GOOD GOD! Some of these boss fights are hard.

[heyitskeith]

True story. Minus the trial and error of half of these battles this game is sick. I'm also that guy who's a "grinding hater"- so that might have something to do with it haha.

[Enzeru]

I dislike the few boss battles as well. They totally ruin my experience when they come around; I'll be addicted to the game for awhile and then those huge roadblocks come around that require tons of Mitama grinding/fusing/level grinding if you don't have just the right build that the game wants you to have. It's obvious that you need to be a mage to survive the boss battles; why does the game even give you the freedom to create a physical hitter, like I (regrettably) did?

[Alana]

xDD Yeah. I fail with strategy so I haven't been that good at this game. I'm still determined to finish it though. x333

[Decept]

It's obvious that you need to be a mage to survive the boss battles; why does the game even give you the freedom to create a physical hitter, like I (regrettably) did?

From what I have been reading, that seems too be the case so I fear because I too created a physical hitter and now it seems that was a mistake. It is much easier to target a weakness rather than trying to guarantee a critical.

I am worried about the upcoming boss fights since now that I know I have gone the "wrong" route with my main.

[Tsuko]

all my mains stats are balanced

[fmrli]

I don't think that the game is too hard. I just make sure none of my Demons have any weaknesses and that I have all elemental spells. Of course I spend a lot of time fusing but that is one of the things I like about MegaTen games.

It's obvious that you need to be a mage to survive the boss battles; why does the game even give you the freedom to create a physical hitter, like I (regrettably) did?
I spend 4 points on strenth at the begining of the game because that's the way I normaly skill my megaten maincharakters but I forgot that this is an SRPG and that I get all MP back after every fight ... I wish I would have spend those 4 points on magic ....

[Gen Eric Gui]

You need to have SOME STR. But the general rule with Megaten games is that Magic > Phys. I mean, you already have Atsuro for Phys skills, and you don't get hardly any of them, so you don't really want to split those more than one way.

[Hamel]

You can be a physical guy if you so wish
Pierce will do 100% physical damage to the enemies

[Enzeru]

You can be a physical guy if you so wish
Pierce will do 100% physical damage to the enemies
I realize that, but Atsuro needs it as well as your MC if he's a physical hitter, but that's impossible.

[Nephlabobo]

This is good info to know when you're just starting the game, thanks.

[Hamel]

You can be a physical guy if you so wish
Pierce will do 100% physical damage to the enemies
I realize that, but Atsuro needs it as well as your MC if he's a physical hitter, but that's impossible.

By the time for the serious bosses you will have more than 4 characters in your party so you can just switch him out

[Enzeru]

You can be a physical guy if you so wish
Pierce will do 100% physical damage to the enemies
I realize that, but Atsuro needs it as well as your MC if he's a physical hitter, but that's impossible.

By the time for the serious bosses you will have more than 4 characters in your party so you can just switch him out
I'm on Day 6 against you-know-who and I only have four characters.

[heyitskeith]

I'm at the end of day 6 as well and am sore from the repeated raping. I got a few more demons with the long distance wave attack so hopefully my next attempt will go smoother.

[Enzeru]

Yeah, I've tried about ten times now...If worse comes to worst, then I might just re-start. It's not that hard of a game up to this point.

[Lehran]

I made my main character a physical fighter and im in the last part of day six and it does 4XX with power hit o.o
And well.. if ur characters are low leveled yes, this games is hard.
Im lvl 46 right now and i cant win the battle where u know who appears xD

[Enzeru]

Yeah, all my humans are Level 50+ and it's really annoying.

[Rekkuso]

well the game isnt that hard, i mean i got strong demons a balanced MC, use Yuzu and her demnos as healers and atsuro as backup and everything is fine, of course it took me some time to crack all the maradyne spells, i really hate the part of battle with no reason to level up, so i simply started battles and if i didnt found the skill i wanted i ran from it then again until i cracked the skill and after cracking it i just kept running from the battles, my devils are lvl 67 MC is lvl 65, yuzu is 70 (since she heals everyone) and atsuro is 67, the extra ones i really dont use them since i would have to train em and that is boring, but day six bel isnt that hard, the really hard ones come after you-know-who if you choose the very good side or the very bad side of the story, those are tough boss battles since you actually have to kill almost every boss that you have killed and a really massive gigantic inmune-to-all almost-evil mega boss

