The Next SMT?

[Migz]

Has anyone heard what the next SMT game will be (besides Devil Survivor)?

[fmrli]

I don't think anything new has been announced for Japan.
In the USA it would be the Persona remake for the PSP.


But I sure do hope that SMT4 will be announced soon ... I was so disappointed by the latest SMT announcements ... the spinoffs are good games but I would have preferred a new real SMT :very_sad:

[Kenji]

It'd be fitting for the new-generation MegaTen to be a Shin Megami Tensei title, but until we get news, there's nothing we can really do but wait patiently. Considering how different Nocturne was from SMTII, we can't even properly speculate. :P

[AbsyntheDelacroix]

If there's a pattern here, SMT 4 will be out for the PS9, in 2043

[Tatsuya]

Well at this point it's best to wait for TGS, as atlus USA obviously wasn't going to announce anything, i wouldn't be surprised either way if there was a new SMT title announced.

[Zacewing]

Atlus Japan is supposedly working on a "high profile" Xbox 360 title, which could be SMT4.

[Digital Entourage]

Atlus Japan is supposedly working on a "high profile" Xbox 360 title, which could be SMT4.

mindless speculations. SMT would never be a 360 exclusive.
source?

[Yukichin]

Atlus Japan is supposedly working on a "high profile" Xbox 360 title, which could be SMT4.

mindless speculations. SMT would never be a 360 exclusive.
source?

And you know this... how? The development for games are really expensive these days, it's most prudent to go on both consoles, which I should think is likely.

[Digital Entourage]

Atlus Japan is supposedly working on a "high profile" Xbox 360 title, which could be SMT4.

mindless speculations. SMT would never be a 360 exclusive.
source?

And you know this... how? The development for games are really expensive these days, it's most prudent to go on both consoles, which I should think is likely.

[slayn]

SMT would never be a 360 exclusive.
source?

You're forgetting Microsoft's nearly bottomless pockets. And Sony's recent financial woes, which all but ensure they couldn't hope to match, let alone surpass, any offers MS made.

They haven't done that, of course (or if they have, they've kept it under amazingly tight wraps), but it's foolish to make a claim like yours.

[Digital Entourage]

SMT would never be a 360 exclusive.
source?

You're forgetting Microsoft's nearly bottomless pockets. And Sony's recent financial woes, which all but ensure they couldn't hope to match, let alone surpass, any offers MS made.

They haven't done that, of course (or if they have, they've kept it under amazingly tight wraps), but it's foolish to make a claim like yours.

The fact that you believe Sony is actually in any financial trouble is proof you have no clue what you are talking about. Sony is fine, and always has been. They have a ton of money. Not only are sony's stocks higher than Microsoft, they have been pumping out more games than the 360 has ever seen.

What happened to Mistwalker? they were developing a 360 exclusive jrpg called Cry On, which was canceled because the 360 is basically dead in japan.

This is SMT, this isn't final fantasy. No one is going to pay anything for a game that might push 200k sales. and because it is so important to clench JP sales, it will be PS3 or Wii. No question.

Add on the fact that all final fantasy games are EXCLUSIVE to the PS3 in Japan means that you're looking at even less reason to pick up the 360 there, it is literally dead in the water.

[Jonny The Pie King]

Hopefully something will come out of TGS (in september), but I don't know, it feels a little soon for them to really show anything (unless different dev teams for Persona/mainline SMT? I doubt it :p).

And yeah, no way this will be a 360 exclusive. On 360 as well? Perhaps. If it's on the Wii, they could port it fairly easily to the PS2, which is still doing pretty well for them.

The PS3 doesn't have very many JRPGs, especially not in the niche. The closest things things to Persona are Disgea 3 and Valkyria Chronicals, last I heard, neither did very well, and Disgea 3 was slammed for it's graphics...ugh.

The interesting thing to take into effect here is that while the Wii hasn't had very many jrpgs to date, they're starting to pile up. Arc Rise Fantasia looks fairly big, and they have two HUGE exclusives. Dragon Quest 10 (9 is on DS, it was announced that 10 would be on Wii...I will admit I am assuming exclusivity) and Monster Hunter 3. Plus there's that little game called Muramasa from Vanillaware that sold out it's first week (which caused lower sales for the month. Think it still did over 200k though).

I think Atlus would be smart to consider the Wii as a platform due to HUGE franchises being made exclusive to the platform (I mean, Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest are the number 1 and 2 RPG series in Japan, right?). Should maybe get the RPG audience for them in Japan at least. And yes, last resort, port to PS2...although by the time it comes out that might not be an option. Of course, all of this ignores the US market, which I don't think anybody with a Wii in the US seems to care about jrpg's. It is making a name for niche titles with Muramasa, No More Heroes, and Madworld.

Or they could port it to the PSP, which also has a big jrpg market with Monster Hunter in Japan...in the US it's a nightmare of piracy though (I have a friend who can only justify piracy on the PSP. Why? I don't know. A lot of people do it though :\)

Then there's the DS...we'll see Devil Suvivor sales. I doubt it'll get a mainline game, but, I also never thought it would get Dragon Quest 9.

[Kenji]

I won't say a MegaTen on the 360 is impossible, but it doesn't seem likely. The PS3 is more popular in Japan than the 360 and Atlus is a fairly Japanocentric company (with good reason: the majority of their profits). A Wii or PS3 release seems far more likely, due to their large install bases (MegaTen is not a mass console-mover like Final Fantasy). Since I doubt Atlus USA would do an American-exclusive port, that seems to be what we'll have.

Of course, there are always surprises.

I admit I am rather impatient for the next announcement, even though sense tells me that a couple-year break would allow me to properly digest the many MegaTen games I already have (y'know, the multiple endings, Tom and Gemini's fan translations, etc.). I guess I just like new things. :P

[Digital Entourage]

I had went and gathered a bunch of links and things for this post but my browser ended up crashing (on work pc.. beh.)

anyway, there are a lot of ps3 jrpgs coming out this year.
With,

Namco Bandai
NIS
Square Enix
Level 5
Koei

all making ps3 exclusive jrpgs, you best bet any hope the 360 had of being the definite jrpg platform was all but lost.

[slayn]

The fact that you believe Sony is actually in any financial trouble is proof you have no clue what you are talking about. Sony is fine, and always has been. They have a ton of money. Not only are sony's stocks higher than Microsoft, they have been pumping out more games than the 360 has ever seen.

First of all, I didn't say they were in financial trouble, I said they've had some recent financial woes. Which they have. Here's a news line from your favorite site. (http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=3611) I dont' know about you, but a $260 million loss in their gaming division in the fourth quarter of their 2008 fiscal year, and $1.72 billion loss overall during the same quarter (offsetting some profits they had made eariler in the FY), and a projected loss of $1.2 billion for the 2009 fiscal year sounds pretty rough.

Microsoft isn't doing a whole lot better, of course, but YTD they are showing a profit, albeit a small one.

And if you look at a list of released games, the 360 and PS3 are pretty even, so I don't even know what that last comment refers to. Maybe the Japanese PSN when compared to the American XBox Live Arcade? Who knows?

What happened to Mistwalker? they were developing a 360 exclusive jrpg called Cry On, which was canceled because the 360 is basically dead in japan.

Who knows why Cry On was canceled, but the 360 is not dead in Japan, it's doing pretty much exactly as well as Microsoft has predicted. It has always been an uphill battle for the 360 to make a foothold in Japan, but MS is in it for the long haul. Compare sales of the 360 to the original XBox in Japan; there has been definite progress, and MS getting timed exclusives for games like Tales of Vesperia are a big deal (everyone knew that the game would eventually make its way to the PS3).

I mean, hell, the PS3 has sold just under three million units in Japan, while the 360 has sold just under one million. If you consider that no one in their right mind would ever expect the 360 to actually beat out the PS3 in Japan, that's actually not a bad ratio for Microsoft. (Meanwhile, the 360 is ahead internationally by around eight million units.)


Now I'm not saying the next SMT game will be a 360-exclusive (timed or not). I'm not even saying it's likely, because I don't think it is. What I am saying is that it would be foolish to claim it will never happen because Microsoft has shown they are willing to take every reasonable step to help bolster 360 sales in Japan, and if their advisers can give enough supporting evidence that securing some sort of exclusivity for the next SMT game would help close that 3:1 gap, it'll probably happen.

