Atlus announces Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier for Nintendo DS

[AtlusAram]

ATLUS BUSTS OUT WITH SUPER ROBOT TAISEN® OG SAGA: ENDLESS FRONTIER™ FOR NINTENDO DS™
Good luck keeping your hands off this strapping RPG Adventure!

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IRVINE, CALIFORNIA -- FEBRUARY 4, 2009 -- Atlus U.S.A., Inc. today announced that it has secured the North American publishing rights for Super Robot Taisen® OG Saga: Endless Frontier™ on Nintendo DS™, a sci-fi/fantasy-action RPG side story of the Super Robot Taisen Original Generation games. Embark on a journey across the fascinating worlds of the Endless Frontier along with robots, were-people, mermaids, demons, and humans all living with each other in harmony... more or less. From the fantastic new battle system to the captivating story of alternate worlds and characters bursting at the seams with personality, there is plenty to discover and uncover (*ahem*) in this well-rounded adventure.

Unlike most RPG battle systems, players will be engrossed in the interactive, action-packed, fighter-style combat in Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier. Customizable turn and time-based attacks allow players to administer the ultimate beat down on enemies by juggling them in the air and executing a continuous chain of kicks, punches, slashes, gun attacks, bombs, and more. In addition, players can call on their allies to extend their attack chains to ridiculous lengths.

As a continuation of the Atlus Spoils fan appreciation program, each and every launch copy of Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier will be a premium boxed release, with a soundtrack CD featuring music from the game included in the final retail package. It's our way of saying thanks to our fans for their continued support!

Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier is scheduled for release on April 28th, 2009 with an MSRP of $34.99.

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About Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier
Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier is a unique sci-fi/fantasy RPG that takes players across a variety of worlds, ranging from an apocalyptic wasteland covered with the hulks of downed spaceships to a fantastical place of fairy tales and dark magic. Join Haken Browning: gunslinger, professional bounty hunter, and amateur ladies' man, along with his motley crew of robots, were-beasts, secret agents, and busty princesses as they delve deep into the mysteries of how their worlds came to be and face a threat that imperils the multiverse.

Key Features
• Super Robot Taisen is back - Built on the DNA of the beloved Super Robot Taisen series, Endless Frontier expands the scope of the universe into a saga of multiple worlds and the conflict of humans, robots, and countless others living across space and time. The long-awaited return of the series brings with it with a brand new story and characters and a reinvented battle system.
• High-action chain combat system - Enemies go up and stay up with a battle system that lets you juggle foes with a run of kicks, punches, slashes, gun attacks, bombs, and more! Chaining is the name of the game, and timing-based button presses let you create an acrobatic string of assaults. You can even call in allies to keep the chain going longer!
• Customize your attack combos - Pick and choose from a menu of attack skills to create the combo line-up you want to use in battle. Skills vary in strength and resources used, in addition to side benefits of stunning, triggering critical hits, and more.
• Bonus items - Owners of the Super Robot Taisen Original Generation games for Game Boy Advance™ can unlock bonus items in their Endless Frontier game by booting the game with the GBA cartridges in the GBA game slot of their DS unit.

Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier has been rated "T" for Teen with Alcohol Reference, Fantasy Violence, Mild Language, Partial Nudity, and Suggestive Themes by the ESRB.

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About Atlus U.S.A., Inc.
Located in Irvine, California and founded in 1991, Atlus U.S.A., Inc. is renowned for its proud tradition of publishing exceptional role-playing games with strong niche appeal. The Atlus library of critically acclaimed video games includes Odin Sphere, Trauma Center series, and the award-winning Shin Megami Tensei series. For more information, visit http://www.atlus.com.

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[Nilix]

Oh WOW. My friend loves these games. I think it's time to inform them about this. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they already knew.

[VMan]

Oh WOW. My friend loves these games. I think it's time to inform them about this. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they already knew.

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/01/27/incoming-flood-of-atlus-game-leaks/

Your friend wouldn't be the only one. Nice! This and Persona will be a great way to kick off the summer for me.

[Philemon]

If they decide to dub the game, I hope they use Bridget Hoffman so she can reprise her role as KOS-MOS/T-elos's voice :D

But if they keep the Japanese voices, I'd be just as happy ;)

[VMan]

If they decide to dub the game, I hope they use Bridget Hoffman so she can reprise her role as KOS-MOS/T-elos's voice :D

I agree. She was definitely missed in Episode 2.

[Jeid]

Sold. Definitely buying at least one copy, maybe an extra one as a spare too.

Thanks for bringing this over, Atlus. Always great to see more SRT here.

[CanuckGamer]

Right now I am so totally titillated and bouncing out of my seat for this game.
Tho the email was just wrong, for it I give a double D because it was so bad.

Oh Atlus, you never let me down for my softcore cartoon/anime porn :3

[faithfulfanboy]

Looks awesome.

Good to know Atlus is still trying hard to bring over any Super Robot game they possibly can.

[Boss_Tuff]

Just got the email and almost spit out what I was drinking. Thanks Atlus, you made my day!

[Rednusander]

The Atlus logo: Sparing children from being drawn to buxom babes hanging out in lower right corners of boxes every day.

[Churchill]

So is this going to be in japanese with english subtitles or are we going to be forced to more wretched dubs?

Really I want to know as I will buy a copy based on it have Subs vs. Dubs.

[dillingeR]

YES! :D

I never thought this would ever release in the west. Great to see it is.

[Lorinosan]

WHOO HOOOOOO! THIS is the game I was waiting for as I love this series! Screw everything else this year! :D April 28th is perfect because there is nothing else for me that week. I am in extreme utmost euphoria!

THANK YOU ATLUS!!

[Killrig]

The announcement email cracked me up.

"...keeping you abreast of new..."
"...this is one stacked action RPG..."
"...Juggling your opponent in the air..."
"...This is a fully-developed, well-rounded adventure..."
"...and busty princesses-as they delve deep..."
"...you may just get lower back pain from the effort..."
"...one sci-fi action RPG sure to stick out this spring."

Very cute.

-- Killrig

[Chewbaccaguy]

Somehow, I was sure that Atlus would pick up this game XD
Can't wait for a release, YAY for KOS-MOS guest character :D

The announcement email cracked me up.

"...keeping you abreast of new..."
"...this is one stacked action RPG..."
"...Juggling your opponent in the air..."
"...This is a fully-developed, well-rounded adventure..."
"...and busty princesses-as they delve deep..."
"...you may just get lower back pain from the effort..."
"...one sci-fi action RPG sure to stick out this spring."

Very cute.

-- Killrig

I also lol'd at the email

[Rasen]

I've already beaten this game, but I will happily buy another copy if it will encourage Atlus to bring over Original Generations and OG: Gaiden.

[Jinkies]

I'm a sucker for the cameo characters, so I must have this!

[MoogleGunner]

Day 1 here, no question. Plus, who knows, maybe they'll release OGs/OGG? (I, for one, can't wait for the rumors to start up after this and inevitably be disapointed when it doesn't happen)

[ShadowRaskolnik]

All that's left is hopefully the official announcements of Knights in the Nightmare and Devil Survivor.

[Sanctine]

This is awesome. Definitely pre-ordering. I may even buy a new DS.

[Pibbman]

How "much" of an Action RPG is this? As someone who isn't a big fan of them (except Devil summoner), and prefer turn-based will i like this?

