So how long before we hear about the preorder item??

[Neveryll]

I know its still a ways out but any idea what the preorder item on this would be? Yah I know you might not have because its part of the flagship product but... I was kinda hoping... Ummm.. So...

Can't wait for the official website to get a better look hehehe

[jj984jj]

What would they make though? There's no part that really stands out to me except for the game it-self, unless they do a poster or something... if they do I hope they do based on this wallpaper:
http://ds.atlusnet.jp/special/img/img_wall_02.jpg (http://ds.atlusnet.jp/special/img/wall01_1900x1200.jpg)

[Sei]

They could always make an artbook with art assets from the game or selected Kaneko images or something :)

[tross]

A soundtrack might be kind of a cliche, given Atlus' recent spoils, but I would love it if one were to be included with the game. It would be even better if it included the Japanese song from the trailer this time(LA2's soundtrack didn't). An artbook would be great too. Of course, I'm getting the game anyways when it comes out, and that's the main attraction. But if Atlus wants to spoil us(pun intended), I won't have any objections. Any extras are welcome, except free live scorpions, lol. That joke made my day.

[Neveryll]

I personally wouldn't mind an artbook, soundtrack, or even a poster. I actually take a lot of the game music I get and select songs for my MP3 player. A small figure would be cool but not as nice from a portable "I can't play my game so I have to be content with this" option. I know we may not get a thing but it would be a nice bonus for the game.

[Emilio Morales]

I vote for an artbook too!! :D But hearing some of the songs of the game, a soundtrack would be cool too.

[Fuyukaze]

I vote for the odd, pop up art book.

[hibiki_takami]

I'm happy with a soundtrack. A DS sized artbook packed in would be appreciated. A full-sized artbook would be awesome - but that might be overboard (for a DS game) wouldn't it?

[Olethros]

I vote for the costume option I selected in the survey. Still not sure what that exactly is, but I want to see what they come up with. Make it happen Atlus!

[Zeta_Nova]

Who knows? Maybe they might do both. Like they did with Luminous Arc 2, P4 & Eternal Poison. Which's include an Artbook and a Soundtrack.

[syl]

Even if spoils aren't included, I'm just glad that Atlus USA doesn't offer standard and premium editions like other publishers.
Btw, I'm hoping for an OST and artbook!

[Emilio Morales]

A poster signed by the character designer (don't know his name) and Kazuma Kaneko would be awesome!! :D

[dungeon_man]

It would be nice to get bonus items with the game, but I already have it pre-ordered and won't be disappointed if I only get the game. Devil Survivor is only $30 and it's SMT, so they probably won't need to throw stuff at us to make it sell.

[tross]

I'm happy with a soundtrack. A DS sized artbook packed in would be appreciated. A full-sized artbook would be awesome - but that might be overboard (for a DS game) wouldn't it?

They did make an artbook for LA2. It was 60 pages, as opposed to 100 pages, but it was bigger in terms of size than the EP artbook. But I like your idea too. Maybe a mini sized boxset that looks kind of like the original P3, except that it would obviously be ds size, rather than ps2 size.

I never did get a P4 artbook because I came too late to pick up my preorder, but I guess life would be boring if I got absolutely everything that I wanted. Besides, my local eb games store through in a free Tomb Raider Underworld, and Dead Space artbook as well, when I went to pick up my other artbooks.

But P3's artbook is awesome. Short, simple, and certainly not as huge as a 100 page artbook, but it didn't need to be, and as far as I'm concerned, is every bit as epic as any other artbook in my collection.

And it looks good, in a nice box set, even if FES renders my copy of the actual game useless, aside from the fact that I can view the original intro, which I prefer. And it's more durable too, since it's a hardcover artbook. I've said enough on the subject, and it's just a thought, but the point is that I wouldn't mind that one bit. Great idea!

[Decept]

Even if spoils aren't included, I'm just glad that Atlus USA doesn't offer standard and premium editions like other publishers.
Btw, I'm hoping for an OST and artbook!

I agree 100%

As I am usually a sucker and pay for that stuff anyways, I am so thankful Atlus gives us these as true "bonuses" rather than nickel and diming us for all we're worth. I nearly checked everything on the list for extras I liked included because I like all that stuff and it seems Atlus has given most of it through one game or another. The costume went unchecked, however, because it confused me.

