Persona 5

[persona3rocks]

:DOk i just read a few reports from E3 and they said Atlus said there will be a Persona 5 and will be making the jump to either Playstation 3 Or XBox 360
(Xbox360 would suck tho). Im trying to figure out if this is true.And if it is when can we know for sure because I will go out and buy a next gen consule for this game but I don't want to buy the wrong one!!!
One more thing which one does everyone think it should come out on???:o

[Evilkinggumby]

sorry bub already spilled that lil detail at http://www.atlus.com/forum/showpost.php?p=119554&postcount=290 in the other persona 5 thread. Take a look if ye like, already a number of replies... go to the last page of posts for the thread to see em all.

But yes i am hoping that if and when they do it, it comes out as good as we all hope. :)

[Pibbman]

I'm willing to bet it's PS3. Just makes sense from a business standpoint, since Atlus Japan has stated numerous times in interviews that Japan is their main market. So really its either Wii or PS3. I doubt we'd see multi platform either, Atlus isn't exactly known for multi-platform titles.

[persona3rocks]

Sorry bout the double threads havent been on in about 6 months.
Yea hopefully its on Ps3 Or Wii no XBox360

[Ike.]

Persona 5 wasn't announced. An over-happy reporter somehow took "If Persona 5 were to be made it wouldn't be on PS2" as "OMG PERSONA 5 ANNOUNCED RIGHT HERE AT E3"

[nbinney]

(Xbox360 would suck tho)

and why is that, fanboy?

[Olethros]

^ We seem to get a lot of them lately. :question:

[persona3rocks]

I'm not a fan of Microsoft products thats all! I have sent in my 360 way to many times. To wait for persona 5 to come out and then start to play and get the red eye yet again not ganna happen. Im wishing ps2 or ps3 jever had a problem with a sony product!:):):):)

[Pibbman]

I wouldn't worry about 360, if the announcement back in 2005 by Sony is any indication, the game will most likely be PS3, since SMT4 is being made for PS3, so why not just use the same engine?

[nbinney]

I'm not a fan of Microsoft products thats all! I have sent in my 360 way to many times. To wait for persona 5 to come out and then start to play and get the red eye yet again not ganna happen. Im wishing ps2 or ps3 jever had a problem with a sony product!:):):):)

The red ring of death isn't an issue any more and you wont lose your data because the hard drive is removable. The PS2 was just as notorious for it's "unreable disk" error from the cd drive crapping out on some models.

[Pibbman]

I'm not a fan of Microsoft products thats all! I have sent in my 360 way to many times. To wait for persona 5 to come out and then start to play and get the red eye yet again not ganna happen. Im wishing ps2 or ps3 jever had a problem with a sony product!:):):):)

The red ring of death isn't an issue any more and you wont lose your data because the hard drive is removable. The PS2 was just as notorious for it's "unreable disk" error from the cd drive crapping out on some models.

Well my friend 3 weeks ago got a new 360, a week later it got the RROD. I'd say its still an issue.

[Decept]

The red ring of death is still an issue

fixed.

The failure percentage may be down from what it was 1-2 years ago, but it is still an issue.

BTW I have friends/family that still have their ticking time bomb of launch console and who have yet to see it, so it seems it is completely random.

[nbinney]

Right, the RROD is still existant but VERY unlikely on new systems (ones with HDMI). But since microsoft has been replacing them FOR FREE, then who cares. It's not like Sony and the PS2 where they didn't even acknowledge the problem.

[Zacewing]

I wouldn't worry about 360, if the announcement back in 2005 by Sony is any indication, the game will most likely be PS3, since SMT4 is being made for PS3, so why not just use the same engine?

Since when was SMT4 being made for PS3?

[OverGAR]

Since the day that we asume rumor as true xD [Sumaru City]

[persona3rocks]

Even if the hard drive is removeable I still have to send it in and get it replaced and thats time away from the game.
And there will be none of that!

And the unable to read disk is and easy fix .
Buy the air in a can like you use to clean your keypad on your computer and stick it in your playstaion and clean it out. I have the old huge playstation and i do that about every other month and I've never had a problem with it
and I've had it since it came out:o

[Evilkinggumby]

Even if the hard drive is removeable I still have to send it in and get it replaced and thats time away from the game.
And there will be none of that!

And the unable to read disk is and easy fix .
Buy the air in a can like you use to clean your keypad on your computer and stick it in your playstaion and clean it out. I have the old huge playstation and i do that about every other month and I've never had a problem with it
and I've had it since it came out:o

umm. best i knew the general error that the ps2's got(the old huge ones, i've had 3) was the fact the flywheel that is uses to position the lazer for the cd rom is plastic, and habitually slips a tooth, slowly making lense alignment impossible. the only fix is to pop the case and cd drive open, get a screwdriver or pointy object and try to adjust the teeth back straight, close the cd drive, turn on, test, and repeat...

I would never throw a compressed air can nozzle in blindly and spray the inside of a rom drive of any time. you're just kicking particles around and possibly spraying delicate equiptment with the propellant(if it sprays out while yer working). the propellant is known to stain some types of plastics, and I would assume, wouldn't be good on a optical laser lense...

tho we are currently WAY off topic.. lol

I have to agree in that most likely we wouldn't see atlus throw it on both ps3 and xbox 360, as the dev kit costs money, and it takes time for their coders and developers to learn and understand what it takes to throw stuff on the xbox. Since that system is weak in japan... likely not as much a consideration.

[persona3rocks]

One thing tho y would atlus change and go multi platform??? Persona has been on Playstaion, Playstation2, and PSP. Why go to Xbox360

[Evilkinggumby]

One thing tho y would atlus change and go multi platform??? Persona has been on Playstaion, Playstation2, and PSP. Why go to Xbox360

I'll repeat what I just said...

"I have to agree in that most likely we wouldn't see atlus throw it on both ps3 and xbox 360, as the dev kit costs money, and it takes time for their coders and developers to learn and understand what it takes to throw stuff on the xbox. Since that system is weak in japan... likely not as much a consideration."

i.e.... more then likely they won't go multi because of cost and profit. It would be on ps3 and (most likely) nothing else. I could see them doing it on xbox 360 if for some bizaar reason the native programming system they built easily translated code to the xbox system.. but.. the chances of that is still.. slim to none. :frown:

[persona3rocks]

Im sorry I misread I thought you said would not wouldn't sorry

[Zacewing]

Just because they haven't gone multiplat before doesn't mean they'll never do it.

[persona3rocks]

But it would be totally be unexpected!

[Evilkinggumby]

yeah which is why i put "most likely". whereas i would LOVE to see it released on a few systems, I'm being conservative in saying they'll likely lack funds or initiative to try it. Back in my original mega post in " what would you like to see in persona 5" i was praying they'd go all out on next gen and shoot for ps3 xbox360 and even pc.. but that is a wish based on them having the profits and moxy to really invest their whole business in the next level of games and i doubt they have it in them to take a risk so great. as it is they could take a lesson from a lot of the other software companies and even hollywood and throw some initial buzz or rumors onto the web about possibly making games for such n such or that system.. and see what the general reaction is. A lot of companies do that to get a feel for the waters.. and then decide based on the screaming excitement or screaming horror. :) hell that quip about it in the sites from this years E3 could be just that... hehehe

[Doublelunar]

Well personally I would like to see P5 a bit in a 1960-1970 groove style that has something like “The Nite Liters- K-Jee” music in it. It’s because I liked how P4 had some retro style in it and they could use masks to summon personas or even merge with persona. Well basically its just some thoughts I have that would be cool to see in next gen Persona game.

[Zenieth]

They all ready did a game like that it's called DDS. As for the masks honestly, I don't want any more masks as a mjor point of game play, joker-sama began it and ended it for me. On the fact of systems I see no point on why a game shouldn't go to other consoles, not doing such is merely what certain fans want. I have a 360 and I find it to be decent though I know full well that the ps3 has the better over all hardware. My only real gripe with the system is the shotty making. Three friends of mine have already gone through 12 360's between them.

[Doublelunar]

DDS isn’t 60s-70s like, it was more of a si-fi and Raidou series are based on 18 century japan...

[Onion of Mystery]

DDS isn’t 60s-70s like, it was more of a si-fi and Raidou series are based on 18 century japan...

The Raidou games take place in the 1920s.

[persona3rocks]

Wat is going on in this forum

[Andy]

Wish I knew which way they'd take the series. Don't have a nexgen console, and if P5 is on the PSTriple then I'd buy it for that.

Well, that and the new Ico team project, Gran Turismo 5, Demon's Souls, and a more comfortable controller for fighting games.

[slayn]

Wish I knew which way they'd take the series. Don't have a nexgen console, and if P5 is on the PSTriple then I'd buy it for that.

They aren't going to sneak into stores and put the game on the shelf to surprise everyone. They'll announce the game far in advance of its release, so you'll have plenty of time to get whichever console it's coming out on.

[Garlyle]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i61/GarlyleWilds/teaser-scan.jpg
Found in the latest issue of Famitsu

Minato, Souji, and... that's the Trinity Soul guy, right?

The question: What's this doing here!? Famitsu is basically the gaming magazine in Japan... Why bother running a pic like that without purpose?

Speculate away 8D

[slayn]

Could be an artbook or something.

[Zenieth]

I saw that picture about a week or two ago I cast it away from my mind as merely artbook or fan made.

[Andy]

They aren't going to sneak into stores and put the game on the shelf to surprise everyone. They'll announce the game far in advance of its release, so you'll have plenty of time to get whichever console it's coming out on.

That's what I meant. Just looking forward to an official announcement.

[persona3rocks]

Omg Im so excited now that picture may not mean anything but its exciting im thinking of stuff now.
Does anyone have a better pic of that im ganna set it as a background:)
ilooked on google and nothing.
What does it say on the side of the picture too???

[Emilio Morales]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i61/GarlyleWilds/teaser-scan.jpg
Found in the latest issue of Famitsu

Minato, Souji, and... that's the Trinity Soul guy, right?

The question: What's this doing here!? Famitsu is basically the gaming magazine in Japan... Why bother running a pic like that without purpose?

Speculate away 8D

That's the same picture that was used to promote the concert, "PERSONA MUSIC LIVE: Velvetroom in AKASAKA BLITZ" or something like that! It was a musical performance where the guy who sings the "Breaking Through," intro of Trinity Soul, and other musicians assisted and if I'm not wrong, they even gave gifts to the persons who assisted.

I don't thing it's something to be excited about though.

[Iris]

Yeah, that picture's been floating around for a while. I can't remember exactly how long, but I know I saw it waaaaay before the latest Famitsu came out.

[Gen Eric Gui]

They're supposed to be releasing a CD of the music from the Live performance. I'm pretty sure that's what the ad is for.

[DoubleInfinity]

hi, i found this suppoused p5 leaked details on an IGN forum

Calendar system still in place, game length has been increased to the 2 final years of high school, activities now take up appropriate amounts of time (sometimes chosen by the player for effects or bonuses) rather than everything taking your entire day

- Personality system : Similiar to morality systems used in western rpg's to determine story events and dialogue choices, covers a whole range of character traits rather than simply 'good or bad'

- In depth character interaction: 'Soul Links' have been revamped. The player is no longer put through a static 10 part story about helping new friends through troubled times. The player is now given choices as what to do and where to go. Options and discussion topics change along the course of the game to reflect current events and player actions. Instead of having the game tell you how the other person is feeling when done spending time together, the player is left to infer this information from their actions and dialogue. When a link is at maximum value, the player may wish to continue spending time to view more events or gain new rewards.

- Relationships: A successful relationship now relies on the player's actions, dialogue choices, personality, and waiting for the right time. Once established, the connection is not ignored by important story events. Multiple relationships are possible. The player will want to be careful if they don't want to be found out, but in some situations it may also be possible to convince partners that sharing is caring.

- Non-linear plot: A basic plot outline is provided at the start, however any event, even as seemingly insignificant as just hanging out after school, may have major effects on the story.

do you think they are real? and if you do, what´s your opinion?

http://boards.ign.com/ps3_general_board/b8267/190171709/p1
this is the link to the forum

[Evilkinggumby]

thats popped up before on here and i don't recall if anyone has found proof positive of whether it's real or not.. since nothing has been officially released by Atlus(and my undead psychic messengers who used to work for atlus haven't helped in confirming anything) I would assume it's just people dreaming. But it's not unreasonable i guess if they did implement it all.. i guess.

[DoubleInfinity]

yeah, it´s a shame they haven´t said anything about p5 in a while. it´s about time they throw us a bone

[Evilkinggumby]

yeah, it´s a shame they haven´t said anything about p5 in a while. it´s about time they throw us a bone

Haha I am sure when they have a bone, they'll throw it. Atlus likes to give us a bone and the marrow to suck out of it too.. So I am betting when we get the announcement, it'll be the title, possibly a plot synopsis and maybe even a few initial character art concept drawings. Then everyone will squeal for a while and pee themselves.

or at least me...

Sad to see another thread closed lately.. i'm starting to get saddened that i've seen a few already get locked and certain people seem to populate the "end" of the conversation as it is going hopelessly off track. (not slamming admins, I don't blame them for locking a ruined thread). Luckily i guess we can always create a new thread and keep the love alive. :)

So to finish a conversation "locked" out on another thread... I wanted to say I still think it'd be viable to see p5 have it's protagonists more adult, but not necessarily total adults. it's been cited the perils of trying to make a fun game where the players had to struggle to balance work, family, friends, and all the stuff we have to deal with after college. I think the middle ground, and the next stepping stone for the series(if it didn't want to stray too far from it's popular p3/4 roots) would be shifting up to university/college age. Even if the locale stayed in Japan, i'd personally be interested to see the difference between college life for them vs us(US being America). As well, as I've said before on this, there is an abundance of themes and ideas that could be tackled during one's college life...

I mean imagine if there was a random chance one of the party members that you liked using for dungeon crawls was also a druggie, or a constant party-animal drunk and would thus show up to "investigate" blitzed off his butt? There was a chance in every fight he would pass out and sleep for 3 rounds... or lose a fair amount of his hit accuracy... or call his persona wrong and be stuck there looking at the enemy and shrugging. haha....

not only would it have its share of danger and annoyance, but it'd be funny (if done right) and still allow for moments of serious conversation and even (possibly for the s link) an "intervention" by the MC and others. :)

then, the sooner you maxx the s link, the sooner they sober up and straighten out(and become more reliable).

crap maybe i shouldn't post this.. if they like the idea they'll not be able to use it for possible litigation by me.. hmm.. what if i say i don't care?! huh?! go atlus! go and use the idea! PLEASE.. heheeh

[Blacklisted]

yeah, it´s a shame they haven´t said anything about p5 in a while. it´s about time they throw us a bone

TGS my friend.

