Does Atlus U.S.A. have an E3 list or are they keeping everything under wraps?

[AdrianMorales]

Most publishers have posted they full or partial E3 list of upcoming titles. Has Atlus U.S.A. done this as well or is everything going to be a big surprise?

[Takara_Kitsune]

There's a sort of list at destructoid. ( http://www.destructoid.com/pre-e3-2009-atlus-e3-win-133984.phtml&skin)

It's kinda vague. But that's fine. We'll find out everything else in the next few days. :3

[Eggn0g]

There's a list of all the companies that will be at E3 and what games they'll be showcasing at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E3_2009#Notable_games_showcases) and IGN (http://uk.games.ign.com/articles/975/975698p1.html).

If the lists are to be belived, Atlus will be there with the following games;
* Class of Heroes (PSP)
* Droplitz (PC, PS3, X360)
* Knights in the Nightmare (DS)
* Neo Steam: The Shattered Continent (PC)
* Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor (DS)
* Shin Megami Tensei: Persona (PSP)
* Steambot Chronicles: Battle Tournament (PSP)

[Quig]

I'm surprised Demon's Souls is not on that list...

[Neveryll]

I'd be kinda sad not to see something new coming up. Currently the list kind of ends in mid June or so. Kinda like the end of the world is coming.... We'll maybe not that bad but makes you wonder what's on the other end of the tunnel.

[jeffx]

Guys. Atlus USA staff have continuously teased us on these very boards to "wait for E3" for upcoming announcements. They released exactly a dozen game in the first half of 2009, you can bet they'll have something similar for the rest of the year.

One word: Patience.





One word + an acronym: Brandish PSP.

[Pibbman]

im curious do they have their own press conference or we just sitting here and watching the twitter feed?

[Neveryll]

Chuckle. I know, I know. But its kinda like when you were a kid on Christmas Eve... You sit there wondering what's going to be under the tree this year lol. I know it will be a while before we can "unwrap" any new presents I mean announcements but that doesn't stop the anticipation. :p

[CanuckGamer]

im curious do they have their own press conference or we just sitting here and watching the twitter feed?

Looking at my conference list.. no they don't ^_^
Booth only it seems... I'll have to swing by on Wednesday and see what is there.

[unknown]

Does anyone know when Capcom is having their conference?

[Fuyukaze]

All I know is I've sent 3 people off to E3 this year with the hopes they bring me back free stuff from the Atlus booth. Be it news or free swag I should have been more picky. Still no word from any of them though.

One word: Patience.

That word doesnt exist to me. Atlus knows they are already getting a large chunk of my pay check, it's only fair I learn what I've spent my money on before.

Ok, ya ya, wait and learn like everyone else. I still feel like it's Christmas and I'm a 5 year old being told to wait till grandpa gets off the toilet before opening presents.

[Manly Biceps]

Well, we just announced Shiren the Wanderer. (Shiren 3 in Japan, but Shiren-San in my heart.) So that should answer your question about, "Are we keeping some stuff under wraps".

In just a bit, you'll discover the rest of the titles we're showing off.

[Decept]

In just a bit, you'll discover the rest of the titles we're showing off.

My anxiety just hit the roof.

[Manly Biceps]

My anxiety just hit the roof.

Mwahahaha! You'll just have to deal with all the machinations a guy who doesn't have to work at E3 until tomorrow can torture you with until then!

Aren't you wondering what we're going to release!? HMMMMMMMMMMM?!

[Olethros]

See? I was right everyone, he IS evil! :surprise:

[Tatsuya Suou]

My anxiety just hit the roof.

Mwahahaha! You'll just have to deal with all the machinations a guy who doesn't have to work at E3 until tomorrow can torture you with until then!

Aren't you wondering what we're going to release!? HMMMMMMMMMMM?!

Tomorrow,Hmmmmm? hm hm hm, it is all ..... (http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4828/blurbasplannedrd3200905.jpg) I know you and Rednusander for the past few days been looking at the some games in the suggestion threads.( won't say witch as to not spoil you're surprise) Can't wait until you show everything. Hm hm hm hm!

[Manly Biceps]

Bah! What are you guys doing not commenting over here? Are you watching other E3 news? Wondering whether Trauma Team will incorporate Wii Vitality Sensor technology or something. How am I supposed to torment you while you're viewing other sites.

Weeeak! :)

[Decept]

^I can only look/read at so many sites and look busy at work, let alone comment on your evil ways. :P

[Iris]

Everything's going to get announced right after I leave for work in half an hour, isn't it. :'(

[Manly Biceps]

Everything's going to get announced right after I leave for work in half an hour, isn't it. :'(

Probably not. The show floor doesn't open for another hour and a half.

[dragonlife29]

Well, we just announced Shiren the Wanderer. (Shiren 3 in Japan, but Shiren-San in my heart.) So that should answer your question about, "Are we keeping some stuff under wraps".

In just a bit, you'll discover the rest of the titles we're showing off.Yes, you did! YES, YOU DID!

OMG! I WILL ADOPT A CHILD JUST SO I CAN NAME HIM ATLUS USA!

*fans self*

Oh, God...I'm just a bit out of breath after the megaton at the end of Nintendo's conference...Team Ninja x Nintendo for Metroid: Other M! OMG! And now this! (Oh, and Super Mario Galaxy 2--with YOSHI!!!).

Thanks, Atlus! You guys will forever hold a lure to my wallet.

[Macstorm]

My anxiety just hit the roof.

Mwahahaha! You'll just have to deal with all the machinations a guy who doesn't have to work at E3 until tomorrow can torture you with until then!

Aren't you wondering what we're going to release!? HMMMMMMMMMMM?!

Ok, if you don't show something awesome, I'm going to hunt you down and give you a giant noogie.

[Manly Biceps]

I highly doubt that. I think I'm going to be wearing a hat, so I'm basically noogie-proof.

[Macstorm]

I highly doubt that. I think I'm going to be wearing a hat, so I'm basically noogie-proof.

I'm not at E3, but I'll find you sooner or later. :)

[Olethros]

^I can only look/read at so many sites and look busy at work, let alone comment on your evil ways. :P

Keep practicing! Soon you'll be able to juggle several sites, a game or two, and end up increasing your productivity! I've done it and so can you. Please believe! ;)

[Pibbman]

Im watching the Sony E3 video, and I saw Fate Stay Night on PSP video, but I wonder who is releasing that.

[Aika]

I read elsewhere that aside from Shiren there was going to be a few other surprise announcements... Is that true?

[Manly Biceps]

Well, 101-in-1 for the Wii also got announced. IIRC, there's still more to come.

(You like how I made sure to make that conditional...so you won't know for sure!? MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)

[Decept]

Well, 101-in-1 for the Wii also got announced. IIRC, there's still more to come.

(You like how I made sure to make that conditional...so you won't know for sure!? MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)

That is twice now.

[Aika]

Well, 101-in-1 for the Wii also got announced. IIRC, there's still more to come.

(You like how I made sure to make that conditional...so you won't know for sure!? MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)

I just keep refreshing the Twitter page waiting for more. Well, and this thread, too. XD

So...there is more aside from Shiren, and 101-in-1, then? I got my fingers crossed. :)

[shimo]

Well, 101-in-1 for the Wii also got announced. IIRC, there's still more to come.

(You like how I made sure to make that conditional...so you won't know for sure!? MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)

How evil can you get?