[sdragon21]

YES!!!!
I can now finally add this game alongside OG 1&2 to my SRT Collection.
But wait a minute, where's the offical trailer for this game??? Did Atlus forget to add one???

[Sei]

I'm sure I didn't really have to say so, but DAY ONE!

PS2 PLZ!!11!! :)

[TheMagicHat]

Aram sure knows how to lay it on thick, don't he? :P There was more than enough innuendo in that e-mail.

Not the SRW:OG I was hoping for, but not the least bit disappointing, either. The Faithful e-mail alone made it worth the time to read.

Day 1!

[Pibbman]

Aram sure knows how to lay it on thick, don't he? :P There was more than enough innuendo in that e-mail.

Not the SRW:OG I was hoping for, but not the least bit disappointing, either. The Faithful e-mail alone made it worth the time to read.

Day 1!

Atlus Faithful newsletter leaves that feeling like you got a personal letter in the mail, like a friend that lives hundreds of miles away sending you a letter out of the blue.

Usually I always opt out of newsletter because I find them completely useless, but this is the one newsletter I don't find useless.

[Pibbman]

The missing busty action video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N3LbfzRcZQ

[Hamel]

Still wish you guys would have brought over a SRT with Gaogaigar

[NuclearConvoy]

Holy Crap, Atlus, I am IN LOVE with you!
Now, has any site got this up for preorder yet?
Oh, I've so been looking forward to this game (and I was about to cave and buy an imported version and just live with not understanding the plot...but, damn, now my day is MADE!)!

[Rasen]

Still wish you guys would have brought over a SRT with Gaogaigar

Yes, but unlike wishes for OGs and OG:G, THAT one is impossible.

[Rasen]

How "much" of an Action RPG is this? As someone who isn't a big fan of them (except Devil summoner), and prefer turn-based will i like this?

It's not really an action RPG. It's closer to Xenogears in terms of execution.

[Bolinoak]

Wow, and I thought I lost faith in Atlus. Well wait to go guys, not only have you restored my faith in you, but my faith in humanity... Don't ask why.

[Enzeru]

Pretty surprising, huh? Hey, why don't you look more surprised by this announcement?

Lol Atlus. Best e-mail evar.

[jeffx]

Day one.

[Luna]

You guys are killing me with the games being released so quickly >.<


How lame, amazon doesn't have a pre-order yet!

[dragonlife29]

This will be my first game in the series.

KOS-MOS is a guest character!? :D I freakin' love her! PLEEEEEASE let it be the one and only KOS-MOS--Bridget Hoffman.

This was developed by Monolithsoft, right? I love them, too!

[Juanblue85]

OMG awesome I'm so getting this. That's two down from the Amazon.ca leak list. Keep em coming Atlus.

[Sseklebeast]

Thank you Atlus! Definitely Day One for me!

[Hamel]

Still wish you guys would have brought over a SRT with Gaogaigar

Yes, but unlike wishes for OGs and OG:G, THAT one is impossible.

Let me dream ]:

[byrc]

This is not a game the should dub, honestly.....don't freak'n dare Atlus, oh I forgot you ain't NISA, you dub everything...or take out the voices if you can't afford to dub.

If you can't keep the jp voices then at least keep the voices.

GOD DAMN, PLEASE I BEG YOU GUYS, KEEP IT IN JAPANESE :(

[Divals]

The only SRT game I have is Original Generation 2, because I found it cheap at a used game store. I haven't even played it yet, I just bought it because it said 'Atlus,' same as that weird Samurai Western game...

But I'll almost definitely buy this game. Damn you Atlus, you're taking all of my game funds for '09 and I will never be able to play Killzone 2 or FEAR 2! :p

[jeffx]

@byrc: First you insult them, then you beg them. Get a hold of yourself, man!

[Juanblue85]

@ Byrc: Sir you need to relax. You are embarrassing yourself so please act gentlemanly to the Atlus Gods.

[byrc]

Didn't mean to insult, they just aren't like NISA who are too cheap to do decent dubs, hence the necessity to stick with dual language option because no one in their right minds could stand listening to NISA english dubs for more than 30 minutes.

I"m just saying, Atlus doesn't do dual language, and I understand its out of the question with the DS (due to cart mem size restriction). Atlus has so far shown prudence by allowing dual language option in all their psp releases (big kudos to you guys).

The thing is after teh horrible dubbing done on Summon Night Twin Age, I don't want the same thing to be repeated on this game.

Thank for you for releasing Endless Frontier, please let it be in japanese.

[byrc]

oh one more thing can't I actually make an opinion that isn't constantly stroking Atlus ego. I find that more embarrassing. I think good criticism is better than just worshipping them.

[Juanblue85]

Didn't mean to insult, they just aren't like NISA who are too cheap to do decent dubs, hence the necessity to stick with dual language option because no one in their right minds could stand listening to NISA english dubs for more than 30 minutes.

I"m just saying, Atlus doesn't do dual language, and I understand its out of the question with the DS (due to cart mem size restriction). Atlus has so far shown prudence by allowing dual language option in all their psp releases (big kudos to you guys).

The thing is after teh horrible dubbing done on Summon Night Twin Age, I don't want the same thing to be repeated on this game.

Thank for you for releasing Endless Frontier, please let it be in japanese.

You see that's the problem stop comparing Atlus with NISA.

[byrc]

BTW one more thing, (taking off the troll mask), is that right, we can hookup my gba SRT OG1 and OG2 carts to get special items? I hope I get extra bonuses because I have both (and in the original boxes w/instruction manuals too :D). Damn that makes my day.

Thank goodness I decided to keep my old ds lite when i purchased my new DSi (which has no gba slot btw).

[byrc]

Why shouldn't I compare Atlus with NISA, they're both niche rpg publishers. They're pigs who eat from the same slum bucket (the slum bucket representing us Loser gamers who get funny feelings down there when seeing half-dressed anime chicks beating the #### out of robots).

[Juanblue85]

Why shouldn't I compare Atlus with NISA, they're both niche rpg publishers. They're pigs who eat from the same slum bucket (the slum bucket representing us Loser gamers who get funny feelings down there when seeing half-dressed anime chicks beating the #### out of robots).

Yeesh you sure have some standards on what you want in games.

[Divals]

Didn't mean to insult, they just aren't like NISA who are too cheap to do decent dubs, hence the necessity to stick with dual language option because no one in their right minds could stand listening to NISA english dubs for more than 30 minutes.

I guess I'm insane then. I find the dub for Disgaea 3 to be quite good. I haven't encountered any voiced characters that make me cringe yet, which is unusual for a dubbed JRPG... though the last dubbed JRPG I played a lot of was Xenosaga episode 1.

[byrc]

Damn dude, you take this stuff seriously don't you.

Of course I have standards, however we all like some cheese and goofy games once in while. If you didn't why are you posting on this thread. This game is far from Triple A Quality. Ask anyone whose played the import, its not that great, but it has a hilarious story, and combat keeps you interested (not for that long though).

Unlike some people here I don't confuse the actual good games, with the games i like because anime characters in it and story is hilarious.

I have a friend whose super serious about his games, he won't touch NISA games with an infinity pole and the only Atlus game he'll play is from the SMT franchise. He doesn't like goofy anime character with big boobs ruining his games. You don't seem like the type, so I don't think you should make such comments.

[Pibbman]

I see Amazon got the pre-order up, and it's cheaper than MSRP.