[Onion of Mystery]

Nothing has ever been said about any hypothetical Persona 5. You're basing this on this quote from E3 2009:
from here: (http://www.ps3news.com/General-Off-Topic/e3-2009-persona-5-coming-to-next-gen-consoles/)
Today, Atlus told our E3 reporting team that Persona 5 "probably won't be on the PlayStation 2," and will likely be making the jump to the PlayStation 3 and/or Xbox 360.

This does not confirm any Persona 5 nor any plans for Persona 5, or even the intention to create a Persona 5. It's as if I asked Christopher Nolan if the sequel to Inception will be a flipbook in crayon, then claiming to have broken a scoop when he says no. The sheer intensity with which people ignore what is being said in order to support their own conclusions astounds me, and that goes for whoever wrote the original article as well.

[DamnedToBeFree]

It's as if I asked Christopher Nolan if the sequel to Inception will be a flipbook in crayon


#### that would be so awesome...

[Rednusander]

Nothing has ever been said about any hypothetical Persona 5.

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/03/24/we-are-preparing-to-start-work-on-the-next-persona/

Just sayin'. :devil:

[Onion of Mystery]

Rumors and hearsay!

[Olethros]

^Which are the two lowest (foundation) layers in the misinformation pyramid that forms the core internet diet of fanboys and other generally thick-headed individuals. :D

[DarkRPGMaster]

You forget...rumors can sometimes come true.

[Evilkinggumby]

eh.. I just love the fun imagining and brainstorming and discussion about this game and all the what if's. I haven't followed much on those other sites and the speculaton. I hope some of it proves true over time... but really i'm just having fun trying to anticipate the dev's at atlus. :)

[Nimbus]

That IGN post sounds more like a wishlist than anything else to me. I would totally love to see a personality system like that though. Have Law and Chaos sides of the story based on your actions... That's how the old SMT games are in a way, aren't they?

In regards to which console we'll see Persona 5 on, I'm hoping it's PS3.... mainly because I have a PS3 and not a 360. xD The PS3 is much stronger than the 360 in Japan, so that seems much more of the likely console anyways. I doubt it would be multiplatform, but maybe we'll see something like Eternal Sonata or Star Ocean 4, where the game gets a timed release.

[Blacklisted]

Which color this time? Will they finish the primary triad and go with red?

[darkziosj]

well 360 may not sell that much on japan, but on usa is still outselling the ps3, if atlus know how to make business (they do) they will make it multiplatform, persona games are getting popular everywhere not only japan

[LostCompass]

Which color this time? Will they finish the primary triad and go with red?

Probably. What were the UI colors for the other SMT games?

[Kenji]

Will they finish the primary triad and go with red?
If they do, then I demand the battle system go three times faster and that every character entertain thoughts of dramatic betrayal. :)

[Senato43]

Oh......I want persona 5 on PS2 cuz i played Persona 3 / FES & Persona 4 so i want Persona 5 on PS2 on mayb PSP but why theres no P3P in ENG

[Iris]

The chances of a PS2 release, at this point, are basically nil. PS2 had a good long run, but I'm ready to look to the future.

[Senato43]

Though the trailer on end of september

[Senato43]

How to become Atlus Faithful??

[Raptorg]

The chances of a PS2 release, at this point, are basically nil. PS2 had a good long run, but I'm ready to look to the future.

I agree.. The PS2 has become very old now.
It would be hard to satisfy people like that.. I wouldn't mind, of course..

Though something bothers me.. The PS3's capabilities.. Somehow I fear it might detract from the gaming experience.
Looking as FFXIII, which, undoubtedly, was a good game.. Was somewhat ruined because it pushed the capabilities of the PS3.

It looked beautiful, but the gameplay, storyline and characters were.. Sadly only mediocre compared to earlier games. Though we all know how square likes to make great looking games, and square is very different from atlus.. Much bigger and all. It's still something that I fear might happen to the shin megami tensei games.

Honestly, right now, I don't even look forward to a FFXV just because I felt that FFXIII failed, and FFIX doesn't really look that good, either.

I'm just saying I don't want a focus on graphics to detract from the quality of gameplay, storyline and character development. Which is always a very real possibility especially because of rivaling games looking so damn good.

Now that I think about it, this post is incredibly useless.. But I really felt like saying it.

[Senato43]

The chances of a PS2 release, at this point, are basically nil. PS2 had a good long run, but I'm ready to look to the future.

I agree.. The PS2 has become very old now.
It would be hard to satisfy people like that.. I wouldn't mind, of course..

Though something bothers me.. The PS3's capabilities.. Somehow I fear it might detract from the gaming experience.
Looking as FFXIII, which, undoubtedly, was a good game.. Was somewhat ruined because it pushed the capabilities of the PS3.

It looked beautiful, but the gameplay, storyline and characters were.. Sadly only mediocre compared to earlier games. Though we all know how square likes to make great looking games, and square is very different from atlus.. Much bigger and all. It's still something that I fear might happen to the shin megami tensei games.

Honestly, right now, I don't even look forward to a FFXV just because I felt that FFXIII failed, and FFIX doesn't really look that good, either.

I'm just saying I don't want a focus on graphics to detract from the quality of gameplay, storyline and character development. Which is always a very real possibility especially because of rivaling games looking so damn good.

Now that I think about it, this post is incredibly useless.. But I really felt like saying it.

:agree:

[Kenji]

I really wouldn't worry about it. Atlus has a history of lagging behind Square(-Enix) when it comes to graphics, even with their most popular titles (i.e. Persona). They put the emphasis where it belongs (i.e. gameplay) so, assuming a MegaTen does end up on an HD console, it won't be pushing that 1080p photorealism that Square fears will bankrupt it.

[Raptorg]

I really wouldn't worry about it. Atlus has a history of lagging behind Square(-Enix) when it comes to graphics, even with their most popular titles (i.e. Persona). They put the emphasis where it belongs (i.e. gameplay) so, assuming a MegaTen does end up on an HD console, it won't be pushing that 1080p photorealism that Square fears will bankrupt it.

I realize that. But it's still something that bothers me.

[YinYang1st]

I don't see what the problem is if they put Persona 5 on the 360. I mean, if it was made only for it I can understand but I don't see anything else wrong. It's not like it makes the game different, move with the control stick, navigate menus with D-pad, and select with A button; not much different from how PS3 would be.
If and/or when they make Persona 5, I hope they make it for PS3 and 360. Chances are low but I'm keeping my hopes up!

[Medicatedsoap]

DEAR GOD PLS PUT PERSONA 5 ON XBOX 360,

I don't care if it's PS3 / Xbox. I just want it on Xbox. Because I do not have the funds to get a PS3 right now, but Persona 5 would be literally the only possible game that would make me shell out however much it costs to get one. And even though I shouldn't, I would do it without a second thought for Persona 5, beat it, and then cry and be poor.

[Rocket Science]

I will be genuinely surprised if Atlus ever makes anything for an Xbox platform. And that's all I have to say right now.

[darkziosj]

I will be genuinely surprised if Atlus ever makes anything for an Xbox platform. And that's all I have to say right now.


times change, they are making games for DS,WII so why not 360? i mean they are not first party developers of sony or nintendo, and all they care its about gameplay (epic gameplay) so they pretty much don't need blueray and sales whould be Alot more wide (most of my friends love persona but they love 360 too) so i see no problem at all

[Raptorg]

DEAR GOD PLS PUT PERSONA 5 ON XBOX 360,

I don't care if it's PS3 / Xbox. I just want it on Xbox. Because I do not have the funds to get a PS3 right now, but Persona 5 would be literally the only possible game that would make me shell out however much it costs to get one. And even though I shouldn't, I would do it without a second thought for Persona 5, beat it, and then cry and be poor.

P5 won't be for at least another year.
By that time, people will be throwing PS3's at your head because everybody has one and they can't get them sold.

Actually, they already are doing that. 300 euros for a PS3 is fairly cheap.
I bought mine for less, but it's an old school 60 gig.
The one I'm looking at is a new slim one, with 120 gig hard disk.

Within a year, that price should go down at 200 easily.

Taking a quick glance at ebay, the older models, which still work perfectly, are going for half the price. And some even less.
Imagine that in a year, it's not going to be that big a deal.

[Rocket Science]

Aaaaand let's change the subject before this turns into a console war.

So, what can we expect to change in P5? What might stay the same?

[DarkRPGMaster]

I personally hope the social links stay. I rather like the subplots within the main story.

[Snakeyes]

This is probably an unpopular opinion but I hope the localization team cuts down heavily on the use of Japanese honorifics.

[Evilkinggumby]

This is probably an unpopular opinion but I hope the localization team cuts down heavily on the use of Japanese honorifics.

... Care to explain WHY? or are you just dropping landmines and walking away

[DarkRPGMaster]

This is probably an unpopular opinion but I hope the localization team cuts down heavily on the use of Japanese honorifics.
What would be the point? The honorifics are there to make it feel like you're actually in Japan, and can understand the Japanese language.

[Saburo Hikari]

This is probably an unpopular opinion but I hope the localization team cuts down heavily on the use of Japanese honorifics.
What would be the point? The honorifics are there to make it feel like you're actually in Japan, and can understand the Japanese language.This. At least they don't use Japanese honorifics of everything, like the teachers. They still call them "Mr." and "Ms."

[jvargasm10]

PLEASE....IT MUST TO BE PERSONA 5 ON XBOX360 !!!!! I love Persona series and I wanna play it on my xbox

[DarkRPGMaster]

I would rather not have it on the 360. Mostly due to the fact that if it came out for it, there's no way I would ever play it (due to none of my friends having one).

[Olethros]

I would rather not have it on the PS3. Mostly due to the fact that if it came out for it, there's no way I would ever play it (due to my insistance on not buying a second console when I have more games for one than I can possibly play).

Rather than reiterate the exact same thing I just fixed this one to apply to my situation. :)

[jozzle06]

Can't they just make it win-win and make the game for both PS3 and 360?

[Evilkinggumby]

I would rather not have it on the PS3. Mostly due to the fact that if it came out for it, there's no way I would ever play it (due to my insistance on not buying a second console when I have more games for one than I can possibly play).

Rather than reiterate the exact same thing I just fixed this one to apply to my situation. :)

LOL there is a quick fix that would allow you to play it on either, if Atlus so chose to pick one. It's called friends. Find friends with the console and a love for good games. then grab a bottle of ether from your office(maybe a month's worth? just to be safe) and go nuts.

Luckily I have 3 friends with ps3's and 1 of them helped me hammer out p3 and p4 and he owns ds2 so he is as much a geek for ti as I am(it being atlus SMT games) so I don't need the ether. Just a speed dial to the local pizza delivery. hehehe

[Kenji]

Hey, I have this really spiffy and novel idea.

Why don't we wait until Atlus announces the game and its platform, and then we can cry, scream, and beg and nobody will listen to us. It'll be just like now, except we'll actually have cause! :D

Seriously, though, which console it will be on will be based purely on market research, not a tally of how many fans beg in favor of their favorite console. Atlus would put it on Steam if they thought it'd sell better there (it wouldn't, but y'know).

[DarkRPGMaster]

Everybody knows this, but we all love speculating.

[Snakeyes]

This is probably an unpopular opinion but I hope the localization team cuts down heavily on the use of Japanese honorifics.

... Care to explain WHY? or are you just dropping landmines and walking away

I feel that they aren't necessary to convey a Japanese feeling, especially with an English voice track. For example, an actor could change his or her tone of voice or vocabulary so that the player understands that the character is speaking to someone of a higher status.

The honorifics use is also a bit inconsistent. Sensei, a term that is used a lot in your typical Japanese high school and widely understood in the Western world is changed to Mr/Ms while easily disposable suffixes like Chan and Kun are left in. In my mind, they are the same as the variations of "I" like "ore", "boku", "watashi", etc... and should be left out because they are a concept that has no literal translation into English.

Look at The World End With You; it's set in the heart of modern Japan with a bunch of teenagers and other characters that have very different personalities/speech patterns and features an organization with a specific hierarchy. The re-creation of Shibuya's vibe is well done, the dialogue is solid and the overall localization is great.


The main reason is that the members of the development team reside in Japan, and in this country Shibuya is very symbolic as the center of youth culture. Shibuya was the most suitable place, in our minds, as the setting for our 15-year old characters to embark on their adventure. Many of our North American users will probably not be familiar with Shibuya, but in playing The World Ends with You they will be able to experience Shibuya vicariously through the main character, Neku. The map included in this game is actually almost identical to the Shibuya in real life.

If you have the opportunity to visit Japan after playing this game, you might even be able to use The World Ends with You as your guide through the streets of Shibuya, and might even fall under the illusion that you've actually become Neku.

Clearly, he feels strongly about giving a genuine Japanese experience to Western players (which is also true for everyone with him on the project, including the localization team). However, honorifics are nowhere to be seen in the English version of the game. There are more natural ways to convey how a character is saying something to a non-Japanese audience.

Is the Persona team content with their games being niche and selling just above 100k in the States? Probably not. Every designer wants his craft to be appreciated by as many people as possible and make good money out of it. I've already established how a localization can perfectly keep a Japanese feel without sprinkling honorifics all around the place. By doing the latter, you may be pleasing the small yet passionate fansub crowd (who are likely to buy the game regardless) but could also put off other potential players.

I do have to say that honorifics are certainly not game-breaking to me and kinda understand the reason why some of you would prefer to keep them, even though I don't agree with it.

[Raptorg]

Ok, so?
If they're not game breaking, why would you want to be rid of them?

You're just arguing for the sake of argument here.

[Evilkinggumby]

Ok, so?
If they're not game breaking, why would you want to be rid of them?

You're just arguing for the sake of argument here.

Now now he's not arguing for argument's sake.. he's being picky. Sort of like taking a stand against using sesame seeds on a big mac bun because they don't help the sandwich much and get stuck in yer teeth.

