Id totally want a P2 PSP game :D I need to buy more PSP games. Ive only got 4 and I've beat all of them except for Persona which I'll be beating soon.

[Tsuko]

I havent gotten anywhere near beating Persona PSP, i got to the point where you are in a mall that you cannot leave from, i stopped playing deleted my save and got Aion

[Kakizaki]

^You send a lot of mixed messages. It gets pretty ridiculous. Like I have said before, for a dude that claimed to have played the original Persona before, you come off as understanding very little of it.

[Foobar]

I don't want to even begin to understand what Aion had to do with anything, then again, this is the one that gave up on Devil Survivor over Beldr and his patently obvious Achilles Heel. Can't say I'm surprised the Harem Queen portion would be a stumper for him.

I accept that a lot of this game has to be looked at in the context of 1997. I wouldn't say its hard for me to get in that mindset, either. I think a few more consessions could have been made to streamline things for portable play, but I also realize that would be overhauling the combat system entirely.

So rather than quibble about it I just set aside Persona PSP until I have some of my other RPGs wrapped up. Then I can get back to Persona and its lengthier random encounters. Negotiating my way out only stays interesting for so long, but I can deal with lengthy encounters so long as I'm in the right frame of mind.

-----------------------------

I do hope to see Persona 2 in both halves come around eventually, doesn't matter when, though. I think the leap to Persona 3 just has much to do with not only its popularity, but that in the face of that, a lot of people still missed out on it.

With Persona and eventually P3P available for download, I think it will only make people more curious about Persona 2 and its two installments.

Its kinda like the nagging detail of Final Fantasy III. We had every last one in the US released, even one called FFIII when that one was actually FFVI. When you see you don't have that one installment, demand eventually grows.

[Vicious1915]

I've never actually gotten to open, let alone play my copy of Persona 3: FES (I played Persona 3: Original Version), but I do own and have listened to the soundtrack. There are "Snow Queen" and "Maya's Theme" tracks on that soundtrack. I dunno why. I do know that if those themes from the first and second games were incorporated into the third games re-release soundtrack, then that must mean something, right?

Maybe not. I really don't know...but it seems that since P1 and P2 are DEFINITELY connected then a port or remake of P2 would almost be necessary.

Atlus realizes we appreciate their time, money, and effort. Most, if not all, games they release fly off the shelves. I have faith we will see Innocent Sin, Eternal Punishment, and Persona 3: PSP.

[Tsuko]

^You send a lot of mixed messages. It gets pretty ridiculous. Like I have said before, for a dude that claimed to have played the original Persona before, you come off as understanding very little of it.

i own the PS1 version of P1, i didnt get very far into it but i got farther into the PSP version however, i dont have anything against Shin Megami Tensei or Persona but after playing Aion, i dont like offline rpgs anymore

[Orphnoch]

Absolutely. I was wishing for a remake ever since I heard about P1 getting remade.

[TheDoctor]

Absolutely. I was wishing for a remake ever since I heard about P1 getting remade.

Persona PSP was a port not a remake.

[Archie55]

Well, i think that if Persona 1 did well (sorry, don't check sales data as much as some other people do) and P3P does good (I HAVE AN EXCUSE! NO DATA HAS BEEN RELEASED YET!) then it could be likely. Am i still going to be surprised? Yes. Would i be surprised if something like... oh, say... P4P was announced before it? No.

[Pibbman]

Unlikese Persona 3 PSP, I would definitely get this one if both EP and IS was released in english. Honestly I was thinking this one would be next after the first one was released on PSP.

[TheDoctor]

Well, i think that if Persona 1 did well (sorry, don't check sales data as much as some other people do) and P3P does good (I HAVE AN EXCUSE! NO DATA HAS BEEN RELEASED YET!) then it could be likely. Am i still going to be surprised? Yes. Would i be surprised if something like... oh, say... P4P was announced before it? No.

I personally don't think Persona did well, Personal 3 Portable probably it's going to do way better. Most people only want to play P3.

The way I see it Atlus probably wants to raise money for a console game. I'm not sure how popular P3 was in Japan but they are aware that in the West people really liked that one game.

Like I said somewhere else, I'd rather get ports of some of the games we didn't get than ports of games we did. I have hopes that Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers will get a PSP port.

Though it would be nice to get an official Persona 2: IS translation.