that is hard
so good luck =D

[Tsuko]

well the game isnt that hard, i mean i got strong demons a balanced MC, use Yuzu and her demnos as healers and atsuro as backup and everything is fine, of course it took me some time to crack all the maradyne spells, i really hate the part of battle with no reason to level up, so i simply started battles and if i didnt found the skill i wanted i ran from it then again until i cracked the skill and after cracking it i just kept running from the battles, my devils are lvl 67 MC is lvl 65, yuzu is 70 (since she heals everyone) and atsuro is 67, the extra ones i really dont use them since i would have to train em and that is boring, but day six bel isnt that hard, the really hard ones come after you-know-who if you choose the very good side or the very bad side of the story, those are tough boss battles since you actually have to kill almost every boss that you have killed and a really massive gigantic inmune-to-all almost-evil mega boss

that is hard
so good luck =D

please send a pm to me saying who you-know-who is

[mjemirzian]

I found the day 7 bosses to be the most difficult.. except the Yuzu route.. those are just a pushover like the rest of the game.

[Enzeru]

well the game isnt that hard, i mean i got strong demons a balanced MC, use Yuzu and her demnos as healers and atsuro as backup and everything is fine, of course it took me some time to crack all the maradyne spells, i really hate the part of battle with no reason to level up, so i simply started battles and if i didnt found the skill i wanted i ran from it then again until i cracked the skill and after cracking it i just kept running from the battles, my devils are lvl 67 MC is lvl 65, yuzu is 70 (since she heals everyone) and atsuro is 67, the extra ones i really dont use them since i would have to train em and that is boring, but day six bel isnt that hard, the really hard ones come after you-know-who if you choose the very good side or the very bad side of the story, those are tough boss battles since you actually have to kill almost every boss that you have killed and a really massive gigantic inmune-to-all almost-evil mega boss

that is hard
so good luck =D
So are you saying I should grind for another 20 levels? Great...

EDIT: I just beat it. Holy Dance = Godly. I increased my Python's Magic stat to 36 so that it had lots of MP, then Holy Dance'd you-know-who away. And then I was greeted by an ending I didn't want at all...Fun.

[Rekkuso]

hahaha thats funny

[mjemirzian]

If you can make it to day 7 at level 50 and about 80k mecca without grinding, you can use metami fusion and get a couple demons to uber levels of stats which will help with finishing off the bosses despite being only lv 50.

[moss257]

@Enzeru

Yeah Holy dance = GODLY
I prefer to always make my demons learn holy dance when they get a chance (Or something physical if it's on Atsuro's team)

Phys Drain is also GODLY! I mean come on!
I'm trying to beat... well... erm... final boss :D right now and I just CAN'T.
I need to make new demons... I STILL have king frost :O

[Redeemer]

I dislike the few boss battles as well. They totally ruin my experience when they come around; I'll be addicted to the game for awhile and then those huge roadblocks come around that require tons of Mitama grinding/fusing/level grinding if you don't have just the right build that the game wants you to have. It's obvious that you need to be a mage to survive the boss battles; why does the game even give you the freedom to create a physical hitter, like I (regrettably) did?

I, on the other hand, LOVED the boss battles... especially the ones where they throw the situation completely outta proportion. But that's just me :) . And I have to disagree about the phys. hitter part. I made my MC a phys. hitter and he did just fine. Killed every boss with the MC as a devoted phys. hitter (with some healing aid of course but still). I hate grinding too so I do what I always do in these situations... I look for certain loopholes or whatever like staying out of an immobile boss's attack range and then continuously sending my MC on a suicide mission...as Yuzu continues to revive (recarm) him over, and over again.

TBH, my physical hitter MC is amazing. I'm kinda disappointed that I keep hearing about how amazing a magic tank MC is.

MC's skills: dual shadow, pierce, phys repel, mighty hit (amazing :devil:) and rage soul = beast (but not quite magic tank beast, but hardcore enough. and i stuck with anger hit and marksman for the first few in-game days)

Yeah I just found this forum, so ima bit late to the discussion :)

[Rekkuso]

well thats good i mean i dont have a magic tank and im going to finish this game for the third, fourth time? and if it helps in something here are my MC skills:

Death Call, Maragidyne, Mazan, anti-all, attack all, victory cry and revive with this you are really good but its still a weak mc =D

[nbinney]

good lord, I'm stuck at Day 2 17:00.