[Digital Entourage]

The comments are based on the projected releases for the 360 this year and next, as well as 2010. There is basically nothing to look forward to on the 360 this year, or the one coming. If Microsoft really cared about closing the gap in japan, the 360 would have final fantasy 13 in japan. Simple as that. They have given up. They will continue to support it and get a few releases here and there, but you will not be seeing things like Tales of Vesperia in japan anymore for 360 timed, or not exclusivity. It simply is not beneficial in any way to the company. The Japanese hate change, and they'll be sticking with Sony for their HD needs. Sony is definitely experiencing some financial woes I suppose, but its nothing the company would not expect. During the current economic condition, I would not expect a company that has such a high price of entry to thrive, but would you not say they are doing fairly well? The 360 has a massive backing of casual games (read: halo fans, gears fans, frat boys, 13 year old gangster wannabe's) and that surely makes up over half of it's user base.. It has been seen, and proven, that any game that captivates all markets such as street fighter IV, devil may cry IV, and RE5 will sell better world wide on the PS3.

So what have we?

SMT, not PERSONA.

We have a low sales niche jrpg that relies heavily (about 80%) on its japanese sales. It is a game that will sell regardless of its graphical quality, so the console makes little to no difference in terms of a technical standpoint.

This is a Japanese made game, for Japanese fans, that has a small niche american audience. In order to capitalize on potential sales, it cannot be a 360 exclusive. It can be on it, just not exclusive. Microsoft has no reason to fund a game like this as there is no potential. after the complete failure of Tales of Vesperia and SO4 to sell well, I just cannot see it happening.

Again, White Knight Chronicles and Valkyria Chronicles are new ips, without a lot of advertising support that are outselling those two huge names.

Do you really believe Microsoft would be interested in SMT? with all the anger expressed by Tales fans, do you really feel they will buy into it again? Remember, the Japanese WANT to get games for their ps3, they do NOT want to purchase a 360, it is an American made console and they are highly against it for that reason alone.

I simply do not see any reason. With the games lineup for the ps3 completely obliterating the competition, along with drastically surpassing the 360s capabilities technically,(see uncharted 2, the last guardian, god of war III, GT5, MGS4) I really do not see any hope for the 360 in japan. While GT5 and TLG are the only games that will sell well in japan, these are pretty huge titles. infact, GT5P is still outselling every 360 game every week for the last like, year besides SO4 and Tales (and its outselling them now on a week to week basis) The legs on these games prove that the console is dead. the small group of fans willing to pick it up buy it, but the games just cannot float.


Fans of SMT in america, however, will purchase a ps3 to play the game. because WE are the outsiders. WE are those who pay extra for ports, re-releases and what not.



I guess, I'm trying to say that the while there was a small market potential with so4 and Tales of Vesperia, I just cannot see the system surviving without ff13. any jrpg fans who have held off in japan are going to be getting the ps3. Do you agree with this? or do you feel that a game which has sold almost 2million in the first few weeks in japan is a far greater deal than so4/tales. If MS wasn't willing to lay the cash for this, it's proof they are not as dedicated to japan as one may think they are.


Port to 360? american release only? sure.
exclusive? absolutely no way.
if it's going HD, it's going ps3.

[slayn]

The comments are based on the projected releases for the 360 this year and next, as well as 2010. There is basically nothing to look forward to on the 360 this year, or the one coming.

There's actually quite a bit coming out on the 360 I'm looking forward to. Not a lot from Japan, admittedly, but I have my PS3 for that ;).

[Digital Entourage]

The comments are based on the projected releases for the 360 this year and next, as well as 2010. There is basically nothing to look forward to on the 360 this year, or the one coming.

There's actually quite a bit coming out on the 360 I'm looking forward to. Not a lot from Japan, admittedly, but I have my PS3 for that ;).

I honestly wish there was more period.. the only game I want is Alan wake.
but i suppose the lineup isnt horrible if you like shooters

[slayn]

Well I like Western RPGs as well. I'm drooling in anticipation for the next Fallout game.

[Digital Entourage]

Well I like Western RPGs as well. I'm drooling in anticipation for the next Fallout game.

oh so do I, have fallout 3 on my pc. The dlc was all pretty bad though, like 4/10 bad. The new one looks good though, Point lookout. Dragon age also looks okay.


I hope the next gen smt games have dlc. would be awesome.

[Zacewing]

Atlus Japan is supposedly working on a "high profile" Xbox 360 title, which could be SMT4.

mindless speculations. SMT would never be a 360 exclusive.
source?

I can't find it now, but I read an article a long time ago (I think last fall?) that Atlus was developing a high profile Xbox 360 RPG.

Also, there are going to be RPG's coming out for the PS3, but the quality of those RPG's are questionable.

The Xbox 360 has lots of quality JRPG's. Most JRPG's on the PS3 suck.

And look at salwes numbers before you call games like Vesperia and SO4 failures. Vesperia caused Xbox 360's to sell out all across Japan for the first time since the console's launch.

[Digital Entourage]

Atlus Japan is supposedly working on a "high profile" Xbox 360 title, which could be SMT4.

mindless speculations. SMT would never be a 360 exclusive.
source?

I can't find it now, but I read an article a long time ago (I think last fall?) that Atlus was developing a high profile Xbox 360 RPG.

Also, there are going to be RPG's coming out for the PS3, but the quality of those RPG's are questionable.

The Xbox 360 has lots of quality JRPG's. Most JRPG's on the PS3 suck.

And look at salwes numbers before you call games like Vesperia and SO4 failures. Vesperia caused Xbox 360's to sell out all across Japan for the first time since the console's launch.

What do you mean?
Do you think
Valkyria Chronicles, Demon Soul's, White Knight Chronicles, Cross Edge, Disgaea 3, FF13 and FF13 versus are not quality rpgs?

SO4 was really bad.
Tales of vesperia superior version will be ps3, and all tales games from now on will be ps3 exclusive.

I call them failures because even with huge names they fail to outsell the new ips from the ps3.

[Olethros]

all tales games from now on will be ps3 exclusive.



Do we know this for sure? Maybe I missed some news somewhere (entirely possible) but this is the first I'm hearing of this.

[Kakizaki]

I'm having a case of deja vu with this thread.

[Digital Entourage]

all tales games from now on will be ps3 exclusive.



Do we know this for sure? Maybe I missed some news somewhere (entirely possible) but this is the first I'm hearing of this.

its not ALL tales games, just all hd tales games. During namco bandai's last conference they showed a chart showing their planes for the tales series, it had ds-->ds/dsi
psp-->psp
wii-->wii/wiiware
xb360-->ps3

they discussed how the expectations they had for tales of vesperia were not even close to met, and that they failed to captivate the Japanese market with the 360.

I don't have the source, but it was on kotaku. as well as a live stream from gamespot.

[Crabman]

Tales of Graces, the next mainline Tales game, is coming for Wii.

I still have a #### ton of these games to go through (DS2, DDS, Nocturne), so I'm good for the next little while. Plus it saves me more time to save up for a PS3 :)

Also do note that plans change. Consider this: there were rumblings that Persona 3 was initially supposed to be on PSP and we know how that turned out. Since last word of the next-gen SMT was in 2005, I wouldn't hold too much stock in it. Be safer just to wait than to argue for no real reason at all.

[Digital Entourage]

Tales of Graces, the next mainline Tales game, is coming for Wii.

I still have a #### ton of these games to go through (DS2, DDS, Nocturne), so I'm good for the next little while. Plus it saves me more time to save up for a PS3 :)

Also do note that plans change. Consider this: there were rumblings that Persona 3 was initially supposed to be on PSP and we know how that turned out. Since last word of the next-gen SMT was in 2005, I wouldn't hold too much stock in it. Be safer just to wait than to argue for no real reason at all.

absolutely, we're all MegaTen fans so let's just cool it.
As for the Tales games, i meant the next HD tales game. Wii is SD.
I need to play Nocturne too. I can't find it for a good price in Canada. I am going to end up spending almost 150$.

