Reissue of Persona games...

[Quig]

If we got enough signatures, do you think that Atlus would rerelease Persona 1 & 2 for a limited amount of time? I know that I would totally buy them both and of course the PSP remake. Until then, I'll be haunting eBay... :very_sad:

[Takara_Kitsune]

Well, no chance of a reissue of Persona 1, with the enhanced port on the way. (May as well be a total remake, though...)

I've got an odd feeling that Persona 2 (meaning both Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment) will get the remake treatment as well in the near future.

Just remember, you won't find Innocent Sin in English, at least, not officially, and Eternal Punishment is a rare commodity as well. I got lucky with that 'available for 10 minutes reprint' back in November or whatever... which was a decidedly small number for a reprint, so I think it was more of a rediscovered lost stash of them, to be honest.

I'd just say to keep on looking, you'll probably find them eventually, but I'm going to consider the PSP version my P1 experience, and I have Eternal Punishment, but I'd gladly buy a PSP remake, for sure... even moreso if we got Innocent Sin. :P

Oh, also, Atlus doesn't take kindly to petitions. I'd advise against it.

[Quig]

Really? Even if its a good petition to show them that a lot of people are still interested in their older product? I'll still be looking for the PS1 Persona origins even if they both of them on the PSP. I would like to see Atlus make a Persona Collectors Edition for the PS3, let it be Persona 1, 2, 3 FES, and 4 on one blu-ray disc. That would kick ass!

[Rednusander]

Oh, also, Atlus doesn't take kindly to petitions. I'd advise against it.

[Hamel]

I would like to see Atlus make a Persona Collectors Edition for the PS3, let it be Persona 1, 2, 3 FES, and 4 on one blu-ray disc. That would kick ass!

and a waste of money

[Emilio Morales]

I've got an odd feeling that Persona 2 (meaning both Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment) will get the remake treatment as well in the near future.

Me too! And I'm hoping this comes true! Really, Persona 2 was my first Megaten game, that's why I love it so much and I WOULD DEFINITELY buy it if happens the same with Persona 1 on the PSP.

And of course, it would be a perfect opportunity for us to have Innocent Sin officially localized. :)

[Takara_Kitsune]

I've got an odd feeling that Persona 2 (meaning both Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment) will get the remake treatment as well in the near future.

Me too! And I'm hoping this comes true! Really, Persona 2 was my first Megaten game, that's why I love it so much and I WOULD DEFINITELY buy it if happens the same with Persona 1 on the PSP.

And of course, it would be a perfect opportunity for us to have Innocent Sin officially localized. :)

Well... while I say I think it would happen, maybe it's just wishful thinking. Although looking at Japanese sales of Persona PSP, I would think it would surely be a good thing for all parties involved. As well, I think the very issues that prevented Innocent Sin from getting a release would be a non-issue... provided the rumors on it's non-release are true.

[SlaughterX]

You guys just need to suck it up and release P2 on the PSN or something, stop hating on DD when it's probably your greatest friend...

[Foobar]

I'm actually curious why you'd want the original versions -aside from the original music tracks - I have no reason to want them. I don't exactly want to be reminded of how things used to be localized.

[Takara_Kitsune]

Besides the censorship of Innocent Sin by not releasing it in North America at all, Eternal Punishment actually seems to be alright translation-wise.

... And to be honest, some people really, really hate Japanese Mark, and want the North American Mark instead. I don't have an opinion since I haven't played P1 in any form, but, I can see where the arguments come from.

I haven't heard the new music, but I've heard the old stuff. So long as they keep "Poems of Everybody's Souls/Poem for Everyone's Souls" I don't really care. Considering more or less, that's THE Velvet Room theme, I don't think we'll get anything else.

[King9999]

You guys just need to suck it up and release P2 on the PSN or something, stop hating on DD when it's probably your greatest friend...

This is the best solution, as far as I'm concerned. PSN could use more PSone Classics.

[Foobar]

Besides the censorship of Innocent Sin by not releasing it in North America at all, Eternal Punishment actually seems to be alright translation-wise.

... And to be honest, some people really, really hate Japanese Mark, and want the North American Mark instead. I don't have an opinion since I haven't played P1 in any form, but, I can see where the arguments come from.

I haven't heard the new music, but I've heard the old stuff. So long as they keep "Poems of Everybody's Souls/Poem for Everyone's Souls" I don't really care. Considering more or less, that's THE Velvet Room theme, I don't think we'll get anything else.