[Ephidel]

Well, i think that if Persona 1 did well (sorry, don't check sales data as much as some other people do) and P3P does good (I HAVE AN EXCUSE! NO DATA HAS BEEN RELEASED YET!) then it could be likely. Am i still going to be surprised? Yes. Would i be surprised if something like... oh, say... P4P was announced before it? No.

I personally don't think Persona did well, Personal 3 Portable probably it's going to do way better. Most people only want to play P3.

Persona PSP can't have done too badly in Japan at least, as going by Siliconera's story on some Atlus sales report (http://www.siliconera.com/2009/10/06/well-how-many-copies-did-persona-4-and-devil-survivor-sell/) it sold far better than they expected
Persona (PSP) – 160,000 (50,000 expected)

They may have skipped P2 for the P3P port for now, but those numbers are surely a bit promising. I would assume you're right that P3P will probably sell far more though, but that doesn't rule 2 out entirely. I hope ^^;
I think that EP was one of the first Atlus games I played, and nostalgia alone would easily make me pick it up again if it were released as P2P even without IS (although it would be significantly better if it were included. I picked up a JP copy off of ebay a couple of months ago so I could use it for the trans patch, and I've love to play it 'officially'. Was in surprisingly good condition, had some holo card with it and everything :)).

[Willzyx]

I would buy absolutely any Persona (or MegaTen, really) ported to the PSP. Even those that I already own.

Why? Because I rarely have time to sit in front of my TV and spend 100+ hours on an RPG. Portables are what allows me to sink major time into games. I owned both Disgaea 1 and 2 on PS2, but it wasn't until the PSP releases that I really got into them.

I'm halfway through "The Answer" on Persona 3: FES, and even then I still plan on buying the PSP port.

[Archie55]

Well, i think that if Persona 1 did well (sorry, don't check sales data as much as some other people do) and P3P does good (I HAVE AN EXCUSE! NO DATA HAS BEEN RELEASED YET!) then it could be likely. Am i still going to be surprised? Yes. Would i be surprised if something like... oh, say... P4P was announced before it? No.

I personally don't think Persona did well, Personal 3 Portable probably it's going to do way better. Most people only want to play P3.

Persona PSP can't have done too badly in Japan at least, as going by Siliconera's story on some Atlus sales report (http://www.siliconera.com/2009/10/06/well-how-many-copies-did-persona-4-and-devil-survivor-sell/) it sold far better than they expected
Persona (PSP) – 160,000 (50,000 expected)

They may have skipped P2 for the P3P port for now, but those numbers are surely a bit promising. I would assume you're right that P3P will probably sell far more though, but that doesn't rule 2 out entirely. I hope ^^;
I think that EP was one of the first Atlus games I played, and nostalgia alone would easily make me pick it up again if it were released as P2P even without IS (although it would be significantly better if it were included. I picked up a JP copy off of ebay a couple of months ago so I could use it for the trans patch, and I've love to play it 'officially'. Was in surprisingly good condition, had some holo card with it and everything :)).
Wow... That's 110,000 more than they expected, if my math is right. So if those numbers in anyway influenced P3P, than even if we do get a port of P4 (which I would still be perfectly happy with) then the sales data from P3P could influence P4 or P2, then we would most likely get the one we didn't get from P3P sales. And since we know Atlus, we'd probably get it. I'M COUNTING ON YOU, ATLUS! I didn't play Persona 3 before... So yeah, I NEED them to bring us Persona 3 portable.

[Kenji]

Also, regarding domestic P2 potential (I can't speak for how popular it is in Japan compared to P1 and P3), I can't help but remember that Eternal Punishment reprint that occurred near P4's launch... that lasted all of, what, one day?

[Nephlabobo]

There is nothing in IS that a Western audiance can't handle. There is nothing in IS that hasn't been done before in other games, films, books etc.

Basically, there is nothing in IS that would stop Atlus from localising a PSP port. Feel free to prove me wrong.

The religious nutjobs and overzealous parents that want to protect their children from everything "bad" say hello.

[Kakizaki]

^I have a really hard time believing anyone would even notice. Despite the surge of popularity of Persona in the West due to P3/P4, I'm pretty certain the content in IS would fly right under the radar.

[DamageCity]

The religious nutjobs argument reminds me of when Xenogears came out in Japan and every magazine was saying it wouldn't come out here because of the religious theme.

Or when Nocturne came out in Japan and everyone said it wouldn't come out here because of the religious themes.