I'm supposed to save the people at Tokyo Tower but the demons kill them so fast!

[CanuckGamer]

If you can make it to day 7 at level 50 and about 80k mecca without grinding, you can use metami fusion and get a couple demons to uber levels of stats which will help with finishing off the bosses despite being only lv 50.

*I'm sorry dave, I'm afraid you can't do that*
While fusing with metami does add 3 points to a stat. You can only do this a few times before it starts hurting your demon as well.
Once an unknown threshold is crossed; every time you try to fuse to get more stat points some will be taken off of another stat.
You may gain 3 mag, but it might cost you 1 vit and 2 speed.

[Enzeru]

I hate grinding too so I do what I always do in these situations... I look for certain loopholes or whatever like staying out of an immobile boss's attack range and then continuously sending my MC on a suicide mission...as Yuzu continues to revive (recarm) him over, and over again.
That's what I did to beat Jezebel, only with my whole party.

If you can make it to day 7 at level 50 and about 80k mecca without grinding, you can use metami fusion and get a couple demons to uber levels of stats which will help with finishing off the bosses despite being only lv 50.

*I'm sorry dave, I'm afraid you can't do that*
While fusing with metami does add 3 points to a stat. You can only do this a few times before it starts hurting your demon as well.
Once an unknown threshold is crossed; every time you try to fuse to get more stat points some will be taken off of another stat.
You may gain 3 mag, but it might cost you 1 vit and 2 speed.
At one point it stops altogether. I was maxing out my Python's MAG stat (Holy Dance), and it just stopped at 35...

[grrouchie]

I am really a newb when it comes to SRPGs (played tons of turn based, never really got into this genre) and I just got to the first boss battle in this game and it's ripping me a new one.

Going to have to grind a few levels and see if I have a chance then!!!

[nbinney]

I am really a newb when it comes to SRPGs (played tons of turn based, never really got into this genre) and I just got to the first boss battle in this game and it's ripping me a new one.

Going to have to grind a few levels and see if I have a chance then!!!

If you kill the smaller demons first, the boss will start to retreat.

[Syrione]

Only boss fight I found hard was Lucifer.

Corrections:

Pierce - 100% unless phys repel

Phys drain- is not godly it can be pierced

Holy dance- is somewhat godly

Drain + Dual Shadow- is broken except against Lucifer.

Physical is good for later bosses except 3rd form Lucifer.

[moss257]

So Lucifer is pretty much the biggest badass boss of them all?

(Tried to beat him with level 70 mc and 65 level ally characters and...
I got my ass handed to me on a silver platter.)

[DarkFuture]

So Lucifer is pretty much the biggest badass boss of them all?

(Tried to beat him with level 70 mc and 65 level ally characters and...
I got my ass handed to me on a silver platter.)
I'm not quite sure how to beat Lucifer...

My MC is level 85 with max Magic, 17 Strength/Agility, and 20-ish Vitality.
I gave him Drain, Holy Dance, and Diarahan for attacks.
Phys Repel, Fire Drain, Ice Drain for passives.
Blitzkrieg for auto.

I'm not even going to bother mentioning the demons I put in my MC's team since they get oblitered by Lucifer in one go.

If it wasn't for Lucifer's Megidolayne and Megidoloan then my MC could kill just by repelling physical attacks.

[Rekkuso]

hey men already beat him it isnt that hard if you attack him fast enough to make him bend down before his minions get to you and of course a lot of using megidoalon and mazan with all your characters will surely bring him down

[DarkFuture]

You say that all we have to do is attack him before the minions come in, but I don't care about the minions since they don't do anything to me. The problem lies in that he can obliterate all of my teams except my MC's in one shot. Also, only my MC's team seems to do any noticeable damage to him.

[OverGAR]

I can't defeat Jezebel (LOL) the one on Amane's mind D:

About the bosses they are hard sometimes even I who play and finish the megaten of NES D: found myself sometimes in troubles, but anyway comparing with other RPG from the DS. Devil Survivor is HARD i guess.

[Syrione]

hey men already beat him it isnt that hard if you attack him fast enough to make him bend down before his minions get to you and of course a lot of using megidoalon and mazan with all your characters will surely bring him down

Mazan does about <100 obviously haven't fought him.

And the proven way to stop him is to use the Recarm trick. On his third form. which goes somewhat like this.

