Is Persona 4 considered a low budget game?

[Girl_Gamer7]

Well is it gentlemen?

[Kakizaki]

Why are you asking and why not offer up your opinion first?

[Pibbman]

Why are you asking and why not offer up your opinion first?

I don't think he was asking for opinions, I think he's just wondering if by Atlus standards if it's low budget or not.

Personally the only "low" budget game I know of in Atlus's arsenal is the devil summoner series, at least in comparison to their other titles.

[Kakizaki]

^That's just it. We don't know exactly what she is asking. Not a big deal.

[Girl_Gamer7]

Well like P4 came out in 2008 on the PS2 but other rpgs like Tales of Vesperia and Fallout 3 came out the 360 and PS3. P4 is a great game and everything but it would be better if it was on the 360/PS3. So like it was low budget right?

[Kakizaki]

No...

[VMan]

Well like P4 came out in 2008 on the PS2 but other rpgs like Tales of Vesperia and Fallout 3 came out the 360 and PS3. P4 is a great game and everything but it would be better if it was on the 360/PS3. So like it was low budget right?

Why would it have been "better" if it was developed for 360 or PS3?

[Pibbman]

Well like P4 came out in 2008 on the PS2 but other rpgs like Tales of Vesperia and Fallout 3 came out the 360 and PS3. P4 is a great game and everything but it would be better if it was on the 360/PS3. So like it was low budget right?

Why would it have been "better" if it was developed for 360 or PS3?

Well, I think it's clear that Atlus knows how to MAKE a game, on one of those platforms it could definitely look better at least. Now I'm not trying to start a "visual" argument here either before someone goes flaring up about that.

[Futomimi]

i am so confused. Is this a joke?

[VMan]

Well like P4 came out in 2008 on the PS2 but other rpgs like Tales of Vesperia and Fallout 3 came out the 360 and PS3. P4 is a great game and everything but it would be better if it was on the 360/PS3. So like it was low budget right?

Why would it have been "better" if it was developed for 360 or PS3?

Well, I think it's clear that Atlus knows how to MAKE a game, on one of those platforms it could definitely look better at least. Now I'm not trying to start a "visual" argument here either before someone goes flaring up about that.

Well I was indeed wondering if she's trying to say it would have been better because the graphics would be enhanced and/or she thinks the gameplay would have been non-trivially enhanced.

[SickleCellAnemia]

Personally the only "low" budget game I know of in Atlus's arsenal is the devil summoner series, at least in comparison to their other titles.
I hope you're not including Soul Hackers...

[jeffx]

Is Girl_Gamer7 considered a low budget poster?

[Kakizaki]

Personally the only "low" budget game I know of in Atlus's arsenal is the devil summoner series, at least in comparison to their other titles.

Huh? Based of off what? Your opinion?

[dungeon_man]

Well is it gentlemen?

Man, I wish I had admin powers...


Anyway, to attempt a serious answer to a completely nonsensical question:

Yes. Atlus Japan, Sting, Success, and anything else Atlus USA publishes comes from smaller companies who do not have the development budgets typical of a Square Enix title, for example.

However, I fail to see how the size of a game's budget matters to anybody but the game's producers, and I fail to see how the games would magically get better if they were on another console.

Find something more interesting to talk about. You know, like that racial thing.

[DamageCity]

Personally the only "low" budget game I know of in Atlus's arsenal is the devil summoner series, at least in comparison to their other titles.

hoo boy...

[Kakizaki]

Man, I wish I had admin powers...Unfortunately I can't just lock threads with wild abandon no matter how much I disagree with them.

In the past, some people thought I locked threads too quickly anyway...

That being said, this one may get the axe. It seems like it has the potential to be a fire starter.

[Pibbman]

Personally the only "low" budget game I know of in Atlus's arsenal is the devil summoner series, at least in comparison to their other titles.
I hope you're not including Soul Hackers...

I wouldn't know because I never played it.

Personally the only "low" budget game I know of in Atlus's arsenal is the devil summoner series, at least in comparison to their other titles.

Huh? Based of off what? Your opinion?

Of course. imo when I look at all the games released on the PS2, personally I think devil summoner doesn't appear to have as high of a budget as the other games.

[Kakizaki]

I wouldn't know because I never played it.Then don't make a general statement that could encompass the entirety of the series.

I think devil summoner doesn't appear to have as high of a budget as the other games. Based off of what? The graphics engine of the first DS title on PS2? I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm just trying to understand how you have formulated your opinion. You stated that the only low budget Atlus title / series you "knew of" was Devil Summoner. You can't just assume it is low budget based purely off of your opinion and project that belief as a fact.