I'm new to the forums, sucks to start bickering, just felt it was a great way to get my post count up, tbh ;)

[dungeon_man]

We just had Persona 4 and Devil Summoner 2, and we're getting Devil Survivor and Persona (remake) within the next few months. I think we're doing rather well on SMT games.

However, I'm a geek who can't wait to see what's next, so I'll toss everything I can recall into the ring:

PS3 SMT - Even if the announcement was a mis-translation, Kazuma Kaneko said it's a likely target for future SMT games.

Wii SMT - Kaneko also expressed interest in doing a first-person SMT on the Wii that uses the remote for looking around and interacting with the environment.

Jack Bros Wii - A rumor that's bounced around a few times now. Might make a nice bridge between the RPG crowd and the casual crowd.

SMT DS - I don't believe Devil Survivor was the SMT game that was originally considered for the DS. I think Atlus was originally thinking of making a first-person SMT using the engine that eventually wound up in Etrian Odyssey. The SMT game using this engine either evolved into EO or was put on hold for EO. If it's the latter, this game may yet come.

Devil Survivor 2 (DS) - I'm totally making this one up. SMT spinoff games tend to come in twos, and games that sell well tend to get sequels. I expect to see another SMT SRPG using the Devil Survivor engine, but not necessarily a direct sequel or even named Devil Survivor.

SMT 360 - I'm expecting an MMO, not a main series game, if those rumors are true. I also wouldn't be surprised if the game was console-shifted or abandoned when JRPG sales figures on the 360 started coming out.

If even half of these come to light, I'll be happy for quite some time.

[slayn]

What do you mean?
Do you think
Valkyria Chronicles, Demon Soul's, White Knight Chronicles, Cross Edge, Disgaea 3, FF13 and FF13 versus are not quality rpgs?

Ok, in order of listing.

Absolutely a quality game, too bad no one bought the damn thing.

Very, very niche, therefore does not have the mainstream appeal needed to make a blockbuster.

By all (reputable) accounts, a slightly above-average RPG that owes it's success to a dearth of RPGs (this happens pretty much every generation).

As far as these sorts of games go, it's alright. When compared to pretty much everything else in this list, it is laughable.

Disgaea games are not good. I say this as a fan of the series. They fill a very particular niche, and do so very well, but they are not good games.

This will not be a good game. It will still sell millions of copies. High sales != quality.

See above.

[Zenieth]

Slayn though I agree with you on every single one of your analysis I must disagree with at leas ff13 (not v) I believe that the release of the three 13's will show that only the main stream one despite being the least anticipated of the group will porve to be the best over all in both story and gameplay, I feel aprehension when it comes to versus and agito so you may hold valid points with those.

[slayn]

Square has not made a good main-series FF game in over a decade, though FFXII made some strides to return the series to quality. Then Square fired the guy in charge of the game. GG, Square, GG.

[Digital Entourage]

What do you mean?
Do you think
Valkyria Chronicles, Demon Soul's, White Knight Chronicles, Cross Edge, Disgaea 3, FF13 and FF13 versus are not quality rpgs?

Ok, in order of listing.

Absolutely a quality game, too bad no one bought the damn thing.

Very, very niche, therefore does not have the mainstream appeal needed to make a blockbuster.

By all (reputable) accounts, a slightly above-average RPG that owes it's success to a dearth of RPGs (this happens pretty much every generation).

As far as these sorts of games go, it's alright. When compared to pretty much everything else in this list, it is laughable.

Disgaea games are not good. I say this as a fan of the series. They fill a very particular niche, and do so very well, but they are not good games.

This will not be a good game. It will still sell millions of copies. High sales != quality.

See above.

I dunno about the sales of the others, but Valkyria Chronicles outsolde SO4 and Tales of Vesperia.

I think the FF13 collection will be really good. We really don't know yet do we?

[slayn]

As you have been so quick to point out on several occasions, the "definitive" version of ToV has not been released yet, so it's sales will almost certainly go up a fair amount.

Regardless, for how absolutely beautiful the game is, Valkyria Chronicles has sold like crap. It is absolutely mind-boggling that such a great game can't even sell a tenth of what the next Final Fantasy will most likely sell.

[Zenieth]

You know Valkyria is SE's product right?

[Slarth]

hello, i'm new here but with regards to Valkyria Chronicles Sega (http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2009/06/08/valkyria-fans-we-love-you/) seem to be happy enough. Just shy of 500k (http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=18897&region=All) in December 08, not taking into account all the months after that inc. April. It's sold pretty well i'd say :)

As for the next SMT it'll be on the PS3, 360 as well if they go multi-plat but either way it'll hit the PS3 sooner or later :)

[DamageCity]

This thread hurts my head.


Oh, a rhyme!

[System_Error]

You know Valkyria is SE's product right?

Uh what? No. Try Sega.

[cj iwakura]

I expect(and hope) with Kaneko free from DS2, the team is dedicated to SMT IV now.

Probably on the PS3 from my guess, but who knows?

[Foobar]

edit - I'm growing pretty tired of your antics. They remind me of a very basic poster from the past. Knock it off. - Kakizaki

[slayn]

Yes I have never played any of those games despite owning and completing half of them (the half that are out, of course). Furthermore, I simply could not have read multiple reviews for the one game that's out in Japan but not here and saw what the general consensus was. And finally, I have absolutely not been playing RPGs for fifteen or so years, something that would more than likely have given me the insight to make a fair assessment of the likely quality of the ones that haven't been released based on the nature of both previous games in the series and developed by that company.

Yep, not a single one of those things is true so you totally nailed me, brosef.

[Digital Entourage]

Nah, these forums are pretty great. there are some pretty well put opinions here, I really hope to see what the results are when the game comes out. I absolutely agree with you though slayn. Valkyria Chronicles doesn't make sense. I've also been playing rpgs for about 15 years, so when I see something like this come here, and I experience it, understand and see how great it is, I WISH I could not understand why it doesn't sell so well, but I do. It's all about the brand name. Crisis Core is a perfect example of this. Technical marvel, but an absolutely horrible game. It has no merits whatsoever besides it's graphics and music. (both of which are very good..) But it's a butcher of a story. People excuse it on them being japanese, but it's quiet obvious that once square realized how much money they could make without putting a special polish on their games they simply stopped. That's what makes these new ips and stuff like SMT so good.I know my hopes will be shattered with 13 and versus, but I just have some eerie feeling that they will be fantastic. 12 was actually one of my favorite final fantasies, so I guess I have no say. The critics and most fans call it crap, but I have never once seen a 3d final fantasy with such attention to detail, compelling story, absolutely breathtaking visuals, interesting and novel characters (Balthier, Fran, Basch, heck even Ashe.) had an interesting battle system that I still feel worked very well, awesome gambit system.. license board was such a cool system.. EVERYTHING about that game was fresh and interesting. Also has the best voice acting I've ever experienced in any console game. as well as a translation that is almost perfect.

[Foobar]

edit - I'm growing pretty tired of your antics. They remind me of a very basic poster from the past. Knock it off. - Kakizaki

If singling out a user is bad, then just say so. If you're going to make an example, at least do so for the benefit of the whole so they know the rules. Otherwise, you're just singling out and censoring people, which doesn't help set much of an example at all.

Heck, sending a friendly PM citing forum rules to make it clear to the user they're behaving out-of-line is usually all it takes.

I've actually seen you steer discussions away from company-bashing in the past, where was that in this topic? I actually respected that.

As for "antics." If having an opinion in that "Persona Good and Bad" topic is "antics," I suppose were up to our ears in shenanigans from everyone and the whole forum is going to hell in a handbasket.

Except its not, so let's all calm down.

I'll explain my reasoning for last night.

Square has not made a good main-series FF game in over a decade, though FFXII made some strides to return the series to quality. Then Square fired the guy in charge of the game. GG, Square, GG.

I didn't hit on this last night because I was tired from work, but it irked me and I just went with the knee-jerk/jerk response. Happens to us all from time to time.

Anyway, the FFXII comment contained factual errors.