@snakeeyes:

Really what you are talking about IS a pretty minor detail and not game breaking, I agree with you there. Most current fans will not throw the game away if they decided to ash-can the honorifics, and most new folk to it will not be totally lost if they used them. It's really one amongst a hundred different layers(or details if you will) to the game and it's "world" that helps to immerse the player into it's culture and mystery. I suspect due to the fact the game takes place in Japan, but in fictional locations and towns(if anyone has read that this is otherwise, let me know, it'd be kool to look at comparisons) taking away the honorifics would detach the game one step from feeling more authentic. I know a lot of folk threw a stink when they kicked the funky hat guy from P2 in lieu of a black kid when it got localized(among many other details).

Beyond immersion, I think the honorifics are something they regard with a sense of pride and taking them off just to Americanize, or simplify, the language could be seen as a slap at Japanese culture. I am native American, so, similar to the japanese, I take a lot of pride and ownership in my culture, and I am offended and hurt when I see executives making what they think is a pretty unimportant decision, but in actuality is stripping away one more detail about a minority. Taking away the honorifics and telling the Japanese " we don't see them as important or necessary" is really REALLY insensitive. If the original programmers said straight up -if you want to change this that and all the honorifics, we don't care- that's one thing, as you then know removing them is not an offense. In this case.. I'd have to think it would be.

In addition, within the concept of escalation, this can lead to more extreme nitpicking like: why not change the discussions about food to more common, easily recognized dishes. Replace pictures on the walls and in posters with english words/photo's instead of the hiragana/katakana(i am sorry i botched these, it's been years since I tool classes in Japanese). Move the location to a local Japanese neighborhood in Anycity, USA? I mean what you are asking for is a way to open the franchise to more gamers and make it more appealing and understandable to the general audience, but with THAT as a goal it would also mean revising the entire game to meet that end, and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it would lead to some bland, lame, stunted version of the game most of us know and love. I have to respect Atlus for choosing NOT to homogenize their games like this, it undercuts their profitability but at the same time they survive well enough and they can keep a sense of pride in everything they make and localize(that's a hats off to you, Atlus USA).

Personally, I don't mind the honorifics. I never paid them much mind, as they're kind of common in anime and Japanese rpg's, and I think most kids raised on this type of stuff(which is fairly common nowadays in America) will be none the wiser as they mature and become game-buyers. Heck think of all the kids tv shows that insert phrases, vocabulary, and ideas into themselves to help instill a consciousness about various races and cultures to our children and educate without lecturing. and i am NOT just talking about Afro Samurai(lol).

I understand your take on this and obviously you are very entitled to your opinion. I would expect they'd always leave the honorifics in, but if they chose to sh*t-can them (hopefully for the right reasons) then i'd still play and enjoy the game.

it may change a bit of the texture of the Personwich, but the general flavor is still there. :)

[Raptorg]

Ok, so?
If they're not game breaking, why would you want to be rid of them?

You're just arguing for the sake of argument here.

Now now he's not arguing for argument's sake.. he's being picky. Sort of like taking a stand against using sesame seeds on a big mac bun because they don't help the sandwich much and get stuck in yer teeth.



What's the difference?

[Evilkinggumby]

Ok, so?
If they're not game breaking, why would you want to be rid of them?

You're just arguing for the sake of argument here.

Now now he's not arguing for argument's sake.. he's being picky. Sort of like taking a stand against using sesame seeds on a big mac bun because they don't help the sandwich much and get stuck in yer teeth.



What's the difference?

Damnit I've run out of whitty comebacks. Maybe Olethros will have one.. hehe..

[DamnedToBeFree]

@snakeeyes:

Really what you are talking about IS a pretty minor detail and not game breaking, I agree with you there. Most current fans will not throw the game away if they decided to ash-can the honorifics,

I could see exactly that happening. If Atlus USA were to drop honorifics entirely for the localization for Persona 5, the "die hard" fans would most certainly be in an UPROAR. People throw bitchfits over the most minor of things.

[DarkRPGMaster]

Ok, so?
If they're not game breaking, why would you want to be rid of them?

You're just arguing for the sake of argument here.

Now now he's not arguing for argument's sake.. he's being picky. Sort of like taking a stand against using sesame seeds on a big mac bun because they don't help the sandwich much and get stuck in yer teeth.



What's the difference?
If he was arguing for the sake of arguing, he would say to get rid of the turn based battle system, or something that would piss off alot of people. He merely said something that not many can get too pissed about.


@snakeeyes:

Really what you are talking about IS a pretty minor detail and not game breaking, I agree with you there. Most current fans will not throw the game away if they decided to ash-can the honorifics,

I could see exactly that happening. If Atlus USA were to drop honorifics entirely for the localization for Persona 5, the "die hard" fans would most certainly be in an UPROAR. People throw bitchfits over the most minor of things.
This is the truth. I've seen people ragequit an MMO just because they took out an item from the cash shop, or balanced an overpowered class.

[Evilkinggumby]

Ok, so?
If they're not game breaking, why would you want to be rid of them?

You're just arguing for the sake of argument here.

Now now he's not arguing for argument's sake.. he's being picky. Sort of like taking a stand against using sesame seeds on a big mac bun because they don't help the sandwich much and get stuck in yer teeth.



What's the difference?
If he was arguing for the sake of arguing, he would say to get rid of the turn based battle system, or something that would piss off alot of people. He merely said something that not many can get too pissed about.


@snakeeyes:

Really what you are talking about IS a pretty minor detail and not game breaking, I agree with you there. Most current fans will not throw the game away if they decided to ash-can the honorifics,

I could see exactly that happening. If Atlus USA were to drop honorifics entirely for the localization for Persona 5, the "die hard" fans would most certainly be in an UPROAR. People throw bitchfits over the most minor of things.
This is the truth. I've seen people ragequit an MMO just because they took out an item from the cash shop, or balanced an overpowered class.

Yeah i am sure there will be folk that throw a hissy about it and stuff, but I am banking on the notion the game would still sell about as well as previously. Even those piss-n-moaners will become divided and break down and buy it if the game itself(despite the lack of honorifics) reviews and is spoken for as being every bit as good(or better) then previous persona games.

Yes there will always be those that ragequit games for petty singular reasons, but do you honestly think the majority of gamers are like this? Has this become the norm rather then the exception? Dear god I hope not...

[Iris]

I frankly expect them to drop the honorifics in P5. They didn't keep them around for the P1 port.

[Olethros]

Ok, so?
If they're not game breaking, why would you want to be rid of them?

You're just arguing for the sake of argument here.

Now now he's not arguing for argument's sake.. he's being picky. Sort of like taking a stand against using sesame seeds on a big mac bun because they don't help the sandwich much and get stuck in yer teeth.



What's the difference?

Damnit I've run out of whitty comebacks. Maybe Olethros will have one.. hehe..

Nope, I've got nothing. Which actually makes this post entirely meaningless. Of course, some may argue that all my posts are essentially meaningless so perhaps this is to be expected. So, you know, there's always that...

[Evilkinggumby]

Ok, so?
If they're not game breaking, why would you want to be rid of them?

You're just arguing for the sake of argument here.

Now now he's not arguing for argument's sake.. he's being picky. Sort of like taking a stand against using sesame seeds on a big mac bun because they don't help the sandwich much and get stuck in yer teeth.



What's the difference?

Damnit I've run out of whitty comebacks. Maybe Olethros will have one.. hehe..

Nope, I've got nothing. Which actually makes this post entirely meaningless. Of course, some may argue that all my posts are essentially meaningless so perhaps this is to be expected. So, you know, there's always that...

and yet your "nothing" is 10X wittier then my "something" .. damn you supergenius's!!!

I think Persona 5 needs a dastardly antagonist modeled after Olethros, who is almost always 3 steps ahead of the group until the very last chapter of the game where, as he is about to crush the protagonists team to death in bloody horrific splendor...

he gets hit by a random meteor and, the explosion sucking the team into a wormhole that drops them right back at the start of the game with no memory of what just happened... nyahahahahah....

[Raptorg]

A few metal riffs would be nice in the instrumentals.

Unavoidable Battle is borderline metal. But I'd still say is a rock track.


I don't think the soundtrack would go wrong with a power metal track as an important battle theme.
Some fast riffs and bombastic orchestration really gives that epic feeling to a boss battle..

Ameno Sagiri's theme was close. But it did lack fast riffs, but the keys were good, and the techno sounds really did add drive to a mid-paced instrumental.
But I'd like to see some speed being pushed for such a theme. More speed, more drive, more epicness.
Naturally, I don't expect neo-classical shredding. But something along the lines of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K9xe39zWLY I could seriously dig in Persona.

Though such a thing would only really work on a boss like Ameno Sagiri or the Strega members, where you really have that hope thing going on, where you feel like "Alright, this is it. Let's win this".
While against bosses like Nyx or Izanami it's more like "Not sure if we're going to prevail, but we'll do our best for the sake of the world".

Maybe I'm just a little biased, since I'm a power metal fan, and I'm a slave to fast guitar riffs.
I do realize such a thing isn't immediately Meguro's style.. But he's versatile enough to pull it off.

[DarkRPGMaster]

I frankly expect them to drop the honorifics in P5. They didn't keep them around for the P1 port.
You mean the port of a game that didn't have the honorifics to begin with?

[Saburo Hikari]

Yes there will always be those that ragequit games for petty singular reasons, but do you honestly think the majority of gamers are like this? Has this become the norm rather then the exception? Dear god I hope not...I don't know if this counts, but there are people who won't get a game no matter how awesome it is just because it has no Trophies/Achievements. Valkyria Chronicles is the easiest example since there are no Trophies, but there are in-game medals. You just can't put those useless ego stickers on your profile.

[Snakeyes]

Beyond immersion, I think the honorifics are something they regard with a sense of pride and taking them off just to Americanize, or simplify, the language could be seen as a slap at Japanese culture. I am native American, so, similar to the japanese, I take a lot of pride and ownership in my culture, and I am offended and hurt when I see executives making what they think is a pretty unimportant decision, but in actuality is stripping away one more detail about a minority. Taking away the honorifics and telling the Japanese " we don't see them as important or necessary" is really REALLY insensitive.

But this is the English version of the game.

In addition, within the concept of escalation, this can lead to more extreme nitpicking like: why not change the discussions about food to more common, easily recognized dishes. Replace pictures on the walls and in posters with english words/photo's instead of the hiragana/katakana(i am sorry i botched these, it's been years since I tool classes in Japanese). Move the location to a local Japanese neighborhood in Anycity, USA? I mean what you are asking for is a way to open the franchise to more gamers and make it more appealing and understandable to the general audience, but with THAT as a goal it would also mean revising the entire game to meet that end, and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it would lead to some bland, lame, stunted version of the game most of us know and love. I have to respect Atlus for choosing NOT to homogenize their games like this, it undercuts their profitability but at the same time they survive well enough and they can keep a sense of pride in everything they make and localize(that's a hats off to you, Atlus USA).


That's too extreme. Food, names and other specific objects don't need to be translated. Yukatas, takoyaki and Golden Weeks are exotic. Kuns remind me of keikakus (tranlator's note: keikaku means plan) and make me cringe. Just play The World Ends With You if you haven't already. You'll see what I mean.

I could see exactly that happening. If Atlus USA were to drop honorifics entirely for the localization for Persona 5, the "die hard" fans would most certainly be in an UPROAR. People throw bitchfits over the most minor of things.
That's the same crowd that bitched and moaned for months after Square decided to leave the Japanese voice track out of the English version of FF XIII. The game was still a million seller.


I frankly expect them to drop the honorifics in P5. They didn't keep them around for the P1 port.
You mean the port of a game that didn't have the honorifics to begin with? I'm sure that the Japanese version of the game had them.

[DarkRPGMaster]

You know what I mean. The ORIGINAL US released didn't have them.

[Iris]

Dude, the original US release was so completely different in attitude towards localization as to be completely irrelevant in this conversation.

[Elexq]

You know I'd kind of like to see some more variety with the main party personas. That is, I'd like to see something of a throwback to P1 and 2 where party members could equip multiple or different persona in some fashion. I don't want to ditch the main characters 'wild card' ability though, I think that's rather neat, but maybe each character has 2 arcana they're compatible with or something like being able to equip 'sub' persona that can contribute stats or extra skills/passive abilities?

I dunno, something a little different than "Main character = God, Everyone else gets 1 and an eventual upgrade". Even like just 1 other character than can switch between 2 or 3 or something.

I suppose I'd just like to see the formula played with a little more. And optional characters again. ;9

[DarkRPGMaster]

Dude, the original US release was so completely different in attitude towards localization as to be completely irrelevant in this conversation.
Then why did you bring it up to begin with?

[Evilkinggumby]

I don't know if this counts, but there are people who won't get a game no matter how awesome it is just because it has no Trophies/Achievements. Valkyria Chronicles is the easiest example since there are no Trophies, but there are in-game medals. You just can't put those useless ego stickers on your profile.

Hm.. you make a good and frightening point. That scary fact could play a factor(though I would hope a very minor one) in P5 getting achievement unlockables over time. Granted it would be kind of kool to have the game for say, the xbox 360, designed so when you achieve certain things you unlock "pet" persona for your avatar, or current/retro persona character outfits for them. Hell i'd beat the game 3x if it meant i would have an "invoker" from p3 to watch my avatar use once in a while at the main screen :lol:

before anyone gets all console war-like, i was just dreaming, I don't actually expect it to happen. :)

Still in terms of what you are saying, I am hoping it is more the minority that avoid games with less or no achievements then the majority. I don't know Myself, I personally could give a rats tail about them. :)

@Snakeyes

Kuns remind me of keikakus (tranlator's note: keikaku means plan) and make me cringe. Just play The World Ends With You if you haven't already. You'll see what I mean.

It sounds like the whole background for your opinion on this is the fact this word reminds you of something else, and you found such relief in it not being in that one game that you are pushing for it always. That's not something that can really be debated or argued, and is not worth the time or effort to really discuss. it is a deep and personal opinion you and possibly a scant few others have, and you are more then welcome to it. So I'll say have fun with that and i'll let other folk piss and moan at you about how you're wrong or right or.. whatever. lol.

@Raptorg:

I don't think the soundtrack would go wrong with a power metal track as an important battle theme.
Some fast riffs and bombastic orchestration really gives that epic feeling to a boss battle..