[Jaxx-Leviathan]

Hmm, I guess I'd be happy with a soundtrack, but I've already got that with a few of my other games, I'd like to get an artbook for once. Plus the character artist this time around seem quite talented, so that's a plus. Ooh, or what about stickers for the DS and/or perhaps a keychain? I'd like a Haru-figure too, ultimate geek-symbol. And a bookmark. And a cap like Atsuro's! ^^;

[sagamaru_93]

maybe a crystal case for the ds or ds lite will do the trick?

[CeruleanDraco]

maybe a crystal case for the ds or ds lite will do the trick?

but what about the DSi? it is of different size too~ im liking the poster idea and art books are always awesome. i have the soundtracks to just about every atlus game, but i don't listen to them more then a few times, save for persona 3/4. so i'm voting for a more visual spoil ^__^

[sagamaru_93]

If so then i support artbook as well,i like to see how the character design change to how they are now when compared with the concepts they started with.

[raiku]

id be happy with just the soundtrack

[Yet Another Tim]

id be happy with just the soundtrack

I 2nd that motion, seeing that CD + artbook combo would be in the infamous threshold of the Square Enix tax of US$39.99, realistically speaking; on the other hand, with just the CD pre-order bonus, it would help to stay the game to just US$29.99 on launch day, usually.

[dungeon_man]

id be happy with just the soundtrack

I 2nd that motion, seeing that CD + artbook combo would be in the infamous threshold of the Square Enix tax of US$39.99, realistically speaking; on the other hand, with just the CD pre-order bonus, it would help to stay the game to just US$29.99 on launch day, usually.

The game is $30. Pre-order bonuses aren't going to change that.

[Ladeand]

I think I REALLY want spoils now. Instrumental version of 'Reset' is as good as its vocalized original. OST would be awesome....

[TheMagicHat]

I'd love an artbook most of all, just because I like staring at artwork from games. A soundtrack would be a good second.

[Ike.]

it will be a plush doll with comically sized knockers

[SickleCellAnemia]

I vote for a pinwheel.

[Enzeru]

I have a feeling there just might not be spoils, but a behind the cover art mini-poster (a la Izuna 2 and Steal Princess) would be awesome.

[rainking187]

I have a feeling there just might not be spoils, but a behind the cover art mini-poster (a la Izuna 2 and Steal Princess) would be awesome.


I'd be pretty surprised if there wasn't some bonus, it is a new SMT game after all.

[elmerfudd893]

Plush doll would go nice with it like they are doing for devil summoner right now. Oh and an art book too would be better. (hey atlus if you do u got an instant seller right here, you wants to munch on my money dont you?)

[Enzeru]

I have a feeling there just might not be spoils, but a behind the cover art mini-poster (a la Izuna 2 and Steal Princess) would be awesome.


I'd be pretty surprised if there wasn't some bonus, it is a new SMT game after all.
Exactly! It's insta-buy from SMT fans without the bonuses. But I think a mini-poster will come with this one.

As long as it's not an internet only bonus (*cough*BlazBlue*cough*)

[Samarecarm]

For the sake of being an @%^ I will say that I'm not predicting any bonus. I'm happy we're getting it and that it's clarified to be a true SMT game, not a release that happens to say "Shin Megami Tensei:" on the box (such as DDS, Persona, Devil Summoner on PS2). Though it would be cool if this was released as DSiWare...

[Vicious1915]

For the sake of being an @%^ I will say that I'm not predicting any bonus. I'm happy we're getting it and that it's clarified to be a true SMT game, not a release that happens to say "Shin Megami Tensei:" on the box (such as DDS, Persona, Devil Summoner on PS2). Though it would be cool if this was released as DSiWare...

Per YOUR definition, Devil Survivor is NOT a true Shin Megami Tensei title. Though it is a Shin Megami Tensei game, like Devil Summoner, Digital Devil Saga, and Persona, it is NOT a main series title. Devil Survivor is a strategy RPG, which is nothing like the main series. Sorry to disappoint you.

As for it being DSiWare, that would be pretty disappointing. While I agree that DSiWare needs SOMETHING worth spending the free 1000 points on, I'd hate to see Atlus take the cheap route of putting their games in the DSiShop.