Strategy spoilers

2 character groups both with 2 high magic (preferably 40) demons using Holy Dance and Drain should also be faster than the character. Character should have Recarm and a physical attack that can kill him/her.

Both should be near lucifer and move after each other.

Attack with holy dance/ drain if low on MP for the demons and use your phys attack on Lucifer whcih will reflect it to kill the character.

Use recarm on the next character to revive the dead guy (which will automatically act after the person nwho used recarm) attack rinse repeat.

[dclee85]

good lord, I'm stuck at Day 2 17:00.

I'm supposed to save the people at Tokyo Tower but the demons kill them so fast!

I'm in the same situation. Tried and failed about 3 times now, but I think I got it now. I attribute my initial suckiness at this game to my inexperience with SRPG's and the MegaTen series as a whole. :D

[DarkFuture]

good lord, I'm stuck at Day 2 17:00.

I'm supposed to save the people at Tokyo Tower but the demons kill them so fast!

I'm in the same situation. Tried and failed about 3 times now, but I think I got it now. I attribute my initial suckiness at this game to my inexperience with SRPG's and the MegaTen series as a whole. :D

Have you tried using Racial Skills like Charm/Devotion/Affection to heal the people from a distance?

[nbinney]

good lord, I'm stuck at Day 2 17:00.

I'm supposed to save the people at Tokyo Tower but the demons kill them so fast!

I'm in the same situation. Tried and failed about 3 times now, but I think I got it now. I attribute my initial suckiness at this game to my inexperience with SRPG's and the MegaTen series as a whole. :D

Have you tried using Racial Skills like Charm/Devotion/Affection to heal the people from a distance?


I have, unfortunatly, so has the Jack Frosts in the enemy party.

[Rekkuso]

hey men already beat him it isnt that hard if you attack him fast enough to make him bend down before his minions get to you and of course a lot of using megidoalon and mazan with all your characters will surely bring him down

Mazan does about <100 obviously haven't fought him.

And the proven way to stop him is to use the Recarm trick. On his third form. which goes somewhat like this.

Strategy spoilers

2 character groups both with 2 high magic (preferably 40) demons using Holy Dance and Drain should also be faster than the character. Character should have Recarm and a physical attack that can kill him/her.

Both should be near lucifer and move after each other.

Attack with holy dance/ drain if low on MP for the demons and use your phys attack on Lucifer whcih will reflect it to kill the character.

Use recarm on the next character to revive the dead guy (which will automatically act after the person nwho used recarm) attack rinse repeat.




Well actually all the attacks that i throw to him make about 286 each ad the mazan does about about 356 since i have made my team and MC strong enough and built their teams well enough with the correct demons and the right skills so you really cannot say that i havent fought him sine ive already beat him and have him occuping one demon slot and i can tell you how much life he has and how much mana he has, in his best form which is always since he is lvl 99 when you fuse him he has 999 hp and 556 mp of course if you manage to get him into a superior stat of 40 in vitality 40 in magic and 40 by having the correct passive skills that wil throw a result of increasing his stats in the right way plus when you fuse him you use metatron and loki, and its the only way you can get him, and there is a thread that i oppened a few days ago saying that i had troubles defeating him and made the aclaration that i've made all the teams lvl 99 it was a lot of work and it was the most boring thing but i managed to make every single demon and tamer lvl 99, and you say that the proven way of defeating him was the recarm trick, guess what i defeated him by simply getting close to him and have enough speed and tyrants so that i could attack 4 times before he calls his minions (1 w/each character) and having at least 1 on each team w prayer to avoid losing all the teams, so you really dont need that recarm crap, it can be useful since apparently you can defeat him, but no way to tell since i didnt do that sooo...

PS
dark future, if just your MC is makes damage and survive, i think that you should make some adjustments to your other teams, its the only thing that comes to my mind that you can do to avoid that situation =D

[DarkFuture]

good lord, I'm stuck at Day 2 17:00.

I'm supposed to save the people at Tokyo Tower but the demons kill them so fast!

I'm in the same situation. Tried and failed about 3 times now, but I think I got it now. I attribute my initial suckiness at this game to my inexperience with SRPG's and the MegaTen series as a whole. :D

Have you tried using Racial Skills like Charm/Devotion/Affection to heal the people from a distance?