Matsuno was not fired, he was having medical problems, he cited these and chose to depart from the project and SE to recove. The illness was taking a toll on the project and his job, so he left by choice. He's since gotten back into the storywriting side of gaming, as he penned the story for Madworld most recently.

If you're a fan of the guy, follow his work and enjoy the work he's inspired, don't use his departure as an excuse to rail on a company you don't like just for the sake of not liking them.

Its OK to not like something, but I think one should at least have their facts straight and have actual reasons for their statements. Other than pounding on how long you've been gaming.

I actually think FFXII is the direction the series should keep going in. I've grown tired of Kitase's emo kids. Not that the guy doesn't have his moments, but I liked the maturity and political undercurrents of FFXII. Even the team that pens the FFXI stories lean more in that direction.

I've been on that one for five years and can find plenty of past faults, despite my appreciation for FFXI, by the way. I'm a Beastmaster and a Ranger, they screwed those jobs hard at particular points of my time playing. SE fixed them since then, but they're still sore spots and I don't think they were addressed quickly enough.

But then, they made is so I could play more than just Beastmaster and Ranger anyway, so its not like I was stuck with them. Scholar and Corsair are fun, too.

Anyway, bringing this all back to SMT:

The SMT series has become a favorite of mine over the last few years, but I don't like it at the expense of other RPG experiences. I don't need to apply some contrived definition of quality to everything I play. Different games have different merits and I usually take them case-by-case.

As others have said, SMTIV has been in the works for quite some time, still hovering under the radar. This year's TGS may be the time for it to emerge. Given all the assets from Nocturne were used for future games, I think its only logical that SMT IV's assets would be the cornerstone for PS3 spin-off

[Aizuku]

Atlus is working on SMT4 for PS3, and there were some rumors about an Atlus project for X360, so it is safe to assume that SMT4 might end up for both PS3 and X360.

The real question is when?

Both Sony and Microsoft are targeting a 10-year cycle, the X360 will get a new SKU (Natal bundle) and will be probably slimmed down next year, a PS3 slim is also in the works and is set for late this year.

This gen has to be the slowest and least rewarding.

[Kakizaki]

As for "antics." If having an opinion in that "Persona Good and Bad" topic is "antics," I suppose were up to our ears in shenanigans from everyone and the whole forum is going to hell in a handbasket.No. The antics I am referring to are excessive snide remarks and continually ignoring pertinent comments that others have made.

Enough said.

I'll explain my reasoning for last night.You should have just done this in the first place.

If singling out a user is bad, then just say so. If you're going to make an example, at least do so for the benefit of the whole so they know the rules. Otherwise, you're just singling out and censoring people, which doesn't help set much of an example at all.I've gone the PM route in the past (for the record you have no idea that I still don't for the most part), users also seem to get pretty snippy with that tactic as well. While I appreciate the suggestions, worry about yourself.

Just concentrate on eliminating the continual snide comments and you won't have to fret about being "singled out".

[Rednusander]

Foobar, if you have any further responses to Kaki's comments, I trust you have the maturity to take your own advice and continue it via PM. This thread is already dangerously derailed.

[Evilkinggumby]

Ok now that the admins have publicly fubar'd foobar and tried to steer the topic back on course.. I have a question.

Wherein I have not played the regular SMT games(damn me cause I wanted to back when a few hit the ps2 and I didn't realize it'd get so hard to find now) I was curious if they ever used a system similar to the Ps1 series Arc The Lad, where when you play the sequel the game scans previous save games from the predecessor and uses that data to tweak and change stuff in the current game? With memory and storage not as much a concern for console games nowadays, I'd love to see them start implementing something like that in next gen games. Heck even if it was just to casually mention previous events or have it effect the story a bit(stats and summons added is nice, but not always realistic). Or if it required a save game that has the "completion" flag on it proving the old game was finished. :)

[Iris]

The main series hasn't done it, but Devil Summoner and Digital Devil Saga have made use of clear data, and IIRC Persona 2 did in the Japanese release.

[AuthenticM]

Shin Megami Tensei has already been announced way back in 2005, for the PS3.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/shinmegamitensei/news.html?sid=6132696
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/648/648527p1.html

It's been nearly four years since that announcement, so the platform could have changed since then. I still hope it's coming to the PS3 though.

[ProudClod]

Shin Megami Tensei has already been announced way back in 2005, for the PS3.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/shinmegamitensei/news.html?sid=6132696
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/648/648527p1.html

It's been nearly four years since that announcement, so the platform could have changed since then. I still hope it's coming to the PS3 though.

As far as I remember, that "announcement" came from a mistranslation of Famitsu. I really hope it comes to the PS3, and it seems like the most realistic option, but I'd buy a 360/wii in an INSTANT if the next SMT was on those consoles.

[Zacewing]

Atlus Japan is supposedly working on a "high profile" Xbox 360 title, which could be SMT4.

mindless speculations. SMT would never be a 360 exclusive.
source?

I can't find it now, but I read an article a long time ago (I think last fall?) that Atlus was developing a high profile Xbox 360 RPG.

Also, there are going to be RPG's coming out for the PS3, but the quality of those RPG's are questionable.

The Xbox 360 has lots of quality JRPG's. Most JRPG's on the PS3 suck.

And look at salwes numbers before you call games like Vesperia and SO4 failures. Vesperia caused Xbox 360's to sell out all across Japan for the first time since the console's launch.

SO4 was really bad.
Tales of vesperia superior version will be ps3, and all tales games from now on will be ps3 exclusive.

I call them failures because even with huge names they fail to outsell the new ips from the ps3.

SO4 was better than SO3.

And again, jumping to conclusions. Who the #### said Tales was going to be PS3 exclusive? They just said that they weren't going to make another 360 Tales anytime soon.

And White Knight Chronicles is supposedly generic and boring. Cross Edge is supposedly awful as well. Can't say much on FF13 Versus, cause we have next to nothing in terms of gameplay content. I've heard Disgaea 3 was alright, but it recycles a lot of stuff from the first two games and the gameplay/graphics is pretty much exactly the same as D1/D2. Valkyria Chronicles is supposedly really good, and FF13 is looking amazing, though.

I'm not saying a PS3 SMT isn't likely, I'm just saying not to rule out the possibility of it being on the 360.

That being said, though, I'd buy a PS3 in an instant if SMT4 was on PS3.

[slayn]

I'm not saying a PS3 SMT isn't likely, I'm just saying not to rule out the possibility of it being on the 360.

I've made this argument and have been largely ignored. You should save yourself the effort :).

[Haderach]

Persona 5 -> Xbox 360

[Cu Murasame]

What are the chances of a game similar to the first two SMTs? I mean it would either go very well or very badly...

[Son1x]

Atlus Japan is supposedly working on a "high profile" Xbox 360 title, which could be SMT4.

mindless speculations. SMT would never be a 360 exclusive.
source?

I can't find it now, but I read an article a long time ago (I think last fall?) that Atlus was developing a high profile Xbox 360 RPG.

Also, there are going to be RPG's coming out for the PS3, but the quality of those RPG's are questionable.

The Xbox 360 has lots of quality JRPG's. Most JRPG's on the PS3 suck.

And look at salwes numbers before you call games like Vesperia and SO4 failures. Vesperia caused Xbox 360's to sell out all across Japan for the first time since the console's launch.

SO4 was really bad.
Tales of vesperia superior version will be ps3, and all tales games from now on will be ps3 exclusive.

I call them failures because even with huge names they fail to outsell the new ips from the ps3.

Um... Tales of Graces PS3 confirmed?

[PainKilleR-[CE]]

Cross Edge is supposedly awful as well. [...]
I've heard Disgaea 3 was alright, but it recycles a lot of stuff from the first two games and the gameplay/graphics is pretty much exactly the same as D1/D2.

Let's put it this way:

Cross Edge is not awful, but I can't really say much more than that about it. I wouldn't tell anyone to go out and buy it, but I wouldn't stop someone from buying it, either.

