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Wiseman4545
05-22-2009, 05:01 PM
At one point in the game Mr. Blonde Haired Man is referred to as "Beelzeboo" by the Mushibito, which Blonde Haired Man quickly recognizes as the name for "The Lord of Flies". Now it seems most logical that they're referring to Beelzebub, Lord of the Flies, who has made frequent appearances throughout MegaTen. What's not so obvious is why the name is spelled "Beelzeboo" rather than "Beelzebub". It does not appear to be an alternate spelling of the name, nor would that explain why an alternate spelling would be used anyway. Even his human form was previously called "Baal Zebul", so it doesn't even make sense to be a name used just to refer to a human Beelzebub. I have a hard time believing it was merely a mistake on Atlus' part either.

This question was brought up on another board and nobody could come up with a good answer, so I'm hoping someone from Atlus themselves can give a proper explanation, though if anyone else has any insight they could share it would be welcome.

OverGAR
05-22-2009, 05:04 PM
Because Mushibito don't talk well? :confused:

I remember they were the only ones who spelled his true name.

Wiseman4545
05-22-2009, 05:07 PM
I would have considered that it was merely the Mushibito's speech impediment, however Blonde Haired Man says it the same way. Plus even though the Mushibito like to jumble their words together they still seem pronounce everything fully, and "Beelzeboo" is missing the "B" sound at the end.

Inzaghi
05-22-2009, 10:14 PM
Because Mushibito don't talk well? :confused:

I remember they were the only ones who spelled his true name.

This. It's really not any more complicated. They say "Apoluawn" for "Apollyon," "Bellzeboo" for "Beelzebub," and "Pojitrawn" for... well, something else. (And this wasn't a fabrication on Atlus USA's part either, mind you; the Tento corrupted those same names, albeit maybe not in exactly the same way, in the original release.)

The Blonde Young Man says "Bellzeboo" because, IIRC, he's referring to what the Tento call him.

Wiseman4545
05-22-2009, 10:47 PM
I see. I guess I just figured he would have said it properly once he recognized what they meant, but I suppose it makes sense.

OverGAR
05-24-2009, 09:34 AM
But, can you obtain the demon Beelzebub? D: hey Louise, I have your twin brother with me xD

MetatronTorment
05-26-2009, 05:36 PM
Because Mushibito don't talk well? :confused:

I remember they were the only ones who spelled his true name.

This. It's really not any more complicated. They say "Apoluawn" for "Apollyon," "Bellzeboo" for "Beelzebub," and "Pojitrawn" for... well, something else. (And this wasn't a fabrication on Atlus USA's part either, mind you; the Tento corrupted those same names, albeit maybe not in exactly the same way, in the original release.)

The Blonde Young Man says "Bellzeboo" because, IIRC, he's referring to what the Tento call him.
As I recall, they also call Shinado "Shinwando."

OverGAR
05-26-2009, 09:39 PM
I think this is a heavy spoiler D:
Mr. Blonde Haired Man is Lucifer. When you finish the Chaos ending you can fight him and he reveal himself.

But i don't undestand why he call himself Beelzebub? or it is because Lucifer was Beelzebub for some people in the past?

piyochan
05-27-2009, 05:39 AM
I think this is a heavy spoiler D:
Mr. Blonde Haired Man is Lucifer. When you finish the Chaos ending you can fight him and he reveal himself.

But i don't undestand why he call himself Beelzebub? or it is because Lucifer was Beelzebub for some people in the past?
This is my guess:
Maybe Lucifer and Beelzebub are just share the same human appearance.
At the first fight with Lucifer in second playthrough, Beelzebub also appeared and his statement suggested that he is the blond young man, too.

kufufu
05-28-2009, 01:01 PM
I think this is a heavy spoiler D:
Mr. Blonde Haired Man is Lucifer. When you finish the Chaos ending you can fight him and he reveal himself.

But i don't undestand why he call himself Beelzebub? or it is because Lucifer was Beelzebub for some people in the past?

Yeaaah. Also, in either chapter 6 or 7, if you talk to a certain character, they will recall a conversation they had with him and he'll reveal his name to be Louis Cypher.

Ark
06-03-2009, 11:33 PM
I think this is a heavy spoiler D:
Mr. Blonde Haired Man is Lucifer. When you finish the Chaos ending you can fight him and he reveal himself.

But i don't undestand why he call himself Beelzebub? or it is because Lucifer was Beelzebub for some people in the past?

It's generally believed to be the same person. It could be different in the SMT universe though.

cj iwakura
06-09-2009, 03:28 PM
Question about that Chaos final boss.

Is that where you side with Dahn? Because that's the ending I got.

Can you only fight Lucy on a second run?

Ark
06-09-2009, 04:40 PM
Question about that Chaos final boss.

Is that where you side with Dahn? Because that's the ending I got.

Can you only fight Lucy on a second run?

Do every Fiend case file (You must talk the "Blonde Young Man" in the Catholic church first to get them.). Eventually a few case file pops up leading you to him (Assuming you did every case file the "blonde young man" gives you.).

unknown
06-09-2009, 04:53 PM
Ah I see now, I was wondering who the #### Lucy was >_>