I have, unfortunatly, so has the Jack Frosts in the enemy party.
Have you tried using demons that have either Evil Wave or Chaos Wave abilities?
Both extend the distance you can attack, but prevent Extra Turns.

If obstacles hindering your path towards the demons/people are the problem, use demons that have Phantasm or Flight.

[DarkFuture]

Yeah, my MC and his team can survive anything that Lucifer throws at them except a Megidolayne from Lucifer's 3rd form.

Though I do know one way my MC's team could solo the dang thing...
and that's if Lucifer's 2nd form uses 2 Hassohappas. Since my MC's entire team has phys reflect and a reflected Hassohappa takes out half of Lucifer's health, 2 reflects Hassohappas would kill him. It'd take pure luck for that to happen though...

[Syrione]

Well actually all the attacks that i throw to him make about 286 each ad the mazan does about about 356 since i have made my team and MC strong enough and built their teams well enough with the correct demons


Outright lie X_x Megidolaon with awakening, 40 magic and magic yin will only get you 500 damage max Mazan which isn't even a mazandyne will do less than 100 as he has an equivalent natural resistance of antiall+ phys repel + null mystic on his third form. I even experimented with a magic 40, fire jump fire rise + awakening you get you get 200+ with agidyne (a dyne spell). Dynes have twice the power of a normal elemental spell in this game. So a Mazan will only get you 100 with jump, rise and awakening 150 or so if you add magic yin.

Know what your saying.


you say that the proven way of defeating him was the recarm trick, guess what i defeated him by simply getting close to him and have enough speed and tyrants so that i could attack 4 times before he calls his minions (1 w/each character) and having at least 1 on each team w prayer to avoid losing all the teams, so you really dont need that recarm crap, it can be useful since apparently you can defeat him, but no way to tell since i didnt do that sooo...



The data can easily be seen in multiple FAQs and boards. Unless you cheated (using codes). That's another lie right there.

So many flaws there too:
Speed is dependent on the leader it cannot be changed. Exception is the bel activation which turns MC speed to 56.

Tyrants have Tyranny as skill so not much help in your argument.

4 times won't be enough to kill him even in the setup I suggested of holy dance and drain unless you actually get 5 everytime, dual shadow activation and on extra turns (which is a probability of 0.0081 (30* raise to the fourth) just from dual shadow activation not counting I have yet to actually see a five hit dance and I finished this game 4 times already and uses dances a lot.)

And note the turn order if will always be 4 characters then that boss. After you hit him the first time he summons monsters. When you kill his form it's his turn immediately after the one acting. So unless you really have a hidden Kishin you haven't said the probability of acting 4 times immediately without the minions actually moving is impossible.

Also I said PROVEN not only strategy.

Yeah, my MC and his team can survive anything that Lucifer throws at them except a Megidolayne from Lucifer's 3rd form.


Megidoladyne's damage is dependent on the time he uses it so it gets stronger and stronger. And he will start to use it second form onward every turn he gets. That's the reason why the recarm trick is used as well.


Though I do know one way my MC's team could solo the dang thing...
and that's if Lucifer's 2nd form uses 2 Hassohappas. Since my MC's entire team has phys reflect and a reflected Hassohappa takes out half of Lucifer's health, 2 reflects Hassohappas would kill him. It'd take pure luck for that to happen though...

You can't kill him before his third form. His third form has phys repel so it won't work on the third.

[DarkFuture]

So Megidoladyne's damage increases with every use of it...

Fortunately, I can take them without my entire team being annihilated until about the 5th one from his 3rd form.

If the 3rd form is the last one, that recarm trick would definitely be useful since he won't get his immediate turn to recover/changeform.

I've just been using my MC's team to hammer him with Holy Dances. Each hit from the Dance does about 150-175 damage.

[Rekkuso]