[cj iwakura]

This looks like it uses Namco X Capcom's battle system.

Day 0 if so.

[Juanblue85]

Damn dude, you take this stuff seriously don't you.

Of course I have standards, however we all like some cheese and goofy games once in while. If you didn't why are you posting on this thread. This game is far from Triple A Quality. Ask anyone whose played the import, its not that great, but it has a hilarious story, and combat keeps you interested (not for that long though).

Unlike some people here I don't confuse the actual good games, with the games i like because anime characters in it and story is hilarious.

I have a friend whose super serious about his games, he won't touch NISA games with an infinity pole and the only Atlus game he'll play is from the SMT franchise. He doesn't like goofy anime character with big boobs ruining his games. You don't seem like the type, so I don't think you should make such comments.

umm dude I'm not being serious and how should I know if the game is AAA or not this is my first time even playing a SRT game and who cares if it has boobs or not I'm going to play it for what it was meant to be being a fun game. I'll be quite now.

[jeffx]

So did amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/Super-Robot-Taisen-OG-Saga/dp/B001QTW2IM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1233802723&sr=8-4) and it's 30$ CND instead of 35$ USD. NICE!

[byrc]

Really?

Well I like pre-ordering my games at gamestop; 1) its because its the one i use to work for during my college years 2)Gives small pubs like Atlus more shelf space, they need all the help they can get.

[Pibbman]

So did amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/Super-Robot-Taisen-OG-Saga/dp/B001QTW2IM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1233802723&sr=8-4) and it's 30$ CND instead of 35$ USD. NICE!

It could be an error, I wonder in such an event that will amazon charge those who pre-ordered at the cheaper price more?

[jeffx]

So did amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/Super-Robot-Taisen-OG-Saga/dp/B001QTW2IM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1233802723&sr=8-4) and it's 30$ CND instead of 35$ USD. NICE!

It could be an error, I wonder in such an event that will amazon charge those who pre-ordered at the cheaper price more?

amazon has a "lowest-price" policy

[Rasen]

Didn't mean to insult, they just aren't like NISA who are too cheap to do decent dubs, hence the necessity to stick with dual language option because no one in their right minds could stand listening to NISA english dubs for more than 30 minutes.

I"m just saying, Atlus doesn't do dual language, and I understand its out of the question with the DS (due to cart mem size restriction). Atlus has so far shown prudence by allowing dual language option in all their psp releases (big kudos to you guys).

The thing is after teh horrible dubbing done on Summon Night Twin Age, I don't want the same thing to be repeated on this game.

Thank for you for releasing Endless Frontier, please let it be in japanese.

Generally, it's just good sense to dub something into the language of the country you're importing a game into, ESPECIALLY if there are size restrictions. And like you said, Atlus has done dual-language. They did it with Odin Sphere as well, I recall. The problem comes when there's a BUTT-LOAD of talking (Persona, I'm looking at you), in which case they go mono-language.

[Birdpoopman]

Another day one buy for me. Thanks Atlus!

[Sseklebeast]

Yggdra Union for PSP has dual language options...just saying!

[The Fiz]

This will be my first game in the series.

KOS-MOS is a guest character!? :D I freakin' love her! PLEEEEEASE let it be the one and only KOS-MOS--Bridget Hoffman.

This was developed by Monolithsoft, right? I love them, too!

Yes, yes, for the love of bob, yes. Definitely needs to be Bridget Hoffman.

In any case, already pre-ordered.

[Pibbman]

All I can say as someone who has never played an SRT game, it better be worth it. The only reason why I preordered this was because I kept hearing about it over and over and over again for the last how many years. It was like a nagging girlfriend that never shuts up, and when it eventually shows up you're like "oh I remember that"

[omfgzergrush]

I registered just to say that I love you for this, Atlus.

[cj iwakura]

There's no way they have the budget to dub all that voice acting, is there?

This has to be in Japanese. If so, I hope they sub everything.


Combat looks like fun to me. Namco X Capcom with giant robots? Sold.

[Juanblue85]

There's no way they have the budget to dub all that voice acting, is there?

This has to be in Japanese. If so, I hope they sub everything.


Combat looks like fun to me. Namco X Capcom with giant robots? Sold.

Yeah it may definitely be a sub since the game comes out in April and we are in February already and this month goes by quickly. I accept the game in any form as long as I can understand what's happening. :)

[Rasen]

There's no way they have the budget to dub all that voice acting, is there?

This has to be in Japanese. If so, I hope they sub everything.


Combat looks like fun to me. Namco X Capcom with giant robots? Sold.

There's not that much voice acting in this game, and there's no point in subs, when you have TEXT BUBBLES. (No animated cutscenes, I'm afraid) Now, having said that, size restrictions on a DS cart means there's going to be limited voice acting anyway, so don't get your hopes up for .jp voices.

[Pibbman]

There's no way they have the budget to dub all that voice acting, is there?

This has to be in Japanese. If so, I hope they sub everything.


Combat looks like fun to me. Namco X Capcom with giant robots? Sold.

Yeah it may definitely be a sub since the game comes out in April and we are in February already and this month goes by quickly. I accept the game in any form as long as I can understand what's happening. :)

You won't understand what is happening anyways with all that bouncing action going on.

[Rasen]

You won't understand what is happening anyways with all that bouncing action going on.

I'm just curious to see how they handle Harken. He flirts all day long.

[rainking187]

I see Amazon got the pre-order up, and it's cheaper than MSRP.



Amazon.com or Amazon.ca? I searched on Amazon.com and went through their DS preorder list and couldn't find it. Link?

[Juanblue85]

There's no way they have the budget to dub all that voice acting, is there?

This has to be in Japanese. If so, I hope they sub everything.


Combat looks like fun to me. Namco X Capcom with giant robots? Sold.

Yeah it may definitely be a sub since the game comes out in April and we are in February already and this month goes by quickly. I accept the game in any form as long as I can understand what's happening. :)

You won't understand what is happening anyways with all that bouncing action going on.

Sorry Pibbman I'm playing the game for th fun of it not to see boob bouncing action.

[Pibbman]

I see Amazon got the pre-order up, and it's cheaper than MSRP.



Amazon.com or Amazon.ca? I searched on Amazon.com and went through their DS preorder list and couldn't find it. Link?

http://www.amazon.com/Super-Robot-Taisen-Saga-Nintendo-DS/dp/B001QTW2IM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1233802503&sr=1-2

There's no way they have the budget to dub all that voice acting, is there?

This has to be in Japanese. If so, I hope they sub everything.


Combat looks like fun to me. Namco X Capcom with giant robots? Sold.

Yeah it may definitely be a sub since the game comes out in April and we are in February already and this month goes by quickly. I accept the game in any form as long as I can understand what's happening. :)

You won't understand what is happening anyways with all that bouncing action going on.

Sorry Pibbman I'm playing the game for th fun of it not to see boob bouncing action.

...

yeah that was suppose to be a joke.

[Sseklebeast]

Dub, sub, dual .. I don't care what they choose to be honest. I'm just happy that we're getting it localized. :D $$

[cwmaggie09]

I've been meaning to join these forums for a while, but after I read the email for this I knew I had to join up just to say I will have this game pre-ordered at the earliest possible date. I loved the first two OG games and the battle system in this one looks really awesome!

[Juanblue85]

I see Amazon got the pre-order up, and it's cheaper than MSRP.



