how far will ATLUS take Persona series?

[OgGz]

been wondering this alot so i just gotta see what other ppl think im hoping they do it like final fantasy never ending maybe like 1 persona game each year and id buy every one iv never been so into anythin like i am persona and i hope it will have a great and very very long future gogo altus you know you want to ---persona for life--- one more thing keep the guy (forgot his name) that does the music coz the music is just great i play the songs all the time when im on the pc even now

[Rin]

Hmm... I wonder too... But I just hoped that the next Persona series is still in PS2, although I know it's chance are very slim for that...

The composer? You mean Shoji Meguro right? He's great really! I also finds myself singing the Persona's soundtrack, I think he's like Nobuo Uematsu in the Final Fantasy series... Well, both of them are great anyway...:)

[Onezanagi]

As much as I love Persona I don't want a new game every year, maybe 2 or 3 years apart so it will feel more fresh. There's a lot of other things Atlus can do in the SMT universe so I'd like to see some other stuff besides Persona.

[Enzo_Kensei]

I'd like to believe that the Persona series is far from over. I agree with onezanagi though, but my reason for a gap of 2 to 3 years is different. It's for Atlus to maintain the quality of Persona games. I'd like to see a new Persona game this 2010 though. Persona 5 perhaps? Hmmm...

[jeffx]

been wondering this alot so i just gotta see what other ppl think im hoping they do it like final fantasy never ending maybe like 1 persona game each year and id buy every one iv never been so into anythin like i am persona and i hope it will have a great and very very long future gogo altus you know you want to ---persona for life--- one more thing keep the guy (forgot his name) that does the music coz the music is just great i play the songs all the time when im on the pc even now

1) It's ATLUS

2) ... what? You're BRITISH. You guys INVENTED English. USE IT!!

3) Oh OK probably a fake poster...

[OgGz]

been wondering this alot so i just gotta see what other ppl think im hoping they do it like final fantasy never ending maybe like 1 persona game each year and id buy every one iv never been so into anythin like i am persona and i hope it will have a great and very very long future gogo altus you know you want to ---persona for life--- one more thing keep the guy (forgot his name) that does the music coz the music is just great i play the songs all the time when im on the pc even now

1) It's ATLUS

2) ... what? You're BRITISH. You guys INVENTED English. USE IT!!

3) Oh OK probably a fake poster... np im a online gamer so such typing is normal for me its one of my habits

[persona3rocks]

ok i do not want a 3 year gap between persona games!!!!!!!!!!!!! noway dude!:) Im hoping for a new persona game in 2009 or or the beginning of 2010!!!

[Gen Eric Gui]

Or how about we get something new?

Besides, didn't the director say in an interview that he was going to shelve the series for a while? He wants to work on something new too, and I say good for him. I'd like to see more new things like Devil Survivor and SMT4 than a new Persona anytime soon.

Why is it that people always want to turn everything into an over-used FF-type game? All that does is ruin things.

[Delition]

Persona may be "hip" and "popular", but to be honest Persona 3 and 4 are the Atlus developed titles that I've probably played the least and I'd much rather see something different.

Not to say that I don't like the Persona series, or even the newer titles, but I'd rather see something along the lines of a Nocturne 2 or another game with the DDS setup first.

[jeffx]

You guys should check out (and contribute to) this new post on Siliconera

Your Dream SMT game (http://www.siliconera.com/2009/02/15/siliconera-speaks-up-your-dream-smt-game/)

[Hikaru_Katana]

I think they should make more persona games. and naoto in the next one, that would be awesome.

[Iris]

I adore Persona, but I'd much rather see it backburned for a bit so Atlus can not make a trend of waiting ten years between Shin Megami Tensei installments.

[Kenji]

If Persona's run off as often as FF, you'll see the same people who are now clamoring for more whining about how the glory days are past, Persona sucks, blah-blah-blah. Final Fantasy's as good of quality as it always was, but there's such a thing as saturation: You can only have so many stories about "friendship pwns all" before it really starts to get tiresome.

I'd much rather have less Persona games of higher quality and different themes than mass-production of the same ideas year after year (I like FF, but that's how I feel about it!).

Instead, how about that SMT4? I'm sure they're working hard on it and it's really about damn time for a new installment to come out... y'know, before the 20th Anniversary of SMT1 (2012... ominous :P ).

[CurryStorm]

I don't agree with the "too many Persona releases in a limited amount of time would cause saturation." The thing is, the reason that Persona 4 is so popular is because it took P3 and improved on it a lot. The style of play (social links, school setting, etc) of the Persona series is what's "hot" right now. If you wait too long between releases, you run the risk of the current love for this game play style dying out. Right now, people are finishing P4 and already wishing for P5; however, 5 years from now if there's still no P5 people will probably have forgotten about it and moved on to other games. It's like these movie sequels that are put out 15 years after the original movie but flop because most people have gotten over their love of that particular movie 5 years ago (here's looking at you, Rush Hour 3).

I think the problem with the Final Fantasy series is because the wait is getting too long between games. Take FFVII, VIII, IX and X: All those game were released in a span of, what, 5 years? Square took the success of VII and pumped games out to take advantage of people's want for the next game right then. I don't think the quick turnover for those games hurt the quality in any way just like I don't think the quick turnover from P3 to P4 hurt P4.

Back on FF, I think a lot of people started turning on them when it took so long from FFX to FFXII (I'm overlooking X-2 and XI) and now look how long it's taking from FFXII to get FFXIII. And on the point about not "rehashing" the same game by just adding new features or improving on old, I also find it strange that when Square tried to change Final Fantasy (I'm talking about the differences in "feel" and combat from FFX to FFXII), is when the people turned on them again. Here you are, loving the "normal" Final Fantasy experience, then you have to wait multiple years to get the next experience, only to get something (in FFXII) that was so much different than in the last installment you played.

Not saying change is bad or games shouldn't be reinvented but when something is working so well and is so good as the Persona series is right now, why don't you try to get the next Persona game out ASAP and keep the same general game play? I know, personally for me, I'm excited about the next Persona game because it will hopefully be a great improvement over Persona 4 and not because it might be something completely different.

[Gen Eric Gui]

Oh, it makes perfect "business sense" for them to start pumping out the Persona 3 clones. They'll sell a kazillion copies and rake in the cash from the sheep who just want to buy the same games over and over again.

Except that in doing that they would alienate almost their entire hardcore base. As well, the developers themselves are sick and tired of that formula, and want to move on to something else. The other problem that you're missing is that a formula becomes stale with overuse and oversaturation. Look how much #### EA gets for releasing the "Same game every year with updated rosters". If Atlus started pumping out P3 clones every year, they'd get a reputation for the same exact thing, and that's a -bad- thing for a niche developer to do. A very bad thing.

[xHaseox]

Obviously very far, since it's Atlus's most popular series right now, and has drawn many (including myself) into the fanbase.

I love the Persona series, but I'd like to see it spread out more. Once every few years would be perfect. Don't need to burn everyone out on it.

I'd much rather see a new mainline Shin Megami Tensei title or another small spinoff like Digital Devil Saga.

[kelvinc]

I'm not even sure if it makes that much "business sense" because the P3/P4 engine is built for the PS2. A very popular but dated platform is a good place to experiment with something like P3, because Atlus knew the JRPG audience is there in Japan and worldwide to buy it and there was so much radically changed from the previous Persona games that it eliminates the headache of doing massively improved graphics too.

Reading all the reviews, if there was one common complaint about P4 is that it didn't always meet the (perhaps unrealistically) increased expectations from P3 and P3FES. Atlus can either test those (now even higher) expectations by pumping out another clone, but diminishing marginal returns are inevitable, especially given the dated platform.

But if Atlus jumps forward to a PS3/X360 platform, the possibilities for improvement (in graphics, at least) are so much more vast that it'll take another two or three years to get something to market. Given that time, why not make the best effort and also introduce some other games that the fans have been aching for?

[Raven_Yuri]

As much as I love Persona I don't want a new game every year, maybe 2 or 3 years apart so it will feel more fresh. There's a lot of other things Atlus can do in the SMT universe so I'd like to see some other stuff besides Persona.

I would have to agree with you about that. I love persona but if they did one like every year it would get a bit old i think..i like that they space them out every couple of years so it's like playing all over again.

[sagamaru_93]

As a number of people here agrees,i also dont wish that the next persona series come out anytime soon.To me if they keep pushing out a new persona then persona tends to get old pretty fast.As long as they're making the new persona something awesome,i would tolerate waiting even another 10 years.


lol sry for posting the same points raven,we posted this about the same time after i click the post button then the site told me that there is a same post as mine but when i came to realize it was too late.