Yeah seeing a bit of a metal-esque edge added to some music would be kool. I don't rightly expect it as I've never really heard any hard rock/metal come out of Japan that didn't sound slightly hackneyed or cheesy. I think the best was the weird music in FFX when Sin attacked the blitzball game at the opening cinematic to the game. That had a slight STatic X feel, and was generally kool. Otherwise.. most everything else.. lacking. I did like a few of the guitarish tracks in p3 though. Even if they went sort of Industrial or sort of rap-rock fusion it'd be kool. at least if it suited the moment in the game.
I wouldn't want them to go all swedish orchestral metal or progressive rock on it.. that'd end up making me laugh. lol.

It would depend on the general tone and theme of P5 really. If it was again in a city or generally metropolitan area I would expect something more urban, hip hop, rap, or techno. If it went outside, say to the suburbs, they could go all over the place with the tone. If it was more gritty and dark in tone, industrial and metal would suit it, but if it was filled with the bleak optimism at saving the world.. it'd likely be similar to what has been done previously. hehe..we'll see. kool facet to discuss though. :)

[Raptorg]

@Raptorg:

I don't think the soundtrack would go wrong with a power metal track as an important battle theme.
Some fast riffs and bombastic orchestration really gives that epic feeling to a boss battle..


Yeah seeing a bit of a metal-esque edge added to some music would be kool. I don't rightly expect it as I've never really heard any hard rock/metal come out of Japan that didn't sound slightly hackneyed or cheesy. I think the best was the weird music in FFX when Sin attacked the blitzball game at the opening cinematic to the game. That had a slight STatic X feel, and was generally kool. Otherwise.. most everything else.. lacking. I did like a few of the guitarish tracks in p3 though. Even if they went sort of Industrial or sort of rap-rock fusion it'd be kool. at least if it suited the moment in the game.
I wouldn't want them to go all swedish orchestral metal or progressive rock on it.. that'd end up making me laugh. lol.

It would depend on the general tone and theme of P5 really. If it was again in a city or generally metropolitan area I would expect something more urban, hip hop, rap, or techno. If it went outside, say to the suburbs, they could go all over the place with the tone. If it was more gritty and dark in tone, industrial and metal would suit it, but if it was filled with the bleak optimism at saving the world.. it'd likely be similar to what has been done previously. hehe..we'll see. kool facet to discuss though. :)

Epic and cheesy go hand in hand.
I'd say, the cheesier, the better.

But in the end, all that orchestration doesn't really seem to fit with Persona.
Orchestration only really works in games that have an epic setting, where you travel all around the world. Persona just isn't that. I could expect some industrial metal, but I sure hope not.
Hard Rock has been done to a certain degree in Unavoidable Battle, so there's hope for some semi-heavy guitar riffs.

I would still encourage the boss tracks with guitar leads as opposed to vocals.
It's one thing nobody goes wrong with. Though it's something everybody seems to be doing.

I expect more j-pop for the city roaming, it fits well.
But fights need a certain kind of intensity rock music brings.

[Iris]

Dude, the original US release was so completely different in attitude towards localization as to be completely irrelevant in this conversation.
Then why did you bring it up to begin with?

I didn't bring up the original US release, you did. I brought up a recent release within the series that could be indicative of their current localization approach, given how they retranslated the entire game from scratch.

[DarkRPGMaster]

But you still brought it up to begin with. Did you REALLY think that bringing up the P1 remake wouldn't bring up the original P1? Did you REALLY think that!?

[Dim Locator]

But you still brought it up to begin with. Did you REALLY think that bringing up the P1 remake wouldn't bring up the original P1? Did you REALLY think that!?

I love how you're not addressing his point and just bringing something more or less irrelevant into the conversation to further it.

NICE!

A decent counter point would be that its a PSP Port of a much smaller game that's expected to pull less sales so they didn't use as much effort in the localization (smaller team). Of course who knows if that's true... But its a start.

[DarkRPGMaster]

Eh, I was bored at the time. Just wanted to see his/her reaction...which I never got. But yes, was a much smaller team originally, plus it's easier to change minor things in the text, like names of places/locations.

[Iris]

IIIIIII think it's pretty obvious that P1's old localization has no bearing on what they're doing now, that's all. I am also willing to concede that just because they chose not to use honorifics in P1 doesn't mean they won't use them in P5, but their lack there also says to me that consistently getting that IT'S LIKE I'M REALLY JAPANESE! bonus throughout the series may not be such a priority, and it's possible that they're trying to move back away from it and just keep things to plain English.

(I admit I'm kind of confused about that last bit, though -- about it being easier to change minor bits of text like names/locations? Because I don't know if this is what you're going for, but I interpret that as "P1 had an easier localization job because it was done on PS1 already and they just had to change names," which isn't really how it worked.)

(and as for the pronouns, I know there are no girls on the internets, I kind of felt like my screenname was girly enough to nip gender confusion in the bud. XD)

[Saburo Hikari]

Catherine's screenshots have me hoping that Persona 5 will look as good as that too.

[Evilkinggumby]

Catherine's screenshots have me hoping that Persona 5 will look as good as that too.

Pretty safe bet that is a good indication, so yeah it would likely look as good as that, and i would say in some spots, better. considering some of the persona they will need to render out in fair detail, it should be a blast seeing how they get upgraded visually.

Changing topic a bit.. A friend of mine just released an EP cd (http://aetherius.bandcamp.com/) that is very reminiscent of the type of music in the persona games. It has a haunting, creepy, and sometimes whimsical edge to it. Not to say this stuff is on par with what is professionally composed for the game.. but I could imagine hearing some of these themes in a persona game, like P5. The music is free to listen to on the site. Mostly instrumental, cept the weird last track about pie.. lol...

[Lelouch31]

I think there's a pretty good chance that P5 will probably use the same game engine as Catherine. Hopefully they will redesign some of the demons and give them a new look for P5 and other future megaten titles. Now if P5 is announce to have an adult cast like Catherine and P2:EP I will be so happy.

[Saburo Hikari]

It'd also be great if Persona 5 featured cinematic cut-scenes. While I do like the way cut-scenes are presented in Persona 3 and 4, it'd still be nice to have a change and see more dynamic camera angles, body language, even the expressions on the character models themselves.

[Azure]

:DOk i just read a few reports from E3 and they said Atlus said there will be a Persona 5 and will be making the jump to either Playstation 3 Or XBox 360
(Xbox360 would suck tho). Im trying to figure out if this is true.And if it is when can we know for sure because I will go out and buy a next gen consule for this game but I don't want to buy the wrong one!!!
One more thing which one does everyone think it should come out on???:o

really?:frown::frown::frown:
still hope P5 release for PS2 :agree::agree::agree:

[Raptorg]

:DOk i just read a few reports from E3 and they said Atlus said there will be a Persona 5 and will be making the jump to either Playstation 3 Or XBox 360
(Xbox360 would suck tho). Im trying to figure out if this is true.And if it is when can we know for sure because I will go out and buy a next gen consule for this game but I don't want to buy the wrong one!!!
One more thing which one does everyone think it should come out on???:o

really?:frown::frown::frown:
still hope P5 release for PS2 :agree::agree::agree:

Not gonna happen.
If not the PS3/Xbox 360.. Or god forbid the Wii, it's going to be the PSP or DS.

[Onion of Mystery]

:DOk i just read a few reports from E3 and they said Atlus said there will be a Persona 5 and will be making the jump to either Playstation 3 Or XBox 360
(Xbox360 would suck tho). Im trying to figure out if this is true.And if it is when can we know for sure because I will go out and buy a next gen consule for this game but I don't want to buy the wrong one!!!
One more thing which one does everyone think it should come out on???:o

really?:frown::frown::frown:
still hope P5 release for PS2 :agree::agree::agree:

Please check the date on the posts you're replying to. News from E3 two years ago is no longer news.

[Kenji]

Up to this point, I considered the Wii or a handheld the most likely candidates for future Atlus releases. Now, those aren't necessarily out of the running, but I think the existence of Catherine as a PS3/360 title, combined with the Japanese branch's increasing concern for the Western market (see Strange Journey) and tendency to reuse resources, drastically increases the likelihood of a series of multiplatform MegaTen games.

Of course, nothing is known for sure until it happens, but now I'd be far less surprised if "Persona 5" ends up on both the PS3 and 360, especially if Catherine performs within expectations, especially overseas (I really think it being on the 360 at all is a nod toward an American release).

[TayIor]

So, the only thing that is confirmed is that Persona 5 is in the making, correct?
Other than that it's hopes for what it'll be like?
Although I doubt it will be on the 360, Persona games have been Sony exclusive all this time, haven't they?
I suppose it wouldn't be very hard for them to change that, though.

[Lelouch31]

So, the only thing that is confirmed is that Persona 5 is in the making, correct?
Other than that it's hopes for what it'll be like?
Although I doubt it will be on the 360, Persona games have been Sony exclusive all this time, haven't they?
I suppose it wouldn't be very hard for them to change that, though.
A lot of third parties are going multiplat this gen. It just better for business to do that unlike last gen where the PS2 had the majority of the 3rd party support in the palm of its hand. Besides the main SMT been on Nintendo mostly, yet SMT3 (aka Nocturne) came to the PS2. So Atlus isn't shy about that kind of stuff.

Anyway I see future megaten titles on the PS3/360 and the 3DS for now on.

[samuraiashe@yahoo.com]

I've heard a lot of people talk about not wanting a Persona 5 to be released...however my first persona game (Persona 3 Fes) I just beat about 2 days ago...I beat Persona 3 in about 70hrs and Fes in 31hrs... and I've never played the 4th Persona game...was the 4th that bad that people don't want a Persona 5. Persona 3 to me was really cool and had a very cool ending...Fes though (thank God that it wasn't as long as Persona 3) They lead you on through the entire thing...even toward the end of the game even at the very end of the game...I'm like finally where going to go back and rescue the hero...
where going to use the key on his door...Oh wait...@#%#$ what no don't open that door what the Heck...now all of a sudden everyone is like yeah where glad that dumb ^*&%& is dead...yep sorry sucker sacrificed himself for us...we should leave him there...Yep cause if we went back big mother Nix would kill us all...(Obviously I wanted to get the main Character back from Persona 3 and save him by going into the past) I do get that both Persona 3 main character and Aigis both had wild cards...Persona 3 MC was used to seal nix away and He died for it. Aigis's wild card allowed her to become human...(Sort of working while having her vital curcuits fried) (She is still a freaking robot she still has robot parts...(Maybe her name should have been Chi from the anime Chobits...) Funny that The main character of persona 3 died and Aigis lived both became really tired yet Aigis lived...I would have rather them both die then to have Aigis to be the only one to make it out of it. Well enough ranting what do you all think...:)

[Evilkinggumby]

I've heard a lot of people talk about not wanting a Persona 5 to be released.. Well enough ranting what do you all think...:)

You start wondering about why folk don't want a sequel, then end ranting about stuff you didn't really enjoy about Persona 3.. lol... fascinating.

I would recommend giving your time and money and attention to persona 4 if you liked p3 at all. it's a great game, a worthy sequel and a fun story to work through. You won't see a lot of direct ties between the games, but it has it's moments, and when they happen it's great fun to see.

I am still hoping for an eventual Persona 5, but really I think a lot of the haters who are against it are mostly so because they want atlus to make a few other SMT sequels first. or they're just burnt out on Persona.. hehe.

[lokaos]

Anyway I see future megaten titles on the PS3/360 and the 3DS for now on.

3 SMT games are coming for the 3DS based on E3 upcoming games for that handheld and one of them is called Persona,whether it is a remake of Persona 1 we nev..... who am I kidding,most probably it is but I hope its Persona 5

[iLLMaTiC619]

I hope Persona 5 is really long number 1..with all the data you could put on a ps3 game, I would like alot of side quests and length to go along with the main story. Also when the MC dies you should be able to still play..like they did in Persona 1. Can't wait to see screen shots for Persona 5 hopefully in the months to come

[Sanger Zonvolt]

My hope is P5 will be less like P3 and P4, and more like P2.

A man can dream can't he.:frown:

[iLLMaTiC619]

My hope is P5 will be less like P3 and P4, and more like P2.

A man can dream can't he.:frown:

like I said in my other post I'm waiting for my Persona 2 in the mail, but I love Persona 1 on my PSP so if it's like Persona1 I'm happy. I love Persona 3 and 4 I have a feeling it will be more like P3&P4 though. But I hope it's a mix of all of them. I want them to equip guns on P5 too! lol

[King9999]

My hope is P5 will be less like P3 and P4, and more like P2.

A man can dream can't he.:frown:

I guess that depends. There are some things I don't care for in P2, like the whole process of collecting cards to summon Personas. Really slows down the game, IMO. P3 and 4 handled that much better.

[Elexq]

It's doubtful they'd return to that. More than likely it will be a return to P3/P4 style cast with most characters having a fixed persona and the main being able to summon up and change between multiple.

[PhantomPersona]

My hope is P5 will be less like P3 and P4, and more like P2.

A man can dream can't he.:frown:

I guess that depends. There are some things I don't care for in P2, like the whole process of collecting cards to summon Personas. Really slows down the game, IMO. P3 and 4 handled that much better.

Couldn't agree more.

[Firethefireball]

wish p5 would have more cutscenes... i mean, MORE :)

[Shunsuke]

I hope Persona 5 is mind blowing I would really like to be able to create my player if they add it in and have a story like P3 I will be happy.

[renkel76]

I just want the option of a girl or boy in the next game!
You know how badly I wanted to date Kanji, Yosuke and Teddy in Persona 5?!!!
Oh, you don't even know the half of it!
I loved the 4th game's style and the fighting system was colorful and fun for me, but the social linking was always from a guy's point of view! I just sat their laughing at how stupid boys can be and wondered what the girls were doing half of the time.
I hope they make the option! It would take some time, but I would buy it definately! I would buy a PS3 just for that game! Please Atlus! Please make it!
Onegai Shimasu!

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Also, I would like there to not be a super creepy guy in the game that breathes weird, stalks girls, has a shadow that is a creepy floating baby, Please.
Yeah I could not wait to defeat that thing! It was worth all the leveling up!
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Long story short! Want a girl/boy option, and no creepers :D ...Please

[Shapashtu]

Well, since everyone's fantasizing about the next game, these are the things I would like to see in P5:

-either a female protagonist or an option to choose between a male and a female. Don't look at me that way! I can dream!