[four_black_hearts]

In Japan it's not even branded as a true SMT title but as Megami Ibunroku, a title only shared by the original Persona

[Vicious1915]

In Japan it's not even branded as a true SMT title but as Megami Ibunroku, a title only shared by the original Persona

Which translates as "something gaiden." Megami Ibunroku: Persona was a spin-off that took, and became its own branch of the series. I'm assuming they title each new spin-off with this until it becomes an entity of its own, as the Persona games have.

[Pibbman]

A poster signed by the character designer (don't know his name) and Kazuma Kaneko would be awesome!! :D
LOL!

Yeah, lets have Soejima and Kaneko spend the rest of May and June (up to release date), signing our copies. :P

In Japan it's not even branded as a true SMT title but as Megami Ibunroku, a title only shared by the original Persona

Atlus USA doesn't want the others to know that. Shhhh. Its clearly a marketing decision, just so people go "oHmIgAwD, iTs HaZ dA sMt LoGoZ! I BuY NoW". That's just my idea of what the rest of SMT fans are like. :X (+1 to anyone who can figure out the REAL joke in this one). :P

[Samarecarm]

For the sake of being an @%^ I will say that I'm not predicting any bonus. I'm happy we're getting it and that it's clarified to be a true SMT game, not a release that happens to say "Shin Megami Tensei:" on the box (such as DDS, Persona, Devil Summoner on PS2). Though it would be cool if this was released as DSiWare...

Per YOUR definition, Devil Survivor is NOT a true Shin Megami Tensei title. Though it is a Shin Megami Tensei game, like Devil Summoner, Digital Devil Saga, and Persona, it is NOT a main series title. Devil Survivor is a strategy RPG, which is nothing like the main series. Sorry to disappoint you.

As for it being DSiWare, that would be pretty disappointing. While I agree that DSiWare needs SOMETHING worth spending the free 1000 points on, I'd hate to see Atlus take the cheap route of putting their games in the DSiShop.

Ok, thanks. You know I thought I read somewhere that Devil Survivor is either supposed to be a true SMT game or that it happens to feel like one (not that it's part of the real SMT series). I could have sworn somebody posted an interview with either Atlus USA or the mother company about it, but I can't even find the quote, so nevermind. I'm not disappointed one bit.

[Emilio Morales]

A poster signed by the character designer (don't know his name) and Kazuma Kaneko would be awesome!! :D
LOL!

Yeah, lets have Soejima and Kaneko spend the rest of May and June (up to release date), signing our copies. :P

XD Make them work for the sake of their fans! :P

[Vicious1915]

For the sake of being an @%^ I will say that I'm not predicting any bonus. I'm happy we're getting it and that it's clarified to be a true SMT game, not a release that happens to say "Shin Megami Tensei:" on the box (such as DDS, Persona, Devil Summoner on PS2). Though it would be cool if this was released as DSiWare...

Per YOUR definition, Devil Survivor is NOT a true Shin Megami Tensei title. Though it is a Shin Megami Tensei game, like Devil Summoner, Digital Devil Saga, and Persona, it is NOT a main series title. Devil Survivor is a strategy RPG, which is nothing like the main series. Sorry to disappoint you.

As for it being DSiWare, that would be pretty disappointing. While I agree that DSiWare needs SOMETHING worth spending the free 1000 points on, I'd hate to see Atlus take the cheap route of putting their games in the DSiShop.

Ok, thanks. You know I thought I read somewhere that Devil Survivor is either supposed to be a true SMT game or that it happens to feel like one (not that it's part of the real SMT series). I could have sworn somebody posted an interview with either Atlus USA or the mother company about it, but I can't even find the quote, so nevermind. I'm not disappointed one bit.

Awesome! It will show a return of arm comps for Devil management, which is a main series (before nocturne) staple.

[Mank]

...I REALLY would like an artbook for this game, but it's starting to look rather...iffy... :(

[Ike.]

I'm betting on a soundtrack.

[Chyeah]

Atlus is just to good to us all... As awesome as anything extra besides the game would be I think trying to guess what it will be, if anything, that just takes the surprise out of it when and if the time comes.

[Taroni]

I personally wouldn't mind an artbook, soundtrack, or even a poster. I actually take a lot of the game music I get and select songs for my MP3 player. A small figure would be cool but not as nice from a portable "I can't play my game so I have to be content with this" option. I know we may not get a thing but it would be a nice bonus for the game.