Amazon.com or Amazon.ca? I searched on Amazon.com and went through their DS preorder list and couldn't find it. Link?

http://www.amazon.com/Super-Robot-Taisen-Saga-Nintendo-DS/dp/B001QTW2IM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1233802503&sr=1-2

There's no way they have the budget to dub all that voice acting, is there?

This has to be in Japanese. If so, I hope they sub everything.


Combat looks like fun to me. Namco X Capcom with giant robots? Sold.

Yeah it may definitely be a sub since the game comes out in April and we are in February already and this month goes by quickly. I accept the game in any form as long as I can understand what's happening. :)

You won't understand what is happening anyways with all that bouncing action going on.

Sorry Pibbman I'm playing the game for th fun of it not to see boob bouncing action.

...

yeah that was suppose to be a joke.
So what I said too. LOL :D

[jeffx]

Juanblue85 and Pibbman sure love quoting gigantic messages when posting one-liners.

[Pibbman]

I see Amazon got the pre-order up, and it's cheaper than MSRP.



Amazon.com or Amazon.ca? I searched on Amazon.com and went through their DS preorder list and couldn't find it. Link?

http://www.amazon.com/Super-Robot-Taisen-Saga-Nintendo-DS/dp/B001QTW2IM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1233802503&sr=1-2

There's no way they have the budget to dub all that voice acting, is there?

This has to be in Japanese. If so, I hope they sub everything.


Combat looks like fun to me. Namco X Capcom with giant robots? Sold.

Yeah it may definitely be a sub since the game comes out in April and we are in February already and this month goes by quickly. I accept the game in any form as long as I can understand what's happening. :)

You won't understand what is happening anyways with all that bouncing action going on.

Sorry Pibbman I'm playing the game for th fun of it not to see boob bouncing action.

...

yeah that was suppose to be a joke.
So what I said too. LOL :D

Oh I suppose it is, lol I wasn't reading it in that sense. You'll have to excuse me, I'm usually in bed by now haha.

[Sseklebeast]

Juanblue85 and Pibbman sure love quoting gigantic messages when posting one-liners.

Funny isn't it? o; I think so anyway.

[cwmaggie09]

Thanks JuanBlue85 for the amazon link! I just preordered it!

[Pibbman]

Game's theme song, which will be on the soundtrack from what I hear. "Butterfly" by Perfume.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LRdEDGt55I&translated=1

[mainpatr1]

Is the combat in this game real-time, or like Valkyrie Profile??? Some of the Youtube videos for this game look fun though.

[Bolinoak]

Day one and we have a dub vs sub fight? Come on guys it's not that big of deal. If it's sub (Well that would technically just be a text game with Japanese voices) it will not be that big of a deal to anime fans who are accustom to it. If it's dub, well I really don't know when everyone became such good judges of what is and what is not good voice acting so I don't see all this bad VA work apparently floating about... I'm just saying that most if not all VA work pretty dang good now a days. Well at least if you have a good dubbing company that uses voice actors that main source of income comes form VAing games and anime, then you get a good dub.

On a side note, I've met few people who work in the anime industry at a convention (Head of ADV Matt Greenfueld, and his wife Tiffany Grant the voice of Asuka from Eva... Weird talking to her and think of a 14 year old German girl. I also met Jan Scott-Frazier, one of the first Americans to work in anime.) and it was generally accepted between them that a game or a anime will not be sold without a dub in America. It's because the product needs to appeal outside the current audience of anime fans and gamers, it needs to pull in new fans and a product with a dub can not do that well at all.

[Zeta_Nova]

Cool beans yo!

[Kaos]

There was a ridiculous amount of innuendo in the Faithful email.

Also, this at the end:

Pretty surprising, huh? Hey, why don't you look more surprised by this announcement?

Poking fun at the leak, I see.

[toszi]

-I just went out and half-finished paying for it!
Now, I'm just hoping that we'll get some way of play-able bosses that weren't play-able in the game! Especially the witch and Koma! XD


-"Cool beans yo!"

lol, Beat.

[Zeta_Nova]

lol Well hey, he's my fav character of TWEWY ^^.

That aside though. I've been wanting to play a SRT in the U.S, but with the now defunct GBA. This' indeed cool news.

Anyways. With the introduction of Reiji and Arisu. Hopefully that we may get to try NXC, seeing as these two originally originated from these games.

[thalastwon]

Ive been on the Atlus Faithful list for a while, and registered just to say that I've been waiting for this game since I'd seen videos of the japanese version years ago. Congrats on finally bringing it to us! I hope all that time you spent before announcing you had it was spent on making a stellar dub for America. For those of us that don't understand moonspeak, I thank you!

Pre-ordered and paid for, for the game that is coming out on my birthday! It's like an epic birthday present that I cant wait for! ^_^

[Kakizaki]

I've been waiting for this game since I'd seen videos of the japanese version years ago.

Years ago? Didn't this come out in Japan in mid 2008? ;)

[AdrianMorales]

Happy, happy, joy, joy

[Saburo Hikari]

This looks like it uses Namco X Capcom's battle system.

Day 0 if so.Same here. I have Namco x Capcom, but I can't play it. The battle system seems like real fun, so I'll definately pre-order this.

Damn Atlus, you are Gods. I had a small list of games I was planning on getting for 2009 until SMT: Devil Summoner and this came along!

[jj984jj]

Wrong OG Atlus, and anybody that's seen me post on here knows I love DS games.

[chaossoldier]

Wrong OG Atlus, and anybody that's seen me post on here knows I love DS games.

I've come under the impression that OGs and OG Gaiden have yet to be brought over due to Bandai Entertainment (Well...used to be Bandai Visual's grab along with the movie, but they got subsidized into Bandai Ent) licensing the Divine War series and movie for stateside release, thus turning the regular OGs games into a series that needs to be licensed.

That's just my guess though. Could be any number of issues.

That being said, I'm still happy for the announcement of this. The preview video way back when had me interested from the start

http://file.walagata.com/w/codenamechaz/mechalove.png

[Rasen]

lol Well hey, he's my fav character of TWEWY ^^.

That aside though. I've been wanting to play a SRT in the U.S, but with the now defunct GBA. This' indeed cool news.

Anyways. With the introduction of Reiji and Arisu. Hopefully that we may get to try NXC, seeing as these two originally originated from these games.

That would be nice, but unfortunately unlikely. America is the land of non-cooperation. Heck, Bandai couldn't even get the U.S. branch of Pizza Hut to let them keep the ads in Code Geass.

[Rampage Ghost]

I have to get this game.

[Olethros]

OK. For the record, I'm happy that all you SRT freaks are getting a bone tossed to you. Atlus is indeed more benevolent than I would have been.

That said, I wouldn't pay one cent for this rubbish. A strategy RPG with a fighting engine? No thank you.

Also, for the love of god please stop this stupid sub/dub debate argument. I'm getting tired of listening to this crap. Atlus will do the best they can with it. Be thankful that you're getting it at all and shut the hell up.

[Zeta_Nova]

Um...couldn't put it any better. Though, I respect your opinion of not wanting to get Endless Frontier.

I'm hoping though that you won't be like this towards future games, like; Final Fantasy XIII, Star Ocean: The Last Hope + ATLUS' own; Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor and it's many other upcoming game leak announcements.

For one thing, this game isn't "trash" or "garbage". Because many other fans in Youtube and on this board beg to differ.