I'm not a fan of censoring content in games that wasn't really that controversial to start with, additionally, while I do prefer an English translation, I prefer the character's attitudes and setting reflect their culture and surroundings whether I end up hating certain characters for it or not.

One of the DS games I'm playing right now is The World Ends with You. I find Neku to but positively annoying as a character, particularly since he's derived from the Cloud/Squall archtype. I hate these characters with every fiber of my being, but so long as everything else is balanced against them, I'll deal with it. Bring on Japanese Mark.

[poiuiu]

This is the best solution, as far as I'm concerned. PSN could use more PSone Classics.

That's hardly Atlus', nor any other third party publisher's, fault.

/me looks at Japanese PSN classic store.

[Quig]

To those who feel that the PSN would be a great asset for rereleasing a PS1 game, I agree. I never had the chance to get into the SMT franchise until after P3 FES came out. Between college and the military, I did not have time for anything. Now that I do have more time, I want to explore the roots of the SMT series. Persona 2 had two different releases.... If Atlus wanted, you would have to beat the U.S. version of Persona 2, to unlock the other version. Naturally, I would expect Atlus to go threw the games and clean up some of the bad translations and tweak some of the graphics. Now, for those that want to see them released on the PSP, I am cool with that as well. That would probably be the route that gets taken. I'd be happy if Atlus found another "stash" and sold them, so I can pick them up and support Atlus, instead of funding somebody who is selling the game for $100 and up.

[Foobar]

To those who feel that the PSN would be a great asset for rereleasing a PS1 game, I agree. I never had the chance to get into the SMT franchise until after P3 FES came out. Between college and the military, I did not have time for anything. Now that I do have more time, I want to explore the roots of the SMT series. Persona 2 had two different releases.... If Atlus wanted, you would have to beat the U.S. version of Persona 2, to unlock the other version. Naturally, I would expect Atlus to go threw the games and clean up some of the bad translations and tweak some of the graphics. Now, for those that want to see them released on the PSP, I am cool with that as well. That would probably be the route that gets taken. I'd be happy if Atlus found another "stash" and sold them, so I can pick them up and support Atlus, instead of funding somebody who is selling the game for $100 and up.

People keep going on and one about the people who buy up the games, but they don't seem to realize Atlus already got their money from those people and, as such, have lost nothing. You're not giving Atlus anymore money by buying it yourself.

Additionally - and I hate to have to keep pointing this out - but memory sticks and hard drives inevitably fail. There is a much smaller chance of your game getting stolen or destroyed when its under your watch.

Also, you don't seem to understand that Persona 2 has never actually seen a full release in the US. We only got the second scenario of that game. There is the Innocent Sin scenario and then the Eternal Punishment one. Think of it like "The Answer" for Persona 3 FES, except taking place in a parallel world where the characters you met previously don't know each other.

I don't want just Eternal Punishment again, I want the whole thing with Innocent Sin localized to reflect the culture it came from rather than the one it tried too hard to appeal to or the version that's presently being pirated with fan translation (oxymoron right there, how can you be a fan when you steal from someone you like?).

I don't think people just want the Eternal Punishment scenario, I think they want both and if that's the case

You have to realize the industry is in a transitional phase and the way things stand right now, there's not much to gain in localizing or enhancing games when Sony, MS and Nintendo will be hosting such content and handling the sale of them. In other words - they want a piece of the pie, too.

Its easy enough for Nintendo to port over games they've sold and made emulation for in the past. That's backlog. A full US version of Persona 2 is not backlogged - people gotta be paid for that localization work.

So its not as cut-and-dry as the DD people are making it out to be. Digital Distribution is not yet the standard, as much as we may like it to be, and there's a lot to work out before it can become the standard.

[SlaughterX]

There's not stopping Atlus from dumping the P2 EP ROM on Sony's servers and making some money. No one claimed it to be a standard, but when there's obviously a demand for your game and a simple way of distributing said game that costs you less than actually reprinting the discs and what not, then why not use it? Sure, we all want a legit US release of IS, but do you think not having that part of P2 that we never had over here in the first place is going to stop someone from wanting to play the part that they can?

[VMan]

Additionally - and I hate to have to keep pointing this out - but memory sticks and hard drives inevitably fail. There is a much smaller chance of your game getting stolen or destroyed when its under your watch.