Ha! Nocturne,and the 2 Personas for ps2 have spaces on my mp3 too lol


As for being a true MegaTen, if it is I think it be the first (correct me if I am wrong) MegaTen to hit here since the PSone era to have T for an ERSB rating lol

[Takara_Kitsune]

To be honest, and I know that I'm probably in the minority, I don't really mind if there isn't any kind of Spoils here. Don't get me wrong, it'd be great, but I don't need any extra incentive to pick this up. Atlus just doing what they do (AKA, releasing niche games and catering to their fans) is enough for me. I mean, look at the lineup from 2008. They released so many games last year, and so many that appealed to me, it was just the best thing ever. This year they're really managing that again... and it's not like we've seen all they're doing this year yet, is it? :3

Now, on the point of Devil Survivor being main series or not...? I don't care. Yeah, I was introduced to the series by Persona 3. (Just like I was introduced to my other favorite series, the "Tales of" games by Symphonia). Because I got into it where everyone else did, doesn't mean I'm just going to grab every game with "Shin Megami Tensei" in the title, even if it was added for the localized title. (Although, I do admit this to be true, I have actually gone back and retroactively gotten every single SMT game that was released in english, as well as a few non-SMT branded ones, like Persona 2: EP when it was 'reprinted'. I was waiting on Persona 1, and glad I did, the PSP remake will be cheaper and a better experience than the one that was originally released anyway. Cheaper for obvious reasons, a better experience because I don't like extra dungeons getting removed...) Overall, the games are tied together by a common tone or theme. I could say, "I collect these games because I love Jack Frost". I do love Jack Frost, but that's not the point, I suppose. :P The games have a sort of serious tone you don't find in a lot of games, yet also manage to be complex, yet also can have a lighter side at the same time. Characters you get attached to, and stories you can just really get into. I suppose it can be said "Results may vary"... but for me, the games that get branded as SMT in North America are great games that I wouldn't pass up on for any reason, regardless of SMT branding in Japan.

[GenoWhirl]

I just want the game to come out already ;-;

[Towel]

They should do another Teddie Bear. This time with Yuzu instead of Raiho.

[Enzeru]

Atlus USA doesn't want the others to know that. Shhhh. Its clearly a marketing decision, just so people go "oHmIgAwD, iTs HaZ dA sMt LoGoZ! I BuY NoW". That's just my idea of what the rest of SMT fans are like. :X (+1 to anyone who can figure out the REAL joke in this one). :P
I only figured it out because you told me to. :tongue:

[Takara_Kitsune]

Atlus USA doesn't want the others to know that. Shhhh. Its clearly a marketing decision, just so people go "oHmIgAwD, iTs HaZ dA sMt LoGoZ! I BuY NoW". That's just my idea of what the rest of SMT fans are like. :X (+1 to anyone who can figure out the REAL joke in this one). :P
I only figured it out because you told me to. :tongue:

I admit, I don't get it... I'm only guessing, but it could be a reference to Persona 3, the "Online Game" S-Link. Or I just completely set myself up to not be taken seriously. I don't really know.

Oh well. Maybe it's just something in one of the games I didn't finish yet or haven't played in a while. :P (Or even worse, one I didn't start yet! O_O)

[Gear Master Blitz]

I'd like to see an artbook or soundtrack, especially if the music is as good as in the Persona games. Heck, I'd also like to see the hero's headphones as a preorder bonus. But that's mostly because I need a new pair and don't wanna blow the money on new 'phones when I can blow that money on games. Plus I don't mind looking incredibly goofy in public.

[SethSteiner]

I would like the standard, a CD with the Soundtrack and a nice Artbook (48+ Pages). Of course I wouldn`t mind, if it get a plush figurine (like in Devil Summoner) or any other bonus thing, but Soundtrack and Artbook are cool and usefull. I really hope that there still comes anything, because there are so many games from Atlus which get such an extra and Devil Survivor looks like a such big title, that it deserves that Bonus too.

[Pibbman]

I still rather have an artbook over a soundtrack. I'll just play the game if I wanna listen to the music. I like the art style going on in this one too.

Or even better, do both a soundtrack and artbook. I mean Knights in the Nightmare is getting both, and if you ask me...this is a much bigger game (it has the SMT label) than Kitn.