[Futomimi]

Man, I wish I had admin powers...Unfortunately I can't just lock threads with wild abandon no matter how much I disagree with them.

In the past, some people thought I locked threads too quickly anyway...

That being said, this one may get the axe. It seems like it has the potential to be a fire starter.

In the new Atlus tradition of being extremely offended by everything, I'm extremely offended that I was addressed as "gentlemen" in the OP. I'm giving you 2 minutes to fix this transgression before I'm overcome by my delicate sensibilities, and am forced to complain to an admin. plzkthxbye

[Girl_Gamer7]

I'm from gamfaqs and everything but I'm not trying to troll. Honest!

I'll try to ask the question better.

Okay, so P4 came out on the PS2 in 2008 instead of PS3/360. Did Persona 4 come out on the PS2 because it was a smart marketing move or was it because it was low budget (as in, they dont have the money to make it for PS3/360).

[Kakizaki]

^Probably because of the large installed user base of the PS2 in Atlus JP's home territory.

Yes it is a financial decision and yes it is costly to develop on the PS3 and 360, but that doesn't make a title a budget title.

[rainking187]

Man, I wish I had admin powers...Unfortunately I can't just lock threads with wild abandon no matter how much I disagree with them.

In the past, some people thought I locked threads too quickly anyway...


I don't think anyone's going to blame you here.

[Hitoshura]

This smells like a topic started to solve some sort of argument elsewhere.

[Kakizaki]

^Yeah, I believe she did mention Gfaqs.

[Camanche]

In the new Atlus tradition of being extremely offended by everything, I'm extremely offended that I was addressed as "gentlemen" in the OP. I'm giving you 2 minutes to fix this transgression before I'm overcome by my delicate sensibilities, and am forced to complain to an admin. plzkthxbye

Huzzah!!

Maybe you should just step away from gfaqs? That place makes my brain hurt.

[Maha_Bufu_Dyne]

Oh God Lord, Flacco is here too?!...

[DamageCity]

I think people are having a hard time understanding what the term "low budget" actually means.

[Futomimi]

So... Persona 4 = not made on RPG Maker = High budget?

[Vincent Alexander]

^Awww...So, my RPG Maker game I created as a kid about a werepanda saving the world from terrorists doesn't count as high budget?

[chluophobi]

Just because it was on the PS2 doesn't mean it was low budget. There just isn't a current engine that Atlus has released on a next gen platform to go off of. Similar to what SMT III did for the PS2 and spawned all of the games that are out today because of it.

[dunno001]

Hmm... low budget? I'd say no; it's got the polishing to not show any rough edges. What it had was a controlled budget. Atlus JP knows what the Persona series has been selling, thus they look at the revenue for that range, and budget to allow for a profit after all is said and done. Judging by how we got to P4, they're doing that right.

As for the choice to keep it on the PS2, I'll reiterate what Kaki said- the userbase is considerably larger, and yes, it was cheaper. The future of both the PS3 and 360 (at least in Japan) is uncertain. Moving to a new platform requires you to port your engine(s) if possible, else you'll have to write new ones up from near scratch. This is a very costly thing to do; it is foolish for a smaller company like Atlus JP to do this new engine when there is still a possibility that they may not be able to amoritize its cost over several games. Since the tools (resulting in a lower cost) and userbase are already on the PS2, it made sense to keep it there. And I'll be part of the proof of that for Atlus USA; if it were on the 360 or PS3, I wouldn't own it.

[Olethros]

This thread amuses me. Quite entertaining.

[dungeon_man]

Low budget is a relative term.

To clarify my previous post, P4 could be called low-budget compared to some stuff out there, but I'm quite certain that it wasn't cheap. I personally do not consider P4 to be a low-budget game, but I figure somebody shallow enough to even care would think that it is. Hence, my previous answer.

[Jonny The Pie King]

I'd say it's fairly low budget. It's certainly not on the level of funding as Star Ocean, Final Fantasy, or even something like Skate. At the same time, it's clearly polished. So...it's not on a shovelware budget, but it's clear Atlus wasn't throwing money around.

[Constraint]

Do you even know what low budget is, TC? No, now lock this thread >_>.

[Zacewing]

Well like P4 came out in 2008 on the PS2 but other rpgs like Tales of Vesperia and Fallout 3 came out the 360 and PS3. P4 is a great game and everything but it would be better if it was on the 360/PS3. So like it was low budget right?

No. They just didn't want to make it on the Xbox 360 or PS3, as far as I know.

I guess they figured if they made it on PS2, then they'd be catering to a larger demographic.