[Saburo Hikari]

If another Persona game with a formula similar to P3 and P4 comes next then we're gonna see a lot of bitching from SMT veterans, so I think something besides a P3 clone should be developed. Rotating what is developed next ought to keep every SMT fan happy. Besides, playing P3 and P4 made me want to try out other SMT games. And so far, I'm liking Digital Devil Saga. =]

[RiotJavelinDX]

For those of you who want a game every year are being completely ridiculous; unless you want a two hour game filled with unoriginal, overused, completely unjoyable ****. And, I am being serious. There is no way that can happen, especially if producers move over to the PS3. STM also has many projects they have the option of working on, and in an interview someone posted here not too long ago the producers of Persona stated they wanted to take a step back so they can really innovate the next game, whenever that may be.

[OgGz]

even if they end persona with persona 4 ill never ever forget this series its one of a kind and really the other smt come no where near it yeah they are good but persona is just perfect and tbh id be happy with altus saying that they will do another persona i dont care if its in 5 years time or more

[Gen Eric Gui]

the other smt come no where near it

:/

Have you...played the other SMT games?

[Saburo Hikari]

For those of you who want a game every year are being completely ridiculous; unless you want a two hour game filled with unoriginal, overused, completely unjoyable ****. And, I am being serious.Yeah, I would like Atlus to put Persona aside so that they can really innovate the next one. In the meantime, bring on the rest of the series! :D

the other smt come no where near it

:/

Have you...finished the other SMT games?Fixed.

even if they end persona with persona 4 ill never ever forget this series its one of a kind and really the other smt come no where near it yeah they are good but persona is just perfect and tbh id be happy with altus saying that they will do another persona i dont care if its in 5 years time or moreDon't talk like you speak for everyone else. Just say that you love P4 the most out of all of the SMT games. Saying that P4 is the better than all other games is just gonna get you killed by the fans of the rest of the games. P3 and P4's target audience is different from the target audiences for other SMT games as well, each with their own unique greatness. For example, I'm sure a lot of us hate FFVII fanboys/girls because they're all "lol FFVII best game EVAR!!! lol". Other FF games are just as good if not better than FFVII in their own way.

Like me, I love P4 above all other SMT games (so far), but I'm not gonna say that P4 is the best SMT game ever. It's just my opinion after all.

[Iris]

5 years from now if there's still no P5 people will probably have forgotten about it and moved on to other games.

Didn't happen to Nocturne. They'd lose the trendwhores, yeah, but the hardcore fan base tends to stick around.

[ChinoZaki]

Persona 5 is actually coming out next week, the plot is about a pack of japanese pre-school girls getting their lunch who was stolen from their mean old preschool teacher, social links are limited to the jungle gym and sandpit & Jack Frost is the ultimate end boss.

...;)

[OgGz]

i have played and finished a few smt its the reason i got persona becoz it was smt they are all good i agree but donno somethin special about persona



edit - Dude, you have to do something about your grammar if you want people to take you seriously. It is really painful to read your posts. - Kakizaki

[Enzo_Kensei]

Persona 5 is actually coming out next week, the plot is about a pack of japanese pre-school girls getting their lunch who was stolen from their mean old preschool teacher, social links are limited to the jungle gym and sandpit & Jack Frost is the ultimate end boss.

...;)

Wow! Like thats gonna happen. ^^

Back to the topic. Seriously, I wouldn't mind if they don't release any persona sequels as of the moment. There are still other SMT games that are worth playing and trying. I'm curious about a SMT4 though and I'm open with coming to come up with something new on future smt games too. As for me, I'll just have to wait for whats in store for us in the future. I know Atlus will always have something in store for us. ^^

[CurryStorm]

It's funny how the ones not wanting a new Persona game anytime soon are the same ones saying, "we want a new SMT game now!" Don't worry; just give Atlus another 10-15 years and you'll have a great new SMT game. Don't worry, just be patient and you'll have the perfect game by 2020 or so. Meanwhile, I would be more than content to play 2 or 3 more Persona games during that 10 year span of Persona 4 or greater quality.

Enough tongue-in-cheek here's a serious question that I have no idea about: What is Atlus' money making gaming series in Japan and then in North America? I mean you know if SquareEnix needs to round up some quick cash they release another Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest or Kingdom Hearts but what is Atlus' cash cow?

[Gen Eric Gui]

...what? Your post made no sense.

We want them to develop SMT4 next. We don't want any more Persona 3 clones. We've had enough over the course of 2 games(3 if you count FES), and the idea is starting to get stale. We'd like something more now.

Of we can go with your idea and make the series into an over-produced cash-cow series like Final Fantasy which hasn't been good since the SNES era. That's a great idea too.

[Kakizaki]

Final Fantasy which hasn't been good since the SNES era.

Please stop with this. At least qualify it with "in my opinion" or something. I've been letting it slide for a while but it is becoming quite aggravating.

[Olethros]

I've been trying not to post in this thread, and most of this section, for fear of losing my cool.

I find it truly hard to believe some of the comments being made here. It saddens me. Honestly.

[ShinnFlowen]

Well I like Persona 3 Fes and Persona 4 (even though I've failed to finish either of them yet, hopefully when its summer vacation I will) and I wish or ask that that Atlus.jp will make a persona 5 in the future, not saying next year or now. I don't mind waiting like 3 years or if it's on another game console like PS3, since I will buy a PS3 in that case. Persona was made for ppl like me (ppl loving the relationships between people and how they can see the feelings being displayed) and I just wished people would all come into an agreement that a quality game made in time should be well worth a period of time to wait for for the persona series (look at metal gear solid series and FF Crisis Core. Talk about some solid stories.) Still think they need EVOKERS!

[ChinoZaki]

I'm serious about Persona 5! I just preordered!

[Kenji]

Don't worry; just give Atlus another 10-15 years and you'll have a great new SMT game. Don't worry, just be patient and you'll have the perfect game by 2020 or so. Meanwhile, I would be more than content to play 2 or 3 more Persona games during that 10 year span of Persona 4 or greater quality.
Two or three Persona games over ten years isn't bad at all. But the implication was at least one every year (there is more than one FF every year, so I don't know where you're getting your whole "they don't release them often enough" idea... and, no, I'm not just counting the numbered ones). Even if the quality doesn't go down, it'll still begin to wear thin.

For a great example, let's look at Capcom. They make great games with excellent gameplay, interesting concepts, and enough difficulty to keep their fans engaged. They're also guilty of milking gameplay concepts for all they're worth. Resident Evil (if you don't count the FPS games) never dipped in quality, but how much bitching did that series get before RE4 came around? More than that, quality aside, it was getting predictable and stale (a killing blow to a survival horror). It took the new gameplay system of RE4 to liven things up again, and we can bet that system's gonna be reused until they're forced to switch it up again.

A series like Persona, which hinges on its sense of bleeding-edge immediacy, doesn't need the baggage of staleness one bit. This is why I would prefer P5 to enter the ring with a completely new gameplay system that builds off what was learned in P3/P4... the idea of it taking time reassures me that time and thought are being put into refining it.

What is Atlus' money making gaming series in Japan and then in North America? I mean you know if SquareEnix needs to round up some quick cash they release another Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest or Kingdom Hearts but what is Atlus' cash cow?
You can't really compare Square-Enix to Atlus in this way, because Square-Enix's games are far more expensive to produce than Atlus's, judging from the production values. Therefore, Atlus doesn't have to sell as many copies as SE just to break even. I imagine the Japanese branch isn't doing too badly for itself, considering that its games frequently get pretty high on the top seller lists. Seems to me that they don't need a "cash cow" like SE, which sometimes seems like it's teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.

[CurryStorm]

Yeah, I think that's where some of the confusion is coming in. I don't expect a new Persona game every year; that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that I would like to have a new one now. For those who actually played and like Persona 4, I doubt any of you said to yourself, "well, I can do without that for another 5 years or so." No, you probably said, "that was an awesome game and too bad it's over." It's like eating ice cream or something else you love- you don't eat it and think to yourself I don't want to eat that for another 8 years or I might get tired of it and when I finally do eat it again in another 8 years it might be better tasting; you eat it until you're tired of it. And right now, I'm not tired of the Persona series in any way. If the next one has a great story, great character interactions, better graphics and improved Slinks, then I'd be satisfied whether it's on the PS2 or PS3. If it takes 3 or 4 years to start making it on the PS3, then that's fine too but I'm not looking for something completely new.

"(there is more than one FF every year, so I don't know where you're getting your whole "they don't release them often enough" idea... and, no, I'm not just counting the numbered ones).

I'm not talking about 3,000 remakes of older FF games as Square loves to do- and I don't see why that's brought up because I don't see anyone on this board wanting a Persona 3 or Persona 4 remake. I'm talking about the main, numbered games; how often do they come out now?