[hikarushirou]

ilusomuchatlus. ; O; I've been waiting for SOMEONE to license this in the U.S. Omgh this game is so fun. Now I can finally know what the story is. |D

There's no way they have the budget to dub all that voice acting, is there?

This has to be in Japanese. If so, I hope they sub everything.


Combat looks like fun to me. Namco X Capcom with giant robots? Sold. There's not that much voice acting in this game, and there's no point in subs, when you have TEXT BUBBLES. (No animated cutscenes, I'm afraid) Now, having said that, size restrictions on a DS cart means there's going to be limited voice acting anyway, so don't get your hopes up for .jp voices. Well... aside from the "hu!" "ha!" and "ta!"s they say things for their special moves. I guess that's what people are hoping to have subs for? I've got the Japanese version and I definitely would prefer Japanese for KOS-MOS and Suzuka-hime but meh... DS limitations and ATLUS are looking to prevent that. *shrug* If KOS-MOS is Bridget then I mostly won't care since I use her in my party ALL the time once attaining her. XD Having said that, I don't terribly MIND ATLUS's dubs, sometimes they're a little wonky though when it comes to saying Japanese names properly. *coughpersonacough* But what can you do.

[hikarushirou]

Bah, double posted. My bad. Thought someone maybe said something after my post. Where's the delete button!?

[Olethros]

Um...couldn't put it any better. Though, I respect your opinion of not wanting to get Endless Frontier.

I'm hoping though that you won't be like this towards future games, like; Final Fantasy XIII, Star Ocean: The Last Hope + ATLUS' own; Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor and it's many other upcoming game leak announcements.

For one thing, this game isn't "trash" or "garbage". Because many other fans in Youtube and on this board beg to differ.

Nope, I'm actually looking forward to FFXIII and Star Ocean. Also, both Devil Survivor and Devil Summoner. I probably would have even given SRT another shot if it retained its SRPG roots. Hell, I can't even begin to tell you how excited I am for The Dark Spire!

The "trash" comment is my own personal opinion. People are welcome to think differently on the matter (and I fully expect they will).

[Rasen]

OK. For the record, I'm happy that all you SRT freaks are getting a bone tossed to you. Atlus is indeed more benevolent than I would have been.

That said, I wouldn't pay one cent for this rubbish. A strategy RPG with a fighting engine? No thank you.

Also, for the love of god please stop this stupid sub/dub debate argument. I'm getting tired of listening to this crap. Atlus will do the best they can with it. Be thankful that you're getting it at all and shut the hell up.

So civil.

I can see why you would think this is strategy RPG, since you clearly hate all things SRT and thus would not pay attention to things like details.

However, this is closer to a traditional RPG with a Valkyrie Profile-like battle system and an overworld like...Breath of Fire.

[Rasen]

Well... aside from the "hu!" "ha!" and "ta!"s they say things for their special moves. I guess that's what people are hoping to have subs for? I've got the Japanese version and I definitely would prefer Japanese for KOS-MOS and Suzuka-hime but meh... DS limitations and ATLUS are looking to prevent that. *shrug* If KOS-MOS is Bridget then I mostly won't care since I use her in my party ALL the time once attaining her. XD Having said that, I don't terribly MIND ATLUS's dubs, sometimes they're a little wonky though when it comes to saying Japanese names properly. *coughpersonacough* But what can you do.

Subs in the middle of a battle would be the among the most un-read things ever, second only to game manuals.

Also, it would probably be an unnecessary hassle to code.

[Inzaghi]

That said, I wouldn't pay one cent for this rubbish. A strategy RPG with a fighting engine? No thank you.

Minor point: This isn't a strategy RPG. The battles do have that fighting game-esque quality you mentioned, but the rest of the game is a standard "explore dungeons, talk to people" overhead RPG.

[Pibbman]

That said, I wouldn't pay one cent for this rubbish. A strategy RPG with a fighting engine? No thank you.

Minor point: This isn't a strategy RPG. The battles do have that fighting game-esque quality you mentioned, but the rest of the game is a standard "explore dungeons, talk to people" overhead RPG.

Other than the fact that the game style draws my attention, I have to admit that I don't think I've played a game with this type of gameplay style before, so it's definitely what is drawing me into it.

Personally I'd rather see the other ones because they are SRPGs, but I know the odds of those coming are close to none. Anyone have an estimate on how long of a game this is?

[Olethros]

That said, I wouldn't pay one cent for this rubbish. A strategy RPG with a fighting engine? No thank you.

Minor point: This isn't a strategy RPG. The battles do have that fighting game-esque quality you mentioned, but the rest of the game is a standard "explore dungeons, talk to people" overhead RPG.

Interesting. I may have been a bit rash in writing this off, then. Maybe.

Is the battle system highly dependant on timing and/or button-mashing?

[Rasen]

That said, I wouldn't pay one cent for this rubbish. A strategy RPG with a fighting engine? No thank you.

Minor point: This isn't a strategy RPG. The battles do have that fighting game-esque quality you mentioned, but the rest of the game is a standard "explore dungeons, talk to people" overhead RPG.

Interesting. I may have been a bit rash in writing this off, then. Maybe.

Is the battle system highly dependant on timing and/or button-mashing?

Timing. Each character's attacks take a certain amount of time or do a specific number of blows, so you try to chain them together to break enemies' guard and then juggle them. If you mash, you just waste attacks and may miss entirely, allowing the enemy to recover and block again.

[Pibbman]

That said, I wouldn't pay one cent for this rubbish. A strategy RPG with a fighting engine? No thank you.

Minor point: This isn't a strategy RPG. The battles do have that fighting game-esque quality you mentioned, but the rest of the game is a standard "explore dungeons, talk to people" overhead RPG.

Interesting. I may have been a bit rash in writing this off, then. Maybe.

Is the battle system highly dependant on timing and/or button-mashing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMBGyPt31_A&feature=PlayList&p=AF80BF86E8629B68&playnext=1&index=1

Supposedly a boss battle from the game, but the only thing I can take of it is that you have your standard placement of characters at the start of the battle, then you get a certain time limit to do your moves. It might be possible that by pulling combos you also extend your time? Not sure on that part.

The rest is definitely the going around to talking people, finding items, the whole standard stuff. The battles look to be the only thing that separates this from the rest.

I'm not a fighter fan at all myself, but I have to admit this looks fun. I read somewhere else that you can pull off some really crazy long combos and whatnot. The enemy appear to have a lot of HP too, so it's not like you'll be easily winning them either.

In any case, take what I said with a pinch of salt, as these are only observations. I'm willing to give anything a try at least once.

[Brooklyn Luckfield]

Game's theme song, which will be on the soundtrack from what I hear. "Butterfly" by Perfume.

I read this somewhere else on the 'nets and wanted to clear it up. "Butterfly" was used for Endless Frontier's TV commercials and preview video. It's not actually in the game, and not on the bonus soundtrack CD. If you look at yesterday's Atlus Faithful e-mail announcement there is a link to a large picture that shows the packaging and you can read the tracks on the back of the CD package


Supposedly a boss battle from the game, but the only thing I can take of it is that you have your standard placement of characters at the start of the battle, then you get a certain time limit to do your moves. It might be possible that by pulling combos you also extend your time? Not sure on that part.

You have a set amount of actions you can take during a turn. It's not timed, you could put the game down and walk away in the middle of a turn. Cancelling a move shortens your turn but fills up your super gauge more quickly. And finishing a battle with a super move nets you an extra 30% experience.