Personally, since SMT games from Atlus are labeled (even if it wasn't in Japan) as the "Flagship series", they should get the best spoils imo.

They should do another Teddie Bear. This time with Yuzu instead of Raiho.

Heck yeah, thats good too. However about half of the cotton stuffing would probably be in her breasts. :X

[Ike.]

That chick with the tits is kinda gross tbh.

[Pibbman]

Well in any case, hopefully they announce it this week! :/

[Decept]

^I am more excited about game announcements than spoils announcements. I am getting this barring any catastrophic events or demon invasions that keep me from it.

[Iris]

^I am more excited about game announcements than spoils announcements.

This.

[L-san]

Another vote for the art book. I wouldn't mind a CD too, though. =)

[Nephlabobo]

CD, not artbook please.

[mehtheinfernal]

Decided to register so I could add my 2cents. =)
I know it's obviously too late for them to change or add preorder bonuses.

Still, it's fun to dream. I would have liked to have seen a small screen cleaner attachment (like the ones for cell phones) or a custom stylus that still inserts into the slot on the DS.

I love my artbooks and soundtracks like everyone else, but it would have been neat to see something different for a change.

Looking forward to this game with or without the bonus and hoping we'll hear more about it soon with E3 just around the corner.

[Enzeru]

Yeah, it would be hard to add a pre-order bonus now, what with the June 23rd release date, unless they already placed an order for them to be produced (or already made them). Still, I vote soundtrack (or mini poster), because after 6 play-throughs, it's just not as fun as the first time. Plus, the art in this game isn't anything new.

[Mank]

Well, I'd say E3 is our last shot at getting a preorder bonus for this thing. Atlus is going to be there, so maybe, just maybe they'll do it...

[pktazn]

I was thinking of pre-ordering... but I'm not so sure. I'm still going to get the game for sure, but I don't think I really need to pre-order it.

[moss257]

I know Atlus has been spoiling us... Heck they rolled out the red carpet for Knights in the nightmare.

But... I don't think Atlus needs to give this anything special, most of us love shin megami tensai (I hope I spelled that right) and will buy it no matter what.

Personally, I would LOVE a plushie though.

Please Atlus? Spoil us one last time?

[seigyukai]

Devil Survivor has a lot of potential for spoils, so it would be a shame if there wasn't anything... not that it's important; this is a MegaTen title after all! How about a japanese style (i.e. 200+ pages with commentary and interviews with the artists) English text artbook like the translated Okami book? A life-sized statue of Yuzu wouldn't go amiss either, lol :p.

"I wonder what the people will see in the final days..."
-Rolf PSII

[Hamel]

A life-sized statue of Yuzu wouldn't go amiss either


^
I would buy the game+a DS (since I don't own one) for that

[Lonelyness21]

I'm happy with a soundtrack. A DS sized artbook packed in would be appreciated. A full-sized artbook would be awesome - but that might be overboard (for a DS game) wouldn't it?

They did make an artbook for LA2. It was 60 pages, as opposed to 100 pages, but it was bigger in terms of size than the EP artbook. But I like your idea too. Maybe a mini sized boxset that looks kind of like the original P3, except that it would obviously be ds size, rather than ps2 size.

I never did get a P4 artbook because I came too late to pick up my preorder, but I guess life would be boring if I got absolutely everything that I wanted. Besides, my local eb games store through in a free Tomb Raider Underworld, and Dead Space artbook as well, when I went to pick up my other artbooks.

But P3's artbook is awesome. Short, simple, and certainly not as huge as a 100 page artbook, but it didn't need to be, and as far as I'm concerned, is every bit as epic as any other artbook in my collection.

And it looks good, in a nice box set, even if FES renders my copy of the actual game useless, aside from the fact that I can view the original intro, which I prefer. And it's more durable too, since it's a hardcover artbook. I've said enough on the subject, and it's just a thought, but the point is that I wouldn't mind that one bit. Great idea!

Yeah I love that Artbook, Especially now that I got Vic Mignogna (VA for Junpei) To Sing it on Junpei's Page =P

[seigyukai]

The LA2 artbook was great, despite being a little short and a little low on artist commentary. I loved how they gave the girls' bra sizes, haha. Still I'm really glad I bought it in a combined set with the game and soundtrack off of ebay instead of as a stand alone product as I had originally planned. Here's hoping the Knights in the Nightmare book is a little more substantial. As for another Devil Survivor idea, why not a mini demon compendium? It would be great to have a little mythological reference beside Kaneko's brilliant illustration for each demon. They could rip it right from Heretic Mansion if they wanted; I'd just like to see it in (English language) book form. It'd be great if all the personae could be included in this, but then I guess it couldn't be a Devil Survivor bonus. Well it would still be awesome to see. Atlus, I'd shell out a good bit of scratch for a book like that...