Disgaea 3 is what the title says it is. The gameplay is as much a change from Disgaea 2 as Disgaea 2 was from Disgaea. Anyone that says the graphics are the same is either ignorant or just has that permanent fog some people get in their minds about how bad the graphics really are on the PS2. NIS didn't take a massive leap forward in the graphics on Disgaea 3, but there are many things they did with the battles in the game that couldn't be done in Disgaea 1 & 2. Of course, I don't think people have to worry too much, as Disgaea 3 will most likely still be available when they get a PS3.

From what I've seen, the PS3 has more RPGs slated for release than the 360 for the next year or so. Both systems have gotten some decent games, but let's face it, the best RPGs have still been coming to the PS2 and the DS, as they have been more or less since those systems came out. Sony did a good job getting developers to transition from the PS1 to the PS2, but MS and Nintendo have done a lot to pretty well muddy the waters this generation, and no one seems particularly sold on any of the three consoles as a commitment for the rest of their current-gen releases. Further, the 360 and PS3 have stayed expensive at a time when few people can afford multiple consoles, and the Wii has won the hardware market share arguments largely without a catalog to even rival the GameCube.

I have a Wii, 360, and PS3. I have a very small handful of games for each, and none of them are anything I would point to as a reason to buy the system.

[Deidara]

No one knows... On Gamefaqs.com there is a SMT PS3 since 2007... and I remember well the period: ATLUS announced a SMT in development on PS3, but it didn' t show anything... Was it a fake?

However some of you have spoken about a SMT xbox360 exclusive... Excuse me... :question:... but is SMT a very Japanese serie????? And... has xbox360 success in Japan???? The answer is "no!". A SMT 360 exclusive is senseless! Maybe we' ll have a SMT 4 multi, but I think IMPOSSIBLE a SMT only 360!!! Then, I think:
-SMT fans are on PS3 now
-PS3 is more popular than 360 in Japan
-Microsoft doesn' t give importance to these "little games"; it cares only for having FF, MGS, DMC, RE... It doesn' t care for a "simple" SMT so it won' t buy SMT series

These are only my ideas, but I think they are quite sensible

PS: My English isn' t perfect, I know... ^^ but I' m Italian...

[Foobar]

Even with things the way they are, I don't see Atlus making a multi-platform SMT main series release seeing as they've yet to do that with Persona 3 or 4, which are arguably the more mainstream titles in the SMT universe.

A game like SMT4 would honestly go to waste on the 360 audience. They have little appreciation for JRPGs to start with and most of the time those types of games aren't even on thier radar.

[Deidara]

Persona 5 -> Xbox 360

Eh? :confused:

[Zacewing]

Square has not made a good main-series FF game in over a decade, though FFXII made some strides to return the series to quality. Then Square fired the guy in charge of the game. GG, Square, GG.

FF12 was an awful game and an abomination to the FF series.

If I could time travel I'd prevent the game from ever being conceived. :(

[Emilio Morales]

Persona 5 -> Xbox 360

I don't think any Megaten game would be a Xbox360 exclusive. I'm hoping for a PS3 release of Shin Megami Tensei 4 but I think there's a high probability that there will be a Megaten game for the Wii soon enough.

I don't care in which console they're developing the next game, I'll buy it anyway! Even if I don't own the console. :lol:

[Deidara]

Persona 5 -> Xbox 360

I don't think any Megaten game would be a Xbox360 exclusive. I'm hoping for a PS3 release of Shin Megami Tensei 4 but I think there's a high probability that there will be a Megaten game for the Wii soon enough.

I don't care in which console they're developing the next game, I'll buy it anyway! Even if I don't own the console. :lol:

It' s a stupid way of thinking! It' s because of people like you that software houses don' t care about us... If we stress our voice about WHERE we want our game (SMT on PS3 in this case!) they' ll put more attention in fans' demand. If we act like you they treat us like stupid pawns.

It isn' t a personal attack to you. I want only to make you aware of your error...

[Iris]

Well, most of the games that have caught my attention so far for next gen systems are multiplatform anyway, so I don't think it's such a bad thing to say I'll follow Megaten to whichever system it hits. It genuinely makes little difference to me.

[Emilio Morales]

Persona 5 -> Xbox 360

I don't think any Megaten game would be a Xbox360 exclusive. I'm hoping for a PS3 release of Shin Megami Tensei 4 but I think there's a high probability that there will be a Megaten game for the Wii soon enough.

I don't care in which console they're developing the next game, I'll buy it anyway! Even if I don't own the console. :lol:

It' s a stupid way of thinking! It' s because of people like you that software houses don' t care about us... If we stress our voice about WHERE we want our game (SMT on PS3 in this case!) they' ll put more attention in fans' demand. If we act like you they treat us like stupid pawns.

It isn' t a personal attack to you. I want only to make you aware of your error...

Ok, thanks for letting me know my big error in here. ;) But what I meant is that I would do that because I really like the franchise and I want to keep supporting Atlus with these games. It's not like I would run to buy the console just to play a single game (heck, I can barely buy the game! I can't see myself buying a new console O.o), if I happen to have the console, then good for me, I'll be able to play the game I want to purchase, but if not, Ok I can ask someone to borrow me a specific console to play that game. For example, I was happy to know that Persona was going to ported to the PSP, but by the time Atlus announced that, I didn't own a PSP but I wanted to buy it for my collection. But a couple of months later I received a PSP as a birthday present, which turned me happy that I was going to be able to play that game.

I'm happy with collecting the game (in the case I can't play it on a console which I don't own).

But anyway, thanks for letting me know that. ;)

[ProudClod]

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few more SMTs on the DS. The install base for that machine is simply too huge to pass up.

[Yukichin]

Persona 5 -> Xbox 360

I don't think any Megaten game would be a Xbox360 exclusive. I'm hoping for a PS3 release of Shin Megami Tensei 4 but I think there's a high probability that there will be a Megaten game for the Wii soon enough.

I don't care in which console they're developing the next game, I'll buy it anyway! Even if I don't own the console. :lol:

It' s a stupid way of thinking! It' s because of people like you that software houses don' t care about us... If we stress our voice about WHERE we want our game (SMT on PS3 in this case!) they' ll put more attention in fans' demand. If we act like you they treat us like stupid pawns.


Er... I highly doubt that. Companies, first and foremost, are after money. It's most cost-effective to put games on both the 360 and the PS3 due to the economy currently, and companies will stick with the console they think will sell better, or they're more comfortable working with. For instance, the company Valve refuses to put Left 4 Dead on the PS3 because they are uncomfortable with programming for it.

Yes, fan demand can help to bring a game over to another console, but there are times where that will not help. If a game company decides to make a game for a console, it's possible they'll change their mind and make it for two consoles instead of just one, but fan demand can't always help.

[Deidara]

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few more SMTs on the DS. The install base for that machine is simply too huge to pass up.

Yes, I know Wii and DS are the most saled, but they' re also the less-played console (it isn' t a very clean sentence, I know) because of piracy and because their owner are often casual gamers (often, but not always!)

Persona 5 -> Xbox 360

I don't think any Megaten game would be a Xbox360 exclusive. I'm hoping for a PS3 release of Shin Megami Tensei 4 but I think there's a high probability that there will be a Megaten game for the Wii soon enough.

I don't care in which console they're developing the next game, I'll buy it anyway! Even if I don't own the console. :lol:

It' s a stupid way of thinking! It' s because of people like you that software houses don' t care about us... If we stress our voice about WHERE we want our game (SMT on PS3 in this case!) they' ll put more attention in fans' demand. If we act like you they treat us like stupid pawns.

It isn' t a personal attack to you. I want only to make you aware of your error...

Ok, thanks for letting me know my big error in here. ;) But what I meant is that I would do that because I really like the franchise and I want to keep supporting Atlus with these games. It's not like I would run to buy the console just to play a single game (heck, I can barely buy the game! I can't see myself buying a new console O.o), if I happen to have the console, then good for me, I'll be able to play the game I want to purchase, but if not, Ok I can ask someone to borrow me a specific console to play that game. For example, I was happy to know that Persona was going to ported to the PSP, but by the time Atlus announced that, I didn't own a PSP but I wanted to buy it for my collection. But a couple of months later I received a PSP as a birthday present, which turned me happy that I was going to be able to play that game.

I'm happy with collecting the game (in the case I can't play it on a console which I don't own).