-I know it's very high-school centric, but I would love to play as college students, the major/classes you choose could determine your stats

-the return of social links, being able to choose between romance or friendship, having the choice of two people with the same arcanum (like music and drama class in P4)

-choices you make in conversation have the potential to raise one of your attributes (Courage, Expression, etc) like in P4

-direct control over your party members, please

- story-wise, I'd like something more along the lines of P2: EP. I still like P3s' story and P4 was sort of P2-esque, but neither of them reached the level of WTFery that EP did for me

I think basically what I want is P4, but darker and edgier.

As for systems, I would like to see it on PS3 and then maybe port it to PSP or PSP 2 (or whichever portable system is popular at the time). I don't have any of the current gen "big" consoles, but I always keep up-to-date with the portable systems.

So, yeah, there's my pipe dream, but other posts in this thread have interesting ideas too.

[Tinglemies]

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Also, I would like there to not be a super creepy guy in the game that breathes weird, stalks girls, has a shadow that is a creepy floating baby, Please.
Yeah I could not wait to defeat that thing! It was worth all the leveling up!
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Long story short! Want a girl/boy option, and no creepers :D ...Please

You do know that most of the (male) Persona players are like this. Personally I think it would be just pure awesomesauce if P5 had a creepy nerd as one of the main characters and he could dated when playing as a girl. In the story of P4 the biggest let-down was how Mitsuo was represented in the game. Like when the party had saved him, there should have been a scene where Yukiko would embrace him gently patting his head saying: "You'll never have to be alone again, we'll be your friends from now on."

It never happened ;_;

[Asch-no-Okami]

They should put Agnostos Theos in there.

[Evilkinggumby]

http://www.botcolony.com/

For those not wanting to click: this is a new game where it is built using a natural english language scripting system and AI that will detect spoken word, convert it to simple english text, and script your commands, thus allowing "bots" in the game to perform tasks based on what you requested. It also uses a txt to speech engine so the bots chat back with you. I feared it would be like a few similar games we have seen on older systems that used speech to command characters, but this looks to be a lot more natural, accurate, and adaptive.

I love this. A while back in these threads I talked about some of what I thought would be kool to implement in Persona 5. One of those details was in regards to text vs voiced characters, and the possibility of using a text-to-speech engine that would synthesize your MC's phrases as you selected them, with several "voice" options possible.

This would be a very kool evolution to that. Imagine actually physically "telling" your teammates what to do in a fight, then calling the name of the persona and spell you want them to use, and having the game detect, script, and enact that without a problem. :) when you have given all your commands, you simply say "go!" and the round of combat kicks in.

the tough part is, the vocal processing and interpretation for this game, botcolony, is done in a serverfarm out in the ether, so in order for the game to work, you need to be connected to the web and depending on lag, response time is likely an issue. traditionally persona games are offline(aside from the mmo i gues, and some phone games? not sure) so making a semi-online game would be.. risky.

still.. for folk like me who love to dream about what would be kool to do.. this implemented would get me excited.

[Onion of Mystery]

For those not wanting to click: this is a new game where it is built using a natural english language scripting system and AI that will detect spoken word, convert it to simple english text, and script your commands, thus allowing "bots" in the game to perform tasks based on what you requested.

Let's hope voice recognition has moved on since the days of Lifeline.

"Fire the gun!" --> "Okay, I'm running!":mad:

[Evilkinggumby]

For those not wanting to click: this is a new game where it is built using a natural english language scripting system and AI that will detect spoken word, convert it to simple english text, and script your commands, thus allowing "bots" in the game to perform tasks based on what you requested.

Let's hope voice recognition has moved on since the days of Lifeline.

"Fire the gun!" --> "Okay, I'm running!":mad:

thats why i said "I feared it would be like a few similar games we have seen on older systems that used speech to command characters, but this looks to be a lot more natural, accurate, and adaptive. "

I am betting it'll have odd bugs like that, but it seems to also "echo" what it hears you say(essentially it detects speech, converts it to text, interprets it, as well as repeating your sentence back by then converting the text to speech) and I would hope it had a "stop" command if it hears you wrong. From what the details read, the game is also designed to help folk get used to speaking clearly, in detail, and in a literal fashion. Because of this, that particular game is getting a grant from some Canadian Government program to assist in it's development.

I like the direction this could lead, mostly, if it proves well designed and functional enough. We are on the fringe of motion capture trying to bring a more natural, interactive and intuitive way to play games. The xbox 360 already has some(though sketchy) voice recognition added to it's kinect. Advancement like this could prove fascinating in the years to come.

[Aeroxe]

Persona 5 is probably my most anticipated game yet. Having played Persona 3 and 4 multiple times, my biggest hope for the game would be an awesome, especially thought-provoking stroyline like the others with believable characters and intelligent symbols and metaphors. I am fine with the high-school concept.....College wouldn't be so bad either.

As for gameplay, I would suggest making it so that social links would have an effect on what happens in the story and sim events. Say for instance, if you become good friends with a fellow club athlete he could possibly be shown in certain story events, and help gain stats. Now speaking of social links, I feel as if there should be some sort of meter telling you how many points you need to advance to the next social link level. "Your relationship could become stronger soon" sort of isn't very realistic...Neither is the meter but it's better than seeing that quote over and over again. You don't "feel" relationships.

I also feel as if the social link system was a bit too stale. It would be better to make social links not just by hanging out, but through cell-phones, parties, school events, and just by making a convo while on an average day.

I actually enjoyed the calender system a lot. Maybe if there were some more early morning and lesson sequences or the choice to stay up to very very late night would make the game seam more realistic. They would be short...like whether deciding to go to basketball team in the morning or study or sleep longer or go to the city and explore would be nice.

Even though I thoroughly enjoyed the battle system....maybe if it was able to keep its turn-based properties but have positioning as a new concept. Say for instance, in a turn you could move a character, and then use a skill which could be placed not just on the shadow but on maybe an area right in front of it (like a trap!) The next turn, if that shadow moves to that area it will feel the effects of the trap. I would also like all ma-skills to affect a certain area...not just all shadows. This sort of concept would push the heavy strategic combat of persona games even further. And time could be an awesome feature too! Casting spells takes more time than slashing with a knife...so turn orders would be according to cast time.

[Snakeyes]

Persona 5 is probably my most anticipated game yet. Having played Persona 3 and 4 multiple times, my biggest hope for the game would be an awesome, especially thought-provoking stroyline like the others with believable characters and intelligent symbols and metaphors. I am fine with the high-school concept.....College wouldn't be so bad either.

As for gameplay, I would suggest making it so that social links would have an effect on what happens in the story and sim events. Say for instance, if you become good friends with a fellow club athlete he could possibly be shown in certain story events, and help gain stats. Now speaking of social links, I feel as if there should be some sort of meter telling you how many points you need to advance to the next social link level. "Your relationship could become stronger soon" sort of isn't very realistic...Neither is the meter but it's better than seeing that quote over and over again. You don't "feel" relationships.

I also feel as if the social link system was a bit too stale. It would be better to make social links not just by hanging out, but through cell-phones, parties, school events, and just by making a convo while on an average day.

I actually enjoyed the calender system a lot. Maybe if there were some more early morning and lesson sequences or the choice to stay up to very very late night would make the game seam more realistic. They would be short...like whether deciding to go to basketball team in the morning or study or sleep longer or go to the city and explore would be nice.

I agree with all of this except the setting, as I still feel that it's time to move away from the high school/college/university students for a bit. S. Link could be even better if some had an effect on your party members in battle. For example, you could "harden" a character's personality during your conversations and his or her Persona will become more offense-based as a result.

Even though I thoroughly enjoyed the battle system....maybe if it was able to keep its turn-based properties but have positioning as a new concept. Say for instance, in a turn you could move a character, and then use a skill which could be placed not just on the shadow but on maybe an area right in front of it (like a trap!) The next turn, if that shadow moves to that area it will feel the effects of the trap. I would also like all ma-skills to affect a certain area...not just all shadows. This sort of concept would push the heavy strategic combat of persona games even further. And time could be an awesome feature too! Casting spells takes more time than slashing with a knife...so turn orders would be according to cast time.

That sounds like an evolution of the first Persona's battle system. DO NOT WANT.

[Kenji]

Okay, I'm just gonna say it. :P

Persona has always been just one set of spandex away from being a Super Sentai game. So, for one dungeon (I won't ask for a whole game), I want to see them go all the way with that for kicks. Spandex bodysuits, helmets, posing and colored explosions, and a giant combining robot. Full parody mode, of course.

I wanna see that, just once. :)

[Olethros]

I'll admit at first I was about to say no thanks to that idea. However, the more I've thought about it the more it makes sense. So I second Kenji's idea.

[Aeroxe]

Anyone think that P5 should evolutionize on the tired/normal/great status? and possibly have a hunger/thirst/bathroom thing? Just some random ideas that I've never thought about...thoughts anyway?

And btw, my battle system idea (positioning) was the only idea that I could think of that would keep Persona's turn based battles and add a little spice to it....Obviously the Persona team will eventually need to create a more engaging battle system(even though it is already so much engaging right now)

[DarkRaiiin]

I want, but I have yet to even play P4. D:

[ChaosHearts]

My hope is P5 will be less like P3 and P4, and more like P2.

A man can dream can't he.:frown:

Honestly, I'd really like it to, instead of being one or the other, or just something new entirely, incorporate the good and great elements of both. I could see it happening, if they really tried to make it work.

Alternatively, I'd just like to see more Persona users and choices running around. A wider pool of characters to make your potential party out of, all of which are unique and different enough to make it worth wanting to try to get them all, even if it takes multiple playthroughs. Lots of endings and story paths. More depth and character exploration. And yeah, I WOULD like to see the return of double protagonists, but as I said in the P4P thread, there needs to be enough differences, while still keeping the overall story and plot, to warrant that.

That kind of thing - as far as gameplay goes, I think the battle system's pretty good as it is. It's the out of battle that needs all the tinkering.

[total_overdose]

My list of things I HOPE is in Persona 5 (since I know Atlus USA doesn't develop games):

1) That social links level ups are more similar to Valkyria Chronicles 2 character Potential Level up. The amount of times you use a party member coincides with the level of Social links you can achieve. Honestly, I feel that the current social link style takes way too long to complete and there are too many hoops to jump through to either finish or unlock.

2) Instead of having random non-playable characters as social links, perhaps they can be friends of the main characters, since most people do eventually meet friends of friends. The thing that irked me the most in P3 and P4 was that it seemed that all the other main characters, besides the protagonist, really had no other friends outside the group of persona users, which stuck me as odd as they seemed to participate in activities outside of school.

3) Be able to spend time with multiple people for social links during the day. I think it's highly unrealistic that hanging out with one person takes a large amount of time (After School to Nightfall? I don't think so)

4) That if there is an option for playing as a male or female, that the one not chosen is still integrated into the game.

5) That choices made in social links effect either cutscenes or is acknowledged by the characters. If a link is broken, then maybe the character refuses to be in your party, or if a romantic link is maxed, than they aid you more than other characters.

6) Combo attacks need to come back (ala Persona 2), with power determined on status of social links (romantic, friendship, etc)

Since Persona 1 and 2 are very intertwined, and 3 and 4 are as well, who else thinks that 5 and the eventual 6 will be the same?

[ChaosHearts]

4) That if there is an option for playing as a male or female, that the one not chosen is still integrated into the game.


Agreed with you on pretty much everything but this. In this case, I think the male/female (or just two protagonists, if they're the same gender, vastly different ages, etc.) characters should try to be different stories to an extent. I've played games where the other protagonist is worked in, and in those cases, I rarely want to play, because it's even more like the exact same game than, say, P3P's different modes are.

[ZeroSamurai]

What do think of the persona summoning would be like? do you think they will bring the cards or the gun back?

[hell_snake]

What do think of the persona summoning would be like? do you think they will bring the cards or the gun back?

Why do they need to bring any of that back? They'll most definitely introduce something new.

Maybe each character this time around will have a unique summoning technique...

[Blacklisted]

Each character's persona summoning will probably be as unique as it has been in 3 and 4. There will be a set way to summon the persona (ie evoker to head, destroying card) but each character will just do it in a unique way. I can't wait to see what they come up with for Persona 5.

On another note, do you think they will keep the character portraits for cutscenes? The graphics will either be on par with, or likely better than, Catherine so the portraits probably aren't necessary. However, I feel like they add a lot to the Persona games. Perhaps they will only be used in situations like in dungeons or during social links while story cutscenes are more standard. Also, seeing some Soejima character art in HD would be great. Thoughts?

[Maple]

I wish it was for PS2 lol I don't have enough money to buy another console.
I presonally don't think that Wii is a good console to play RPGs, I think it will be for PS3.

PD: I'm tired of the maze-like dungeons of Persona 4... I want something different and more creative!

[Holunder]

The two things i absolutely hope for in a new persona game is the improving of the current gameplay systems and even more important improving upon the story/character implementation.

Two specific examples would be the calendersystem and the function of sidecharacters.

As how to do it, well not my job :P

[Blizz]

I wonder if they will let you control the attacks of party members, and if its for xbox or ps3 im hoping they will come out with some dlc. Maybe some online multiplayer and im curious about the setting and overall mood of this one. Persona 1 and 2 are mysterious and dark. Persona 3 has a melancholy feel and persona 4 is more upbeat in my opinion. Im hoping Persona 5 is dark mysterious kinda gothic feel like the persona 2 (Innocent sin) opening with the piano.

[aas13ul]

i want p5 on ps3,xbox360,wii,3DS,PSP
i just want to play it so bad, but atlus keep me waiting from 2009.
please just make p5 :frown:

[Raptorg]

I wonder if they will let you control the attacks of party members, and if its for xbox or ps3 im hoping they will come out with some dlc. Maybe some online multiplayer and im curious about the setting and overall mood of this one. Persona 1 and 2 are mysterious and dark. Persona 3 has a melancholy feel and persona 4 is more upbeat in my opinion. Im hoping Persona 5 is dark mysterious kinda gothic feel like the persona 2 (Innocent sin) opening with the piano.

Considering their choice to bring party controls to Persona 3, I'm sure they will, there's no doubt that people responded well to that change when Persona 4 came out which probably resulted in them adding it to P3P.