[Jonny The Pie King]

Well like P4 came out in 2008 on the PS2 but other rpgs like Tales of Vesperia and Fallout 3 came out the 360 and PS3. P4 is a great game and everything but it would be better if it was on the 360/PS3. So like it was low budget right?

No. They just didn't want to make it on the Xbox 360 or PS3, as far as I know.

I guess they figured if they made it on PS2, then they'd be catering to a larger demographic.

Not to mention it's a LOT cheaper to make a PS2 game rather than a 360/PS3 one.

I don't think the SMT games are competing for the same audience as, say, Fallout :p Tales, maybe...maybe.

[Foobar]

I don't think there was a reason to put Persona 4 on PS2, most RPG gamers would still keep a PS2 around anyway since the current consoles are only just now getting RPGs to trickle in. And you can get one almost every week on DS or PSP.

Sony and MS kinda alienated a portion of developers with the costs required to make games on thier systems, which is why making them for PS2, DS or PSP is so much more attractive at this point. They'll actually make a profit and possibly get to recycle some assets to save even more money. The less money spent and the more revenue made, the better.

Plus it would have been somewhat of a waste to build an engine just for Persona 3 and to have left it at that. Nocturne's engine got two more runs in DDS and DDS2, so I think they got thier money's worth there. P3's engine has had three turns at it if you want to count "The Answer" as a separate use.

Plus there still had to be new voicework twice over and new assets designed for P4, even if it did reuse parts of P3's engine.

I don't see lesser graphics as meaning a game is low-budget or a budget title, though. P4 was one the best and most refined RPGs I've played in years.

[Girl_Gamer7]

Yeah I think you guys are right. I dont think its low budget. I think something like Ar Tonelico 2 is though. You guys can like close the topic now.

[Fuyukaze]

This thread, it reads like a joke. I'm laughing already......

For P4 to be a budget title it would have to be priced as an affordable game, not full retail. The platform released upon, reguardless of age is not what defines it as a budget title but simply the price. I realize many would argue that anything on the Wii or PS2 should be considered budget but they are missing the point and ignoring the very definition of the words. Katamari Damacy, that was a budget title. Dog's life was budget. Persona 4 by its very price is not. There is a difference between budget, shovelware, and late release titles. Knowing the difference between the three would help this thread greatly I believe.

[jeffx]

This thread, it reads like a joke. I'm laughing already.......

I know eh? I think the "ignore user" feature should be expanded to ignore entire threads.

And yet look at me... bumping it like an idiot.

[Pibbman]

Only ones that know the answer to this question is Atlus Japan, and knowing they aren't exactly a big time developer/publisher would have to believe that according to their financial stance, this was probably not a low budget game.

Compared to a company like maybe SE, this would probably be low-budget in their eyes.

[dungeon_man]

This thread, it reads like a joke. I'm laughing already.......

I know eh? I think the "ignore user" feature should be expanded to ignore entire threads.

And yet look at me... bumping it like an idiot.

There's an ignore user feature?

[Crabman]

It was low budget for me; I got it for free!

Although I'd say no. Perhaps juging a game by it's production values and not how much actually cash thrown at it would be a better metric. In terms of production values, it's pretty damn slick - excellent voiceovers and localization, well animated anime sequences (much better than P3s, thats for sure), great, original music, polished menus, etc.

[Futomimi]

^ OMG! Pirate! ;)

[Crabman]

^shhhhhhhhhhhhh :devil:









I actually got it as a birthday gift from a friend (with the Social Link pack!!!)

[Haderach]

Persona 4 is too easy :(

[Vincent Alexander]

Persona 4 is too easy :(
Resisting...yo momma joke...so hard...

[Justinzero]

I think it came out on PS2, because it has the highest install base compared to every other console, and as previously mentioned, the production budget wouldn't be as high as if it were on a current gen system. They were able to slam the game out in 18 months, start to finish, which is pretty damn fast for a game that easily offers 90+ hrs of gameplay. Makes no difference to me really, I would have bought whatever console it was released on regardless.

[peasantman]

I'm from gamfaqs and everything but I'm not trying to troll. Honest!

I'll try to ask the question better.

Okay, so P4 came out on the PS2 in 2008 instead of PS3/360. Did Persona 4 come out on the PS2 because it was a smart marketing move or was it because it was low budget (as in, they dont have the money to make it for PS3/360).

They have the money, Don't make it seem like putting it on the newest console is always the best decision. And I don't think the console selection really boiled down to pure marketing either.

[peasantman]

Persona 4 is too easy :(

did you play it on hard mode?