Of course, I would much rather have a traditional SRT game... but this game is pretty fun. If a bit icky.

[Pibbman]

interesting...What do you mean by "icky"?

[Rasen]

Of course, I would much rather have a traditional SRT game... but this game is pretty fun. If a bit icky.

Bouncing jubblies! RUN!

[Pixel]

I also lol'd at the email
Same. The technique applied to write a blurb of such immense scale is seemingly too much for one to grasp, but A.R.A.M. miraculously remains buoyant carrying the burden, perhaps feeling pleasure in it. If he weren't too shy to reveal more to us, you would be awestruck with the ample support he has from the Atlus team. With uplifted spirits, many SRT fans' dreams came true!

[Zeta_Nova]

Yeah, they indeed brought NXC's combat into this game. With that juggling combo system (ala; Multiple Assault). And what would be interesting is to thear great anime voice actors do the english rendition. Makes me think that we'll being like handed a minature version of NXC type gameplay lol.

[Brooklyn Luckfield]

interesting...What do you mean by "icky"?

Like a creepy uncle. Do you know those anime where it's one guy and a bunch of hot chicks fighting for his attention? It's like that. Lots of lewd comments about the women's bewbs, etc. I was pretty content to play the game in Japanese and not understand any of it :P

[Rasen]

Like a creepy uncle. Do you know those anime where it's one guy and a bunch of hot chicks fighting for his attention? It's like that. Lots of lewd comments about the women's bewbs, etc. I was pretty content to play the game in Japanese and not understand any of it :P

That's not icky, or like a creepy uncle. Creepy uncle would be if the girls are six, or Harken's 47. It's the harem dream.

Having said that though, there's really only one girl who's interested in Harken romantically, and Harken's really only interested in one girl. The rest have a more platonic relationship, with Harken's playful (and horribly awkward in English) flirting. Harken acts like a cowboy, totally hamming it up, but it's on purpose.

[Pibbman]

interesting...What do you mean by "icky"?

Like a creepy uncle. Do you know those anime where it's one guy and a bunch of hot chicks fighting for his attention? It's like that. Lots of lewd comments about the women's bewbs, etc. I was pretty content to play the game in Japanese and not understand any of it :P

Ah, as an anime fan I'm used to that. On another note, I kinda wish they had an artbook instead of a soundtrack personally. I like some of the character designs in this game.

[cwmaggie09]

Quick question. I realize that the Mechs in this one seem to have taken a bit of a back seat, but I'm wondering to what extent? Are they merely elements in the story, or do they enter into the gameplay somehow? Also I noticed that in the picture of the game package the Alteisen is red on the box, but blue on the soundtrack CD.



***Super Robot Taisen Original Generation 2 SPOILERS AHEAD:**















I remember Axel talking about a blue Alteisen being in the Shadow Mirror universe in OG2, will we possibly see it appear along with "Beowolf?"

[Rasen]

Yeah, they indeed brought NXC's combat into this game. With that juggling combo system (ala; Multiple Assault). And what would be interesting is to thear great anime voice actors do the english rendition. Makes me think that we'll being like handed a minature version of NXC type gameplay lol.

The difference with NxC, from what little I've played of it though, is that NxC had a SRPG layout, and you weren't fighting in a party, but in pairs. Pretty much what Olethros was afraid of.

[Rasen]

Quick question. I realize that the Mechs in this one seem to have taken a bit of a back seat, but I'm wondering to what extent? Are they merely elements in the story, or do they enter into the gameplay somehow? Also I noticed that in the picture of the game package the Alteisen is red on the box, but blue on the soundtrack CD.

***Super Robot Taisen Original Generation 2 SPOILERS AHEAD:**
I remember Axel talking about a blue Alteisen being in the Shadow Mirror universe in OG2, will we possibly see it appear along with "Beowolf?"

HUGE backseat. They're part of the story, but there are like 5 mechs total in the entire world, and they're only slightly larger than the average human. Also, it's the same Alt-Eisen. It and Weisritter can change colors when they do their really powerful attacks. Gameplay-wise, they can be treated like a randomized extra party member who can't cast techs.

And you will not be seeing Beowulf. Though you are approaching how this game ties in with the rest of OG.

[cwmaggie09]

Quick question. I realize that the Mechs in this one seem to have taken a bit of a back seat, but I'm wondering to what extent? Are they merely elements in the story, or do they enter into the gameplay somehow? Also I noticed that in the picture of the game package the Alteisen is red on the box, but blue on the soundtrack CD.

***Super Robot Taisen Original Generation 2 SPOILERS AHEAD:**
I remember Axel talking about a blue Alteisen being in the Shadow Mirror universe in OG2, will we possibly see it appear along with "Beowolf?"

HUGE backseat. They're part of the story, but there are like 5 mechs total in the entire world, and they're only slightly larger than the average human. Also, it's the same Alt-Eisen. It and Weisritter can change colors when they do their really powerful attacks.

And you will not be seeing Beowulf. Though you are approaching how this game ties in with the rest of OG.
Thanks Rasen! I'm a bit surprised that they're only slightly larger that human size, but it makes sense if they're going to participate in the battle sequences. What other mechs appear besides Alteisen and Weissritter then? Are there any new original mechs or do they also reference the established Original Generation robots?

[Brooklyn Luckfield]

Quick question. I realize that the Mechs in this one seem to have taken a bit of a back seat, but I'm wondering to what extent? Are they merely elements in the story, or do they enter into the gameplay somehow? Also I noticed that in the picture of the game package the Alteisen is red on the box, but blue on the soundtrack CD.

Sharp eye. There are a few mechs beside the Alteisen, but I forget which ones. They are human sized in this game and act as a "striker" (they're not called that, but it made me think of King of Fighters '98 ). During battle you use the A button to attack/combo and at certain times you can press right on the d-pad to switch to the next fighter or left to call your striker to do an attack. The Alteisen in this game is normally blue but can power up and turn red. Once again, Atlus' attention to detail is unmatched: the Japanese release also had a pre-order bonus disc whose cover shared the same image from the game package, but with the Alteisen in blue instead of red.

[Rasen]

Thanks Rasen! I'm a bit surprised that they're only slightly larger that human size, but it makes sense if they're going to participate in the battle sequences. What other mechs appear besides Alteisen and Weissritter then? Are there any new original mechs or do they also reference the established Original Generation robots?

Abend (looks like Weissritter)
Arkgain (looks like Soulgain)
Nacht (looks like Alteisen)
Phantom (looks like Gespenst)

and one original mech

Jyaki-Gun-Ou

[cwmaggie09]

They are human sized in this game and act as a "striker" (they're not called that, but it made me think of King of Fighters '98 ). During battle you use the A button to attack/combo and at certain times you can press right on the d-pad to switch to the next fighter or left to call your striker to do an attack.

Nice! I'm actually glad you used that analogy because my friend and I used to play the living heck out of King of Fighters Evolution on my Dreamcast which used the Striker system liberally. I can't wait for KOF XII to come out!


Abend (looks like Weissritter)
Arkgain (looks like Soulgain)
Nacht (looks like Alteisen)
Phantom (looks like Gespenst)

and one original mech

Jyaki-Gun-Ou

Thanks again! Glad to see the Gespenst and Soulgain making a cameo! I'm curious as to what the Jyaki-Gun-Ou looks like.