But anyway, thanks for letting me know that. ;)

Oh, so I' ve misunderstood... sorry ;)

In this case I think like you...

[Zacewing]

I've heard the PS3 is a bitch to develop for, too, and it costs more money to develop for, which dampens the chances of SMT being on the PS3.

[Deidara]

I've heard the PS3 is a bitch to develop for, too, and it costs more money to develop for, which dampens the chances of SMT being on the PS3.

Yeah, I take your point, but the elevate costs are compensated from the major success it could have on PS3 rather than 360 or Wii... because:
-I' ve never looked at 360 gamer as JRPG fans... yeah, they play BD and LO, but because of Sakaguchi' s name... they only know him and his Final fantasy. They don' t semm to care about a SMT...
-PS3 is more popular in Japan (where SMT has got its bigger number of fans)
-Wii is on the top of all the classifications, but its gamer are (al least 50%) only CASUAL gamers who don' t know a serie like this...

I say this also (only? XD) because I' ve got "only" PS3, PS2, PSP and DS... I have no intention of buying other consoles... no 360!!! ... no Wii!!! :)

[dungeon_man]

Even if 50% of Wii gamers only play casual games, you still have a potentially larger audience for serious games on the Wii than on the other consoles.

Sakura Wars, Dragon Quest X, Phantom Brave, and Tales of Graces are coming to the Wii. Some of these games are from RPG developers who tested the waters on other systems and didn't have the success they wanted.

Atlus (the developer) is going to release their third Wii game early next year. They have not yet released any games for the PS3 or Xbox 360.

I would not be surprised if the next console SMT came out for the Wii instead of the PS3 or Xbox360, nor would I be disappointed. I don't think it can be taken for granted that the next SMT will be on a high-def console.

[Deidara]

Even if 50% of Wii gamers only play casual games, you still have a potentially larger audience for serious games on the Wii than on the other consoles.

Sakura Wars, Dragon Quest X, Phantom Brave, and Tales of Graces are coming to the Wii. Some of these games are from RPG developers who tested the waters on other systems and didn't have the success they wanted.

Atlus (the developer) is going to release their third Wii game early next year. They have not yet released any games for the PS3 or Xbox 360.

I would not be surprised if the next console SMT came out for the Wii instead of the PS3 or Xbox360, nor would I be disappointed. I don't think it can be taken for granted that the next SMT will be on a high-def console.

:) Atlus itself announced that its next Persona will be on one (or two) of HD consoles ;)

[Cinder6]

So long as it's not on a portable or a cell phone, I don't care much where the game goes. While I'm really enjoying Devil Survivor right now, I can't shake the thought I'd be having more fun if it were on a console. More comfortable, bigger screen, better sound... The game doesn't make use of the stylus, and the extra benefit you get with the second screen is kind of minimal (though I will admit, it's nice having weaknesses listed all the time!).

My console preference order for SMT4 would be this: PS3 > 360 > Wii -- but I'd buy it on any of them. I put PS3 ahead of 360 because I prefer the controller, and if there were any DLC, I absolutely hate buying it off of the Live Marketplace.

But if it does end up on a portable, I'd have to go with the PSP. Again, better screen and sound. I could also hook it up to my TV, which would be a huge plus.

[ProudClod]

While I absolutely adore my PSP, my eyes hurt if I use it for more than half an hour. I'm willing to soldier through and lose my eyesight for SMT.

[Deidara]

So long as it's not on a portable or a cell phone, I don't care much where the game goes. While I'm really enjoying Devil Survivor right now, I can't shake the thought I'd be having more fun if it were on a console. More comfortable, bigger screen, better sound... The game doesn't make use of the stylus, and the extra benefit you get with the second screen is kind of minimal (though I will admit, it's nice having weaknesses listed all the time!).

My console preference order for SMT4 would be this: PS3 > 360 > Wii -- but I'd buy it on any of them. I put PS3 ahead of 360 because I prefer the controller, and if there were any DLC, I absolutely hate buying it off of the Live Marketplace.

But if it does end up on a portable, I'd have to go with the PSP. Again, better screen and sound. I could also hook it up to my TV, which would be a huge plus.

PSP has already its Persona remake... Leave to PS3 yhe next SMT :tongue:

[dungeon_man]

:) Atlus itself announced that its next Persona will be on one (or two) of HD consoles ;)

Link or it didn't happen.

And no, that PS3 SMT announcement from 4 years ago doesn't count.

[Hamel]

:) Atlus itself announced that its next Persona will be on one (or two) of HD consoles ;)

Link or it didn't happen.

And no, that PS3 SMT announcement from 4 years ago doesn't count.

I think it was in an interview that was on the P4 board though I could be wrong

[dungeon_man]

:) Atlus itself announced that its next Persona will be on one (or two) of HD consoles ;)

Link or it didn't happen.

And no, that PS3 SMT announcement from 4 years ago doesn't count.

I think it was in an interview that was on the P4 board though I could be wrong

I honestly expected that anybody who quoted that post would include a link somewhere in their reply.

My own google searching has uncovered no announcement of Persona 5 for any system. The most official thing I found was an Atlus Japan employee stating the following, allegedly in Play Magazine:

Question: We have to ask: Persona 5, next gen?
Answer: “Nothing’s set in stone. We are currently looking into many different things.”

A Link (http://www.playmagazine.com/index.php?fuseaction=SiteMain.Content&contentid=1413) (near end of page 3)

Granted, this link does not disprove any P5 announcements as this interview was published 7 months ago, but I haven't found anything better.

[Deidara]

In fact there is no announcement for P5 or SMT4, but only an interview... I don' t remember where I saw it... but it says something like this "If we have to develop a new Persona, it won' t be on PS2... Probably we' ll develop on HD consoles" ... He didn' t say PS3 or 360 or both...

[Zacewing]

Atlus said at E3 that the next Persona game, if it ever happens, would be on one of the current-gen systems (PS3, 360, Wii).

[Nephlabobo]

For the love of god, don't put it on the Wii.

[vincent_vincent]

SMT without Cozy Okada and the gang wont be the same IMHO , look at all the games post DDS2 .

[Yukichin]

I wouldn't mind it on the Wii, or the 360. I don't own a PS3, so that's one of the reasons, but the Wii needs some really good games, I think. RPGs can definitely work on it (Tales of Symphonia 2, for instance, though it's a decent sequel rather than a great game), so... yeah.

[System_Error]

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/07/16/atlus-teaser-site-reveals-shin-megami-tensei-strange-journey/

[chluophobi]

Yessssssssssssssssssssssss.

Wait OCT 10th? That's way too soon, oh god I bet it's a DS game. : /

Pass.

[Yukichin]

Yessssssssssssssssssssssss.

Wait OCT 10th? That's way too soon, oh god I bet it's a DS game. : /

Pass.


It's possible it's been unannounced but worked on for a while, I should think.

For some reason, "Strange Journey" makes me think of another spin-off rather than a real SMT title...

[chluophobi]

Yeah really but it isn't uncommon. I mean they did make a game called Shin Megami Tensei If..

I am not sure how it held up compared to I and II but it looked like a good game from the screenshots I saw. I hope this one isn't all animu'd out...

[Foobar]

Yessssssssssssssssssssssss.

Wait OCT 10th? That's way too soon, oh god I bet it's a DS game. : /

Pass.

SMT IV has been in development for quite some time now, this is likely it. It doesn't exactly need to be numbered and even if it was another DS game its just your loss for not having a DS. Devil Survivor is very enjoyable and has had more in common with older MegaTen games than any of the PS2 releases have.

That's not to slight the PS2 releases, by the way, just making the distinction of it tying events to a "devil summoning program" and the internet as older games did. I'm not sold on the notion that each title has to be all cyberpunked out, but its nice to see the theme resurface here and there.

[Emilio Morales]

I'm so excited about this! Oh my God!! Let us know more about it Atlus, please!! I never thought they were going to announce the next game so soon. :D

[Crabman]

Atlus, you're doing it wrong! You announce the game titles after the countdown!

A reference:

www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/next/

Strange name, but even though I got into SMT though Persona, even I want to try something new now. Also of note is that fact that Atlus Japan is calling this an SMT title, where other games such as Persona 3/4, Devil Survivor, etc. were not under the SMT branding. Could indicate another spin-off or maybe a mainline game.