I just hope it will now start following more into the footsteps of other SMT games and allow you change your alignments depending on the choices you make.
As in, will you use your powers to save the world(good)? To rule the world(neutral)? or outright destroy it(evil)?

Since the MC is capable of tremendous power any ordinary Persona user could only dream of, it's perfectly possble they they would become selfish or evil.
There's no doubt in my mind that a persona user can reach his full potential regardless of the path he chooses, and since Igor is fine with seeing things through with his.. clients, as long as they take responsibility for their actions. I don't see why not.

I'm also still hoping for some P3P DLC of the answer with the changes brought through with P3P. But that's a completely different story.

[Chiyo Mihama]

Yeah, I'd like to see more mainline SMT elements returning to Persona. We could have social links affect the story and gameplay more than what they do now, love interests who catch you cheating will be reluctant to follow orders, and completeing certain social links will open up new endings. I'd also like to be able to assign Personas to party members, with some kind of limitation, like only being able to wield the same arcana and/or having double HP/SP cost for skills.

Also, Persona 5, not with high schooler teenagers, but office young adults.

[jvargasm10]

Please Persona 5 in XBOX360 too ....PLEASEE !!!!!!

[Saburo Hikari]

Please Persona 5 in XBOX360 too ....PLEASEE !!!!!!I wouldn't be surprised considering Catherine is also for Xbox.

And speaking of which, since they just released Catherine, I hope they work on Persona 5 next! :D

[Olethros]

Someone over at a wbesite about Beef, or sumpfin, told me that Atlus Japan has no plans to ever make Persona 5. Not EVAR! :o:surprise::shock:

[Savin877]

All worrying aside about the inevitable release of another Persona game in the future. I for one am excited to see what kind of system they are going to use. Are they going to go back to Persona 1 & 2s style or go with 3/4s? Or are they going to use a new system entirely?

[Saburo Hikari]

Someone over at a wbesite about Beef, or sumpfin, told me that Atlus Japan has no plans to ever make Persona 5. Not EVAR! :o:surprise::shock:OMG NO WAI!!! :shock: Persona 5 was the one game I was looking forward to the most from Atlus, and you guys crushed my hopes of ever getting it! That does it! I'm done with Atlus forever!

;)

[Raptorg]

Yeah, like that's going to happen after Persona 3 and Persona 4's massive success.

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Nothing needs to change, Square Enix bit themselves in the ass, constantly trying to reinvent their prime RPG, see what happened to them, despite the great success, fans are becoming more and more fed up with their attempts at improving something that doesn't need improving.

I'll take a P3/P4 clone over an experiment, there's no need to change that which is perfect.

I just hope it's going to be PS3, PSP or NGP, really..

[Chiyo Mihama]

Yeah, like that's going to happen after Persona 3 and Persona 4's massive success.

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Nothing needs to change, Square Enix bit themselves in the ass, constantly trying to reinvent their prime RPG, see what happened to them, despite the great success, fans are becoming more and more fed up with their attempts at improving something that doesn't need improving.

I'll take a P3/P4 clone over an experiment, there's no need to change that which is perfect.

I just hope it's going to be PS3, PSP or NGP, really..


You'd seriously rather Atlus just rehash P3/P4 again? I feel a good bit of change would be nice.

[aperson]

Yeah, like that's going to happen after Persona 3 and Persona 4's massive success.

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Nothing needs to change, Square Enix bit themselves in the ass, constantly trying to reinvent their prime RPG, see what happened to them, despite the great success, fans are becoming more and more fed up with their attempts at improving something that doesn't need improving.

I'll take a P3/P4 clone over an experiment, there's no need to change that which is perfect.

I just hope it's going to be PS3, PSP or NGP, really..


You'd seriously rather Atlus just rehash P3/P4 again? I feel a good bit of change would be nice.

Yeah, P3/4 are great games, but I'm already feeling the formula is getting a bit stale. I hope they shake things up in the inevitable P5 release.

That's why I love the concept of Catherine. Its Atlus going outside of their comfort zone and trying something new.

[Raptorg]

Yeah, like that's going to happen after Persona 3 and Persona 4's massive success.

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Nothing needs to change, Square Enix bit themselves in the ass, constantly trying to reinvent their prime RPG, see what happened to them, despite the great success, fans are becoming more and more fed up with their attempts at improving something that doesn't need improving.

I'll take a P3/P4 clone over an experiment, there's no need to change that which is perfect.

I just hope it's going to be PS3, PSP or NGP, really..


You'd seriously rather Atlus just rehash P3/P4 again?

Yup.

[aperson]

Yeah, like that's going to happen after Persona 3 and Persona 4's massive success.

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Nothing needs to change, Square Enix bit themselves in the ass, constantly trying to reinvent their prime RPG, see what happened to them, despite the great success, fans are becoming more and more fed up with their attempts at improving something that doesn't need improving.

I'll take a P3/P4 clone over an experiment, there's no need to change that which is perfect.

I just hope it's going to be PS3, PSP or NGP, really..


You'd seriously rather Atlus just rehash P3/P4 again?

Yup.

With that kind of thinking Persona 3/4 would have never been made.

[DarkRPGMaster]

Yeah, like that's going to happen after Persona 3 and Persona 4's massive success.

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Nothing needs to change, Square Enix bit themselves in the ass, constantly trying to reinvent their prime RPG, see what happened to them, despite the great success, fans are becoming more and more fed up with their attempts at improving something that doesn't need improving.

I'll take a P3/P4 clone over an experiment, there's no need to change that which is perfect.

I just hope it's going to be PS3, PSP or NGP, really..

No, those are just the complainers who complain about everything doing that. Anybody with half a brain knows that SE has constantly reinvented Final Fantasy since the beginning.

For example, in Final Fantasy 1 you created your own characters, in Final Fantasy 2 the characters were preset, in Final Fantasy 3 you could choose their class, and in Final Fantasy 4 the characters and classes were preset. Not to mention that it went from turn based to ATB from 3 to 4.

The series has ALWAYS been changing. Also, they're not improving that which needs not improving, they're experimenting to find new ways to do it. Sorta like how the medical field is constantly coming up with new ways to do surgeries and operations.

I'd rather have a company that knows when it's time for innovation rather than one that doesn't change anything.

By the way, the entire SMT series is constantly changing. Look at all the side series. Not a single one is the exact same as the other. I know for a fact that Atlus will try something new with Persona 5, and almost all of us will love it. If you don't, too bad. But Atlus does not need to cater to what they think you want. They will do what they want in order to innovate, and nothing will stop them.

/rant

[Firethefireball]

Yeah, like that's going to happen after Persona 3 and Persona 4's massive success.

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Nothing needs to change, Square Enix bit themselves in the ass, constantly trying to reinvent their prime RPG, see what happened to them, despite the great success, fans are becoming more and more fed up with their attempts at improving something that doesn't need improving.

I'll take a P3/P4 clone over an experiment, there's no need to change that which is perfect.

I just hope it's going to be PS3, PSP or NGP, really..

No, those are just the complainers who complain about everything doing that. Anybody with half a brain knows that SE has constantly reinvented Final Fantasy since the beginning.

For example, in Final Fantasy 1 you created your own characters, in Final Fantasy 2 the characters were preset, in Final Fantasy 3 you could choose their class, and in Final Fantasy 4 the characters and classes were preset. Not to mention that it went from turn based to ATB from 3 to 4.

The series has ALWAYS been changing. Also, they're not improving that which needs not improving, they're experimenting to find new ways to do it. Sorta like how the medical field is constantly coming up with new ways to do surgeries and operations.

I'd rather have a company that knows when it's time for innovation rather than one that doesn't change anything.

By the way, the entire SMT series is constantly changing. Look at all the side series. Not a single one is the exact same as the other. I know for a fact that Atlus will try something new with Persona 5, and almost all of us will love it. If you don't, too bad. But Atlus does not need to cater to what they think you want. They will do what they want in order to innovate, and nothing will stop them.

/rant

Well said

[Manic Expressive]

I want SMT IV PS3. Oh and yeah I guess they owe us a new Persona game too for taking so long on the latter. :p

[Kakizaki]

Yeah, like that's going to happen after Persona 3 and Persona 4's massive success.

---

Nothing needs to change, Square Enix bit themselves in the ass, constantly trying to reinvent their prime RPG, see what happened to them, despite the great success, fans are becoming more and more fed up with their attempts at improving something that doesn't need improving.

I'll take a P3/P4 clone over an experiment, there's no need to change that which is perfect.

I just hope it's going to be PS3, PSP or NGP, really..


You'd seriously rather Atlus just rehash P3/P4 again?

Yup.

With that kind of thinking Persona 3/4 would have never been made.

And to top that off, not everyone thought P3/P4 were perfect...Some people didn't like them at all.

[Blacklisted]

I just cannot wait to see some concept art or anything from Persona 5 so I can get an idea of the tone of the game. Also, if Catherine is anything to go by, Persona 5 is going to be absolutely gorgeous.

I wonder what color Persona 5 will have? Persona 3 blue, Persona 4 yellow, Persona 5 . . .

I cast my vote for green.

[overlordmike]

Someone over at a wbesite about Beef, or sumpfin, told me that Atlus Japan has no plans to ever make Persona 5. Not EVAR! :o:surprise::shock:

yeah just like they SAID there were no plans for Catherine in the us and a week later we hear its going to be released in a few months LOL

[overlordmike]

I just cannot wait to see some concept art or anything from Persona 5 so I can get an idea of the tone of the game. Also, if Catherine is anything to go by, Persona 5 is going to be absolutely gorgeous.

I wonder what color Persona 5 will have? Persona 3 blue, Persona 4 yellow, Persona 5 . . .

I cast my vote for green.


ORANGE RAAAAWWWWR

[Asch-no-Okami]

Persona 5 does sound orange... Or maybe red.

[Blacklisted]

Persona 5 does sound orange... Or maybe red.

They seem to be doing a Red/Black color theme for the Innocent Sin remake though so I don't know if they would double dip. I could live with orange though.
Green is still better

[Asch-no-Okami]

i want p5 on ps3,xbox360,wii,3DS,PSP
i just want to play it so bad, but atlus keep me waiting from 2009.
please just make p5 :frown:

It's a PS3 exclusive. And give them time. It's gonna take a ####load of time to make it, y'know.

[Beast Boy]

P1 remake had a black and gray theme, so I guess it will be either green or orange. Also P3P FeMC was red/pink.

[Akinari]

I wonder what color Persona 5 will have? Persona 3 blue, Persona 4 yellow, Persona 5 . . .

I cast my vote for green.

My heart is heavily set upon pink.

[!!!]

I wonder what color Persona 5 will have? Persona 3 blue, Persona 4 yellow, Persona 5 . . .

I cast my vote for green.

My heart is heavily set upon pink.
But Catherine's theme is pink... :/

[Blacklisted]

But Catherine's theme is pink... :/
http://www.atlus.com/forum/image.php?u=32889&dateline=1299879288

I hope we hear something at E3, the wait is killing me.

[Asch-no-Okami]

It was confirmed last year, so... Yeah. Mid- hopes.

[Axmann]

(Xbox360 would suck tho)
I just stopped reading there. No following content could possibly be worth listening to.

("WAHHH XBOX 360 RUINS EVERYTHING!!!")

Will people ever stop whining about the 360? Ever?

[It's a Pain]

I think it sould be for xbox 360 and Ps3 i got a Xbox 360 but a Love Persona i had a ps2 but could not get the ps3 so got a xbox 360 and now i hear they doing a P5 it sould be for Xbox 360 and PS3 i would buy it for the xbox 360 and ialot of Persona Fan that got a Xbox 360 would do the same so it sould be for the Xbox 360 and PS3 i think it sould :)

[It's a Pain]

I think they should do it on the Xbox 360 and playstation3. Yes, they be doing it on they playstation for a good time but now they cut it off at Persona4. So A Persona fan like me is really happen to know they is going to be a Persona5 now? But think for them Kids out they that can not just go out and just buy a playstation3 just like that? I'm one of them so the should do Persona 5 on Xbox 360 and playstation3 it might cost them more money but Atlus think of the Gamer out the the Atlus Fan u got out they with a Xbox 360 and can not just Buy a playstation3 like that :( cause i want to Play Persona 5 and if u Put it on playstation3 i can not play it. If u put it on playstation2 again the yes i can play it. But if u think about doing it on they new system please put it out on Xbox 360 and playstation3 make me happen everybody that a Persona Fan with a Xbox 360 and everybody that a Persona Fan with a playstation3 make my life alot easy and everybody that a persona Fan with a difference console. Thank You form It's A Pain:)

[Evilkinggumby]

What the...?

Just remember you can edit posts rather than multi post. Especially when you are elaborating a point a bit.

Also keep in mind the choice for platform has likely already been made, but more importantly atlus Japan is the king n ruler. Begging here doesn't help.

But.. I would appreciate the persona 5 game hitting xbox 360 as. Well :).

[It's a Pain]

Thanks feeling better that it might go on to Xbox 360 ^.^ and thank for the info still new here x.x so give me some time and I'll get it

[Raptorg]

And to top that off, not everyone thought P3/P4 were perfect...Some people didn't like them at all.

Not my problem, those people can go suck a cock for all I care.

[Evilkinggumby]

"I feel like chicken tonight.. like chicken tonight..."

Seriously Raptorg, you're usually a bit more elegant then.. that..

[Olethros]

And to top that off, not everyone thought P3/P4 were perfect...Some people didn't like them at all.

Not my problem, those people can go suck a cock for all I care.

I simply cannot wait to see where this ends up going... :lovefirefox:

[LadyRayna]

It won't end up well, that's for sure.

[John Cavil]

And to top that off, not everyone thought P3/P4 were perfect...Some people didn't like them at all.

Not my problem, those people can go suck a cock for all I care.
U mad.

In other news, who here is getting a bit amped for TGS? My (actually, pretty darn accurate!) gut instincts tell me that either Persona 5 or Eternal Punishment will make an appearance at this year's TGS. It's still a ways away, but might as well get excited early.

And DAMN! This fall is gonna be crazy... A crapton of kickass new anime to make up for the travesty that was this summer season... A ton of new games. The fourth season of Fringe, and final season of Chuck. And I'm probably missing a couple dozen things in there too.