[Manly Biceps]

Well, 101-in-1 for the Wii also got announced. IIRC, there's still more to come.

(You like how I made sure to make that conditional...so you won't know for sure!? MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)

How evil can you get?

On a bad day, I can get pretty evil. I'm just at mischievous right now.

[mlisette23]

Im watching the Sony E3 video, and I saw Fate Stay Night on PSP video, but I wonder who is releasing that.

Capcom, as a download only game http://www.siliconera.com/2009/04/28/fateunlimted-codes-coming-to-psp-as-a-digital-download/

[Pibbman]

Ah thanks.

Atlus its time for your announcements. All of them right now.

[Manly Biceps]

Odd. I figured someone would have strolled by the booth by now, and commented something.

[Urvin1]

If I could, I'd be there right now hovering around your booth, waiting on a certain paticular announcement.

[Decept]

If I could, I'd be there right now hovering around your booth, waiting on a certain paticular announcement.

and snooping for spoils... I asked a Sony Rep to check your booth out, tho.

[Aika]

Odd. I figured someone would have strolled by the booth by now, and commented something.

Now this is torture. :very_sad:

[Manly Biceps]

If I could, I'd be there right now hovering around your booth, waiting on a certain paticular announcement.

and snooping for spoils... I asked a Sony Rep to check your booth out, tho.

We're right next to both of 'em. (Sony and SOE.) He should have gotten you a report pretty quick.

[Decept]

If I could, I'd be there right now hovering around your booth, waiting on a certain paticular announcement.

and snooping for spoils... I asked a Sony Rep to check your booth out, tho.

We're right next to both of 'em. (Sony and SOE.) He should have gotten you a report pretty quick.

ARGH, I would make some phone calls, but I am at work.

[rainking187]

Well, the big 3 conferences were very lackluster, I'm counting on Atlus to make this E3 actually worth paying attention to. Don't let me down!

(Oh, and was 101-in-1 for the Wii really announced or was that a joke?)

[Manly Biceps]

Well, the big 3 conferences were very lackluster, I'm counting on Atlus to make this E3 actually worth paying attention to. Don't let me down!

(Oh, and was 101-in-1 for the Wii really announced or was that a joke?)

Nope, that was real. Although, I don't know the extent that it got announced.

[Pibbman]

Well, the big 3 conferences were very lackluster, I'm counting on Atlus to make this E3 actually worth paying attention to. Don't let me down!

(Oh, and was 101-in-1 for the Wii really announced or was that a joke?)

I disagree, Sony's conference was amazing.

101-in-1 for wii is real? How sad. I thought it was a joke. Well, I guess there really is a market for it out there.

[rainking187]

Well, the big 3 conferences were very lackluster, I'm counting on Atlus to make this E3 actually worth paying attention to. Don't let me down!

(Oh, and was 101-in-1 for the Wii really announced or was that a joke?)

I disagree, Sony's conference was amazing.

101-in-1 for wii is real? How sad. I thought it was a joke. Well, I guess there really is a market for it out there.



I disagree, Sony didn't announce anything new of note, other than Final Fantasy XIV...which turned out to be an MMO. Sigh. But that's off topic.

[Rednusander]

I disagree, Sony didn't announce anything new of note, other than Final Fantasy XIV...which turned out to be an MMO. Sigh. But that's off topic.

You guys should totally go start a "Who WON E3!?" thread so that when it degenerates into a flame war, I can shut it down!

......Yes, it's kinda boring here at the office when there's a gigantic event going on.

[Manly Biceps]

THE N-GAGE WON E3! It's back with 2 vengeances!

[Rednusander]

THE N-GAGE WON E3! It's back with 2 vengeances!

Go put that in the proper thread, Manly!

[Decept]

......Yes, it's kinda boring here at the office when there's a gigantic event going on.

How sad. Do you all pull straws to see who gets to hold down the fort? Or do the same people get to miss out on the gigantic event every year?

[Steel Greyfalke]

I wanted to buy one of those ....

[Rednusander]

......Yes, it's kinda boring here at the office when there's a gigantic event going on.

How sad. Do you all pull straws to see who gets to hold down the fort? Or do the same people get to miss out on the gigantic event every year?

It's just a matter of scheduling. Manly and I will be going up tomorrow, and office duty will change hands.

[Manly Biceps]

......Yes, it's kinda boring here at the office when there's a gigantic event going on.

How sad. Do you all pull straws to see who gets to hold down the fort? Or do the same people get to miss out on the gigantic event every year?

We're actually taking shifts. Red & I will hold down the fort there tomorrow & Thursday. Today we're just hangin' round, taunting you guys and commenting on the lack of people in the office.

[Manly Biceps]

I wanted to buy one of those ....

I actually have one. I bought it specifically for Rifts, which ended up kind of being crap.

[Pibbman]

I disagree, Sony didn't announce anything new of note, other than Final Fantasy XIV...which turned out to be an MMO. Sigh. But that's off topic.

You guys should totally go start a "Who WON E3!?" thread so that when it degenerates into a flame war, I can shut it down!

......Yes, it's kinda boring here at the office when there's a gigantic event going on.

Sorry, but I have no interest in that type of discussion. I only said what I did earlier because it was still fresh in my mind thats all.

I'd probably be saying "Atlus WON E3" if you guys would just start announcing something, preferably something that's gonna come out THIS year. :P

[Manly Biceps]

http://www.joystiq.com/photos/e3-2009-west-hall-show-floor/2052624/

http://www.joystiq.com/photos/e3-2009-west-hall-show-floor/2052617/

Hey look, pictures of our booth!

[jeffx]

Nice booth babes.

[Manly Biceps]

Not even paying attention to the games, there jeffx...

[Sagadego]

lucky dogs get to play persona and mario and what not "grumbles grumbles"

[Pibbman]

Mmmm Booth Babes.

[ProudClod]

Nothing new in the booth pictures :(

Do we know Atlus' entire line up at this point?

[Decept]

Nothing new in the booth pictures :(

Do we know Atlus' entire line up at this point?

Get ready for a simultaneous answer from Red and Manly to the effect of "maybe."

[Macstorm]

What downloadable title ends with "rine"?

[Tatsuya Suou]

Trauma Team Booth Babes lol...
Anyway I like the persona billboard there.

[Rednusander]

Nothing new in the booth pictures :(

Do we know Atlus' entire line up at this point?

AHHHHHHHH did you even look!?

[ProudClod]

I'm ready <3

[Rednusander]

What downloadable title ends with "rine"?

This man has the right idea! And keener eyes than ProudClod! =P

[Pibbman]

Nothing new in the booth pictures :(

Do we know Atlus' entire line up at this point?

That would be pretty sad if we did, because that would mean Persona PSP is the only title for the rest of the year after Devil Survivor?

[Pibbman]

http://trine-thegame.com/site/

I used my Desktop zoom feature and it looks like the screen says TRINE. Which i found at the link above? There is a busty witch in it or something?

[mlisette23]

Nothing new in the booth pictures :(

Do we know Atlus' entire line up at this point?

That would be pretty sad if we did, because that would mean Persona PSP is the only title for the rest of the year after Devil Survivor?

Though my wallet would be very happy about that I'm sure Atlus still has something to announce. Right??

[ProudClod]

What downloadable title ends with "rine"?

This man has the right idea! And keener eyes than ProudClod! =P

I thought that was Trine. Didn't realize it was a part of the Atlus booth. Atlus isn't publishing Trine, is it?