[TheDoctor]

Persona PSP can't have done too badly in Japan at least, as going by Siliconera's story on some Atlus sales report (http://www.siliconera.com/2009/10/06/well-how-many-copies-did-persona-4-and-devil-survivor-sell/) it sold far better than they expected
Persona (PSP) – 160,000 (50,000 expected)

From what I was told the original Persona was very popular in 90s, even more than P3, so there was a nostalgia factor. Apparently the numbers started to drop off when people began to notice the things they changed. O_o

Also, regarding domestic P2 potential (I can't speak for how popular it is in Japan compared to P1 and P3), I can't help but remember that Eternal Punishment reprint that occurred near P4's launch... that lasted all of, what, one day?

Yeah, it sold out pretty quickly, I think a lot was people buying the game to re-sell it for more later.

There was a reprint back in 2005 or 2006 as well. I remember seeing it new at EBgames for like $25.

[SlaughterX]

I'd buy Innocent Sin, but I don't know about EP since I already own it... maybe if I can sell my original version for a profit and the new version had some type of improvements (or have both games in one).

[Archie55]

^I have a really hard time believing anyone would even notice. Despite the surge of popularity of Persona in the West due to P3/P4, I'm pretty certain the content in IS would fly right under the radar.
Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhh I think i would have to agree with you. It's not like there's anything to get noticed. Does it have Mass Effect content? No. Too violent? No. Killing innocents? No. It seems fine to me. THEY SHOULD ANNOUNCE IT FOR THE SAKE THAT IT WOULDN'T GET BAD ATTENTION, LOL

[Kakizaki]

^I'm not sure what you are implying, but I am quite aware of what is in IS. It just isn't a high enough profile game for people bothered by such things to even notice or care.

[Archie55]

^What i'm saying is that there's nothing to really make it M, or anything to get the medias attention. You won't see anything like TONIGHT'S HEADLINE: PERSONA 2 PSP WANTS HITLER? No. I don't think that that could happen. Unless people want to be stupid.

[pktazn]

Yes, I would buy this if this came out at last.

Does it really matter if it came out rated M? I mean most of the SMT games are M... although the Persona series is usually T but still.

[Aizuku]

Yes, but I'd rather it be for Nintendo's handheld :)

[Blizz]

I will definitely buy any persona game made on the psp. One suggestion since some people didn't like the soundtrack with the remake of Persona Revelations I would suggest some were in the options to have original or new.

[Zacewing]

If they change the music in the PSP version of P2 I will bomb Atlus Japan and order a hit on Shoji Meguro.

My precious... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMTTUYRFc58)

[thetempleknight]

i would absolutely buy persona 2 if it came out on the psp, i snapped up persona one as soon as it was out oin the psp, and persona 3 and 4 on the ps2 as well, so persona 2 would be awesome.

[Archie55]

I just saw the sales data for P3P... Both UMD and PSN... And they were amazing. I don't see why Atlus wouldn't remake it now. Unless... They don't want to. Or they don't want to make money. Or they have some other odd reason that I can't think of/explain.

[Kenji]

Well, there's always P4P. :P

Seriously, though, it partially depends on how popular P2 was in Japan... as I understand it, it ranks below P1 and P3, but don't quote me on that. That said, P3P doing very well might increase the chances of a PSP P2 port... that'd be nice...

[Senn2]

"Persona 2 PSP; Would you buy it?"
Yeah, I think. Maybe because I have a PSP with a small number of games lol :D

But Atlus, start thinking on making Xbox 360, PS3 or Wii Megaten games :(
Don't saying that i dislike portable games, but...
P1, P3P, Devil Survivor, Strange Journey... and now... You want P2P?
P2's a fu***** great game, the 2th at my ranking of best Shin Megami Tensei.
But... nah, enough with PSP and DS, at least for now. :/

[Archie55]

"Persona 2 PSP; Would you buy it?"
Yeah, I think. Maybe because I have a PSP with a small number of games lol :D

But Atlus, start thinking on making Xbox 360, PS3 or Wii Megaten games :(
Don't saying that i dislike portable games, but...
P1, P3P, Devil Survivor, Strange Journey... and now... You want P2P?
P2's a fu***** great game, the 2th at my ranking of best Shin Megami Tensei.
But... nah, enough with PSP and DS, at least for now. :/
Well... Ya see, i can only play the ones that are on PSP and DS because i don't... umm... own a PS2, which is what most SMT games are on... So i'm okay with all these portable releases.