In terms of the whole game style getting stale, is it stale already? You brought up Resident Evil (which I can't comment too much on b/c I stopped after RE2) becoming stale and fans bitching. Are fans bitching that Persona is stale, because for the most part, I see a bunch of people who really enjoy the game. I mean if Persona 4 turned out to be crappy and fans didn't buy it because the gameplay was stale and it was too much like Persona 3, then I could very well agree with taking 6 or so years off and reinventing itself. But why reinvent something that people are still loving? As you pointed out with RE, mass changes were only made once the series started getting boring and fans started complaining.

I think I differ with most others in this thread, because frankly, I could care less about the next SMT game. I thought Nocturne was average at best and DDS was a little above average- I'm just not into negotiating with demons for 100 hours just to gain a cool new looking monster with a couple of different attacks and then only have 30 minutes of story (I'm exaggerating of course but you get my point). I love story and character development/interactions so I gravitate towards the Persona series more. Now, I don't want other SMT games to be put on the back burner just so Atlus can do another Persona because I know everyone gets excited about different things but for me personally, I'm just ready for another Persona game to enjoy.

And it's been nice debating with you, Kenji, as you really had good reasoning behind why you think the way you do and didn't just try to be a jackass or a "I'm smarting than everyone else on these forums and it just hurts me to even respond to some of these threads" personality.

[Rin]

I think they should make more persona games. and naoto in the next one, that would be awesome.

Hah, but that's only great for US, Hikaru...:tongue:
By the way, why don't thay make something like P4-2 (like FFX-2?) To tell us the story of their coming years??
Persona series are great, but I really hoped the next game will still be in PS2, even though I realised like that's gonna happen...:(

[Daroki]

I'm perfectly happy with hoping for a good remake of Persona (Revelations) for the PSP and hopefully it doing well enough that we see the earlier games (especially Innocent Sin) hit the handheld as well. As for the consoles, I'm hoping for a mainline SMT, preferably on the PS3 which hopefully Atlus R&D 1 has been slowly building an engine for. I'm sure that retooling and creating an engine for these games is very expensive, and hopefully slowly they've been putting some resources behind it while they've found success with the Persona games and the increase in publishing that they're doing in the US.

I'm happy that the PS2 has continued to receive love from Atlus, and having Devil Summoner 2, Persona 3 and 4 come out for the system this far into it's lifespan has been incredible. Hopefully their success means that they can make the transition to the next (current?) generation of hardware without the hardships that other companies have had making the jump.

[xHaseox]

They could save themselves boatloads of money if they just ported their engine to the Wii and enhanced it a bit. :/

[Igor]

No idea, but whatever happened to Philemon? Did he die because of the whole split timeline thing or what?

[SquishyDuckMan]

While I got a smirk out of the Persona games (3 & 4 - also 3 FES), I liked Nocturne and DDS much more. DDS had an engaging story to boot, and if I had the choice between styles of gameplay, that's what I'd like to see next. I think a PS3 title is inevitable, if not the very next one then certainly what's beyond that SHOULD be, becuase it would force a redesign of some of the game's features and engine. No game is perfect, I can stand to see some more changes, which hopefully turn out to be improvements.

[Vincent Alexander]

...what? Your post made no sense.

We want them to develop SMT4 next. We don't want any more Persona 3 clones. We've had enough over the course of 2 games(3 if you count FES), and the idea is starting to get stale. We'd like something more now.
Couldn't agree more.
Of we can go with your idea and make the series into an over-produced cash-cow series like Final Fantasy which hasn't been good since the SNES era. That's a great idea too.
Oooh...then you lost me.

[xHaseox]

While I'm all for taking a break from the franchise for a bit and getting something fresh, I can't shake this feeling that there are those who wouldn't be so against more Persona titles if they weren't so popular.

[Crabman]

Hell, after almost finishing P2 (coming right off of P3, FES and a brief interlude with Shadow of the Colossus), I could use something else. I love P3 - it got me into JRPGs, for goodness sakes - but you can only experience the same series so much before it gets stale. Granted, I still have to play P4 and see whether or not it'll completely burn me out or not.

[persona3rocks]

Well im ready for the next Persona game!:)

[jeffx]

@Crabman: you need a Persona break, bro. I recommend BRANDISH (SNES) or NIGHTMARE OF DRUAGA (PS2)

those will set you straight

[Crabman]

I was actually thinking God of War II, but I'll look into that PS2 game (I don't have a SNES). I figured some brainless killing might be enough reprieve.

[Vincent Alexander]

While I'm all for taking a break from the franchise for a bit and getting something fresh, I can't shake this feeling that there are those who wouldn't be so against more Persona titles if they weren't so popular.
I love Persona 3. So now is it OKay for me to be against any more Persona titles for a good while? Because I am.

[persona3rocks]

posted in the wrong place!!! sorry
but i actually have never play god of war is it anygood crabman

[ChinoZaki]

Persona 5 is so coooool!^______~

I would reccommend trying out Devil Summoner if you already haven't. Or for other epic j-rpg fixes give Suikoden 5 a go. It's amazing.

[PersonaVento]

Personally I think there will be Persona 5 but it would probally be on ps3 or xbox 360 or even both. I was shock about star ocean 4 is for xbox 360 which usally a Playstation game but now it a xbox game.

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

i think the "SMT persona" series will finish at p5 and another SMT series will start

[PersonaVento]

yeah but what could be the story line for P5...P3 was about the dark hours...P4 was about the tv world...so Could P5 could be about something like mirrior or it could take place in a city? it all come down if P5 can live above P3 and P4

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

yeah that's my point i think that whole series talks about minato arisato in particular cuz as everyone knows his soul prevents nyx from attacking our world and that elizabeth is trying to free him s i think you'll continue to play as either seta or minato or a new protoganist

[PersonaVento]

If that the case..maybe there will be a new protoganist but the storyline will have the world of P3 and P4 combine which mean we might see some old allies within P5 and find the truth about the Persona series. or a new storyline about why shadow were created and that Minato could come back to live. it really come down if P5 is about the event in P3 and P4 or a new storyline that might mark of a new age in the series

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

agreed ....... but i wonder if that's true how would atlus combine tvs with the dark hour

[PersonaVento]

well in P3 dark hours was created by people and so did the tv world so maybe someone made a dark hour within the tv world and shadow can go to the real world or dark hour/tv world. i don't know I just making up stuff up but it would be awesome to see what atlus could do with the tv and the dark hour. a whole new world. and i am also curious if persona summon is gotta be the guns or cards or maybe something new.

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

yeah i'm excited already but i hope it won't be on the ps3 only cuz i have a 360 and can't afford to buy a 3 this year

[PersonaVento]

never the less..it could be for the ps3 and xbox 360. anyway it will be a few year before we know for sure is P5 is real or not. maybe some of us can email to Atlus and ask them if there making P5 or not

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

well i asked them but no answer

[PersonaVento]

well we just need to sit back and wait for a long time. for now let just focus on P4

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

yeah good point

[kelvinc]

Guys: use the spoiler tags.

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

hehe :)

[PersonaVento]

while I was at work today..i thought about P5....would it be amesome if P5 took place in new york city

[Ike.]

You guys are getting awfully excited about a game that is so nonexistant that it doesn't even have any rumors to go on.

[Vincent Alexander]

I think it'd be sweet if P5 took all the main characters from every SMT game and pitted them against Disney characters, like Maleficent, Captain Hook or even Jafar.

[xHaseox]

I think it'd be sweet if P5 took all the main characters from every SMT game and pitted them against Disney characters, like Maleficent, Captain Hook or even Jafar.

I'll take 10!

[Kenji]

I think it'd be sweet if P5 took all the main characters from every SMT game and pitted them against Disney characters, like Maleficent, Captain Hook or even Jafar.
Uhh... no.

Actually, wait, I'll accept this, but only if this version of Goofy is in my party:

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn155/blackbeauty5/GoofyTime.jpg

[Aegis Ages]

I'd like if they showed a fith game, but maybe in a few years. I really like the Persona series so far! Wish I could have played 1 and 2!

[Raven_Yuri]

I do agree with most here though that the next persona should come out on either the 360 or the ps3 as it would be nice to see it go onto the current generation consoles as they could probably do more things with what the ps3 and 360 offer. But for now i think i'm just going to work on persona 4 hehe.

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

You guys are getting awfully excited about a game that is so nonexistant that it doesn't even have any rumors to go on.

yeah maybe

[hibiki_takami]

I'd rather have them do the next Persona on a console where they're assured that they can make money on ... and it seems that, based off of Persona 4's sales, that the PlayStation 2 is still the one to count on.