[Tom]

"Not even paying attention to the games, there jeffx..."

The correct response is: "I have a few games in mind, actually."

[Ephidel]

The screen does say Trine, and the logo font matches up (and the screen does have the atlus logo on the top left side)
I'd say the interesting part is that the official site says PC, PSN and PS3... and the giant poster there seems to say "Coming soon to XBOX LIVE"

[jeffx]

Not even paying attention to the games, there jeffx...

I mega zoomed and couldn't find traces of Brandish PSP anywhere. I'll certainly take Shiren though, for now.

The correct response is: "I have a few games in mind, actually."

Haha never change Tom.

[ProudClod]

This makes no sense though. Why would Atlus be publishing Trine?

[Pibbman]

This makes no sense though. Why would Atlus be publishing Trine?

Because Atlus is awesome? Yay, a PSN game for me to look forward too. Check out the video at the site though too, it looks pretty fun and it's very nice looking game too.

[ProudClod]

This makes no sense though. Why would Atlus be publishing Trine?

Because Atlus is awesome? Yay, a PSN game for me to look forward too. Check out the video at the site though too, it looks pretty fun and it's very nice looking game too.

What I mean is, why would they be publishing a game that already had a publisher?

[Pibbman]

This makes no sense though. Why would Atlus be publishing Trine?

Because Atlus is awesome? Yay, a PSN game for me to look forward too. Check out the video at the site though too, it looks pretty fun and it's very nice looking game too.

What I mean is, why would they be publishing a game that already had a publisher?

If you look at the site, you'll notice all the flags at the top are european flags, so it would probably mean that is the european publisher. So far it doesn't have any NA flags, so it's possible Atlus is picking it up for North American release.

[Manly Biceps]

So, there you go. Someone finally cracked the last un-announced Atlus release. (After a copious amount of help, I will add.)

:)

See, I totally wasn't lying. I was just very weirded out that nobody had mentioned it, so I was thinking maybe they only went and showed it behind closed doors.

[Pibbman]

YAY Atlus.

So does that mean I win that awesome Persona poster as a prize? :D or one of the spoils there?

[Tatsuya Suou]

To be fair, this only shows the games they have on the booth. They are still some announcements tomorrow. (Looks like even the diabolical Manly Biceps can be surprised when something is overlooked)

[Pibbman]

So is Demons Souls stands right by the Gamespot recording area? I saw the kiosks in the background.

[dragonlife29]

Booth Babes FTL =P

What's the point of/what is the dropbox? That's what caught my attention first.

Also: I spot an Atlus employee in the first link! amirite?

EDIT: http://www.joystiq.com/photos/e3-2009-west-hall-show-floor/2052601/

Shiren! :D

[Rednusander]

Booth Babes FTL =P

What's the point of/what is the dropbox? That's what caught my attention first.

Also: I spot an Atlus employee in the first link! amirite?

EDIT: http://www.joystiq.com/photos/e3-2009-west-hall-show-floor/2052601/

Shiren! :D

There are Atlus employees all over those pictures! And no, the booth babes don't count.

This should answer your 1st question better than I could, Dragonlife.

http://www.destructoid.com/pre-e3-09-e3-attendees-could-be-in-atlus-trauma-team-134182.phtml

[ProudClod]

*sigh*
I guess it really was Trine. I already knew that Trine was going to come to NA eventually. I was expecting a bigger surprise. Oh well. Still love Atlus to death :)

[dragonlife29]

This should answer your 1st question better than I could, Dragonlife.

http://www.destructoid.com/pre-e3-09-e3-attendees-could-be-in-atlus-trauma-team-134182.phtmlOh, God, that is so awesome ;_;

[etrianfan]

Here's hoping for more anouncements. So far these are games I have no desire for.


Not even paying attention to the games, there jeffx...

I mega zoomed and couldn't find traces of Brandish PSP anywhere. I'll certainly take Shiren though, for now.


If they anounce Brandish and especially Elminage, that would make my day.

[Macstorm]

Nothing new in the booth pictures :(

Do we know Atlus' entire line up at this point?

That would be pretty sad if we did, because that would mean Persona PSP is the only title for the rest of the year after Devil Survivor?

Demon's Souls is still scheduled for this year, so just two games the rest of the year. Atlus is planning to drop off the face of the Earth after June.

[Takara_Kitsune]

Ah... so, I am going to assume this means no Super Robot Taisen: Original Generations or Original Generations Gaiden, then?

... Sorry to ask. I was refraining from doing so... However, I would like confirmation that I was holding out on the impossible. ^^;

[Decept]

Demon's Souls is still scheduled for this year, so just two games the rest of the year. Atlus is planning to drop off the face of the Earth after June.

Maybe they are going to focus on the winter quarter. Or they saved up all their big 2009 announcements for times when they wouldn't be shadowed by the Big 3 at E3.

Who knows, but I am already out of money and have too many games to play.

[Olethros]

Ah... so, I am going to assume this means no Super Robot Taisen: Original Generations or Original Generations Gaiden, then?

... Sorry to ask. I was refraining from doing so... However, I would like confirmation that I was holding out on the impossible. ^^;

They'll never officially rule something out. This is a question you will never get an official answer to. I think the truth is pretty obvious though.

[sdragon21]

Ah... so, I am going to assume this means no Super Robot Taisen: Original Generations or Original Generations Gaiden, then?

... Sorry to ask. I was refraining from doing so... However, I would like confirmation that I was holding out on the impossible. ^^;

They'll never officially rule something out. This is a question you will never get an official answer to. I think the truth is pretty obvious though.

So what you're saying is that there is still hope for a US release???

[Olethros]

There's always hope, just like there will always be fools who believe in it. ;)

[cj iwakura]

So I guess that's a no on Growlanser. :(

[Tatsuya Suou]

Ah... so, I am going to assume this means no Super Robot Taisen: Original Generations or Original Generations Gaiden, then?

... Sorry to ask. I was refraining from doing so... However, I would like confirmation that I was holding out on the impossible. ^^;

They'll never officially rule something out. This is a question you will never get an official answer to. I think the truth is pretty obvious though.

So what you're saying is that there is still hope for a US release???

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/06/03/so-about-super-robot-taisen-original-generations/

.....Well atlus?......-
I'll say this, if you don't have an answer soon, then you'll have a lot of angry fans who supported it you. Is that what you really want?

[Takara_Kitsune]

They have no reason to answer to that, though.

We're only a small number. And to be honest, it's not like SRT: OG would have made them any money anyway. Or at least not enough to make it worth their while.

As a fan of SRT, I'm disappointed, but I'm not mad at Atlus. I suppose I'm a little mad at myself for taking what essentially amounted to rumors and speculation, and deciding that was enough.

I know that, even though there were probably no plans to release it anyway, there are those on Atlus staff that would clearly like to have released it. (I believe I'd be correct in assuming Manly Biceps would probably have been for an English SRT: OGs/OGG. But since I'm not him, I won't state that as fact.)

Ultimatums get us nowhere, but I realize you're bummed too, Tatsuya. I don't really have anything to say that will make this any better, though. I suppose the only thing that disappoints me, is that at no point did anyone on Atlus staff go into the topic (unless I missed it) and point out that it won't happen. More or less, they saw us getting hyped, and then never said anything to suggest this is not going to happen. But thinking about it, I probably wouldn't jump into a room of rabid fans and then tell them something isn't going to happen. ^^;

[Tatsuya Suou]

Truth is I'm just having a bad day, (raining like crazy back n forth were I live, found out my ps3 can't be fixed, found out capcoms big mystery title is noting but a resident evil game on the psp, no ZOE 3 but way too much MGS and of course the news about OG) you know, personal issues.