[DarkRPGMaster]

*sees Raptorg's comment*

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/cool_dude100/popcorn.gif?t=1241911202

[John Cavil]

*sees Raptorg's comment*

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/cool_dude100/popcorn.gif?t=1241911202
:< Image fail.

[Kakizaki]

And to top that off, not everyone thought P3/P4 were perfect...Some people didn't like them at all.

Not my problem, those people can go suck a cock for all I care.

Your comment was completely unwarranted for more reasons than I care to list. I shouldn't even have to explain why. Think before your little digits start compulsively pounding out such asinine posts next time. Consider that a warning.

[John Cavil]

Old Persona Crowd VS. New Persona Kiddies. Isn't that how it works around here?

I'd sure be nice if, I dunno, you could like both. I dunno. I myself must be one hell of a moron. I like both. ...Sort of. I have a distaste for Persona 3, but hell, I loved the crap out of 4, so that technically slaps me in the middle.

[Kakizaki]

Sure. But there isn't anything wrong with not liking both either. No reason for people to get so completely bent out of shape about it. Individuals can have differing opinions and, you know, still be cool about the whole thing.

[John Cavil]

I think most of us try to be cool about. But you know, War has Changed.

Anyway, this thread's been derailed enough. I wanna ask: What would you guys like to see in Persona 5?

[slayn]

Sure. But there isn't anything wrong with not liking both either. No reason for people to get so completely bent out of shape about it. Individuals can have differing opinions and, you know, still be cool about the whole thing.

I don't think you understand. If you don't like something that I do, then you are fundamentally broken as a person!

[John Cavil]

Sure. But there isn't anything wrong with not liking both either. No reason for people to get so completely bent out of shape about it. Individuals can have differing opinions and, you know, still be cool about the whole thing.

I don't think you understand. If you don't like something that I do, then you are fundamentally broken as a person!
Well, I can't agree with your...basis for assessment, but if your assessment is that he's broken, I happen to be a specialist in that sort of thing. Fixing broken humans is my area of expertise.

http://gtsrider.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/torture-devices.jpg

If you so desire, I'll have him agreeing with everything you have to say in a jiffy.

[aperson]

I'm hoping they switch up the calendar system a bit. I really liked P4 and mildy enjoyed 3, but its been two games now, and a combine 200 hourish of playtime.

I don't I can tolerate another 50-70 hours of that. They're obviously keeping the calendar system, but I hope they make some changes.

edit: haha, I posted the exact same thing a page ago

At least I'm sincere!

[Iris]

Raptorg, I hear that increases your risk of oral cancer, so no thank you. :(

I'm with aperson on the calendar system. I actually found it really fun at first, because it was new and different, but it gets more grating the more I replay it. Granted, I have a lot of games I should start instead of replaying old ones, but sometimes I want to cozy up with an old favorite and bask in the nostalgia...but when I try to do that with P3/4 I end up getting frustrated and ditching it a month in.

The calendar system also imposes some limitations on what can be done with the narrative; it worked well enough in P3, IMO, because the story was written to match, but it felt a little more clumsy to me in P4.

And besides all of that...well, one of the things I like about Persona is the way the series keeps changing things around and coming up with a new way of playing instead of just slapping a new plot on the same mechanics over and over, P3/4 aside (I count P2 as one game here). So I'd like to see something new and exciting instead of seeing it start adhering to the same gameplay formula for every new installment.

[Chiyo Mihama]

What I'd really, really like? Better dungeons. Tartarus was awful if you had to go through it long enough. P4 showed a lot of improvement, with certain 'scripted' floors. What I'd like is to have more of that, along with having a few dungeon not randomized to make them even better.

Some gameplay improvements, party members can be given Personas of their arcana, but with some penalty, maybe double skill MP/HP cost. Should give much more flexibility to the party. Also, make social links and other things affect how party members behave, someone who caught you cheating on them may disobey direct control, or deliberately not support you, etc.

Most of all I'd like to see Philemon and Nyarlathotep again, and multiple endings, more than P3 and P4's bad and good ends.

[Iris]

What I'd really, really like? Better dungeons. Tartarus was awful if you had to go through it long enough. P4 showed a lot of improvement, with certain 'scripted' floors. What I'd like is to have more of that, along with having a few dungeon not randomized to make them even better.

The dungeon layouts were some of my favorite things about Nocturne and DDS, so I wholeheartedly agree here.

I think randomized dungeons can work out okay, but in small doses. Grandia Xtreme handled it well with Starry Corridor, in my opinion; it was a thirty floor randomized dungeon, but those thirty floors were broken up by several dungeons with preset layouts that you had to clear to go further, so you never ended up doing more than five floors or so at a time. And the randomizer had some switches and traps and things, instead of P4's endless long hallways with the occasional small room to break them up.

[Blacklisted]

Well since Catherine is going to be out in all territories by TGS time, and that is their only large budget, HD console effort that we know of now, do you all think they'll opt to show off Persona 5 at the show?

Now that Vita has been announced, I could definitely see them developing P5 for both PS3 and Vita.

[aperson]

I dunno, I thought P4 was one of the better SMT when it comes to dungeons. The repetitive, monotonous nature of them is one of the biggest flaws in this series, period. P3 was probably the worst of the series with 1/2 only slightly above it(the undersea ruins near the end of EP: worst. dungeon. ever.) P4 's dungeons were by far the most aesthetically pleasing, occasionally had gimmicks, had kick-ass music, you only had 10 floors for each dungeon which made sure you'd be done with it before the tedium of repetitiveness kicked in and they were story-relevant locations(highly unusual for an RPG too! which is a plus in my eyes)..... Besides, something like a 1/3rd of the floors aren't even randomized.

So yeah, I'd love it if P5 had, you know, actual dungeon design(Nocturne sort of did).

Well since Catherine is going to be out in all territories by TGS time, and that is their only large budget, HD console effort that we know of now, do you all think they'll opt to show off Persona 5 at the show?

I'm confident we'll see P5 at this TGS. Meguro and Hashino have said on separate occasions that they'd be able to talk about P5 in 2011.

...Then again, I suppose all that patching and rebalancing Catherine for US release must have thrown a wrench in their schedule:/

[apoc_reg]

I need persona 5 in my life :-)

I also think that Atlus should jump on the PS2 to PS3 remake train.

Imagine FES and Persona 4 upscaled to HD and sold as a pack. That would be amazing!!

[LuckysRevenge]

I need persona 5 in my life :-)

I also think that Atlus should jump on the PS2 to PS3 remake train.

Imagine FES and Persona 4 upscaled to HD and sold as a pack. That would be amazing!!

I agree. What would be even cooler is if they took P3P and did an HD Remix but put in all the cutscenes and walking around back in. Basically make it P3:FES but with the additions P3P gave. That would make for an epic PS3 release with P4!

[!!!]

I agree. What would be even cooler is if they took P3P and did an HD Remix but put in all the cutscenes and walking around back in. Basically make it P3:FES but with the additions P3P gave. That would make for an epic PS3 release with P4!
no.
we do not need any more persona 3 remakes.

[John Cavil]

I agree. What would be even cooler is if they took P3P and did an HD Remix but put in all the cutscenes and walking around back in. Basically make it P3:FES but with the additions P3P gave. That would make for an epic PS3 release with P4!
I don't mind 4 that much, but please no moar P3. =_=

[syl]

Hopefully, the next Persona will take place at a college or a more adult setting.
I'm sure the nameless adolescent and his/her intrepid friends need a vacation from saving the world.
EDIT: On second thought, I'd be okay with young adults representing a 40% max demographic of the total playable characters.

[aperson]

I agree. What would be even cooler is if they took P3P and did an HD Remix but put in all the cutscenes and walking around back in. Basically make it P3:FES but with the additions P3P gave. That would make for an epic PS3 release with P4!
no.
we do not need any more persona 3 remakes.


I agree. What would be even cooler is if they took P3P and did an HD Remix but put in all the cutscenes and walking around back in. Basically make it P3:FES but with the additions P3P gave. That would make for an epic PS3 release with P4!
I don't mind 4 that much, but please no moar P3. =_=

Thank you. Seriously.

We've already had a remake, and a remake of that remake, in a 4 year span. jesus, that's square enix territory right there.


No more P3. I don't think there's any death scenes left for them to ruin anyway.

[Onion of Mystery]

But... But what if Junpei died, and Chidori joined you?

Persona 3... IF

[John Cavil]

But... But what if Junpei died, and Chidori joined you?

Persona 3... IF
http://i51.tinypic.com/24xq6ar.png

What have you done?

[Blacksmoke]

I think most of us try to be cool about. But you know, War has Changed.

Anyway, this thread's been derailed enough. I wanna ask: What would you guys like to see in Persona 5?

Dual Audio.

Oh yeah. I went there. Come at me.

[Evilkinggumby]

I think most of us try to be cool about. But you know, War has Changed.

Anyway, this thread's been derailed enough. I wanna ask: What would you guys like to see in Persona 5?

Dual Audio.

Oh yeah. I went there. Come at me.

*yawn* I am starting to think yer a one trick pony....

[John Cavil]

Dual Audio.

Oh yeah. I went there. Come at me.
You know what's another word(s) for a stale joke? A Phil Collins.

[aperson]

But... But what if Junpei died, and Chidori joined you?

Persona 3... IF
:0
The story would.......

..... probably play out the exact same way since that scene is around the time where Junpei loses all plot relevance:-|

And that idea reminded me of something:
Letting you save Shinjiro but NOT letting you use him as a party member was really lame.


But... But what if Junpei died, and Chidori joined you?

Persona 3... IF
http://i51.tinypic.com/24xq6ar.png

What have you done?

DON'T JINX IT

[Raed]

Loving the ideas here!
You know,the best thing about the Persona series now is the way you summon the persona.Out of all the game I guess the 3rd one had the best theme.Shooting oneself with an evoker was probably a brilliant idea and ATlus should some how innovate that aspect in the game again.Some how really.Persona 4 was pretty cool but we cannot deny the Persona 3 had one of the most freakiest battle gameplay.
Hence,I would like them to bring that aspect back to the game.Aside from that,I think that they should always stick with school/college students and not go in the direction of Catherine.
Thats what I got for now.I will probably think of more ideas a little later :)

[Alexkill]

:DOk i just read a few reports from E3 and they said Atlus said there will be a Persona 5 and will be making the jump to either Playstation 3 Or XBox 360
(Xbox360 would suck tho). Im trying to figure out if this is true.And if it is when can we know for sure because I will go out and buy a next gen consule for this game but I don't want to buy the wrong one!!!
One more thing which one does everyone think it should come out on???:o
Well, Let's say there would be a Persona 5, who would be the Main Character. Personally, I think it should be Minato Arisato. The ending of Persona 3 really sucked, with him dying and all. What kind of ending is that! Sheesh. I think Minato should come back or be resurrected or something. From what I know, presently Elizabeth is trying to save from his present fate. Right?

[Sacrosanct]

Speaking of which, is there anything we ACTUALLY KNOW about P5? Like, confirmed characters or anything?
Sorry if it's already been posted, it's 2:20AM and I couldn't find any decent search results.

[Yukichin]

Speaking of which, is there anything we ACTUALLY KNOW about P5? Like, confirmed characters or anything?
Sorry if it's already been posted, it's 2:20AM and I couldn't find any decent search results.

All we know is that it's being developed. Nothing more.

[remstigma]

Major spoiler here, coming from both persona 3 & 4, so yeah, your warned.

Since it's revealed after beating Margret as the ultimate opponent in persona 4 that Elizabeth's reason for leaving the velvet room was to free the P3 protagonists soul from the seal of Nyx, the new persona game should be you playing as elizabeth on said quest. Persona 3 part 2, if you will. Of course it will never happen, but seriously, it would be amazing. Mainly because I always liked Elizabeth.

[Evilkinggumby]

Major spoiler here, coming from both persona 3 & 4, so yeah, your warned.

Since it's revealed after beating Margret as the ultimate opponent in persona 4 that Elizabeth's reason for leaving the velvet room was to free the P3 protagonists soul from the seal of Nyx, the new persona game should be you playing as elizabeth on said quest. Persona 3 part 2, if you will. Of course it will never happen, but seriously, it would be amazing. Mainly because I always liked Elizabeth.

Elizabeth was.. interesting, but I don't know if I could make it through an entire game with her character.. I never got deep enough into things to get the info you are mentioning, but if it's true, it does sound viable for a sequal.. though I'll be pretty disapointed if that is the case. It would give fans a chance to see cameo's (or a reunion) of the old characters, and possibly p4's as well, but then the whole game will be lots of fan service, seeing our old friends in HD, and possibly a bit of expansion to their lives and their worlds....

This is OK but I am still hoping for more original new material myself. I could see Atlus doing what you said, it's likely to sell really well due to the popularity of p3/4, but if they do this kind of work I'd hope there's one HELL of a solid story to make it all work.

[remstigma]

As I said, there is no chance of P5 being this. they'd probably make it another cellphone game or something like they did for "Aegis: The First Mission" (I'll put the link below if you don't know about it) and North America would probably never see the likes of it. Anyways, I never really thought there would be a lot of cameos... After all, Elizabeth left on her own...
I personally thought it would be more of an opportunity for the developers to show us more of the world behind the velvet room, all the mystical things in the persona universe that you wouldn't normally get to see.

link: http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Aegis:_The_First_Mission

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

I want a whole new story and cast of characters, I don't want to reuse any past MC since their "personality" is ultimately given by the player, that's something I would really want in the next game a little bit of "substance" in the main character's attitude even if you still get to choose It's answers, for example the FeMC in P3P was more charismatic and fun to play with than the male character IMO and this comes from a violence loving martial artist male gamer who still had a blast playing with the girly girl and her all pink theme.

Also (And I know I'm gonna receive a lot of hate for this) bring the card skill system from P3P back, seriously, it makes things "easier" (Not necesarly making the game's challenge easier) for me there's no point in spending hours in getting the right combination of skills in your Persona which I found just plain masochist.

That's what I would really like in a new Persona game but as much as I love P3 and P4 game system I'd also like to see a new take on the franchise, maybe something completly different this time around, leaving Social Links and the "Year" time restraint behind, hope we get to see a glimpse of the game soon :(

[Sacrosanct]

To be honest, I'd like a new cast too, but I'd also like Atlus to slowly, but surely reach some sort of conclusion when it comes to the ongoing plot that was started in P3. They already pulled it off in P4, by only giving us a subtle hint as to the continuation of said plot (via Elizabeth's departure from the Velvet Room), they could easily do that in the next games as well.