[Neveryll]

As much as I like artbooks I'm guess at this late date we'll be lucky to get a soundtrack. Anything extra would be cool in my opinion. I can't wait to play this one even though I have a bunch already in my "play" stack....

[Yukichin]

To be honest, I'm looking forward more to Devil Survivor than Persona. The soundtrack seems like it might be better for Persona, but I'd love to have some sort of spoil for DS... I'd love merchandise for SMT stuff, that'd be amazing...

[SlaughterX]

I'm kinda glad there isn't a preorder bonus, because I don't really want to buy it this month... I love how all the big game releases are all at the end of the month... :/

[tropicana]

Regardless of spoils or not, I'll most likely end up buying this game....

[paireon]

Well, for me it's a moot point. I live in Quebec province, so due to language laws I have to preorder it, or order it online, otherwise it'll be damn hard to get.

[Geohen]

I will also get it. Have it preordered on Amazon. But Spoils are always nice. Especially artbooks. The KitN artbook is so dang pretty.

[Tatsuya]

I wasn't worried about spoils myself, got what i wanted when i preordered it, the only thing that they could of added was the soundtrack, but heck i can import it if it's good enough.

[Inzaghi]

Well, for me it's a moot point. I live in Quebec province, so due to language laws I have to preorder it, or order it online, otherwise it'll be damn hard to get.

Actually, Devil Survivor will have bilingual packaging, so people in Canada should have no problems getting their hands on it. (I just saw a printer's proof of the ginormous manual today.)

[Sheumin]

The LA2 artbook was great, despite being a little short and a little low on artist commentary. I loved how they gave the girls' bra sizes, haha.

They did?! Wow...

I like artbook. For some reason, I feel that I already said that. Aw well.

The artist for this game is pretty interesting... The characters look really sharp and cute at the same time.

[Jonny The Pie King]

Well, it's looking like we aren't getting anything. Bummer, was hoping for a soundtrack/artbook. I mean, Knights in the Nightmare, not even developed by Atlus, got both :p

[syl]

Well, for me it's a moot point. I live in Quebec province, so due to language laws I have to preorder it, or order it online, otherwise it'll be damn hard to get.

Actually, Devil Survivor will have bilingual packaging, so people in Canada should have no problems getting their hands on it. (I just saw a printer's proof of the ginormous manual today.)

The mean, language police finally noticed Atlus. I'll miss the English only packaging and instruction manuals.
Don't get me wrong, the French manual is good for practicing reading skills.
However, the bilingual packaging often forces publishers to use something like size-0.5 font and the entire layout seems compressed compared to the U.S. version...
Please prove me wrong, Atlus!

[Inzaghi]

However, the bilingual packaging often forces publishers to use something like size-0.5 font and the entire layout seems compressed compared to the U.S. version...

Oh, we don't try to fit both languages on a page. The (still full color) manual is simply twice as long as a normal manual to accomodate a French version of it after the English.

[CanuckGamer]

So looks like we are not getting anything with Devil Survivor ;_;
How sad...

That aside, Inzaghi just hit Jack Pot! :D
*points at post count*

[PainKilleR-[CE]]

I guess they can still surprise us, but I pre-ordered it anyway.

As for dual-language manuals, I once bought a game that came packed with a completely separate manual in French, in the US. Additionally, there's a lot of English in the PSP Devil Summoner manual, and a lot of info that looks pretty useful in Japanese.

[Enzeru]

;121850']I guess they can still surprise us, but I pre-ordered it anyway.

As for dual-language manuals, I once bought a game that came packed with a completely separate manual in French, in the US.
I remember buying Disgaea DS and thinking that I must have bought the Spanish version or something, because that's what language the manual was in. Then I peeled back the Health and Safety packet. xD

[Hellel]

Alright, let me get this straight, no spoils for Devil Survivor? Correct? Anyway it won't stop me from getting this eventually when I get a DS.