When I think about it, I am not mad at atlus, I am just disappointed at them. It is bad enough that we found out this way, but not once had we heard a thing about it for two years. I am well aware that it may have not been worth the money, but one would expect some sort of answer by now. I do agree that us fans of SRT are a small number, but the same can be said about the SMT series when they first started bring them over here. I know that the first game didn't sell well on the PS1 and after only hearing about the second one that I have stop herring anything on atlus regarding SMT. That is until they retuned with nocturne. That game alone gave atlus a strong way to go on with the series and that is why it is they’re best franchise. Think if they did that now with SRT, After waiting two years for it and then bring it over here, there is a chance that it could of made up for the loss of money on the gba games. Of course all of this is just what I think and can't say that all of it is accurate. Another thing that bothers me is this, if they had no plans of bring the game over here, than why bring Endless frontier? Don’t get me wrong it is a fun game and I enjoyed it but when I finished it I was left with noting but a small chance of seeing this over here. I guess in the end it just wasn't meant to be.

....Sorry for the long post, I just had to get it out my chest. Overall even though atlus didn't do much at E3, it was still a good one. I am looking at Konami press conference. (kojima time) And even though there is no Z.O.E 3,:( we are getting a new castlevania on the consoles. I'll post something similar on the SRT:OG thread later, but for now thank you for you're time.

And atlus, even though you have disappointed many, I still like the announcements you made prior to E3. Who knows, maybe you'll look into Growlanser once more. (Though that is looking just as bad as SRT)

[Steel Greyfalke]

Always Glad To support ya , & sorry About your Ps3

[Takara_Kitsune]

Hm... I swear I had replied to you, Tatsuya... sorry.

It's not been bad here, I suppose I just put a lot of faith into something that had a minimal chance of happening. I just graduated from college, and I've been on a job hunt. I think that's enough to explain why I'd be kinda down. My part-time job now won't cut it when the college bills start coming in. ^^; I use games as a bit of a pick-me-up. SRT OGs would have been the best announcement right now. Oh well. Judging by what you said there, games are also what keeps you going until something better maybe comes along.

Anyway... I'm very sorry about your PS3. I don't know where you took it for repairs, but... had you gotten Sony's repair service, they would have fixed it and sent back the same type (meaning the B/C model). I think they advise removal of the hard drive before sending it in, but that's it. It'll still cost you, but shouldn't be as bad as not having one. If I were nearby, I'd take a look at it... but I have my doubts you're in the Cleveland area, let alone in Ohio at all. I sort of have training in the areas of PC networking, PC repair, and electronic engineering, so... I wouldn't be completely helpless checking the thing out. (Save for the fact that I know the PS3 has a lot of parts I've not seen before... including the processor type and Blu-Ray drive...)

You know, it's kind of interesting... this E3 was the best one in recent memory. (Even moreso if recent memory only encompasses the last two years). Even so, I can't help but feel disappointed. There were things that had happened in years past that really got me excited. And I admit, there were things that sort of did that for me. I about exploded at the Golden Sun DS announcement, and although they leaked early, Trauma Team and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom are shaping up to be quite awesome. I think the lesson I've learned... is not to rely too much on this sort of event for anything super exciting.

Either way... I think I realize why those Earthbound fans whine so much now... getting shot down like this kinda hurts. It's not even a "No"... it just no word at all. Well, okay, we got the "No". But to have our anticipation built up like this... it's kinda like coming home to what looks like a surprise birthday party, only for it to turn out to be for someone else...

Also, Steel Greyfalke... I thank you for your ongoing enthusiasm. I think you're one of like, two people that actually kept some enthusiasm even after Atlus more or less said "No plans" on this one. I admit I'm a little envious of that. ^^;

[Addison]

http://www.gamervision.com/gamer/00_19/news/article/e3_09_persona_5_coming_to_next_gen_consoles_/?utm_campaign=00_19/news/article/e3_09_persona_5_coming_to_next_gen_consoles_&utm_medium=SocialMedia&utm_source=n4g

Tell us this is a mistake.

Atlus is going to downgrade at major title like Persona 5 for Xbox 360???

So instead of getting an incredible next gen masterpiece, Atlus is going to crap out a gimped multiplatform game?

Instead of 25 or 50 gig BluRay, P5 is going to be downgraded to fit in the smaller than last gen 7 gigabyte disc format?

Instead of PS3 level graphics, P5 is going to be downgraded to some lowest common denominator PC based engine that runs on both the PS3 and 360?

Did Atlus management see the fiasco Square has become this gen and felt they want to repeat those same mistakes?

Did Microsoft show up with another disgusting bribe to ensure another developer ruins a beloved franchise?

[mlisette23]

http://www.gamervision.com/gamer/00_19/news/article/e3_09_persona_5_coming_to_next_gen_consoles_/?utm_campaign=00_19/news/article/e3_09_persona_5_coming_to_next_gen_consoles_&utm_medium=SocialMedia&utm_source=n4g

Tell us this is a mistake.



I wouldn't believe that considering that AtlusUSA wouldn't be the ones to announce something like that and Atlus(Japan) wasn't even at E3(right?).

Edit: Though Persona 5 on Xbox 360 or PS3 wouldn't be completely out of the question.

[Tatsuya]

http://www.gamervision.com/gamer/00_19/news/article/e3_09_persona_5_coming_to_next_gen_consoles_/?utm_campaign=00_19/news/article/e3_09_persona_5_coming_to_next_gen_consoles_&utm_medium=SocialMedia&utm_source=n4g

Tell us this is a mistake.

Atlus is going to downgrade at major title like Persona 5 for Xbox 360???

So instead of getting an incredible next gen masterpiece, Atlus is going to crap out a gimped multiplatform game?

Instead of 25 or 50 gig BluRay, P5 is going to be downgraded to fit in the smaller than last gen 7 gigabyte disc format?

Instead of PS3 level graphics, P5 is going to be downgraded to some lowest common denominator PC based engine that runs on both the PS3 and 360?

Did Atlus management see the fiasco Square has become this gen and felt they want to repeat those same mistakes?

Did Microsoft show up with another disgusting bribe to ensure another developer ruins a beloved franchise?
You know i don't like the 360, but if you actually expect "high end" graphics from atlus you apparently haven't played many atlus games, all of the SMT games released for the ps2 weren't pushing the ps2 too much, the reason they looked so good is because of the style atlus used, it made them great to look at while you played.
If persona 5 comes out for the ps3/360, i doubt it's going to be a graphical powerhouse, but imo it doesn't need to be, it needs the old altus way of style over pretty cutscenes.

[Addison]

Edit: Though Persona 5 on Xbox 360 or PS3 wouldn't be completely out of the question.

It sure as hell better be. We don't need Atlus turning into another Square Enix fiasco whoring themselves out to bribes from Microsoft and screwing gamers over with downgraded and gimped games.

The RPG world doesn't need another Wada. Atlus better get their head on straight and announce P5 as a PS3 exclusive.

[Tatsuya]

Edit: Though Persona 5 on Xbox 360 or PS3 wouldn't be completely out of the question.