Altogether I'm really excited for this game! Thanks for your help everyone!

[Zeta_Nova]

They are human sized in this game and act as a "striker" (they're not called that, but it made me think of King of Fighters '98 ). During battle you use the A button to attack/combo and at certain times you can press right on the d-pad to switch to the next fighter or left to call your striker to do an attack.

Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I was wondering this as well.

[Rasen]

Cool. Glad that the bosses don't have this tactic ^^.

I dunno about this player in this video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOGD7Wy3Uvs&feature=related). But it seems that once the bosses HP has dropped within KO range, he tends to switch to a new person. Kinda weird I guess. Because this leaves the enemy open for quick KO damage on your party.

If it was me, I'd concentrate on one person at a time. Or that I'd use an attack that'd hit all fighters.

Which strategy? Focus on one character? The AI most certainly does have that tactic.

[Shoyu]

Thank you Atlus for bringing this game! I can't wait to play it. :)

[Pibbman]

I'm laughing at all the hate this game is getting over at kotaku.

Quotes from the site.

"They could bring OGs or the phenomenal OGG over and what do the chose?
The bastard of the whole series."

"Can't believe we're getting this tripe instead of any of the proper Super Robot Wars games. I'm a huge SRW fan, and I've not heard a single positive word about this."

"Tig ol bitties. While I'm a fan of most Atlus games, I have to pause at this one. At least in Persona, the breasts aren't so...prominent."

and someone who clearly lived a sheltered life on the internet.

"That character art looks like some 12 year old's masturbatory doodle. Is this what passes for game characters these days?"

Good times....good times. But hey, if anything this is publicity for Atlus. Even after some explain licensing issues and whatnot, they still ignore it.

[Zeta_Nova]

Sorry if I wasn't clear on the "thank goodness that the bosses don't have that tactic". What I meant was that they don't seem to have that tactic where you get have your back fighters assist your front fighters for an all assault.

[Crabman]

I've heard of this series before, but never really looked into it; I read the other thread in this sub forum and understand it a little better now. I'll probably wait for reviews though.

'Cause, you know, I can find the rest of the appeal of the series elsewhere on the internet :)

[TheMagicHat]

Good times....good times. But hey, if anything this is publicity for Atlus. Even after some explain licensing issues and whatnot, they still ignore it.
Of course! No one wants the truth, just a reason to whine, bitch, and moan over once again being denied what they want. :D Gotta love fandom.

That being said, I was also hoping for OG/OGG, but since I own the japanese versions of both of those, I'll settle for this for now.

[Zeta_Nova]

So, with all this game leak stuff and with two game announcements so far (this game and D.J = Dokapon Journey). How long do you guys think this'll hit the gaming magazines (Game Informer, EGM, Nintendo Power etc...)?

[chaossoldier]

So, with all this game leak stuff and with two game announcements so far (this game and D.J = Dokapon Journey). How long do you guys think this'll hit the gaming magazines (Game Informer, EGM, Nintendo Power etc...)?

This will probably get into the April issues, since most magazines are done well in advance of the coming month.


Though...it probably is early enough to make the March issue. Hard to say.

[TheBurningHunter]

SRW is alive in the US! It's nice to see the series getting another chance, even if it is this little side story. I watched a lot of the previews when it was coming out in Japan and the premise is odd but interesting. I'll eagerly be awaiting this to come out, not only to experience some more SRW action, but in hope that we'll see OGs and OGG coming out stateside.

[Zeta_Nova]

I agree. OG shouldn't be hard because it only has one license, and the anime based on this game has already hit the U.S. By way of SRW OG OVA and the main series; OG: Divine Wars. And that it already has received a GBA release.

Also, OG has original mechs and original characters; Ryusei, Aya, Masaki Ando etc... Which's like the extended version of GBA's SRT OG.

[Rasen]

I agree. OG shouldn't be hard because it only has one license, and the anime based on this game has already hit the U.S. By way of SRW OG OVA and the main series; OG: Divine Wars. And that it already has received a GBA release.

Also, OG has original mechs and original characters; Ryusei, Aya, Masaki Ando etc... Which's like the extended version of GBA's SRT OG.

Regrettably, Divine Wars hit the states via Bandai Visual, who charges Japanese prices for Japanese-size DVDs. 3 eps per dvd, $50.

My only concern is that if they brought it over, they'd probably have to dub, and I just don't think there's an American voice actor who can do the "nekketsu shonen" voice required for ALL giant robot shows, with the exception of Yuri Lowenthal, and we really can't expect him to voice everybody.

[Pibbman]

I agree. OG shouldn't be hard because it only has one license, and the anime based on this game has already hit the U.S. By way of SRW OG OVA and the main series; OG: Divine Wars. And that it already has received a GBA release.

Also, OG has original mechs and original characters; Ryusei, Aya, Masaki Ando etc... Which's like the extended version of GBA's SRT OG.

Regrettably, Divine Wars hit the states via Bandai Visual, who charges Japanese prices for Japanese-size DVDs. 3 eps per dvd, $50.

My only concern is that if they brought it over, they'd probably have to dub, and I just don't think there's an American voice actor who can do the "nekketsu shonen" voice required for ALL giant robot shows, with the exception of Yuri Lowenthal, and we really can't expect him to voice everybody.

Have you seen the prices they charge for Blu-rays? Holy crap!

[Juanblue85]

I agree. OG shouldn't be hard because it only has one license, and the anime based on this game has already hit the U.S. By way of SRW OG OVA and the main series; OG: Divine Wars. And that it already has received a GBA release.

Also, OG has original mechs and original characters; Ryusei, Aya, Masaki Ando etc... Which's like the extended version of GBA's SRT OG.

Regrettably, Divine Wars hit the states via Bandai Visual, who charges Japanese prices for Japanese-size DVDs. 3 eps per dvd, $50.

My only concern is that if they brought it over, they'd probably have to dub, and I just don't think there's an American voice actor who can do the "nekketsu shonen" voice required for ALL giant robot shows, with the exception of Yuri Lowenthal, and we really can't expect him to voice everybody.

Have you seen the prices they charge for Blu-rays? Holy crap!

Yep very expensive heck I saw Independence Day for $30 on Blu Ray while the regular DVD is only $7.50 at Wal-Mart which one do you think I went for.

[Pibbman]

I agree. OG shouldn't be hard because it only has one license, and the anime based on this game has already hit the U.S. By way of SRW OG OVA and the main series; OG: Divine Wars. And that it already has received a GBA release.

Also, OG has original mechs and original characters; Ryusei, Aya, Masaki Ando etc... Which's like the extended version of GBA's SRT OG.

Regrettably, Divine Wars hit the states via Bandai Visual, who charges Japanese prices for Japanese-size DVDs. 3 eps per dvd, $50.

My only concern is that if they brought it over, they'd probably have to dub, and I just don't think there's an American voice actor who can do the "nekketsu shonen" voice required for ALL giant robot shows, with the exception of Yuri Lowenthal, and we really can't expect him to voice everybody.

Have you seen the prices they charge for Blu-rays? Holy crap!

Yep very expensive heck I saw Independence Day for $30 on Blu Ray while the regular DVD is only $7.50 at Wal-Mart which one do you think I went for.