[Hamel]

"Persona 2 PSP; Would you buy it?"
Yeah, I think. Maybe because I have a PSP with a small number of games lol :D

But Atlus, start thinking on making Xbox 360, PS3 or Wii Megaten games :(
Don't saying that i dislike portable games, but...
P1, P3P, Devil Survivor, Strange Journey... and now... You want P2P?
P2's a fu***** great game, the 2th at my ranking of best Shin Megami Tensei.
But... nah, enough with PSP and DS, at least for now. :/
Well... Ya see, i can only play the ones that are on PSP and DS because i don't... umm... own a PS2, which is what most SMT games are on... So i'm okay with all these portable releases.

So...umm... buy a PS2?it's cheap and it has the largest library of good games

[Soushi_Grapple]

2 and 4 are my absolute favorite Persona games. I'd much prefer a P2 or P4P port than anything else at the moment.

[ghost_zero]

If both came out translated in English. I would definitely import from the US (live in Europe). Actually, I really want to play Persona 2 as I don't have either IS or EP and it doesn't seem like I will be able to buy them somewhere :(

I currently don't have a PSP but once Persona 2 came out, I would definitely buy one. However, I will probably buy one soon anyway, as I want to get Persona 1 PSP and some other games coming out next year.

[Zacewing]

I've come to realise that playing P2 with an actual PS1 controller instead of a keyboard makes the game much more enjoyable and makes navigating the battle menus much less of a pain in the ass.

Plus the music actually sounds the way it was intended to sound now!

[Archie55]

I just read an interesting article on siliconera about how atlus JP is recruiting an army of debuggers... I hope that i'n right when i saw that the porting process from the PS1 to PSP could've made some bugs... or not. I don't know, but something new is coming for sure, if it isn't this.

[Zacewing]

I just read an interesting article on siliconera about how atlus JP is recruiting an army of debuggers... I hope that i'n right when i saw that the porting process from the PS1 to PSP could've made some bugs... or not. I don't know, but something new is coming for sure, if it isn't this.

Maybe Atlus messed up another demon password and summoned another slime that ate all of their debuggers. :p

[TheDoctor]

I just read an interesting article on siliconera about how atlus JP is recruiting an army of debuggers... I hope that i'n right when i saw that the porting process from the PS1 to PSP could've made some bugs... or not. I don't know, but something new is coming for sure, if it isn't this.

Please sweet God that they are working on a PSP port of Soul Hackers.

[WishDiosaFelina]

I would buy this game for sure if it comes out. I have Persona, Persona 3 and Persona 4, but I don't have Persona Eternal Punishment/Innocent Sin.

So I support a port or remake for this.

[Mellusia]

What a silly question. Of course I'd get a Persona 2 PSP remake/port. I've played P3, P4 and now working through the PSP remake of Persona 1. All of those games have left a very good impression on me so I would think P2 should be a good game.

If the opportunity came to buy a P2 remake, when it's virtually impossible to find without spending a whopping amount of money on a game that's used and missing a manual, I'd take it.

Furthermore, if they can somehow include both P2 games in one package, that would be epic win ^^

[Archie55]

Siliconera posted an artical about the persona 4 team spliting up for a "new project". And the team of debuggers? Something is deffanetly happening. So heres to hopping it's a new persona or P2P!

[Aliquem]

I just bought a brand new copy of P2 last night lol, it was the last game I was missing. I wouldn't mind a psp port or something as long as it's both p2 games. At any rate I'll just convert my p2 and put it on my psp for the time being.

[Nexus]

If they ever did release Persona 2 onto the PSP I would most definitely buy it. Now if only they would do that...

[Eldorado112]

Hmm it depends. Got the first one and didnt really love it like P3 and P4. I think its because persona PSP was old school. I still played it and enjoyed it but still didnt make me feel good about buying it. If they fixed it up and made it more new school then yeah id buy it in a heartbeat. If they keep it orginal which im sure everyone will want them to do then i might buy it just for the story because im curious about the story which is one reason I bought persona PSP. But first id like P3P.

[marche1990]

I would, but under a condition: Revamp the battle system!! while I'm liking the story of IS, I didn't really liked the battle system and that is the reason of why I haven't finished it yet

[Eldorado112]

actually ive been reading some of the comments on the earlier pages of this thread and ive changed my mind. Id be all up for it even if nothing was changed. I still want to play all the games and get the stories. I would enjoy a 3d remake so it looks like p3/4 but thats not needed for me. THe battle system though i would really want to be changed. I want it to be more like p3/4 than persona 1.Keeping in the contact system would be cool too. Also s links might be cool too because in persona 1 the characters didnt really have any depth to them so i would like something where you get to know them more. And everyone who wants this game i bet you can assure were getting it in the near future because they wouldnt have remade revelations persona for psp.