It sure as hell better be. We don't need Atlus turning into another Square Enix fiasco whoring themselves out to bribes from Microsoft and screwing gamers over with downgraded and gimped games.

The RPG world doesn't need another Wada. Atlus better get their head on straight and announce P5 as a PS3 exclusive.

You really shouldn't tell atlus what to do here.

[Addison]

Atlus has a choice. Either:

1. Respect the gamers who keep the company in business

2. Play games with payoffs from sleezebag companies like Microsoft to downgrade games to run on their junk console

Square's profits and sales have plummeted this gen after that idiot Wada thought he would cash in with option 2.

Pick one Atlus. 1 or 2.

[Steel Greyfalke]

its ok . im gonna find some thing to hold me off before anything happens,

[Takara_Kitsune]

Atlus has a choice. Either:

1. Respect the gamers who keep the company in business

2. Play games with payoffs from sleezebag companies like Microsoft to downgrade games to run on their junk console

Square's profits and sales have plummeted this gen after that idiot Wada thought he would cash in with option 2.

Pick one Atlus. 1 or 2.

I would recommend against making such sweeping accusations based on rumors... you may want to watch the trollish comments, too.

[Steel Greyfalke]

well i'm not gonna push Atlus, just gonna wait for a surprise Ambush.

[Takara_Kitsune]

well i'm not gonna push Atlus, just gonna wait for a surprise Ambush.

:P

[Steel Greyfalke]

Well im glad to always know That Atlus Suppouts Non-Mainstreamer like us , and let the site administrators handle this.

[Pibbman]

Wow, everyone needs to grow up. It's like a couple kids bickering in here trying to act tough. Why don't we get back on topic here?

We got one day left of E3, lets hope they got something else than 2 games for the rest of the year after June.

[Steel Greyfalke]

I agree we dont wanna start any incidents

[Takara_Kitsune]

Wow, everyone needs to grow up. It's like a couple kids bickering in here trying to act tough. Why don't we get back on topic here?

We got one day left of E3, lets hope they got something else than 2 games for the rest of the year after June.

^^;;

Yes, I suppose you are right, Pibbman. ^^; I suppose I should probably have taken my own advice and logged out for a bit... that was a regrettable action on my part. I corrected my posts to not be so offensive.

Anyway... you have mentioned this, and... you are right. Only 2 games for the rest of the year...? That is rather limited for Atlus... Either they have something big planned, or they're really going to only do two game releases for the rest of the year.

... Nah, that never happens. ^^; Maybe we will see other announcements. Maybe one that will have made my annoyance over OGs/OGG go away. ^^

[Pibbman]

Well I imagine Atlus will announce more as the year goes on should nothing else be mentioned. Far as I know, its only Demons Souls and Persona PSP for this year. It's possible TRINE might come out as well, other than that I know of nothing.

[Takara_Kitsune]

Well I imagine Atlus will announce more as the year goes on should nothing else be mentioned. Far as I know, its only Demons Souls and Persona PSP for this year. It's possible TRINE might come out as well, other than that I know of nothing.

Well, that is a good point. I think TRINE will be released before the end of the year, though. But only 3 games in 5 months isn't quite the way I recall Atlus doing it in the past... so I suppose we'll have to see.

... And even though they didn't announce SRT: OGs/OGG, well, even though they also said they have no plans to release it... Atlus does do one thing in particular that would make that potentially possible... they announce games throughout the year instead of all at once. So... maybe some hope is left.

But then again, at the very least, we will probably see more announcements relatively soon.

[dragonlife29]

So...how's that trailer for Trauma Team going, Atlus? You're going to blow my mind tomorrow, RITE!? Rite? D:

I want to believe.

[Inzaghi]

http://www.gamervision.com/gamer/00_19/news/article/e3_09_persona_5_coming_to_next_gen_consoles_/?utm_campaign=00_19/news/article/e3_09_persona_5_coming_to_next_gen_consoles_&utm_medium=SocialMedia&utm_source=n4g

Tell us this is a mistake.



I wouldn't believe that considering that AtlusUSA wouldn't be the ones to announce something like that and Atlus(Japan) wasn't even at E3(right?).

Edit: Though Persona 5 on Xbox 360 or PS3 wouldn't be completely out of the question.

Yeah, the author of this story got wayyyyy carried away. All we said (echoing something that Japanese staffers of our parent company have also said) is that it's unlikely another Persona game, if/when it's made, will be on PS2. No one announced any actual games here.

[Macstorm]

Yeah, the author of this story got wayyyyy carried away. All we said (echoing something that Japanese staffers of our parent company have also said) is that it's unlikely another Persona game, if/when it's made, will be on PS2. No one announced any actual games here.

That's just common sense, too. Crazy people blowing things out of proportion.

[Takara_Kitsune]

Yeah, the author of this story got wayyyyy carried away. All we said (echoing something that Japanese staffers of our parent company have also said) is that it's unlikely another Persona game, if/when it's made, will be on PS2. No one announced any actual games here.

That's just common sense, too. Crazy people blowing things out of proportion.

Yeah... in my original posts before I edited them, I called out that website as being a gaming tabloid... their other stories were making radical claims like MGS4 for the 360, and there were typos on the front page that no self-respecting journalist would leave there. "Microsoft unvales games on demand"... Unvales? Seriously? -_-; Either way, I only believe a story if it comes from the developer themselves (meaning, if I got news from Atlus' newsletter or on the forums from someone I know works for Atlus) or if it comes from more than one legitimate news source, then it's believable. Legitimate news sources, by the way, would be Gamespot, IGN, Gametrailers, Destructoid, and Kotaku. (Yes, I realize Kotaku is just a blog of sorts. But they do pretty good at having information that is accurate.)

[King9999]

Legitimate news sources, by the way, would be Gamespot, IGN, Gametrailers, and Destructoid.

Better. :p

It's too bad the news wasn't for real, though. I was hoping that Atlus finally moved on to next-gen.

[yesfan951]

I doubt it would be on 360, everybody and their grandma owns a PS3 in Japan. If it was on PS3, they could make the game HUGE but still retain the same kinda graphics as the previous titles in the series. I see this as fantastic news, who needs good graphics anyways? Disgaea 3 kicked butt and it was built around those principles, and was a PS3 exclusive. I have faith in Atlus, and knowing them, they'll make a new engine based around what they used on SMT3. They would make alot more money if they made it exclusively for PS3 anyways, like the XBOX, the 360 isn't that popular in japan.

[Fuyukaze]

I was rather disapointed with the few titles anounced so far at E3 by Atlus but then I realized something. E3 isnt how Atlus would anounce any big titles. The ESRB, that's how Atlus would do it. Everyone stay tuned to the ESRB for future Atlus anouncments! Maybe Growlanser still has a chance? I realy hope it does.......

[DamageCity]

I doubt it would be on 360, everybody and their grandma owns a PS3 in Japan.


WHAT!!!

Don't get me wrong the PS3 is doing better here than the 360 here but that just means not that many people are buying those systems. If your statement was "everybody and their grandma owns a Wii in Japan" then I would agree.

They would make alot more money if they made it exclusively for PS3 anyways, like the XBOX, the 360 isn't that popular in japan.

You gotta remember Japan is pretty much in lockdown over the economy right now. If the PS3 or the 360 make any money here in the next year I will be surprised.