I don't want the company to take 2-3 years to perfect a game engine for a new system only for reviewers to slam the graphics for being "outdated" or "bad". It seems that the barometer reading of a "good game" on the newer consoles is how flashy the graphics look (I realize that this is a generalized point, but consider the competition in the genre i.e. Square Enix, Namco, etc), and I don't want Atlus to feel that they have to compete with these guys in order to make a good game.

Atlus has served the community well by doing what they think does best for their company - and this is a tremendous feat considering that they have to ensure that they make money AND serve their community. Some companies who do this lose the vision of where their company should go.

One of the chief concepts that I've loved about the Persona series was the connection with contemporary culture. Persona 4's Inaba, while small, often times felt tangible and accessible even to an American audience like it really existed in Japan. I recall from an interview that Inaba was based on a town near Mount Fuji and that it was built based on the experience in small towns that the entire team had - though the definition of "small town" differed from person to person.

As long as Atlus plays to their strengths, this series and the rest of the SMT sub-series including the main one will live on.

[Foobar]

I don't feel like I need a constant Persona fix. After the PSP remake gets out (and that could be followed by a P2 remake, who knows?) I think the series can rest for a bit.

SMT4 was announced for PS3 long ago, we've just not heard anything about it for a bit. I'm sure its still being worked on considering the behemoth that Nocturne was. Consider this: Nocturne was the cornerstone for all future SMT games on PS2. All the assets from that game got reused elsewhere in DDS, Devil Summoner, Persona 3, P4 and DS2: RK vs. KA as well. The PS3 incarnation of the SMT could prove to be the foundation for future titles.

While I have very little drive to want a PS3 right now, SMT being on it would be a major incentive. I usually only justfy a console purchase by five games I want. One SMT title would exceed that standard most likely, because other SMT spin-offs would be bound to follow.

In the meantime, there's DS2, Devil Survivor and likely the PSP Persona to look forward to and if you're new to the SMT franchise, there's plenty of stuff to catch up on. Not to mention these games all have high replay value. So it won't be hard for me to get and SMT fix, really.

On the topic of Altus "needing" a franchise to compete with SE:

I don't see the need. Altus plays well to the following the have and are actually quite different from other Japanese developers for doing that. If they went on the scale of SE, they would pretty much have to lose that. I mean, really, what awesome pre-order bonus did you get with your last Final Fantasy game? Kingdom Hearts: CoM got me some... postcards? SE's already hemmoraging cash just to get the production values high enough to attract people so they can break even. Giving out the little bonuses Atlus does would be unrealistic for them.

However, that's not to say SE couldn't learn a few things from Atlus. SE most certainly could learn a lot from them. It mostly lies in the fact that Atlus treats their western customers better.

[The Liztress]

I think it'd be sweet if P5 took all the main characters from every SMT game and pitted them against Disney characters, like Maleficent, Captain Hook or even Jafar.

Ugh, sorry but I find that idea to be a bad one. Don't get me wrong though. Kingdom Hearts was a good series. But the SMT series would really clash with Disney.

As for if I want the Persona series to continue and how often would I like to see it released, I honestly want to see a new SMT game instead of Persona. Persona is a great series but I feel like they should try releasing more of the other series they have. And while, for me, a game once a year would be nice but I rather they take their time and produce a great game within like two to five years than to send out a game that isn't done to the best of their abilities. Also, this would help me be able to finish the games I have now.

This is all my own opinion, of course.

[Vincent Alexander]

I think it'd be sweet if P5 took all the main characters from every SMT game and pitted them against Disney characters, like Maleficent, Captain Hook or even Jafar.

Ugh, sorry but I find that idea to be a bad one. Don't get me wrong though. Kingdom Hearts was a good series. But the SMT series would really clash with Disney.
Ya...that is true. Perhaps cereal box mascots instead. Count Chocula would, of course, be the final baddy.

[The Liztress]

Maybe, but have you seen the muscles on Toucan Sam? He's a beast.


Why not do fast food mascots instead? The Burger King, the Whopper Jr. boy, and Ronald McDonald can be your party members.

[Kenji]

I second Ronald McDonald. If anyone here has seen Masao's renditions of him, he would totally fit into the MegaTen mood (especially hanging around murderous fiends like Alice).

[Iris]

I'd rather have them do the next Persona on a console where they're assured that they can make money on ... and it seems that, based off of Persona 4's sales, that the PlayStation 2 is still the one to count on.

If it were coming out now, maybe. But PS2 sales may not be so good after the necessary development time for a new game, especially if we want it to be new and not the last one with a new coat of paint.

(Disclaimer: I loved P4, and the improvements it made to the P3 engine were great. But I think that a third game with the calendar system and social links would really be pushing it, and I'd much rather see Atlus try something new.)

[Vincent Alexander]

[QUOTE=hibiki_takami;101142](Disclaimer: I loved P4, and the improvements it made to the P3 engine were great. But I think that a third game with the calendar system and social links would really be pushing it, and I'd much rather see Atlus try something new.)
Agreed. If either of those return, I'll simply stay away from the game. I'm not sure how I liked Persona 3 as much as I did, because I hate games with mechanics like the calendar, where you can only do so much in a given day.

[PersonaVento]

I don't feel like I need a constant Persona fix. After the PSP remake gets out (and that could be followed by a P2 remake, who knows?) I think the series can rest for a bit.

What? they making a persona game for psp?

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

I don't feel like I need a constant Persona fix. After the PSP remake gets out (and that could be followed by a P2 remake, who knows?) I think the series can rest for a bit.

What? they making a persona game for psp?

you don't know??? yes they are remaking persona1 BUT we still don't know if it's going to be localized

[xHaseox]

I'd be all for changing the calender system, but it wouldn't be the same for me without social links.

I mean, where else can I live out my fantasy of dating anime chicks? I guess I'll have to start playing Harvest Moon. >_>

[Moé]

There will be no Persona 5 until more of the main series has been done and when it does come out it will be drastically different from 3/4

Or at least, that's what I'd like to say, but with the way 3/4 get eaten up by the public it would be a miracle of the monotony of dungeon crawling/social sim hybrid ever ended.

[The Liztress]

Kenji, I haven't seen them. I'll have to look them up.

[xHaseox]

There will be no Persona 5 until more of the main series has been done and when it does come out it will be drastically different from 3/4

Or at least, that's what I'd like to say, but with the way 3/4 get eaten up by the public it would be a miracle of the monotony of dungeon crawling/social sim hybrid ever ended.

I know, right? How dare Atlus continue their most widely successful and acclaimed series? They should change everything just to please a couple of butthurt fans, completely ignoring that combined, Persona 4, Persona 3 and Persona 3 FES have sold over a million copies.

It's truely hard to belive some of you are fans. Most would be thrilled that Atlus is getting such attention with the Persona titles.

[Moé]

There will be no Persona 5 until more of the main series has been done and when it does come out it will be drastically different from 3/4

Or at least, that's what I'd like to say, but with the way 3/4 get eaten up by the public it would be a miracle of the monotony of dungeon crawling/social sim hybrid ever ended.

I know, right? How dare Atlus continue their most widely successful and acclaimed series? They should change everything just to please a couple of butthurt fans, completely ignoring that combined, Persona 4, Persona 3 and Persona 3 FES have sold over a million copies.

It's truely hard to belive some of you are fans. Most would be thrilled that Atlus is getting such attention with the Persona titles.
I'd rather Persona 5 not be exactly the same as 3/4, and I'm sure most people in this thread are just in denial when they say otherwise.

Also, considering Persona is a SPINOFF SERIES paying more attention to it than the main series is uncanny, to say the least. Persona 3/4 are just piles of shameless advertising to weeaboos.

[persona3rocks]

I guess I'll have to start playing Harvest Moon. >_>

go for it i love harvest moon

[xHaseox]

There will be no Persona 5 until more of the main series has been done and when it does come out it will be drastically different from 3/4

Or at least, that's what I'd like to say, but with the way 3/4 get eaten up by the public it would be a miracle of the monotony of dungeon crawling/social sim hybrid ever ended.

I know, right? How dare Atlus continue their most widely successful and acclaimed series? They should change everything just to please a couple of butthurt fans, completely ignoring that combined, Persona 4, Persona 3 and Persona 3 FES have sold over a million copies.

It's truely hard to belive some of you are fans. Most would be thrilled that Atlus is getting such attention with the Persona titles.
I'd rather Persona 5 not be exactly the same as 3/4, and I'm sure most people in this thread are just in denial when they say otherwise.

Also, considering Persona is a SPINOFF SERIES paying more attention to it than the main series is uncanny, to say the least. Persona 3/4 are just piles of shameless advertising to weeaboos.