[DamageCity]

I think you guys are being too hastey.

[Crabman]

Probably. Excitement does tend to cloud judgement :D

[ProudClod]

Guys, you have to remember that spinoffs do NOT carry the Shin Megai Tensei tag in Japan. They're subtitled either Megami Ibunroku, or Majin Tensei.

I don't think Atlus would break the tradition of naming ONLY the flagship titles SMT.

With that being said, I don't see a 4 anywhere. It could be a flagship SMT for a handheld. That makes the most sense to me. Although I wish it was for PS360 :(

[DamageCity]

What I'm saying is the graphics on the atlus website and the graphics for the "Strange Journey" logo are completly different. So a japanese blogger says he got the graphic and now it's truth??!!??

[ProudClod]

What I'm saying is the graphics on the atlus website and the graphics for the "Strange Journey" logo are completly different. So a japanese blogger says he got the graphic and now it's truth??!!??

You can check the source code out for yourself. There's code in place for a "Megami Logo".

I'm not saying it's strange journey, but it's either SMT or MI. Everyone is just being hopeful ;)

[DamageCity]

Be a little sceptical please.

[ProudClod]

Be a little sceptical please.

There's a difference between skepticism and blind skepticism.

I'm not going to deny every piece of evidence and the foundations of logic. If the source code did not have code pertaining to a "Megami" logo, if the text didn't sound like an SMT scenario (world on the brink of destruction), and if this wasn't Atlus Japan, I'd be a lot more skeptical.

I'm definitely skeptical of the "SMT: Strange Journey" thing... But there's little reason to be skeptical about this being an SMT/MI title.

[DamageCity]

but Megami Ibunroku Devil Survivor has megami in the title but it's not an SMT title.

and all RPGs have a world on the brink of descruction in it.

[ProudClod]

but Megami Ibunroku Devil Survivor has megami in the title but it's not an SMT title.

and all RPGs have a world on the brink of descruction in it.

Which is why I said SMT OR MI.

To the fellow American/European, there is no difference, as both come overseas bearing the SMT tag.

[Nephlabobo]

October is probably for Japan. I think we won't get it until next year. :(

[Foobar]

but Megami Ibunroku Devil Survivor has megami in the title but it's not an SMT title.

Which is why it has devil summoning programs, Law and Chaos Heroes, demon fusion and an apocalyptic theme. Because its not related to SMT, at all.

:bs:

Spin-off or not, its related.

and all RPGs have a world on the brink of descruction in it.

Not exactly. Final Fantasy games tend to have the "evil empire" theme, most villians there just want their vision of the world, not particularly to destroy it. Many others have the "world on brink of destruction" but are not in a pre-or-post apocalyptic setting like SMT titles tend to be, but your standard fantasy world.

[DamageCity]

All I'm saying is what gives this japanese blog that suposedly hold the key, any credibility.

[ProudClod]

All I'm saying is what gives this japanese blog that suposedly hold the key, any credibility.

Nothing. But I don't think there are many people that take the whole SMT: Strange Journey thing for fact. If they do, they shouldn't.

[Haderach]

Persona 5 -> Xbox 360

I don't think any Megaten game would be a Xbox360 exclusive. I'm hoping for a PS3 release of Shin Megami Tensei 4 but I think there's a high probability that there will be a Megaten game for the Wii soon enough.

I don't care in which console they're developing the next game, I'll buy it anyway! Even if I don't own the console. :lol:

It' s a stupid way of thinking! It' s because of people like you that software houses don' t care about us... If we stress our voice about WHERE we want our game (SMT on PS3 in this case!) they' ll put more attention in fans' demand. If we act like you they treat us like stupid pawns.

It isn' t a personal attack to you. I want only to make you aware of your error...
I agree.

[Yukichin]

I hope it's cyberpunk-y again. I enjoy cyberpunk.

Also, wasn't Shin Megami Tensei If... under the SMT name, but technically an SMT spinoff?

[Crow T. Robot]

I hope this game is on a current gen that I own, preferably PS3. I remember someone (forgot who) mentioned in this thread about how 360 RPGers aren't exactly JRPGers, it's more of a Western RPG platform if anything, I know that Spectral Force 3 wasn't exactly great (sorry ATLUS). I mean PS3 had Disgaea, Valkyria Chronicles, and soon to be Demon's Souls (which I don't know if you'd consider that a JRPG or a WRPG) I mean Japan has alot of non-localized RPGs for the PS3 (come on share Japan).

[Cinder6]

but Megami Ibunroku Devil Survivor has megami in the title but it's not an SMT title.

and all RPGs have a world on the brink of descruction in it.

Want me to list some random RPGs that don't? Granted, it depends on your definition of "brink of destruction". World physically getting destroyed? Humanity wiped out? Humanity simply changed ("end of the world as we know it"). Then, some games actually have the world getting destroyed, of course.

But, in general, I would agree with the "evil dude imposing his will" plot being more prevalent.

[Deidara]

I' m scared about a 360 or Wii exclusive... I haven' t much money (and space in my room!) to buy another console... :very_sad:

[Kenji]

I was waiting for an announcement like this. The last few releases were announced within days of the Japanese release of the most recent game, so it almost seemed odd that the Japanese branch had been silent "for so long."

I've also been waiting for a new Shin Megami Tensei game... but, I won't truly be excited until July 24 rolls around and they give us some details.

For now, though, color me interested.

[Deidara]

This teaser-site fashion makes me angry... Firstly Konami with its stupid MGS spin off, secondly SQEX with its further FF spin off on NDS, and yesterday Cyberconnect2 with a Naruto PSP (while we' re waiting all for a .Hack)...
Now I think: software houses put attention on their most "little" games with these teaser sites to make us interesting about games which normally don' t interest us...

I hope only that Atlus is not following the same strategy...

[syl]

Maybe the SMT: Strange Journey blog entry is just a red herring arranged by Atlus Japan's marketing department?
Hopefully, we'll get SMT4 and not a game that focus on climate change or reminds us of the Second Impact from Eva.
Though it would be cool to fight Al Gore as a boss wielding a DVD copy of an Inconvient Truth...

[Fatney]

Firstly Konami with its stupid MGS spin off

You know, that site teased both the official MSG "5" (Peace Walker) and the spin-off MGS Rising.

Oh, and if this is the next SMT game (4) I will be extremely happy. I really enjoyed Nocturne. And if it arrives on 360 I will die. Out of happiness.

[slayn]

Guys, you have to remember that spinoffs do NOT carry the Shin Megai Tensei tag in Japan. They're subtitled either Megami Ibunroku, or Majin Tensei.


This is not correct. Most of the spin offs had their first installment under the SMT banner and were later moved to their own or Megami Ibunroku.

[Kenji]

"Most?"

Unless I'm forgetting one of the minor/discontinued series, wasn't it just Devil Summoner that started under the Shin Megami Tensei banner?

[ProudClod]

Guys, you have to remember that spinoffs do NOT carry the Shin Megai Tensei tag in Japan. They're subtitled either Megami Ibunroku, or Majin Tensei.


This is not correct. Most of the spin offs had their first installment under the SMT banner and were later moved to their own or Megami Ibunroku.

From my understanding, only the original Devil Summoner and If had the "Shin Megami Tensei" tag. I may be completely wrong, but I double checked on wikipedia and other sites. If I am wrong, I'd love it if you provided me with the source of your information.

Revelations: Persona was 女神異聞録ペルソナ in Japan. Megami Ibunroku: Perusona.

http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/megaten/personaj2.jpg

This was the first installment of Persona, and it was NOT under the Shin Megami Tensei banner. That's one.

Digital Devil Saga was called Digital Devil Saga アバタール・チューナー in Japan. Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner. No Shin Megami Tensei there!

http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/megaten/avatar.jpg

That's two.

The Majin Tensei spin off did not brand a Shin Megami Tensei tag.

http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/megaten/majintensei.jpg

That's three.

Jack Bros never had an SMT tag.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Jack_bros_Japanese_boxcover.jpg

That's four.