[Hamel]

Also s links might be cool

No, it wouldn't fit the game.
and P2 characters have a lot of depth

[Foobar]

Jamming social links into the older games might be a bit much.

And if Atlus staff accounts were anything to go by, fitting social links in with the calender and weather system in P4 was maddening. Since only some of the characters in P2 are high school kids, putting in all that stuff wouldn't be so easy.

[TheDoctor]

The thing that makes the difference is that the cities in Persona 3 and 4 aren't in immediate threat like the cities in Persona and Persona 2.

So that gives the kids in those games time to chill out while P1 and P2 cast are running for their lives trying to figure out how to stop the demons on the streets and the crazy psychos from turning people into shadow selves, etc.

Although you get to do some social things like going to restaurants and getting CDs in P2 there is a greater sense of urgency.

[Archie55]

I don't really want them to mess with stuff. Like, if it was something like "localizing" the characters like in the original Persona that came to the US the first time. If they add something (like a new story/character/whatever) then they can change a few things here and there, but they should try to make it as close as it was.
If this happens, that is

[Eldorado112]

Also s links might be cool

No, it wouldn't fit the game.
and P2 characters have a lot of depth
ok well I meant some type of social thing. Like instead of everyday you go to school and chill with your friend but maybe add some side events like where everyone goes to the beach or whatever when of course there is no one who is going to blow up a building when there hanging out but like when they have freetime. Or in the dungeon(someone already said this so Ill quote him) "have a break room where you can talk to each character and get to know them a little more and what they think about the situation."

[Hamel]

They have break rooms in P2 so they don't need to add that
play the game before you suggest adding stuff it already has

[TheDoctor]

"have a break room where you can talk to each character and get to know them a little more and what they think about the situation."

Like the person above said, play the game before you say they should add things that are already there.

The way the story unfolds there is little time to chill out with your friends, the threats aren't as nebulous and slow to come like in Persona 3/4.

[Iris]

Or in the dungeon(someone already said this so Ill quote him) "have a break room where you can talk to each character and get to know them a little more and what they think about the situation."


So...this, basically?

http://dekaja.dreamwidth.org/780.html

(Still woefully unfinished, admittedly.)

P3/4 have a completely different style of pacing, as has been said above. I really don't see any way to make P2 more like them that wouldn't be horribly out of place.

And I love the P2 battle system as it is. Figuring out an effective team for fusion spells is where most of the fun lies, for me. If I want to play a game with the P3/4 system, I'll...go play P3/4 again! I don't get why people think a game needs to be just like the others in the series to be worth playing. Can't we enjoy it on its own merits?

[Yuki-chan]

I would buy it, but I prefer that the game have the same songs and the same 2D Graphics.

[Evilkinggumby]

P3/4 have a completely different style of pacing, as has been said above. I really don't see any way to make P2 more like them that wouldn't be horribly out of place.

And I love the P2 battle system as it is. Figuring out an effective team for fusion spells is where most of the fun lies, for me. If I want to play a game with the P3/4 system, I'll...go play P3/4 again! I don't get why people think a game needs to be just like the others in the series to be worth playing. Can't we enjoy it on its own merits?

It's evolution baby! haha. because 3/4 came out after on more advanced systems and with newer more innovative gameplay that brought thousands of new fans to the series, of COURSE folk wanna apply the game mechanics of the latter games to the old dusty games of way back when.. lol..

personally i like the original p1/2 though I only have the typical american versions and not BOTH of the 2nd. still, I can appreciate the effort and finess they put into those games and whereas it would be INTERESTING to see the game adapted to something newer, I don't think it would necessarily make it better. just newer.

I really need to play through p2 again to recall just how detailed and crazy the game is. damned be my work schedule now!