I find myself bringing up that same very point oh so many times when "colliding" with those are who are headfirst pro DD. I understand the convenience of it, but I also think it is very foolish to place so much trust/dependence on non-volatile magnetic or flash storage because (and I do believe a lot of people don't realize this) it is NOT permanent solution.

As you said, there WILL come a time when that memory WILL inevitably fail and EVERYTHING on it WILL be lost. The immediate convenience is not enough for me to sacrifice an effective long-term security solution.

That being said, while I can't speak for Atlus' future product distribution specifically, I do think the industry will inevitably continue to make strides towards more DD models. I'm simply hoping the option will remain available for those who prefer a physical copy. I'm also hoping people don't get so caught up in the "bliss" of the immediate convenience of digital storage that they become ignorant to the potential ramifications of placing too much trust in it and reliance on it.

[SlaughterX]

Luckily you can just redownload the games...

[VMan]

There's not stopping Atlus from dumping the P2 EP ROM on Sony's servers and making some money. No one claimed it to be a standard, but when there's obviously a demand for your game and a simple way of distributing said game that costs you less than actually reprinting the discs and what not, then why not use it? Sure, we all want a legit US release of IS, but do you think not having that part of P2 that we never had over here in the first place is going to stop someone from wanting to play the part that they can?

One thing I have to wonder about that is just how much of a cut (if any) does the host get of the sales? Sure, Atlus would save on manufacturing and distribution, but if they would still have to cough up a percentage to Sony for every copy sold on PSN, would it really be that much more cost effective for them? I'd really like to know the answer to that question.

[VMan]

Luckily you can just redownload the games...

"I'm also hoping people don't get so caught up in the "bliss" of the immediate convenience of digital storage that they become ignorant to the potential ramifications of placing too much trust in it and reliance on it."

I've been through this oh so many times.

[SlaughterX]

I'm sure they make more money rereleasing the game on the PS and selling them for full price than they would if they had just put it up for download online, but who's to say they wouldn't sell more copies of the game one way or another...

Also I am aware that they could shut down servers, just as I am aware that an actual disc can be stolen or broken. Anyway I'm not saying that they should go completely DD, I'm saying that for these older games that people still want to buy, it makes sense to make DD an option.

[Quig]

I'm going to Classic Console & Arcade Game Show this weekend near Cleveland. Hopefully, some of the venders will be selling PS1 games. If they don't have P1 or P2, then I'll be looking for some info as to where to go looking for it.

[Takara_Kitsune]

I'm going to Classic Console & Arcade Game Show this weekend near Cleveland. Hopefully, some of the venders will be selling PS1 games. If they don't have P1 or P2, then I'll be looking for some info as to where to go looking for it.

Oh? We have such a thing here? Um... out of curiousity, where is it held, and does one need to pre-register?

Edit:
Nevermind, found the info. Seems like it wouldn't have PS1 stuff, but I suppose you never know. ^^ It's real close, too. Too bad I work until 6PM tomorrow and am too lazy to check after.

[Quig]

it cost $2 to get in, and $1 for children under 12. You have to give them your email address was all that I heard.

[slayn]

This thread is stupid. It's just another version of an argument that was done to death the day after Virtual Arcade/PSN/XBLA went live. It's not happening. Suck it up and stop your whining.

[ebullientsoul]

This thread is stupid. It's just another version of an argument that was done to death the day after Virtual Arcade/PSN/XBLA went live. It's not happening. Suck it up and stop your whining.

I haven't been around, but it seems like with (what I assume is) relative success of the recent Persona games, a question of a small scale reissue of the older games for newcomers *ahem* to the series is not out of the question.

On a more personal scale: My guess is Atlus is already up to their eyeballs in things that need to be translated and even if they were to undertake the project seriously, it wouldn't be announced for a while.

It's a nice idea anyway, and the odds are it will never happen, so why not let people talk about the potential of Persona reissues? Plus, let's not kid ourselves, we're a subset of a subset of a genre of gaming (Atlus>JRPGs>RPGs period) , the demand, while fervent, is probably not that high to justify whatever expense would be put into it.

[unknown]

We've talked about it during and after the peak of SMT popularity (release of P3, P4), it's most likely not going to happen.

[SickleCellAnemia]

This thread is stupid. It's just another version of an argument that was done to death the day after Virtual Arcade/PSN/XBLA went live. It's not happening. Suck it up and stop your whining.

I haven't been around, but it seems like with (what I assume is) relative success of the recent Persona games, a question of a small scale reissue of the older games for newcomers *ahem* to the series is not out of the question.
Already happened for Persona 2 EP. And Persona well, we all know what's happening with that...