i just told you what i did, you can believe it or not, your choice, however i dont really use the dances since is random damage and thats the key RANDOM and i think i did a misspel by saying mazan, it was zandyne my fault, but you rally cant say that im lying just because you or maybe no one else has been able of doing doesnt mean that it isnt possible, the first time i fought him and the first time i lost to him i anihilated his first form in my first turn by having dual shadow and the tyranny since tyranny DELAYS the enemy turns, so he really cant hit that much and i only died the first time because his minions attacked long range to everyone and i dont have any long range demons since i really like the unique demons such as metatron, amaterasu cuc chulain kresnik, mikasuchi, bixhamon , zouchou, komoku and that actually are the demons in my team (this game, not the first time i fought that badass demon except cu Chulain) so they actually got anihilated because i used a lot of healing that made the characters run out of MP for more efficient attacks (specially cu chulain since he is the one with less mp), and after that i didn had enough MP to cast anything and guess what at the moment i run out of mp appears the third form, so what can i do since he reflects phys and i can only do phys, and the i started to take out the minions and you have already said that megidoalyne gets stronger every time he uses it, not enough mp no revive, no healing bam doomed, until i made only one in each team with a high mp to heal everyone and to attack until third form and guess what with the tyranny the minions turns are delayed which means that i can attack more times before those pests get near and that i can defeat lucifer before the slimes that attack with chaos wave get close enough to attac, and since i can beat one form in one turn guess what, four turns ( at least for me) are enough to kill him, and i didnt say that i could attack four times before lucifer attacked, i sayed that i could attack him 4 times before his minions move, 1 with each character and you have 4 characters whic means four attacks so really just keep your thinking to you, I told you the way i beated him, but just in my case it worked, like i said the recarm thing maybe useful, but i cant tell since i didnt do that, i just moved and attacked, just because that maybe not much people hasnt been able to do it the way i did it doesnt mean that it is a lie, it also has a lot to do whit the way you play the game, i base every team in one single element my MC usually force, -yuzu usually fire and atsuro electricity, and by using the correct skills in the correct time, i play in a very specific way which is kind of fire emblem strategy a lot of really boring things, and i have beaten this game five times so you cant say anything to me the only one that im missing is kaido since it really doesnt catch my attention but this time i will go his way, Oh you can also find lucifer in Atsuros ending =D

PS
two questions
1¿What i a kishin? since you said that i couldnt do the way i did unles i had one of those hiding

and

2¿What is a metami fusion? since i read that you use them a lost but ive git no idea of what the heck are they

Thanks

[Syrione]

PS
two questions
1¿What i a kishin? since you said that i couldnt do the way i did unles i had one of those hiding

and

2¿What is a metami fusion? since i read that you use them a lost but ive git no idea of what the heck are they

Thanks


This says a lot about you lol, and what you say is still impossible.

Kishin - racial skill is double up allows to attack twice in one turn

There is no metami fusion there is a mitama fusion which increase the stats of a demon fused using a mitama. It is also used to make skill inheritance faster.

By default
Ara mitama +3 strength
Saki mitama +3 vitality
Kusi Mitama +3 agility
Nigi Mitama +3 magic

You can also increase the level of the mitama's before fusion this way the give more bonus stats. (Note there is such a thing a a bonus stats cap in this game if you reach it the mitama's may end up subtracting from other stats.

[Alicesoap]

It's obvious that you need to be a mage to survive the boss battles; why does the game even give you the freedom to create a physical hitter, like I (regrettably) did?

From what I have been reading, that seems too be the case so I fear because I too created a physical hitter and now it seems that was a mistake. It is much easier to target a weakness rather than trying to guarantee a critical.

I am worried about the upcoming boss fights since now that I know I have gone the "wrong" route with my main.

i have to disagree with you. i haven't actually had much of a problem with any of the bosses and i'm halfway into day 7. if you have pierce and high strength you can hurt anything really badly, especially with deathbound, which rocks.

a lot of people complain about beldr but he really is quite simple to kill with double up(kishin demon racial).
belial is easy with a vile or a dragon as he can't use his automatic heal if you engage him from range, he died in three attacks from my main.
and i don't know whos coming up but i just whipped jezebel like she was nothing in two attack turns(one of mine and one of hers) on naoya's route. i sealed her with gigajama and she was forced to attack physically, since my demons were resistant and my main had phys repel she was completely useless against me.

[DarkFuture]

I haven't found any of the Bels difficult...

for Beldr, just let my MC go at him, taking out 1/4 of Beldr's health per Devil Fuge attack.
for Belial, Ice Jump + Ice Dance + Dual Shadow
for the others, high magic + Holy Dance + Dual Shadow

also, by 7th day, I made sure my MC's team was running demons with Holy Dance, Drain, Diarahan and at least had resistance, if not null or repel, to all attack types except almighty

[Rekkuso]

ok sorry for having just the demons that look cool and that are unique, i juusknew the part of the tyranny because i read itt in othr faq that sayed that having a lot of tyrants would make you attack faster, and the mitama i really dont use em because i see them in the auction and no skills ooo a loss of tme and yes i am a bit ignorant about the game since i just go playing the game and not goin lake an adict an make counts of probabilities in this game like u did, sorry to say it, but i do have a life so i am not the wisest guy about this game, the way to defeat lucifer that i used i got it n the first three days that the game was selling and this guy in other forum said that, and i did it and it worked for me well enough sooo thats it

[Iris]

sorry to say it, but i do have a life so i am not the wisest guy about this game

This may come as a shock, but it's possible to have a good understanding of a game's mechanics and still have a life.