Devil Survivor 女神異聞録デビルサバイバー. Megami Ibunroku. No Shin Megami Tensei anywhere to be found.
http://short10.blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_290/short10/devilsurvivor.jpg

That's five.

Even if you count the joke that is SMT: Nine, and the Non-Atlus SMT: Imagine, with Devil Summoner and If, that's only 4 spinoffs that actually had the SMT tag. SMT: Nine had it for marketing purposes, and as did Imagine. Either way, I don't know where you get your "most" from.

[slayn]

Ok, so half, since you forgot Devil Children. Technically more than half if you include the pinball game :D.

My point was more that it is incorrect to say that spinoffs don't use the SMT banner, since they quite obviously do.

[Foobar]

People seem to enjoy trying to make this distinction of what constitutes a spin-off. Whatever case might be, all of them are directly related to main series SMT in some fashion and why many of them got put under the SMT banner in their western releases.

But then, I've seen people proclaim direct sequels to games as "spin offs" simply because they didn't like the story. Whatever floats your boat, man.

The only thing here that's really stretching it is Jack Bros. That's just a mascot title. Atlus could weasel Jack Frost in to Demon's Souls or Shiren the Wanderer and I wouldn't flinch. He's the macot, he goes where he wants to :P

[ProudClod]

Foobar, I agree completely. However, the reason we're arguing what constitutes a spinoff and what doesn't, is to figure out what is reasonable to expect of this new game. The burning question is "is this SMT4?". Given the information we have, we can come to the hopeful conclusion of "maybe".

The point I was trying to make is that whatever this game is (frankly, I don't know if I believe the whole "SMT: Strange Journey" thing) it has "Megami" in the title. The only two franchises from Atlus that have Megami in their titles are Shin Megami Tensei, and Megami Ibunroku BOTH of which constitute a "Shin Megami Tensei" title in Europe and North America. So, even if this isn't SMT4, it's a new SMT game, and I'm happy either way!

[Foobar]

I'm happy either way as well. If its another spin-off that appears on DS or PSP, I'm fine with that, even it it turns out to be a flagship title on either platform. I mean, its clearly working for Dragon Quest IX.

If its a PS3 title, I finally have the game that will give me a reason to own a PS3. Its not that there aren't games that I want for it, its just that none of them are $400 price tag good. One SMT on PS3, though, means there will be plenty of other SMT titles to follow.

I'm getting a PSP on a similar basis, though in that case its with hope a Persona 2 remake will follow and to catch up on what I've missed while not having a PSP. Well, that and I want Dissidia so I can beat people with Shantotto.

[ShadyNook]

dont know if this has been posted yet

http://7rush-pc.net/news/2009/07/02/01.html

the last paragraph mentions Persona 5 announcement specifically for playstation 3 the portion on the last line in yellow. its also featuring a SMT slot machine coming to casinos in japan

[Foobar]

Well, this teaser site doesn't really strike me as anything Persona-esque. I think we would have all figured it out by now it it was another Persona game. I wouldn't dismiss the notion that another Persona game was in the works, as its the most mainstream of the SMT titles out there, but I don't think another one needs to come out soon.

I want that slot machine and Jack Frost Plushie, by the way >.>;

[Cookigaki]

I think it's persona 5

[Deidara]

dont know if this has been posted yet

http://7rush-pc.net/news/2009/07/02/01.html

the last paragraph mentions Persona 5 announcement specifically for playstation 3 the portion on the last line in yellow. its also featuring a SMT slot machine coming to casinos in japan

It must be only a speculation... but today many sites have noticed this link... uhm... maybe there is this new SMT in development PS360 and Persona 5 PS3...

[Fatney]

It's very unlikely this is a Persona game...

[ProudClod]

This definitely isn't a Persona game. That doesn't mean a Persona game isn't in the works, though.

[ShadyNook]

the featured product in the article isnt persona 5, its for a pachinko machine. but there is in katakana on the last line "playstation3 [paa-so-na 5]"

the author might have tried to sneak that in there as speculation. OR IS IT REALLY?!

[unknown]

I think he's ####ing with us.

[Crow T. Robot]

dont know if this has been posted yet

http://7rush-pc.net/news/2009/07/02/01.html

the last paragraph mentions Persona 5 announcement specifically for playstation 3 the portion on the last line in yellow. its also featuring a SMT slot machine coming to casinos in japan
Ohhh I see Helel/Lucifer in the background, I'd love to have a poster of him.

I remember it being 'announced' but it's just a rumor right? But god I hope it's not.


edit: Love your sig 'unknown'

[Cookigaki]

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/07/21/persona_5_statement_removed/

Good news everyone, The P5 statement have been removed, it was obvious that atlus removed it.

[Emilio Morales]

I don't see Atlus touching the Persona franchise for a long time now, they should be working on other spin off or a direct sequel. But if they want to keep working with Persona, then they should be porting Persona 2 Tsumi and Batsu to the PSP. :P

[Pibbman]

dont know if this has been posted yet

http://7rush-pc.net/news/2009/07/02/01.html

the last paragraph mentions Persona 5 announcement specifically for playstation 3 the portion on the last line in yellow. its also featuring a SMT slot machine coming to casinos in japan

It must be only a speculation... but today many sites have noticed this link... uhm... maybe there is this new SMT in development PS360 and Persona 5 PS3...

Yeah... I doubt the new SMT is coming to TWO platforms, considering the company's history on releasing a game for one platform, especially so since HD game development is MUCH more expensive than last gen too.

[Yukichin]

dont know if this has been posted yet

http://7rush-pc.net/news/2009/07/02/01.html

the last paragraph mentions Persona 5 announcement specifically for playstation 3 the portion on the last line in yellow. its also featuring a SMT slot machine coming to casinos in japan

It must be only a speculation... but today many sites have noticed this link... uhm... maybe there is this new SMT in development PS360 and Persona 5 PS3...

Yeah... I doubt the new SMT is coming to TWO platforms, considering the company's history on releasing a game for one platform, especially so since HD game development is MUCH more expensive than last gen too.

Wouldn't that be more incentive to develop for BOTH platforms? They'd get more money because it's on twice the systems.

[Crabman]

^That's the way I would see it too. If PS3 was the lead console, it should be easier to port to 360 (from my rather basic understanding of it: early PS3 games that were also on 360 were not optimized for the diferent memory architecture of the PS3. PS3 has RAM set aside for normal tasks and for the GPU, where as 360 has one big pool of RAM that can be used by the by either the CPU or the GPU. Considering they both have 512 MB of RAM, at least in terms of RAM allocation [super highlighted so I'm being clear here: this is not a system war shot!], if it runs on PS3 is should run on 360.)

[Pibbman]

This is Atlus we're talking about here though. I mean when was the las.t time an Atlus developed title was multiplat? We're probably talking PSX days here - even then weren't those multiplat titles just ports? - since then as to my recollection, I can't remember when the last Atlus developed title was multiplat.

I see the point being made about more money, but Atlus has even said themselves when they make a game, it's made with Japan first in mind, and the rest of the world later (meaning we're "second class" citizens to them :X ). 360 hardly has a userbase there to make much of an incentive to make it for the platform, especially showing recent RPGs on the PS3 selling more in its first week than rpg 360 titles there combined.

I think its great if more people could play their games, but I think Atlus is one of those companies that you'll be forced to pick whatever platform they want to develop on, despite if you own it or not. Hell, I had to pick up a DS to play Devil Survivor.

[chluophobi]

PS3 needs more damn RPG's, everyone needs to stop complaining about it potentially not being on 360, it already has enough RPG's. PS3's selection of RPG's is pretty pathetic with an exception of Valkyria Chronicles which is probably one of the greatest.

I'm so glad MS won't be able to do #### about this because their console is selling so ####ty in Japanland.

[jj984jj]

I finally found a picture of that blurb from Famitsu Xbox 360 that I mentioned a few months back in the "Besides PS2; what future system would you want Persona to be on?" thread:
http://i31.tinypic.com/2h88d2d.jpg

It doesn't mean SMT, but Atlus Co. is making something for the 360. :)

[Crabman]

Needs more translation for my gaijin eyes.