But you know, there are Atlus fans outside of this place. Most of whom think this forum is just a haven for stuck-up elitists who are hateful because Persona is getting all the attention. Low and behold, they aren't far off from what I've seen. And there is the whole Japanese fanbase...

In Japan, Persona titles don't carry the Shin Megmai Tensei label anymore, so wouldn't that kind of make Persona seperate?

Weeaboos? Really? Let's look at all the other anime based/themed titles Atlus is bringing us this year, and not to mention the tons of other anime styled titles they have localized/developed. And you are just now bothered with it?

[Moé]

There will be no Persona 5 until more of the main series has been done and when it does come out it will be drastically different from 3/4

Or at least, that's what I'd like to say, but with the way 3/4 get eaten up by the public it would be a miracle of the monotony of dungeon crawling/social sim hybrid ever ended.

I know, right? How dare Atlus continue their most widely successful and acclaimed series? They should change everything just to please a couple of butthurt fans, completely ignoring that combined, Persona 4, Persona 3 and Persona 3 FES have sold over a million copies.

It's truely hard to belive some of you are fans. Most would be thrilled that Atlus is getting such attention with the Persona titles.
I'd rather Persona 5 not be exactly the same as 3/4, and I'm sure most people in this thread are just in denial when they say otherwise.

Also, considering Persona is a SPINOFF SERIES paying more attention to it than the main series is uncanny, to say the least. Persona 3/4 are just piles of shameless advertising to weeaboos.

But you know, there are Atlus fans outside of this place. Most of whom think this forum is just a haven for stuck-up elitists who are hateful because Persona is getting all the attention. Low and behold, they aren't far off from what I've seen. And there is the whole Japanese fanbase...

In Japan, Persona titles don't carry the Shin Megmai Tensei label anymore, so wouldn't that kind of make Persona seperate?

Weeaboos? Really? Let's look at all the other anime based/themed titles Atlus is bringing us this year, and not to mention the tons of other anime styled titles they have localized/developed. And you are just now bothered with it?
-"In Japan, Persona titles don't carry the Shin Megami Tensei label anymore..." - It's the same game, except in Persona you only customize one character and the rest are set. Just because they give or take the SMT name doesn't mean they aren't the exact same thing.
-"Let's look at all the other anime based/themed titles Atlus is bringing us this year..." - Why should I be concerned about a bunch of games completely unrelated to the topic of this conversation? I'm concerned about the complete change in aesthetics and simplifications given to the gameplay of the series, the new fans that refuse to acknowledge the existence of any title in the Persona AND SMT series that isn't Persona 3 or 4, and the lack of the awesome music that other SMT titles have. Of course, I couldn't care what direction Persona 5 goes, I just want SMT 4. Gonna be fly, yo.

[xHaseox]

I bring up the other titles because you claim Atlus is "advertising to weeaboos", and I'm sure that's about half of the fanbase to begin with.

I guess that's what it all boils down to, isn't it? The new blood in the Atlus fanbase that don't appreciate the old titles and can't see beyond Persona 3/4.

Persona is more popular and the older fans are afraid that Atlus is going to change everything. Is there any evidence to show that that is the case? Did they completely change the new Devil Summoner or something? And Devil Survivor looks to be pretty old-school.

I don't see any reason to be worked up. You'd have to be looney to not think Atlus Japan isn't doing something about SMT4.

[Medicatedsoap]

Whenever Persona 5 is, I demand the option to make the MC gay. GNAH.

Picky I know, but as I'm gay and a big fan of the Persona series, it'd be quite a nice touch. Persona 4 was a huge step up over Persona 3 in that area, but I'd just love the option to have the MC have an S. Link like that.

And I know some people here are saying Atlus should take a break from Persona, but bring it on I say. It's their most successful series, and as long as they find a way to keep it fresh, I don't really care if one came out next year? It's not like they're not making other SMT titles.

[Vincent Alexander]

There will be no Persona 5 until more of the main series has been done and when it does come out it will be drastically different from 3/4

Or at least, that's what I'd like to say, but with the way 3/4 get eaten up by the public it would be a miracle of the monotony of dungeon crawling/social sim hybrid ever ended.

I know, right? How dare Atlus continue their most widely successful and acclaimed series? They should change everything just to please a couple of butthurt fans, completely ignoring that combined, Persona 4, Persona 3 and Persona 3 FES have sold over a million copies.

It's truely hard to belive some of you are fans. Most would be thrilled that Atlus is getting such attention with the Persona titles.
I'd rather Persona 5 not be exactly the same as 3/4, and I'm sure most people in this thread are just in denial when they say otherwise.

Also, considering Persona is a SPINOFF SERIES paying more attention to it than the main series is uncanny, to say the least. Persona 3/4 are just piles of shameless advertising to weeaboos.

But you know, there are Atlus fans outside of this place. Most of whom think this forum is just a haven for stuck-up elitists who are hateful because Persona is getting all the attention. Low and behold, they aren't far off from what I've seen. And there is the whole Japanese fanbase...

In Japan, Persona titles don't carry the Shin Megmai Tensei label anymore, so wouldn't that kind of make Persona seperate?

Weeaboos? Really? Let's look at all the other anime based/themed titles Atlus is bringing us this year, and not to mention the tons of other anime styled titles they have localized/developed. And you are just now bothered with it?
You are both being pretty defensive for no real reason. First, who cares what those outside of this forum think? Secondly, is it too far out there for Moe to be worried about Persona games being churned out every day with the same mechanics? Of course, that hasn't happened yet, and who knows if it will. Complaining about what may be is pointless this early on. But Haseo, to come out and defend Atlus by pretty much saying you wouldn't mind Atlus selling re-hashed #### Persona games simply because they make a lot of money off of them doesn't seem quite right. Give Atlus more credit than that. And I'm tired of the bull#### of those trying to separate everyone at Atlus into tiny little groups. People seem to think there are those who like Nocturne, then there are those who like Persona. That #### has to stop, because it couldn't be more wrong, and it couldn't be more annoying. Because some are more outspoken than others means nothing.

[kelvinc]

Honestly, I was somewhat surprised that MC didn't swing both ways in P4. It's not like the game denied the existence of gays, and nothing the MC does in the game, besides the possibility of dating a female, suggested that he couldn't an exclusive homosexual. Though I guess they wanted to keep Kanji's identity hanging and Yosuke being clearly hetero as plot elements, which limited the only possible other option of a male companion being Kou/Daisuke, which seems to be creating a major character trait just for the heck of it.

I don't know how many of us are there, but I got into Atlus stuff because of P3, I've yet only played P3 and P4, I like those games for the social interaction elements more than the dungeon crawling, but I still don't want a quick P5 coming down the tubes. I want Atlus to be damn sure they have a great idea for a P5 story, lest they tarnish the (rebooted) Persona franchise by milking it excessively. They've done an urban setting and a rural setting, so I'm pretty sure whatever setting they set a P5, I'm going to start comparing it with either one to see which is better, which I don't want. The crew have gone to the "other side" at night and after school: either they'll repeat one of those two or they're going to have to go over during their lunch break! I'm not saying that Atlus is unimaginative, but it's just human nature that I'm going to look at a 2009/10-released P5 and start saying "oh they took this from P3 or P4" and it's just going to diminish the experience.

Plus I have Odin Sphere and Jeanne d'Arc waiting in the wings for quite some time now and it just wouldn't seem fair to those games. ;)

[Moé]

There will be no Persona 5 until more of the main series has been done and when it does come out it will be drastically different from 3/4

Or at least, that's what I'd like to say, but with the way 3/4 get eaten up by the public it would be a miracle of the monotony of dungeon crawling/social sim hybrid ever ended.

I know, right? How dare Atlus continue their most widely successful and acclaimed series? They should change everything just to please a couple of butthurt fans, completely ignoring that combined, Persona 4, Persona 3 and Persona 3 FES have sold over a million copies.

It's truely hard to belive some of you are fans. Most would be thrilled that Atlus is getting such attention with the Persona titles.
I'd rather Persona 5 not be exactly the same as 3/4, and I'm sure most people in this thread are just in denial when they say otherwise.

Also, considering Persona is a SPINOFF SERIES paying more attention to it than the main series is uncanny, to say the least. Persona 3/4 are just piles of shameless advertising to weeaboos.

But you know, there are Atlus fans outside of this place. Most of whom think this forum is just a haven for stuck-up elitists who are hateful because Persona is getting all the attention. Low and behold, they aren't far off from what I've seen. And there is the whole Japanese fanbase...

In Japan, Persona titles don't carry the Shin Megmai Tensei label anymore, so wouldn't that kind of make Persona seperate?