[Pibbman]

I doubt it would be on 360, everybody and their grandma owns a PS3 in Japan. If it was on PS3, they could make the game HUGE but still retain the same kinda graphics as the previous titles in the series. I see this as fantastic news, who needs good graphics anyways? Disgaea 3 kicked butt and it was built around those principles, and was a PS3 exclusive. I have faith in Atlus, and knowing them, they'll make a new engine based around what they used on SMT3. They would make alot more money if they made it exclusively for PS3 anyways, like the XBOX, the 360 isn't that popular in japan.

Would Atlus even consider doing SMT games on the Wii? Would Nintendo even allow it, keep in mind I'm talking about the game stories such as Nocturne? Maybe in Japan, but what about Nintendo America? There is also the factor about 3rd party games rarely being very successful on Nintendo platforms. While Devil Survivor is coming here, we don't know much about it's story yet.

If anyone has read the Atlus Japan interview over at Playmagazine's website (http://www.playmagazine.com/?fuseaction=SiteMain.Contentlist&search=Persona%204&format=PlayStation%202) , they have mentioned that Japan has and is still their main market despite all the attention going towards the western market now.

Keeping that in mind, there is really only two viable (non handheld) platforms for them. The Wii and the PS3, since they actually have a user-base over there. The PS3 is definitely a serious consideration for them, since it has a nice size user-base inside AND outside of Japan. We also can't forget that SMT4 was confirmed to be in the works back in 2005 for the PS3.

Lastly, if the title were even multiplatform, does Atlus USA have the means (money) to publish on BOTH platforms here in North America? That has to be a lot of money for a niche publisher, printing on two formats for HD consoles. Could the fact they are doing Demons Souls on the PS3 for release in NA be why there hasn't been anything else announced? Meaning it took up a large portion of their budget?

On a separate note, it'd be awesome to see Atlus Japan come to E3 one of these years.

[Iris]

Would Nintendo even allow it, keep in mind I'm talking about the game stories such as Nocturne?

If you're speaking of content/Nintendo's more family-friendly focus, as I assume you are: they did allow Eternal Darkness on GameCube. The fact that the darker games are less common doesn't mean they won't allow them.

That said, I don't expect to see Megaten go to Wii, personally. (But man, I want an Eternal Darkness sequel. :'( )

[VMan]

I doubt it would be on 360, everybody and their grandma owns a PS3 in Japan. If it was on PS3, they could make the game HUGE but still retain the same kinda graphics as the previous titles in the series. I see this as fantastic news, who needs good graphics anyways? Disgaea 3 kicked butt and it was built around those principles, and was a PS3 exclusive. I have faith in Atlus, and knowing them, they'll make a new engine based around what they used on SMT3. They would make alot more money if they made it exclusively for PS3 anyways, like the XBOX, the 360 isn't that popular in japan.

Would Atlus even consider doing SMT games on the Wii? Would Nintendo even allow it, keep in mind I'm talking about the game stories such as Nocturne? Maybe in Japan, but what about Nintendo America?


Well, I just think for a moment that Rockstar was able to release Manhunt 2 and conclude Reggie Fils-Aime and co. would have some odd morals if they didn't allow it. If by any chance you have the situation with Fatal Frame 4 in mind, NOA themselves would have been publishing which is why they made that call. I just don't see them denying certification of a MegaTen game with some of the other mature content I know already exists for the platform.

[Ike.]

My favorite Wii game (the one my avatar is from) has among its more notable features a form of powerup that requires you to pantomime furiously masturbating with the Wiimote to recharge the batteries on your sword. You also slice people in half with bloodsprays that would make Tarantino queasy. Nintendo greenlighted this, and we even got the uncensored version here in the U.S., which Japan didn't even get.

[dungeon_man]

All this talk of Nintendo not allowing SMT on the Wii is ridiculous. They didn't just allow Eternal Darkness, they helped develop it and published it. Also, their decision to not publish Fatal Frame 4 has nothing to do with "mature" content.

I would be surprised if we don't see a serious* SMT game on the Wii before this gen is over.

* serious = not counting games along the lines of Jack Bros. or Demi Kids.

[Gen Eric Gui]

Would Nintendo even allow it, keep in mind I'm talking about the game stories such as Nocturne?

If you're speaking of content/Nintendo's more family-friendly focus, as I assume you are: they did allow Eternal Darkness on GameCube. The fact that the darker games are less common doesn't mean they won't allow them.

That said, I don't expect to see Megaten go to Wii, personally. (But man, I want an Eternal Darkness sequel. :'( )

And don't forget Baroque! Personally, I'd say that game is much more dark than Nocturne, and we got that on the Wii. There's also Manhunt, for whatever that's worth.

AFAIK, Nintendo doesn't really "stop" 3rd parties from publishing particular games on their system, they just choose not to publich their own games sometimes(Which was the case with Fatal Frame 4.)

[VMan]

\Also, their decision to not publish Fatal Frame 4 has nothing to do with "mature" content.


I wasn't trying to imply it was though I see how my wording may make it seem so. I brung up Fatal Frame 4 as a response to this:

"Would Atlus even consider doing SMT games on the Wii? Would Nintendo even allow it, keep in mind I'm talking about the game stories such as Nocturne? Maybe in Japan, but what about Nintendo America?"

Fatal Frame 4 was a fresh example of Nintendo doing such a thing (e.g. publishing a game in other territories but not doing so in America). My point about mature content was that allowing mature content on the Wii, but denying the traditional themes of a MegaTen game is, IMHO, nonsense.

I don't know why NOA decided not to publish the game. But if you do, please share.

[PainKilleR-[CE]]

Fatal Frame 4 was a fresh example of Nintendo doing such a thing (e.g. publishing a game in other territories but not doing so in America). My point about mature content was that allowing mature content on the Wii, but denying the traditional themes of a MegaTen game is, IMHO, nonsense.

Themes dealing with religious issues specifically have been cause for censorship in games on almost every console in the US. In some cases it's just the publisher being overly-sensitive, but there are plenty of theories on the internet that the companies responsible for the consoles have kept games out of the country for less.

[yesfan951]

Does anybody remember Terranigma? It was one of the greatest games of all time, but was banned because it disprooved god. Yeah... I'm not sure how BOF2 was released, but it's a miracle we even have SMT games in the US! Im surpriseed that Disgaea or even Pokemon was released here. Ecspecially Nocturne, I've never seen such a controversal game in my life! And the PS3 recently outsold Wiis in Japan.

[ProudClod]

Personally, I think that the more people that get to play Megaten games (meaning 360 owners as well!), the better. Shin Megami Tensei is an amazing series, and I don't think it should be limited to one console.

However, despite this belief, I do not think multiplatform development is feasible for Atlus. Developing a game for more than one console is expensive. Publishing a game for more than one console is expensive. I'm fairly confident that Atlus will release their next generation games on one console.

Will it be PS3, or 360?

Seeing as Atlus games are fairly huge in Japan, and their games are created with the Japanese market in mind, I don't think they'll develop for the 360. The PS3 is outselling the 360 3:1 in Japan. This is pretty much the reason FFXIII is not coming to 360 in Japan either.

[yesfan951]

Any news on this so-called, "behind closed door showing" at E3?

[Fuyukaze]

My E3 spy finaly sends pics...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/ShadowTrunks/E3%202009/img030.jpg
I realy envy him.

[Soushi_Grapple]

Does anybody remember Terranigma? It was one of the greatest games of all time, but was banned because it disprooved god. Yeah... I'm not sure how BOF2 was released, but it's a miracle we even have SMT games in the US! Im surpriseed that Disgaea or even Pokemon was released here. Ecspecially Nocturne, I've never seen such a controversal game in my life! And the PS3 recently outsold Wiis in Japan.