Just sayin'.

[Rekkuso]

yes i know what i meant was that i play the game, know the basis of stratey and how the game works, but i dont go around calculating the odds of something happening and saying that they are too low to be possible, and btw even when the chances are very low it is still possible, it wont happen very often, but it can happen, that is what im saying about he way i did it

[Syrione]

ok sorry for having just the demons that look cool and that are unique, i juusknew the part of the tyranny because i read itt in othr faq that sayed that having a lot of tyrants would make you attack faster, and the mitama i really dont use em because i see them in the auction and no skills ooo a loss of tme and yes i am a bit ignorant about the game since i just go playing the game and not goin lake an adict an make counts of probabilities in this game like u did, sorry to say it, but i do have a life so i am not the wisest guy about this game, the way to defeat lucifer that i used i got it n the first three days that the game was selling and this guy in other forum said that, and i did it and it worked for me well enough sooo thats it

Just because I proved you wrong doesn't mean I'm a no lifer. You just can't back it up what you said. I hate to say this but your whining.

[Alicesoap]

ok i just finished the game and i have to admit the last battle(on naoya's route) is sick. the last boss himself is reasonable except you have to wade through a ton of crap to get to him. by the time i reached him my teams were pretty much wasted. so if you're on naoya's route make sure you have healers to back up the guy whos doing the fighting. i suggest a physical team with pierce. luckily i had two healers. had to reset twice to make sure the last boss killed the right team. he can pretty much decimate any team if you don't have the right resistances.

[Terash Cas]

Every other team except my MC was killed in the first form by the minion, killed everything after that with just the MC, Loki, and Shiva

[Rekkuso]

Dude you proved that you can defeat lucifer with the recarm trick, i give that to you, i also give you that i am not really that much of a wise about this game, you never proved that i was wrong, you proved that is very hard to do what i did, that's it nothing elseall you did was to give an easier way for the game, i congrat you about it you gave a short cut (in a certain way of speaking) it is easier than what i did but thats it nothing more

[Spacial User X]

I cant defeat freaking giant fly demon. His Spawn attack and Phys Drain made me give up. im levelling like crazy now... MC is at lvl 53. I hate how new party characters dont have magic and those Free Battle Decarabias and Vivians dont give much exp and good magic.

[Iris]

You realize you can assign skills you've already cracked to your new party members, right...?

[Spacial User X]

Yeah, but their status somethimes can get in the way. :/

Also, it would be sweet if more then one of my party members could have Holy Dance or Megido.

[boryumugo]

Spacial, im on it with you, bezoubel(fly) just spawns his minions on all my characters except MC (Immune?), and i noticed that if you last long enough, those spawns die...So i was wondering if the strategy to kill the fly is to... wait? I mean, those lesser demons can come at you, and since there are no turn limits, you can waste right?
Also, i learned that after you kill two of bezoubel's minions, he spawns maggots, so maybe if you hit bezoubel a few times before he spawn maggots, then kill those maggot and deal the final hit on bezoubel...though i'm not sure.

I did that for jezebel, just when at him with hariti and a cherbus(2 headed dog thingy w/ fire rpl) and killed him with healing aid from yuzu.

And the tower thingy, i used devil speed(afranc/waira) + phantansme/flight(moh sohyuu) and teleported to those ppl quickly.

Beldr was the fastest boss that i beat in SMTDS. devil's fuge just knocks him out.

Belial was easy, just distracted him with Asuoto and killed him with a chaos wave equipped MC.

I had to say, Azuma's battle actually took me a few tries, because one guy would just keep dying, so i had to use Switch a few times there.

The battle with the mob of demon tamers i kinda want to do it again, because there were so many skills to crack, but can do only so little. (got fire repel for the belial battle, it helped a lot.)