Weeaboos? Really? Let's look at all the other anime based/themed titles Atlus is bringing us this year, and not to mention the tons of other anime styled titles they have localized/developed. And you are just now bothered with it?
You are both being pretty defensive for no real reason. First, who cares what those outside of this forum think? Secondly, is it too far out there for Moe to be worried about Persona games being churned out every day with the same mechanics? Of course, that hasn't happened yet, and who knows if it will. Complaining about what may be is pointless this early on. But Haseo, to come out and defend Atlus by pretty much saying you wouldn't mind Atlus selling re-hashed #### Persona games simply because they make a lot of money off of them doesn't seem quite right. Give Atlus more credit than that. And I'm tired of the bull#### of those trying to separate everyone at Atlus into tiny little groups. People seem to think there are those who like Nocturne, then there are those who like Persona. That #### has to stop, because it couldn't be more wrong, and it couldn't be more annoying. Because some are more outspoken than others means nothing.
I had no problem with Persona 3, sure the "new blood" in the fanbase was annoying as piss, but it was a decent game, but then the very next year Persona 4 is released on the same gameplay system with little to no changes, and the fanbase becomes even more retarded.

[LadyRayna]

While I tend to avoid this kind of argument (been there, done that), there's something I really need to say.

Persona is more popular and the older fans are afraid that Atlus is going to change everything. Is there any evidence to show that that is the case?

Yes, there is. Considering these drastic changes started with Digital Devil Saga (some say Nocturne) and haven’t stopped, you can say it’s a trend and, therefore, there’s a tangible chance they will permeate all games.

I think it’s a shame that some newer fans aren’t interested in the older games, but that’s it. There’s nothing I can do about it, nor do I want to. What really irritates me is when they talk about things they are absolutely clueless. For example, “S. Links = Persona” or when they claim that Persona/Megaten is popular only because of P3. In the West I agree, but in Japan it’s another story.

[xHaseox]

But Persona 4 is widely considered a better game. So what's the problem? Unless they announce Persona 5 this summer for the PS2, I wouldn't worry.

I didn't say anything about being fine with Atlus re-hasing the Persona series. Games in the same series usually keep similar elements, don't they?

And I'm just going by my personal experiences. Those who get all pissy over the Persons series, constantly bitching about not getting SMT4, and those who only care about Persona.

Yes, there is. Considering these drastic changes started with Digital Devil Saga (some say Nocturne) and haven’t stopped, you can say it’s a trend and, therefore, there’s a tangible chance they will permeate all games.

But how many people have really gone earlier than Nocturne? (I haven't personally, since I have no idea how I could play any of the oldest titles in a language I can actually understand.)

[Vincent Alexander]

But how many people have really gone earlier than Nocturne? A lot of people

[xHaseox]

Well, I've only read about them, since I haven't found a way to play them. What are the major differences, besides the stories, which seem to be much more twisted?

[Vincent Alexander]

What Atlus games have you played besides Persona 3 and Persona 4?

[xHaseox]

Both Digital Devil Saga titles, Nocturne and Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Soulless Army are the only titles I own that are developed by Atlus, along with Persona 3 and Persona 4.

I don't have the money to go back any further.

[Vincent Alexander]

Going to send you a PM...

[Iris]

And I'm tired of the bull#### of those trying to separate everyone at Atlus into tiny little groups. People seem to think there are those who like Nocturne, then there are those who like Persona.

This.

Listening to a lot of people talk about the Megaten fandom (and I don't just mean here; I see this elsewhere), it seems like you have to be either an old-school nazi who thinks that P3/4 are the worst thing that's ever happening to gaming, or you're a weeaboo n00b who only cares about P3/4 and is too stupid to comprehend that the franchise existed before them.

But there's a middle ground, and I can't imagine I'm the only person in it who really dislikes the assertion that those of us who would like to see something else before P5 are "butthurt," or that "It's truely hard to belive some of you are fans."

[Fatney]

Like me, I love P4 above all other SMT games (so far), but I'm not gonna say that P4 is the best SMT game ever. It's just my opinion after all.

Yeah. They are my favorite games of all time probably, but I still think there are better games in terms of quality overall.

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

nah i disagree there are no better RPGs than the SMT series even the FF series

[Saburo Hikari]

nah i disagree there are no better RPGs than the SMT series even the FF seriesNo, there is no such thing as a better game/series unless one's quality much different than another (Say Halo vs. Bionicle Heroes *shrug*). Once again, SMT targets one audience, while FF targets another. Same with Persona 3 and Persona 4. They also target an audience different from the usual SMT ones, which is largely why they don't like it. This is why hibiki_takami's review club is awesome because they recommend the games to the appropriate audience that will like the games instead of giving them scores.

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

good point

[Rin]

Like me, I love P4 above all other SMT games (so far), but I'm not gonna say that P4 is the best SMT game ever. It's just my opinion after all.

Yeah. They are my favorite games of all time probably, but I still think there are better games in terms of quality overall.

Well, yeah so far, it's the best! I like the characters that they looked so realistic, along with their problem with their shadows and all...

[Fatney]

nah i disagree there are no better RPGs than the SMT series even the FF series

I think Chrono Trigger is a better game, but it does not appeal to me as(bold because I absolutely love Chrono Trigger) much as Persona 3 and 4. But I didn't really mean just RPGs, I meant any game at all. There are many games that are better and more polished than the Megaten games, when thinking about all the aspects. As I said, they just appeal to me because they are my type of games.

[Vincent Alexander]

There are many games that are better and more polished than the Megaten games, when thinking about all the aspects. As I said, they just appeal to me because they are my type of games.
You may be crucified for that statement here, although I personally agree.

[AleM]

I feel there is a strong connection between Persona 3 and Persona 4, so I wish for a Persona 5 to close this supposed trilogy. But I think that a fourth installment in the series with the same system wouldn't be as good as the others. It would be like transforming the Persona franchise into something like Madden or PES, except that those are sport games not RPGs.

I don't think that the Persona games will stop anytime soon, however, I expect some significant innovations in the future, meaning that the next installments will take more time to be released.

[Delition]

I'll continue to buy Persona games, as I've enjoyed pretty much every game in the SMT universe. For all of those arguing about why Atlus is making games such as Persona 3 and 4, which are different from other games in the universe, why not argue about something useful? Nothing on this forum is really going to change much with how the SMT universe goes, so argue about better things.

And Vincent, you aren't the only one who is sick of everyone being grouped into different categories. That's the biggest reason why we lack certain decent posters on this forum nowadays.

[Moé]

I feel there is a strong connection between Persona 3 and Persona 4, so I wish for a Persona 5 to close this supposed trilogy. But I think that a fourth installment in the series with the same system wouldn't be as good as the others. It would be like transforming the Persona franchise into something like Madden or PES, except that those are sport games not RPGs.

I don't think that the Persona games will stop anytime soon, however, I expect some significant innovations in the future, meaning that the next installments will take more time to be released.
>Persona
>trilogy

hurr hurr

also;
>Chrono Trigger
>fun

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

nah i disagree there are no better RPGs than the SMT series even the FF series

I think Chrono Trigger is a better game, but it does not appeal to me as(bold because I absolutely love Chrono Trigger) much as Persona 3 and 4. But I didn't really mean just RPGs, I meant any game at all. There are many games that are better and more polished than the Megaten games, when thinking about all the aspects. As I said, they just appeal to me because they are my type of games.

well that's your opinion

[Fatney]

I feel there is a strong connection between Persona 3 and Persona 4, so I wish for a Persona 5 to close this supposed trilogy. But I think that a fourth installment in the series with the same system wouldn't be as good as the others. It would be like transforming the Persona franchise into something like Madden or PES, except that those are sport games not RPGs.

I don't think that the Persona games will stop anytime soon, however, I expect some significant innovations in the future, meaning that the next installments will take more time to be released.
>Persona
>trilogy

hurr hurr

also;
>Chrono Trigger
>fun

You really don't think Chrono Trigger is fun? Did you play it for more than 2 hours? That game becomes more and more epic as the story evolves, I love all of the time-travelling.

[emperorzorn]

Now that Square-Enix is producing a lot of crappy RPGs since their merger,
I think Persona is THE best rpg series in its time,
and definately superior to (the current) Final Fantasy games.

I am already hyped for Persona 5 and also to hear on which platform it will appear.
PS2 ? PS3 ? XBOX 360 ? Cant wait.

To the person above me: yeah, Chrono Trigger rocks !

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

Now that Square-Enix is producing a lot of crappy RPGs since their merger,
I think Persona is THE best rpg series in its time,
and definately superior to (the current) Final Fantasy games.