I always thought we didn't get the game because Quintet and/or the SNES was going into its elderly years and about to die off.

Pokemon games still have a good market and mothers arent as snippity about it promoting abuse to animals as much as they used to. -.-;

[Enzeru]

Pokemon games still have a good market and mothers arent as snippity about it promoting abuse to animals as much as they used to. -.-;
Animal abuse? xD I know a family who, despite being full of teenagers, aren't allowed to play anything over E-rated games or Pokemon because you "evolve" your Pokemon. Poor politically incorrect Pokemon!

[lostinblue]

Yeah, the author of this story got wayyyyy carried away. All we said (echoing something that Japanese staffers of our parent company have also said) is that it's unlikely another Persona game, if/when it's made, will be on PS2. No one announced any actual games here.Here's hoping it's for the Wii then, lower development costs, faster development, , being able to use existing tech (SMT games don't need any better), leads by a country mile in Japan, is marketleader worldwide and of course... Atlus isn't a big company, why should they be wasting such money on HD platforms? (Wii has Dragon Quest X, which pretty much secures it's future as a RPG platform)

It's the only logic choice for a home platform. Although focusing on PSP and DS is also an option.Keeping that in mind, there is really only two viable (non handheld) platforms for them. The Wii and the PS3, since they actually have a user-base over there. The PS3 is definitely a serious consideration for them, since it has a nice size user-base inside AND outside of Japan. We also can't forget that SMT4 was confirmed to be in the works back in 2005 for the PS3.Just like "Persona PSP" was announced for PSP back in 2004, might not have been in development and was just meant to please investers? they should have backed out from the moment it was evident PS3 wouldn't lead the market.I don't know why NOA decided not to publish the game [Fatal Frame 4]. But if you do, please share.Supposedly because they requested for gameplay changes to be made (probably the flashlight) for US and Tecmo refused.

Either way, it was a definitely a matter between companies; Nintendo actually does the distribution for Capcom titles in Europe for instance, which means it's Nintendo doing distribution for Resident Evil games. They also brought both Trauma Center Wii games to europe, which means there's a existing relationship between them and Atlus. Which could bring such games over.Would Atlus even consider doing SMT games on the Wii? Would Nintendo even allow it, keep in mind I'm talking about the game stories such as Nocturne? Maybe in Japan, but what about Nintendo America? There is also the factor about 3rd party games rarely being very successful on Nintendo platforms. While Devil Survivor is coming here, we don't know much about it's story yet.Actually third party game sales for US is higher than X360. Plus, they usually don't put their AAA efforts on it due to their own stubborness.

Of course Nintendo would allow that, for starters Wii has the most horror games out/coming out. Just this year... Ju-On: The Grudge, Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, Dead Space Extraction, Fatal Frame IV, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, Resident Evil Darkside Chronicles, Winter, New Suda51+Shinji Mikami horror game, the Calling... only to name a few. They don't censor in any way whatever content developers want to put in there. (plus, recent famitsu studies in japan concluded Wii owners want RPG's whereas PS3 ones want action games and graphics (http://www.ps3center.net/news/3055/study-says-japanese-ps3-owners-are-graphics-whores/))

Plus, Atlus isn't even allowed to have doubts regarding that, they're still milking the trauma center series like mad on it because guess what... it sold like mad.

They ought to give us something more than a spin-off of sorts, we're market leaders.If anyone has read the Atlus Japan interview over at Playmagazine's website (http://www.playmagazine.com/?fuseaction=SiteMain.Contentlist&search=Persona%204&format=PlayStation%202) , they have mentioned that Japan has and is still their main market despite all the attention going towards the western market now.Should go for the Wii either way.

PS3 is too expensive and they'd instantly be on a platform that demands graphics... graphics cost money, no advantages in going there.Keeping that in mind, there is really only two viable (non handheld) platforms for them. The Wii and the PS3, since they actually have a user-base over there. The PS3 is definitely a serious consideration for them, since it has a nice size user-base inside AND outside of Japan. We also can't forget that SMT4 was confirmed to be in the works back in 2005 for the PS3.Just like "Persona PSP" was announced for PSP back in 2004, might not have been in development and was just meant to please investers? they should have backed out from the moment it was evident PS3 wouldn't lead the market.

Anyway, if Atlus doesn't even consider the Wii as a proper platform for their "proper" coretitles... they really should.

[Olethros]

They ought to give us something more than a spin-off of sorts, we're market leaders.


Us? We're? Are you trying to claim that you're a representative of Nintendo?

[ProudClod]

Just like "Persona PSP" was announced for PSP back in 2004, might not have been in development and was just meant to please investers? they should have backed out from the moment it was evident PS3 wouldn't lead the market.

Why didn't they back out of Persona PSP the moment it was evident PSP wouldn't lead the market? The DS is bitch-slapping the PSP all over the place. It's not even close. They could've ported Persona to the DS no problem, yet it's still coming out for the PSP.

Your logic is flawless...

[Syrione]

Actually third party game sales for US is higher than X360. Plus, they usually don't put their AAA efforts on it due to their own stubborness.



No proof whatsoever. Name a third party game. I know Trauma Center, Wii Sports and No More Heroes are 2nd party games not third. Also it's not out of stubborness it's actually about sales check any market data (except the data presented by nintendo themselves as they tend to bloat numbers, just look at the one they posted for the Gamecube sales of their games. Some are actually double(or more) that of actual gamecube console sales which is impossibility in itself)

Another thing is usually it's 3rd part casual games that actual sell better on WII not "hardcore games", there maybe a lot of vocal people saying that there are no hardcore games on the WII but we are actually the minority among WII owners.

[lostinblue]

Us? We're? Are you trying to claim that you're a representative of Nintendo?Of course not, by "us" I mean Wii owners.

For two reasons, firstly because Trauma Center sold like gangbucks on the Wii (one of the best selling Atlus games ever, and all this without bonus goodies), now... I know I'm not alone when I say I purchased the first one because I wanted more Atlus support, support that I haven't seen to this day, only sequels, hence why I'm not drawn for Hospital/Trauma Team for that precise reason, enough is enough, and I'm tired of getting "only" that, not to mention on a market leader platform, no less.

Second... How do you think Final Fantasy turned into the brand it is today? if Final Fantasy VII had come out on N64 do you think it would have made the breakthrough it did? it's pretty simple, think of pretty much any major franchise around and you'll see they always had their main instalments on the leading platform, ignoring the Wii on that premise is just stupid. Does it have hardcore gamers? check. Does it have the masses? double check. Does it have newcomers to gaming? triple check. (and FFX did the same, albeit to a lesser extent on the PS2)

Should be the developers wet dream when trying to expand their audience further, shame most lack the vision to actually capitalize on it. Thing is... they won't be able to do it with crappy spin-off's with gameplay no one asked for, they will be able to do it putting their absolutely best effort on it, just like they did on previous market leading platforms if you will. Hence the "ought" and yes, they ought.Why didn't they back out of Persona PSP the moment it was evident PSP wouldn't lead the market? The DS is bitch-slapping the PSP all over the place. It's not even close. They could've ported Persona to the DS no problem, yet it's still coming out for the PSP.I think you missed my point, we don't know wether Persona PSP that was announced back in 2004 was the Persona PSP (port) we ultimately got, but one thing is for sure, "if" it is the same game, then it was stuck in a gutter for a long time, the biggest reason for that being the PSP's slow start.