I would say dropping p2 onto the psps would be fine if they kept the current state of the ps1 graphics. the game was a huge step from p1 and still looks solid in so many ways. yes they could maybe add a bit here and there with cut scenes or story moments drawn out in anime cut scenes, but thats mostly fluff addons. the core game engine would still look pretty similar to other games being released to portables. (though I say that as someone who isn't really playing them, so I could be frighteningly wrong... )

[TheDoctor]

It's evolution baby! haha. because 3/4 came out after on more advanced systems and with newer more innovative gameplay that brought thousands of new fans to the series, of COURSE folk wanna apply the game mechanics of the latter games to the old dusty games of way back when.. lol..

It isn't evolution, it's recycling of the press-turn and demon fusion gameplay of the SMT: Nocturne, again. Can't really say P3/4 really advanced anything related to battle/fusion in the overall Magaten series.

yes they could maybe add a bit here and there with cut scenes or story moments drawn out in anime cut scenes, but thats mostly fluff addons.

If they ever re-make the cutscenes I hope it's not the company that made them in P3/4, the quality of the anime P2 cutscenes were superior.

[elf_boobs]

I would absolutely love to play P2 on the PSP, and I would be fine if it was released in two seperate parts, just as long as the story is complete.

[Evilkinggumby]

It isn't evolution, it's recycling of the press-turn and demon fusion gameplay of the SMT: Nocturne, again. Can't really say P3/4 really advanced anything related to battle/fusion in the overall Magaten series.

If they ever re-make the cutscenes I hope it's not the company that made them in P3/4, the quality of the anime P2 cutscenes were superior.

I was being slightly sarcastic about the evolution :) though I do like to think a game is more then "the press-turn and demon fusion gameplay ". when you pigeonhole a game into the core mechanics of gameplay, a LOT of games all sound like borrowed broken or ripped versions of other games (how many new games are labeled either god-of-war clones or GTA clones or FF clones?). I generally look at games for all aspects, from the gameplay style to the characters and their motivations, to story and plot. The music, the pacing, the details and depth of content all are part of the gameplay experience(among far more other aspects I don't have the time to throw in).

Granted I won't say a game is all nuts and bolts either (to call p3/4 an evolution based solely on the graphics engine is a bit hasty).

The idea they built p3/4 off concepts from nocturne is just par for the course(in terms of game development). it is an already-built chunk of rules and coding they thought could be adapted and easily worked into the Persona series. Did it work? sure. Would it be apropriate to p1/2? i doubt it without completely revising the game structure (in which case, why not just make a new game?) There is always going to be a divide between those that love and worship p1/2 and those that love p3/4. it is definitely easy to love them all, but there's a lot of folk who would hate to see the old games revised to match the new. Either way, the more games Atlus makes, the more we can all love or hate their choices. :)

in regards to the cut scenes/cinematics.. yeah I have to completely agree. whereas the anime worked, it was pretty weak and it always bothered me how the style of drawing in those didn't seem to flow well with the on-screen characters during gameplay (3d or even 2d cut outs...)

[TheDoctor]

I was being slightly sarcastic about the evolution :) though I do like to think a game is more then "the press-turn and demon fusion gameplay

I thought you were refering only to the battle fusion system of the last 2 Persona games not the other gaming aspects (school schedule, s.links etc) when you mentioned evolution. Obviously it's a completely different way the earlier and latter Persona games are paced and I agree that it those aspects would completely alter the feeling of the earlier games.

There is always going to be a divide between those that love and worship p1/2 and those that love p3/4. it is definitely easy to love them all, but there's a lot of folk who would hate to see the old games revised to match the new.

I think the old game should remain old in at all of aspects. I personally feel P2 and P4 are my favorite Persona games but for different reason.

[Archie55]

I would absolutely love to play P2 on the PSP, and I would be fine if it was released in two seperate parts, just as long as the story is complete.
Yeah, I think that was kinda a BS move when they released it the first time. If they had released the first part here earlier, then there might not be this much support. I'd still support it, because I'm still new to the SMT series. And I've never played any of the Persona games.

[Archie55]

Well, now that we have p3p announced for here, I think that if they remake P2, we shouldn't fear if it is or isn't coming over- only when.

[TheDoctor]

Well, now that we have p3p announced for here, I think that if they remake P2, we shouldn't fear if it is or isn't coming over- only when.

I think most of us didn't doubt P3P was going to be brought over, Atlus USA has been bringing pretty much every Megaten game to NA since Nocturne, they even brought DemiKids!

The only one I think they didn't was NINE, which I heard it's pretty bad anyway.

[Eldorado112]

Well, now that we have p3p announced for here, I think that if they remake P2, we shouldn't fear if it is or isn't coming over- only when.