I am already hyped for Persona 5 and also to hear on which platform it will appear.
PS2 ? PS3 ? XBOX 360 ? Cant wait.

To the person above me: yeah, Chrono Trigger rocks !

you can't say that Square-Enix's RPGS are crappy they produced some of the best RPGs this world has ever know but that doesn't mean they are better than persona no persona is THE LEGENDARY RPG and yeah about the platform i think it'll be on the 360 and 3 maybe

[emperorzorn]

you can't say that Square-Enix's RPGS are crappy they produced some of the best RPGs this world has ever know but that doesn't mean they are better than persona no persona is THE LEGENDARY RPG and yeah about the platform i think it'll be on the 360 and 3 maybe

I really dont know.
Games like FF7, FF6, FF9 were awesome but it went slightly downhill from there.
Hopefully FF13 will change this trend (at least it looks good so far).

To me Persona did what FF7 did years ago: it made me feel stunned, excited
and made me finish this damn long RPG to the end (!) without getting bored.

While FF8 broke a bit of my FF excitement back then,
Persona 4 was even an improvement to Persona 3.

I think Atlus knows what they are doing, and I'm really glad that Atlus is around.
Because right now Persona seems to be the only RPG that I really can drool over.

I'm also a big fan of the Star Ocean series,
but unsure about the latest installment (SO4) - it looks a bit...strange.

I hate games that put too much emphasis on graphics,
I rather play some old PS2 rpgs that set their focus on gameplay and fun. :P

High-end graphics already ruined good series like Grandia,
but I'm not saying that its impossible to have both good graphics and a good game.

[Tatsuya]

I doubt that atlus will permanently shelf the persona series any time soon, as it is the best selling of the megaten series i hear, but i do want them to at least make more of the other types as well like one of the main series or maybe even a new last bible game.

[emperorzorn]

I doubt that atlus will permanently shelf the persona series any time soon, as it is the best selling of the megaten series i hear, but i do want them to at least make more of the other types as well like one of the main series or maybe even a new last bible game.

While I like Persona mainly and while I am not a big fan of
the rest of the SMT series so far I agree.
They should produce other SMT games,
because obviously there are people who enjoy them aswell.

I think overall its great that Persona has become their flagship series,
because the mainstream popularity of P3 has surely boosted the interest in
other SMT games by people new to those games and also positively affected
overall sales.
Which means Atlus has more funds/resources to put into their rpgs including the SMT ones.

;)

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

you can't say that Square-Enix's RPGS are crappy they produced some of the best RPGs this world has ever know but that doesn't mean they are better than persona no persona is THE LEGENDARY RPG and yeah about the platform i think it'll be on the 360 and 3 maybe

I really dont know.
Games like FF7, FF6, FF9 were awesome but it went slightly downhill from there.
Hopefully FF13 will change this trend (at least it looks good so far).

To me Persona did what FF7 did years ago: it made me feel stunned, excited
and made me finish this damn long RPG to the end (!) without getting bored.

While FF8 broke a bit of my FF excitement back then,
Persona 4 was even an improvement to Persona 3.

I think Atlus knows what they are doing, and I'm really glad that Atlus is around.
Because right now Persona seems to be the only RPG that I really can drool over.

I'm also a big fan of the Star Ocean series,
but unsure about the latest installment (SO4) - it looks a bit...strange.

I hate games that put too much emphasis on graphics,
I rather play some old PS2 rpgs that set their focus on gameplay and fun. :P

High-end graphics already ruined good series like Grandia,
but I'm not saying that its impossible to have both good graphics and a good game.

for me the story is the most important thing in any game

[Fatney]

I am already hyped for Persona 5 and also to hear on which platform it will appear.
PS2 ? PS3 ? XBOX 360 ? Cant wait.

Oh no, for it to appear on the PS3 or the 360 is my biggest fear. RPGs just don't work well on next gen-systems. When you have to load high-end graphics every ten seconds, you'll see the loading screen more often than the real game. There are also always some problems with them, like glitches, freezes, TEXTURE LOADING... Last gen-games were almost perfect.

They should make it to the PS2 still, or Wii even though I do not own one. But I'll just borrow one, or even buy my own if it is that crazy good.

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

I am already hyped for Persona 5 and also to hear on which platform it will appear.
PS2 ? PS3 ? XBOX 360 ? Cant wait.

Oh no, for it to appear on the PS3 or the 360 is my biggest fear. RPGs just don't work well on next gen-systems. When you have to load high-end graphics every ten seconds, you'll see the loading screen more often than the real game. There are also always some problems with them, like glitches, freezes, TEXTURE LOADING... Last gen-games were almost perfect.

They should make it to the PS2 still, or Wii even though I do not own one. But I'll just borrow one, or even buy my own if it is that crazy good.

i don't know but i'd like to see persona in some high-tech graphcs

[Fatney]

I can't really imagine it. The style in Persona wouldn't fit. It would look like Star Ocean 4, which looks horrible, but to keep the style it would be a huge animu-illustration over the text, which would look weird when everything is so detailed. The only thing that could make it OK would be cel-shading, but that doesn't fit Persona's style.

[Moé]

I feel there is a strong connection between Persona 3 and Persona 4, so I wish for a Persona 5 to close this supposed trilogy. But I think that a fourth installment in the series with the same system wouldn't be as good as the others. It would be like transforming the Persona franchise into something like Madden or PES, except that those are sport games not RPGs.

I don't think that the Persona games will stop anytime soon, however, I expect some significant innovations in the future, meaning that the next installments will take more time to be released.
>Persona
>trilogy

hurr hurr

also;
>Chrono Trigger
>fun

You really don't think Chrono Trigger is fun? Did you play it for more than 2 hours? That game becomes more and more epic as the story evolves, I love all of the time-travelling.
I honestly didn't play it for that long, I was half joking.

[AleM]

I can't really imagine it. The style in Persona wouldn't fit. It would look like Star Ocean 4, which looks horrible, but to keep the style it would be a huge animu-illustration over the text, which would look weird when everything is so detailed. The only thing that could make it OK would be cel-shading, but that doesn't fit Persona's style.

Or they could do just like the Disgaea game that came out for the PS3 some time ago: keep the same style from the previous games (with the drawings and everything) while improving the graphics in some parts, such as the environment, the spell effects, the models, etc.

[Saburo Hikari]

Most of the positive arguments about Persona 3 and Persona 4 are reasons why SMT veterans shouldn't hate these games (Unless they're hating fanboys/girls as bad as the ones for FFVII. Then that's okay.;)).

As for next gen Persona, I think it would be great. Basically the graphics would be very polished versions of P3/P4, there would be more to explore, maybe the random-floor layout could be replaced with dungeons similar to today's RPGs and still feel large,it would be a longer game, and more small features could be included such as birthdays.

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

I can't really imagine it. The style in Persona wouldn't fit. It would look like Star Ocean 4, which looks horrible, but to keep the style it would be a huge animu-illustration over the text, which would look weird when everything is so detailed. The only thing that could make it OK would be cel-shading, but that doesn't fit Persona's style.

how about we leave it to atlus i think they can figure something out

[Vincent Alexander]

I can't really imagine it. The style in Persona wouldn't fit. It would look like Star Ocean 4, which looks horrible, but to keep the style it would be a huge animu-illustration over the text, which would look weird when everything is so detailed. The only thing that could make it OK would be cel-shading, but that doesn't fit Persona's style.

how about we leave it to atlus i think they can figure something out
Smartest thing I've heard all day.

[Fatney]

"How about we do not discuss"

[Chidori Boy Uchiha]

I can't really imagine it. The style in Persona wouldn't fit. It would look like Star Ocean 4, which looks horrible, but to keep the style it would be a huge animu-illustration over the text, which would look weird when everything is so detailed. The only thing that could make it OK would be cel-shading, but that doesn't fit Persona's style.

how about we leave it to atlus i think they can figure something out
Smartest thing I've heard all day.

lol

[PersonaVento]

would it be cool if Atlus made a Persona 4 FES

[Fatney]

They won't, but it would be OK just so that my second(I'm waiting untill I've finished most of my games to play it again, it'll feel as good as new) playthrough would be even better. But when you think about it, Persona 4 got more content than the Journey in Persona 3: FES.

[Rin]

Well, that's true, even though most of my friends didn't play the Answer section, they said it's boring... But I played it alright... Well, maybe it's because I played it in the middle of my exam... But, yeah, I really hoped that they made the next sequel for P4... Even though I know that it's impossible...

[Fatney]

I kan really understand why they thought that it was boring to grind for 30 hours straight (seriously, now), but the ending was really worth it. It's better to watch the ending after lots of hard (and a little boring) work, than simply watching it on youtube.