Also, I didn't say SMT games didn't have a place in non-leading platforms (and in PSP's case, unlike the others... a non-market leading platform that sells healthy in Japan), What I said was that Atlus ought to make leading platforms their goal in order to expand the franchise further. Plus, I also said Wii development means they can transfer their PS2 pipeline over, which is a win-win situation for them.Actually third party game sales for US is higher than X360.No proof whatsoever.Really?

http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_gamedaily/nintendo3rdpartysales.jpg

(click the link, as I don't want to make the thread heavy on estatistics)

"I actually think that given the number of comments made from industry executives at E3 (or thereabouts) about how they didn't put enough resources against development of Wii games that the industry has realized that the old adage of 'only first-party games sell on Nintendo systems' is absolutely incorrect. I think you're right that the data will cause a few eyebrows to lift," NPD industry analyst Anita Frazier commented.Source: http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/nintendo-thirdparty-games-not-selling-on-wii-is-a-false-assumption/?biz=1

And they have surpassed the all time sales for X360 software already, not just topped last year total X360 softwares with the ammount of Wii third party software sold.

Also:

each Wii owner has purchased 6.07 games for their system since launch worldwide, a figure that's in line with the competition. The US audience is even hungrier for Wii games, as the attach rates for systems in America is 7.48 games per system. In the past fiscal year, Nintendo increased its amount of million-sellers on the Wii from five to 26. Super Smash Bros. Brawl has sold 4.85 million units worldwide alone, and that's before the game even launches in the UK.Source: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080425-nintendos-earnings-reveal-an-unstoppable-gaming-juggernaut.html

In line except Wii has more consoles sold (and such number increased already).

Last year, total third party software sold throughtout the year on the wii topped the total sales for X360 software. But yeah, let's suppose it doesn't sell.Name a third party game. I know Trauma Center, Wii Sports and No More Heroes are 2nd party games not third.Know your stuff... Trauma Center and No More Heroes ARE third party. (and Wii Sports is first party, made in Nintendo R&D1)(except the data presented by nintendo themselves as they tend to bloat numbers, just look at the one they posted for the Gamecube sales of their games. Some are actually double(or more) that of actual gamecube console sales which is impossibility in itself)Seriously? they BLOAT NPD data? At most they'll market spin it, just like Sony and Microsoft do, except Nintendo is the one that needs to put less spin to their arguments this gen... get over it (and let's not head into console wars)

In short: You can't possibly "overblow" NPD numbers, NPD would just come out and debunk it. Instead you can spin it but Nintendo has no need for it.Another thing is usually it's 3rd part casual games that actual sell better on WII not "hardcore games", there maybe a lot of vocal people saying that there are no hardcore games on the WII but we are actually the minority among WII owners.*sigh* Let's do something here...

See PSone? when the PSone came out in Japan it was considered a "casual console" because, despite selling more units, multiplatform games with Sega Saturn used to sell more on Saturn (note: such is not the case with the Wii, as Wii has no competitors when it comes to 7th generation home consoles in japan) and PSone was known to sell mostly lighter games to a less serious userbase... Then FF7 came.

Similarly, in US, Saturn never really took of, but PSone was a platform that set out to expand the market and thus entry point games, often bad, like movie-tie-ins made the rounds (games based of movies was actually one of the reasons Sony entered the market). Then... FF7 came out.

FF7 cashed-in on a audience of both old and new gamers (but mostly newcomers since the sales were multiplied several times from the last outing on SNES) and PSone went to become what it is today.

You know the rest.



Can we get over it?

[Syrione]

Actually third party game sales for US is higher than X360.No proof whatsoever.Really?

http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_gamedaily/nintendo3rdpartysales.jpg

(click the link, as I don't want to make the thread heavy on estatistics)

"I actually think that given the number of comments made from industry executives at E3 (or thereabouts) about how they didn't put enough resources against development of Wii games that the industry has realized that the old adage of 'only first-party games sell on Nintendo systems' is absolutely incorrect. I think you're right that the data will cause a few eyebrows to lift," NPD industry analyst Anita Frazier commented.Source: http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/nintendo-thirdparty-games-not-selling-on-wii-is-a-false-assumption/?biz=1

And they have surpassed the all time sales for X360 software already, not just topped last year total X360 softwares with the ammount of Wii third party software sold.

Also:

each Wii owner has purchased 6.07 games for their system since launch worldwide, a figure that's in line with the competition. The US audience is even hungrier for Wii games, as the attach rates for systems in America is 7.48 games per system. In the past fiscal year, Nintendo increased its amount of million-sellers on the Wii from five to 26. Super Smash Bros. Brawl has sold 4.85 million units worldwide alone, and that's before the game even launches in the UK.Source: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080425-nintendos-earnings-reveal-an-unstoppable-gaming-juggernaut.html

In line except Wii has more consoles sold (and such number increased already).

Last year, total third party software sold throughtout the year on the wii topped the total sales for X360 software. But yeah, let's suppose it doesn't sell.

Good you proved me wrong there. But that only by ripping it out of context.


Name a third party game. I know Trauma Center, Wii Sports and No More Heroes are 2nd party games not third.Know your stuff... Trauma Center and No More Heroes ARE third party. (and Wii Sports is first party, made in Nintendo R&D1) sell.

Trauma Center by Atlus (but co-published by Nintendo in some areas in the world making it second party). Ok I was wrong No More Heroes was fully third party. Wii Sports is somewhat second part Namco was involved in it's development to an extent.


(except the data presented by nintendo themselves as they tend to bloat numbers, just look at the one they posted for the Gamecube sales of their games. Some are actually double(or more) that of actual gamecube console sales which is impossibility in itself)

Seriously? they BLOAT NPD data? At most they'll market spin it, just like Sony and Microsoft do, except Nintendo is the one that needs to put less spin to their arguments this gen... get over it (and let's not head into console wars)

In short: You can't possibly "overblow" NPD numbers, NPD would just come out and debunk it. Instead you can spin it but Nintendo has no need for it.

I didn't say they bloated that one NPD is very reliable. But Ninty does bloat data as the said example I gave.



Another thing is usually it's 3rd part casual games that actual sell better on WII not "hardcore games", there maybe a lot of vocal people saying that there are no hardcore games on the WII but we are actually the minority among WII owners.*sigh* Let's do something here...



See PSone? when the PSone came out in Japan it was considered a "casual console" because, despite selling more units, multiplatform games with Sega Saturn used to sell more on Saturn (note: such is not the case with the Wii, as Wii has no competitors when it comes to 7th generation home consoles in japan) and PSone was known to sell mostly lighter games to a less serious userbase... Then FF7 came.

Similarly, in US, Saturn never really took of, but PSone was a platform that set out to expand the market and thus entry point games, often bad, like movie-tie-ins made the rounds (games based of movies was actually one of the reasons Sony entered the market). Then... FF7 came out.

FF7 cashed-in on a audience of both old and new gamers (but mostly newcomers since the sales were multiplied several times from the last outing on SNES) and PSone went to become what it is today.

You know the rest.


This is conjecture at this point in time. But we'll see there have been some nice good RPG's stated for the Wii. We'll also see how MH3 does. I don't care for the console wars BTW I only have a WII among the "current gen" consoles.