I think most of us didn't doubt P3P was going to be brought over, Atlus USA has been bringing pretty much every Megaten game to NA since Nocturne, they even brought DemiKids!

The only one I think they didn't was NINE, which I heard it's pretty bad anyway.
really? i was getting kinda scared for a sec but its just cuase i wasnt being patient. Btw i preordered it so im so psyched which means we arent going to see another game here for a while after P3P im hoping its p2 with some tweaks to it.

[Archie55]

Yeah, we may not get something for a while, but if we do, it will totally be worth the wait.

[Chromanin]

Of course I'd buy it. I'd buy it twice. It'd have to be both IS and EP, though. On one UMD would be cool, but seperately would be fine, too. And no, don't shoehorn any gimmicks in for the sake of making the game more P3/P4 like.

[fenixREVOLUTION]

Day one, all I gotta say.

[Kenji]

I'd like to briefly share a bit of a "durr" epiphany I had, regarding why Innocent Sin never came to America: specifically, the Hitler reason, which always seemed less justifiable than the Kurosu reason. I missed the forest for the trees up 'til just today and, looking at some of the confusion on back pages of this topic, quite a few others are with me.

And, to be safe, I'll just throw up a spoiler tag, too. Though, if you already know Hitler's in the game, you probably know all of this, too:

The issue isn't that Hitler shows up, or that he plays a role as a villain. All of this is really a non-issue, considering that Hitler is the implied Big Bad of every WWII movie in existence. Instead, the issue is with the imagery of Hitler's coming to Sumaru: He's risen from the dead (at which nobody even blinks), wields a holy relic, is surrounded by roughly a dozen apostles, and has come to claim ownership over the whole world.

What we're basically talking about here is the Second Coming of Christ... starring Hitler. That's the offensive part.

[Chromanin]

I'm sure that was a contributing factor, but what we're hoping is that America is finally ready for it. Hitler made similar appearances as a villain using relics of the occult in the Golden Age of comics and in fairly recent superhero cartoons(pretty sure it was Justice League). I don't see how Hitler could have been the only reason the game wasn't localized. He isn't a complete stranger to entertainment media.

[JeremyR]

I realize that video games are held to different standards than PC games, but 20 years ago (I was reminded of this by EA's upcoming game Dante's Inferno) EA released a PC RPG called "Escape from Hell" that not only had Hitler in it, he was a recruitable character.

It wasn't a very good game (to put it mildly) so probably no one noticed. But still...no furor (er, pun not intended)

[AlkaidFan]

I would personally buy it. For this reason, and this reason alone. I haven't played it. And I want to play it.

[Saburo Hikari]

I'd buy it definitely, but I probably won't play it very long, just as how I gave up on just about every SMT game outside of Persona 3 and 4. I was liking Devil Survivor, but the battle system started to bore me. I'm liking Digital Devil Saga and Devil Summoner 2 a little though. But I'll still support Atlus and get (almost) all of their SMT games as collectibles.

[Kyoko]

Of course I would !
I didn't really play the PS1 version ,but as long as it's "Persona" it has to be awesome.

[baleensavage]

Yes, yes, yes, yes!

Please port ALL of Persona 2 to the US! I have next to no interest in any more versions of Persona 3 or 4 for any system, but a real port of both Persona 2 games is my #1 hope for Atlus. Please!

[elf_boobs]

This is one of those things that makes me want a PSP. I REALLY want to play the recent Persona port, and maybe KB and a couple of other games, but it's the lure of finally getting to play all of the Persona games I missed back during the PS1 days that would justify a purchase.

[Archie55]

According to some research, P3P was announced on August 17th last year for Japan. For America, it was announced on January 20th. So that is about four months and three days. If I'm right, that is. So when (I'm kinda gonna give up on the if for now) P2P is announced, we should get an announcement in about 4-5 months. Approximatly. SMT: Devil Survivor and Strange journey were announced for here in (I believe) six months of the first announcement.
And also, another interesting fact: Persona PSP Remake was announced in general on about February 4th, 2009 or so. So that was about 7 months, including February and August. That means that (of it follows a pattern at all) we could expect some form of an SMT announcement soon. Either that, or I just love to dream and calculate.

[raiku]

just release it already atlus japan

[Archie55]

I've been thinking... The way Atlus is about it's fans and it's games, do you think that they wanted to publish Innocent Sin? Was SCEA stopping them? If they did want to publish it here, what would've stopped them?