[Takara_Kitsune]

This thread is stupid. It's just another version of an argument that was done to death the day after Virtual Arcade/PSN/XBLA went live. It's not happening. Suck it up and stop your whining.

Well, I don't think they'd do it, as I said, but... I was trying to be nice about it.

Aside from my previous arguments, there are people who actually go out of their way to have every single game in a particular series... I mean, I guess it's different yet the same as me owning both Pokemon Red, and Pokemon FireRed. The main difference is that Pokemon Red was common. So was FireRed. And that I obtained both when they were actually still sold at major retail outlets as new. Point is, if I only had FireRed, would it be worth my effort to go back and get original Red? Nope. Would it make my obsessive-compulsive desire to have all of the games feel better? Damn right it would. (But I'm working on that, anyway. I've gotten more than my share of bad games by just buying something that's in a series because I'm bothered by not having them...)

Fact is, Persona 2: EP probably won't be reprinted again. And if it was, there would be another situation where not everyone that wanted a copy gets one. Persona 1 for PS1 will not be reprinted, since there is the PSP remake. Atlus is partially releasing the PSP version to meet the demand of newcomers to the series. I started with P3, just like many current SMT fans... so the fact is, none of us were playing back when P1 and P2 were released, for some reason or another. A reprint of P1 has become impossible with the remake, and a DD version is unlikely, unless it is a UMD Legacy type of deal after the initial print run ends for the remake. The PS1 version, for all intents and purposes, does not exist anymore. (Unless you're extremely lucky and get it used somewhere locally...)

As far as the potential on Persona 2. Eternal Punishment could be released as a download. However, Innocent Sin, with it's lack of a translation, is a definite "No". A potential remake of both Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment is, in my opinion, imminent. As it stands, Atlus USA would take on these remakes... unless for some unknown reason, the entire SMT series loses all popularity suddenly. So a remake is the only way we'll ever see an official English Innocent Sin. Eternal Punishment could be released as a download if, and only if, there is no remake of the Persona 2 Saga. At the moment, Atlus USA is clearly holding out for this potential. I believe a remake of Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment is, in fact, inevitable. However, the real question is, how long would it take for said remakes? It's obvious that the engine for the game is made, since Persona 1 has been remade already. The Persona 2 Saga ran on a modified Persona 1 engine. Odds are, the engine used in the Persona Remake was already set up to allow the Persona 2 Saga to run on it. In other words, while the Persona Remake was in production for as long as 3 years, it would have included building the engine. Now that it's built, a new game could be made in potentially 1 to 2 years. Using Persona 3 as an example, it would appear to me that 2 years is about right... but since the games have already been made for PS1, it's merely a matter of recreating the existing game in the new format... so I place it at 1 year. If in one year, we have not heard of a Persona 2 remake, then you may yell at me.

... Oh well. I suppose that's really off topic.

tl;dr: Persona 2: Eternal Punishment won't be reprinted again, Persona 1 as it existed on PS1 no longer exists, all PS1 Persona games have a 90% chance of being remade on PSP, but the PS1 versions will not likely be distributed digitally. (Even my short version is long... >.>)

[reason1313]

I'd just like to state that i am damn tired of seeing games like Innocent Sin censored in the US.

I own the rest of the US released Persona games, but i'm a sad panda because someone else made a decision on Innocent Sin and screwed me of what i probably in all fairness would consider a great gaming experience.

[Migz]

I'm still hoping they'll port the Persona games to the DS. And I'm REALLY hoping that they'll release and localize the rest of the Shin Megami games on the handhelds.

[Quig]

I thought I read somebody saying that Atlus wouldn't release games to the PSN? If that is true, then why are the R-Types on there? Were they not Atlus games since they are in the 'older section' game listings.... Slayn, way to be a d!ck. As for the Persona games, I found them both and paid $70 altogether for them. I'm glad they are remaking P1, cause the PSone version is not so good. As for P2, the censorship pisses me off, and the fact that it is only half the story is a damn shame. Atlus will not reissue these because they lack the standard that they maintain today. Atlus has already redone P1 for the PSP and I'm sure that P2 will get the same treatment and hopefully, we will not get screwed. After all, the when P2 was released, Columbine happened so a game that featured school violence (like Innocent Sin) would have been taboo. If Atlus remakes P2, then hopefully we will get both parts.