[PersonaVento]

I personally think there should make a FES for persona...if you think about it..would it be cool if the MC come back to visit and suddenly a new foe from the tv world started to created chaos.

[persona3rocks]

Nah that be to original, i dont think id like it. or i might i wish atlus would just focus on the next persona whic h should be p5.

hey does anyone know when these forums will appear on atlusonline????

[Yukichin]

Atlus Online and the Atlus forums are two different things; the only forums that will be on Atlus Online are the ones that were labeled as "Atlus Online".

As for something I wish for... I know they made an MMO of SMT, but I wouldn't mind one similar to Persona 3 or 4 in battle. I like the battling (mostly) in SMT: Imagine, but seeing as the Persona series has the other characters fight automatically, it could possibly lend itself well to an MMO...

[Iris]

seeing as the Persona series has the other characters fight automatically

Not...all of it...

[emperorzorn]

Well, the release time between Persona 3 and Persona 4 was around a year
(which is pretty fast for an rpg).

So I think IF Persona 5 is on the PS2 aswell, we might see it this December.
If its on a next-gen platform we'll probably have to wait until next year.

[Fatney]

Do remember that Persona 3 was released in 2006 in Japan, so the distance between it and Persona 4 was 2 years.

[emperorzorn]

Do remember that Persona 3 was released in 2006 in Japan, so the distance between it and Persona 4 was 2 years.

*sniff* ..there go all my hopes and dreams.
No Persona 5 with students flushing themself down toilets to fight shadows in
the Midnight Sewer...

[Rin]

I personally think there should make a FES for persona...if you think about it..would it be cool if the MC come back to visit and suddenly a new foe from the tv world started to created chaos.

For that, you better go to the Persona 4 Fanfiction thread, there's something similar to what you've been wanting... Some one made a fanfic about P4 five years later from that time, and truly, IT"S REALLY GREAT!!! I've been sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the next chapter... If you wanted to try, there's the link in the thread... But, well, there might be some spoilers if you haven't finished the game though...

[Yukichin]

seeing as the Persona series has the other characters fight automatically

Not...all of it...

lol, I know. I should've worded that better, sorry.

[lance435]

I'd like to see a P5 soon. Maybe around end of 2009 or somewhere in 2010. Though I'd like it to simply close up the stories of P3 and P4 bec. I felt like P3 ended kinda sadly and P4's ending was kinda "short".

I'd also like to see it on the PS2 as some sort of way to end the great legacy(not so sure if that's the right word).

Won't be that bad though if Atlus decided to focus on returning the other spin-offs...

[Foobar]

I don't really see SMT games going beyond Devil Summoner 2 on PS2. Atlus has stayed behind for quite a while now and we should be hearing something about SMT IV sometime this year.

I think P3 and P4 is enough for now, really. Plus we got the remake of the first Persona on the way and Devil Survivor on top of Devil Summoner 2. so there will places for an SMT fix in the meantime.

[truegamer12]

I can't really imagine it. The style in Persona wouldn't fit. It would look like Star Ocean 4, which looks horrible, but to keep the style it would be a huge animu-illustration over the text, which would look weird when everything is so detailed. The only thing that could make it OK would be cel-shading, but that doesn't fit Persona's style.

I think that's just bad programing on tri-ace's part and I don't think that a next-gen persona has to look like that either. Why not do want naruto ninja storm did and have high-end call-shaded graphics that totally fits persona's style.

[Pibbman]

I am already hyped for Persona 5 and also to hear on which platform it will appear.
PS2 ? PS3 ? XBOX 360 ? Cant wait.

Oh no, for it to appear on the PS3 or the 360 is my biggest fear. RPGs just don't work well on next gen-systems. When you have to load high-end graphics every ten seconds, you'll see the loading screen more often than the real game. There are also always some problems with them, like glitches, freezes, TEXTURE LOADING... Last gen-games were almost perfect.

They should make it to the PS2 still, or Wii even though I do not own one. But I'll just borrow one, or even buy my own if it is that crazy good.

What "next-gen" (it's time to stop calling it that because it's current gen now) RPG have you been playing? This is nearly non-existent on the PS3, can't speak the same for the 360 though.

I don't really see SMT games going beyond Devil Summoner 2 on PS2. Atlus has stayed behind for quite a while now and we should be hearing something about SMT IV sometime this year.

I think P3 and P4 is enough for now, really. Plus we got the remake of the first Persona on the way and Devil Survivor on top of Devil Summoner 2. so there will places for an SMT fix in the meantime.

Not to mention the fact that Sony is undoubtedly going to stop accepting PS2 games soon, since they gotta start getting developers to move over to the new platform or they'll never get out of the rut they are in.

In any case, I welcome any new SMT (and it's spinoffs) with open arms to my PS3, I kinda doubt it'll be showing up on 360 especially considering how RPGs on PS3 both in and outside of Japan show better sales.

In that note, I don't see Persona 5 coming for a LONG time now. Atlus seems to have this thing where they pickup a franchise of theirs and work on it, then put it on "hiatus" for 5 years or whatever before picking it up again. I think the small gap between P3 and P4 had to do with taking advantage of making some quick sales again using an existing engine before the platform went out for good.

[Zacewing]

I'd like to see Shin Megami Tensei IV before Persona 5.

But in Persona 5, I think it would be neat if the characters actually transformed into their Personas (kinda like DDS) to use skills instead of just summoning them.

And I'd like to see more SMT games use the skill system from the DDS games. That's just my opinion, though.

EDIT: Um...where did you get the idea that PS3 RPG's sell better than Xbox 360 RPG's?

[Pibbman]

I'd like to see Shin Megami Tensei IV before Persona 5.

But in Persona 5, I think it would be neat if the characters actually transformed into their Personas (kinda like DDS) to use skills instead of just summoning them.

And I'd like to see more SMT games use the skill system from the DDS games. That's just my opinion, though.

EDIT: Um...where did you get the idea that PS3 RPG's sell better than Xbox 360 RPG's?

I take a look at Media Create numbers (Japan) and NPD (North America) numbers every week/month, Europe is a bit harder to find info for though.

Plus you can find articles about it too with a google search, examples like White Knight Chronicles selling more in it's first week in Japan on the PS3, than the xbox 360 has after having an RPG on it's system for weeks there.

It shouldn't be surprising either considering that the PS3 has a larger user base in Japan than the 360. It should be noted what type of RPGs we're talking about here too, obviously JRPGs sell better on the PS/Nintendo brand, while the 360 has a slight hold over it on the WRPGs.

We haven't had much chances to do a true comparisons either since Microsoft has been buying up time exclusive titles too. I suppose that FFXIII will be the first real test for that, and I easily see PS3 coming out on top tbh especially considering the title is exclusive to PS3 in Japan.

[Oni-Kagura]

I'm a little burnt out towards Persona...I actually want to see some entries into other SMT series before P5.

Also, when P5 does come around, I want to see a return to the whole party having access to the Velvet Room, and the persona accessible through it - It wouldn't be difficult to do this while keeping the S. Link and calendar system. And call me crazy, but even though the high school setting is entertaining, I want to play as a group of adults again.

That being said...Shoji Meguro IS an incredible musician.

[Futomimi]

errrr, most of the games in the Persona series (except 2: EP) had a cast made up mostly of high schoolers and/or focused around the plot of a high school, though.

[Zacewing]

I'd like to see Shin Megami Tensei IV before Persona 5.

But in Persona 5, I think it would be neat if the characters actually transformed into their Personas (kinda like DDS) to use skills instead of just summoning them.

And I'd like to see more SMT games use the skill system from the DDS games. That's just my opinion, though.

EDIT: Um...where did you get the idea that PS3 RPG's sell better than Xbox 360 RPG's?

I take a look at Media Create numbers (Japan) and NPD (North America) numbers every week/month, Europe is a bit harder to find info for though.

Plus you can find articles about it too with a google search, examples like White Knight Chronicles selling more in it's first week in Japan on the PS3, than the xbox 360 has after having an RPG on it's system for weeks there.

It shouldn't be surprising either considering that the PS3 has a larger user base in Japan than the 360. It should be noted what type of RPGs we're talking about here too, obviously JRPGs sell better on the PS/Nintendo brand, while the 360 has a slight hold over it on the WRPGs.

We haven't had much chances to do a true comparisons either since Microsoft has been buying up time exclusive titles too. I suppose that FFXIII will be the first real test for that, and I easily see PS3 coming out on top tbh especially considering the title is exclusive to PS3 in Japan.

White Knight Chronicles had a huge amount of hype surrounding it, though.

Also, Tales Of Vesperia caused Xbox 360's to sell out all across Japan.

[Isshin_Ryori]

Ill keep this simple, If the persona series has potential extend it further.