Though I WOULD want for this plot to be 'over' by the end of P6. Preferrably P5, even, since it'd honestly be a perfect time to end it. (with Aigis and Yukari being in, what, the second year of college? Hell, considering how many people want to move on to a college plot from a high school plot, I wouldn't be surprised if they DID pull it off. They could still use an (almost) completely new cast in that case, too!)
Otherwise, too much time would pass and we'd be left with almost nothing. I mean, sure, they can always go back to the past or something if they DO end up going too far, but.......yeah.


Also, the Tokyo Game Show is drawing near. Do you think we're gonna learn anything new there? Possibly even hear an official announcement?

[Evilkinggumby]

Also, the Tokyo Game Show is drawing near. Do you think we're gonna learn anything new there? Possibly even hear an official announcement?

My money is that since it is going to be one of the most asked questions there, they will repeat that it is in development and possibly drop a few hints at how far along it is (still in the story writing/art design/gameplay mechanics etc). I would love them to actually throw out some character designed on stands to show off the new look, or even have more details available.. but my money is it is still too early to blow the top off this one.

[monkmaster79]

I don't think we'll see Persona 5 at TGS. SMT V maybe, but the Persona team was kinda busy with Catherine and they announce their games later in development so no Persona 5 just yet.

[Sacrosanct]

I do recall seeing someone say that they were planning to release at least a bit of info this year, but I suppose you have a point. We'll see, though.

EDIT: Hm. I seem to have stumbled upon something. While checking the comments on a random P4 fan video (that wasn't actually anything special. I think it was something "P4 FES"-related), I noticed a few comments from the same guy that...kinda got me thinking.

Atlus is -still- saying that there's not going to be an FES. Especially since Atlus is dissolving. Their latest and final project is Persona 5.

And seeing as how this is the exact same opening, you'd think that you'd be calling BS.


It's not coming out because it's not real. It's been announced several times they're not going to do it and if you've been keeping up with what Atlus has said, they're being dissolved and they're one and only last project is Persona 5 because it was already in development. It was the only thing in development. Unless this video came from Atlus itself, don't take it to heart. And guess what? It didn't. It's not gonna happen. It's getting tiring. People have been doing this since P4 came out.

It was announced a while ago BY INDEX that Atlus was being dissolved.

http://www.1up.com/news/atlus-disolved-parent-company

What you're talking about coming out, ASIDE from P5, is all being done by another group in Index using Atlus' name to boost the sales. P5 was the last OFFICIAL Atlus project. Atlus as a whole is losing it's creativity because they're being dissolved and the workers are being taken up by another group within Index.

Here's more: http://gamesandbiz.blogspot.com/2010/08/atlus-is-no-more.html

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/08/30/atlus-absorbed-merges-with-mobile-developer/

Did I say replace. No I said "workers are being taken up by another group within Index." But with other new people in the works with them and the loss of Atlus' independence, things are going to go down hill. They're going to be watched like hawks and if they do one thing that Index doesn't like they're going to make them change it.

And P3S is a Japan only game. They expected it to go further, but they changed their minds and stopped it from going overseas.

Catherine becoming a franchise isn't going to help them retain their identity. Especially considering it was done by the French branch of Atlus and not the Japanese one that produces Persona and the other SMT games. When you get all excited over Persona and SMT that's Atlus Japan. Catherine is Atlus FA and when it gets ported here it's Atlus USA. They may have bought all of Atlus, but Atlus Japan is what Index merged with their creative team. Too many cooks ruin the stew. This is exactly what's going to happen with them taking over Atlus. It doesn't matter if Atlus FA makes a franchise out of Catherine, they can still ruin SMT and kill Atlus JA that way.


Can anybody confirm or deny this?
Personally, I don't think this is true, considering that it's all posted by one person without anyone or anything backing him up, and that there are a _lot_ of games that AtlusJP is planning to release, some possibly even after P5.

On 30 August 2010, Index Holding announced that Atlus would no longer be an independent company and would be under their direct control. Though this has caused concern among fans about the future of Atlus, the CEO of Atlus, Shinichi Suzuki has officially affirmed that Atlus will continue to provide the "finest quality game experiences possible" and the merger only "further strengthens the foundation of Atlus, both in Japan and here in the United States".

This seems to both prove AND disprove all of the above at the same time. I don't even know what to think anymore. x.x

[remstigma]

I don't think we'll see Persona 5 at TGS. SMT V maybe, but the Persona team was kinda busy with Catherine and they announce their games later in development so no Persona 5 just yet.

There was an SMT IV?

[monkmaster79]

I don't think we'll see Persona 5 at TGS. SMT V maybe, but the Persona team was kinda busy with Catherine and they announce their games later in development so no Persona 5 just yet.

There was an SMT IV?

Some people think Strange Journey is SMT IV. That's what I was implying. I take it back though. I don't think Strange Journey is SMT IV.

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

Atlus France? Seriously? I say that guy is full of BS. :mad:

[Sacrosanct]

Atlus France? Seriously? I say that guy is full of BS. :mad:

Yeah, that was the first (and biggest) thing that made me question the authenticity of those replies.

[Olethros]

People are so gullible these days. All you have to do is SOUND like you know what you're talking about and people take it as gospel. There is no Atlus France and there never has been. The dude's a great big phoney.

[remstigma]

Haha.... Had me going for a second. I was gonna lock myself in my room and cry about Atlus being dissolved XD

[sabaku_lotus]

As I said, there is no chance of P5 being this. they'd probably make it another cellphone game or something like they did for "Aegis: The First Mission" (I'll put the link below if you don't know about it) and North America would probably never see the likes of it. Anyways, I never really thought there would be a lot of cameos... After all, Elizabeth left on her own...
I personally thought it would be more of an opportunity for the developers to show us more of the world behind the velvet room, all the mystical things in the persona universe that you wouldn't normally get to see.

link: http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Aegis:_The_First_Mission

I don't agree on this. Sure Atlus isn't Crapcom but they could release something like SMT: DS2 with the remade version of nocturne with raidou, except it would be a remade version of P4 with the Velvet room siblings.

As I stated before, Femc and Mc, rocking music, someone older than 16 in the party, and hidden gay option.

[Evilkinggumby]

As I stated before, Femc and Mc, rocking music, someone older than 16 in the party, and hidden gay option.

bah.. why make it a hidden option? If it's an aspect of the game, so be it. Though maybe not make it a "required" aspect of the game.. lots of folk might get all freaked about that... why I don't know.

[sabaku_lotus]

As I stated before, Femc and Mc, rocking music, someone older than 16 in the party, and hidden gay option.

bah.. why make it a hidden option? If it's an aspect of the game, so be it. Though maybe not make it a "required" aspect of the game.. lots of folk might get all freaked about that... why I don't know.

Because of what you said, 'People will freak out about it.'

I remember going on gamefaqs and someone suggested a gay option in Megaten. Pages and pages of, 'Yuri only!!!' 'I will never buy a Megaten game again,' 'Sure,' and politics/religion. It was silly.

Sadly not everyone is posh like the forum people here, so I can image a gay option going under fire like the hot coffee option.

If its hidden under Hetro and requires you to do some obvious things, (such as flirt with the guy,) then maybe not.

This option has been stuck in my head from what Yosuke said in P4

[Pash]

I got it! The games plot will focus on Vincent... IN SPACE.

[NG14916]

But there's a gay option in Innocent Sin. Then again, that's not really one of their major releases.

[Black_Rose]

It would be good if Vincent made a cameo in P5 but I still think fighting the main Hero's of Persona would be fun or there shadows or them joined you would be wishful thinking overall I really don't care for the Gay option in Innocent Sin I think it would Spice it up a little

[sabaku_lotus]

But there's a gay option in Innocent Sin. Then again, that's not really one of their major releases.

I mean outside of P2. P4 had so many hints that it wasn't even funny.

I honesty thought you could hook up with Yosuke in the game....and was shocked that you couldn't/didn't. Especially on some of the quotes he said.

I should have hooked up with Chie or Naoto then >.<

[remstigma]

I got it! The games plot will focus on Vincent... IN SPACE.

I support this! You must summon your persona or die to the aliens!!

[rpgguy999]

I got it! The games plot will focus on Vincent... IN SPACE.

I support this! You must summon your persona or die to the aliens!!
Persona vs. Aliens
OH YEAH...!

[AbsoluteDays]

Things I would like to see in Persona 5:
The P4 MC as a special bonus guest character, he can be used in all dungeons, but not boss fights (thus to make it more natural, so he doesn't need to show ANY personality, he would be there simply to be there)

A Side quest involving Elizabeth, you would visit Minato's spirit of sorts and you can battle Erebus (again) to obtain Orpheus, Thanatos, Messiah what have you.

...For the love of all things holy, some way for the in game characters to say your name. Its 2011, and by the time this comes out...2015+? There should be someway for the in game characters to speak the names inputted as long as they follow relevant ideas or something.

The first two are purely for fun and entertainment, the last one would simply be amazing, but either way, when it does come out...it'll be awesome xD

[Evilkinggumby]

...For the love of all things holy, some way for the in game characters to say your name. Its 2011, and by the time this comes out...2015+? There should be someway for the in game characters to speak the names inputted as long as they follow relevant ideas or something.

The first two are purely for fun and entertainment, the last one would simply be amazing, but either way, when it does come out...it'll be awesome xD

I actually suggested that a long while ago and still stand by the idea that it would be one helluva innovative and fun feature to see in games. I have looked into seeing how far we've come in text to speech technology and have a number of tools on my computer to listen to my own writing at times, and there is a lot fo progress in that regard. Unfortunately, most voice for games is recorded and unless every voice actor took the time to create a text to speech dictionary that simulates their voice for full speech(so that it can allow for custom character names and maybe additional content in DLC) it wouldn't feel natural in most dialogue. If they made the game almost entirely text to speech using multiple 'voices' it would certainly be possible, but the amount of polish/grooming necessary to make it all feel smooth and less robotic is likely beyond what most game companies would want to invest...

[AbsoluteDays]

...For the love of all things holy, some way for the in game characters to say your name. Its 2011, and by the time this comes out...2015+? There should be someway for the in game characters to speak the names inputted as long as they follow relevant ideas or something.

The first two are purely for fun and entertainment, the last one would simply be amazing, but either way, when it does come out...it'll be awesome xD

I actually suggested that a long while ago and still stand by the idea that it would be one helluva innovative and fun feature to see in games. I have looked into seeing how far we've come in text to speech technology and have a number of tools on my computer to listen to my own writing at times, and there is a lot fo progress in that regard. Unfortunately, most voice for games is recorded and unless every voice actor took the time to create a text to speech dictionary that simulates their voice for full speech(so that it can allow for custom character names and maybe additional content in DLC) it wouldn't feel natural in most dialogue. If they made the game almost entirely text to speech using multiple 'voices' it would certainly be possible, but the amount of polish/grooming necessary to make it all feel smooth and less robotic is likely beyond what most game companies would want to invest...

True, that came to mind...but imagine the possibilities if Atlus DID do it. The system would most likely be praised, and before we know it, it would be seen in ever RPG, one company just needs to take the risk...and based on all of Atlus's previous work, I think they can. There fan base is committed, their games are all made well...at this point its just a matter of time that they (or someone else) does it.

[remstigma]

I don't think it's gonna happen. Something tells me that Atlus would just see it as pointless. And do you really want the game to come out five months later than it has to?

[AbsoluteDays]

...For the love of all things holy, some way for the in game characters to say your name. Its 2011, and by the time this comes out...2015+? There should be someway for the in game characters to speak the names inputted as long as they follow relevant ideas or something.

The first two are purely for fun and entertainment, the last one would simply be amazing, but either way, when it does come out...it'll be awesome xD

I actually suggested that a long while ago and still stand by the idea that it would be one helluva innovative and fun feature to see in games. I have looked into seeing how far we've come in text to speech technology and have a number of tools on my computer to listen to my own writing at times, and there is a lot fo progress in that regard. Unfortunately, most voice for games is recorded and unless every voice actor took the time to create a text to speech dictionary that simulates their voice for full speech(so that it can allow for custom character names and maybe additional content in DLC) it wouldn't feel natural in most dialogue. If they made the game almost entirely text to speech using multiple 'voices' it would certainly be possible, but the amount of polish/grooming necessary to make it all feel smooth and less robotic is likely beyond what most game companies would want to invest...

I don't think it's gonna happen. Something tells me that Atlus would just see it as pointless. And do you really want the game to come out five months later than it has to?

:> To hear them say my name in the game? Depends...I think 5 months would be a fair trade off for a feature like that... I mean the immersion level is increased by a massive amount. Persona games are already easy to relate to...adding in the characters speaking your name only will make the game feel more alive. Hell xD I know that certain parts in P3/4 woulda made me tear up if my name was being said instead of the obvious blanks where it was supposed to go.

[remstigma]

Yes, it would be a cool feature, I understand what your saying, but little more than a novelty. There would be no reason for Atlus to put their time, effort and money, for something so trivial to the games plot. It would almost seem easier to have the VA read out of a "name your child book" than go through all that effort.

[AbsoluteDays]

Yes yes ^^ I see your point and agree, but a dream is a dream I suppose *Points at Catherine quote by Thomas Mutton*

[Salbert]

I know they're never going to do this but... I would actually really REALLY appreciate it if they used the traditional SMT demons as enemies instead of the no-personality Shadows. Of course I would also want to be able to negotiate with the demons in a Persona 1/2 sort of fashion. Taking that aspect out the Persona series really removed some of the distinct Megaten charm.

[Crow T. Robot]

I know they're never going to do this but... I would actually really REALLY appreciate it if they used the traditional SMT demons as enemies instead of the no-personality Shadows. Of course I would also want to be able to negotiate with the demons in a Persona 1/2 sort of fashion. Taking that aspect out the Persona series really removed some of the distinct Megaten charm.

That'd be awesome. You never know though, ATLUS has a way of caring about their fans and what they have to say for the most part.
I'd like a more open minded relationship outlook (homosexual/bisexual) if this one keeps the dating sim aspect.