Well in the case of Bandai here, they had a Blu-Ray anime for over $100 and there was only 3 episodes. You were basically paying about $1.40 a minute

[Rasen]

Well in the case of Bandai here, they had a Blu-Ray anime for over $100 and there was only 3 episodes. You were basically paying about $1.40 a minute

Specifically, Bandai Visual (which also did Gunbuster), not Bandai Entertainment (which does Gundam).

[TheMagicHat]

My only concern is that if they brought it over, they'd probably have to dub, and I just don't think there's an American voice actor who can do the "nekketsu shonen" voice required for ALL giant robot shows, with the exception of Yuri Lowenthal, and we really can't expect him to voice everybody.
Spike Spencer can do hot-blodded VERY well. Watch Nadesico sometime if you don't believe me. Hell, play Star Ocean 2nd Evolution. His Claude is single-handedly saving that game's dub for me right now.

[Juanblue85]

I agree. OG shouldn't be hard because it only has one license, and the anime based on this game has already hit the U.S. By way of SRW OG OVA and the main series; OG: Divine Wars. And that it already has received a GBA release.

Also, OG has original mechs and original characters; Ryusei, Aya, Masaki Ando etc... Which's like the extended version of GBA's SRT OG.

Regrettably, Divine Wars hit the states via Bandai Visual, who charges Japanese prices for Japanese-size DVDs. 3 eps per dvd, $50.

My only concern is that if they brought it over, they'd probably have to dub, and I just don't think there's an American voice actor who can do the "nekketsu shonen" voice required for ALL giant robot shows, with the exception of Yuri Lowenthal, and we really can't expect him to voice everybody.

Have you seen the prices they charge for Blu-rays? Holy crap!

Yep very expensive heck I saw Independence Day for $30 on Blu Ray while the regular DVD is only $7.50 at Wal-Mart which one do you think I went for.

Well in the case of Bandai here, they had a Blu-Ray anime for over $100 and there was only 3 episodes. You were basically paying about $1.40 a minute

3 episodes for $100 on Blu-ray? I wonder who in there right mind would by that. Thank goodness DVDs will still be around for a long time especially with the economy the way it.

[chaossoldier]

I agree. OG shouldn't be hard because it only has one license, and the anime based on this game has already hit the U.S. By way of SRW OG OVA and the main series; OG: Divine Wars. And that it already has received a GBA release.

Also, OG has original mechs and original characters; Ryusei, Aya, Masaki Ando etc... Which's like the extended version of GBA's SRT OG.

Regrettably, Divine Wars hit the states via Bandai Visual, who charges Japanese prices for Japanese-size DVDs. 3 eps per dvd, $50.

My only concern is that if they brought it over, they'd probably have to dub, and I just don't think there's an American voice actor who can do the "nekketsu shonen" voice required for ALL giant robot shows, with the exception of Yuri Lowenthal, and we really can't expect him to voice everybody.

Have you seen the prices they charge for Blu-rays? Holy crap!

Yep very expensive heck I saw Independence Day for $30 on Blu Ray while the regular DVD is only $7.50 at Wal-Mart which one do you think I went for.

Well in the case of Bandai here, they had a Blu-Ray anime for over $100 and there was only 3 episodes. You were basically paying about $1.40 a minute

3 episodes for $100 on Blu-ray? I wonder who in there right mind would by that. Thank goodness DVDs will still be around for a long time especially with the economy the way it.

Bandai Visual USA, which was subsidized into Bandai Entertainment due to economic trouble last year but is still operating from within Bandai Ent, has been known for it's insanity. All of their Dvds were subtitled only, with almost literal translations most of the time (For example, for Divine Wars, they translated Kurogane as Kulogwane (http://www.bandai-ent.com/h/srw_tv/mecha/mecha.html) among other translation errors). And as mentioned, they're priced and set up just like with Japanese dvds with obscene prices for few episodes.

A few years back actually at a con, they explained it to a mass of angry fans to the extent of "Well, we want to give anime fans the legitimate Japanese experience"

If I remember right when the Divine Wars dvds were first announced, they were somewhere in the area of 30 bucks, and the movie was 60.

Just for the dvd.

Edit: Huh, I was off by 10 bucks, but the point stands.
Long image (http://file.walagata.com/w/codenamechaz/srwdvd.JPG)

[Rasen]

My only concern is that if they brought it over, they'd probably have to dub, and I just don't think there's an American voice actor who can do the "nekketsu shonen" voice required for ALL giant robot shows, with the exception of Yuri Lowenthal, and we really can't expect him to voice everybody.
Spike Spencer can do hot-blodded VERY well. Watch Nadesico sometime if you don't believe me. Hell, play Star Ocean 2nd Evolution. His Claude is single-handedly saving that game's dub for me right now.

Did he do the original dub for the ps1? Because that Claude was not good. (To be fair, no on e was good.)

[Rasen]

Bandai Visual USA, which was subsidized into Bandai Entertainment due to economic trouble last year but is still operating from within Bandai Ent, has been known for it's insanity. All of their Dvds were subtitled only, with almost literal translations most of the time (For example, for Divine Wars, they translated Kurogane as Kulogwane (http://www.bandai-ent.com/h/srw_tv/mecha/mecha.html) among other translation errors). And as mentioned, they're priced and set up just like with Japanese dvds with obscene prices for few episodes.

In fairness to Bandai Visual on that translation snafu, Kulogwane was the text used in the original Japanese anime. When they show mech or ship names in the anime on a computer screen or whatever, they did it in Engrish. And the Engrish was bad.

Hopefully after being subsidized, they'll release a box set of Divine Wars at a reasonable price.

[chaossoldier]

Bandai Visual USA, which was subsidized into Bandai Entertainment due to economic trouble last year but is still operating from within Bandai Ent, has been known for it's insanity. All of their Dvds were subtitled only, with almost literal translations most of the time (For example, for Divine Wars, they translated Kurogane as Kulogwane (http://www.bandai-ent.com/h/srw_tv/mecha/mecha.html) among other translation errors). And as mentioned, they're priced and set up just like with Japanese dvds with obscene prices for few episodes.

In fairness to Bandai Visual on that translation snafu, Kulogwane was the text used in the original Japanese anime. When they show mech or ship names in the anime on a computer screen or whatever, they did it in Engrish. And the Engrish was bad.

I don't know. Atlus got it right in their translation of the GBA games nearly a year before Bandai Visual even grabbed the license, so they have no excuse in my opinion.

Then again, I'm a bit bitter towards them for just how they think they can get away with this kind of crap with dvd releases..

[Rasen]

I don't know. Atlus got it right in their translation of the GBA games nearly a year before Bandai Visual even grabbed the license, so they have no excuse in my opinion.

Then again, I'm a bit bitter towards them for just how they think they can get away with this kind of crap with dvd releases..

Don't get me wrong, I think Kurogane makes sense and is WORLDS better. On the other hand, I speak/read Japanese, so Kurogane actually has a meaning to me, whereas Kulogwane sounds like some tribal African village. For anyone else though...

I'm just saying that Divine Wars was produced at least in part by Bandai, and Bandai owns both Banpresto and Bandai Visual. So when the original Japanese animation uses the words Kulogwane both in the anime and in the little intermission screens when they show the stats of mechs/ships, I'm not inclined to blame the company that brought it on over to the states for the admittedly "what the hell is this" spelling of names.

[Pibbman]

I see Amazon fixed the price, looks like I got in early enough to get it at 29.99 rather than 34.99 :D

[Juanblue85]

I see Amazon fixed the price, looks like I got in early enough to get it at 29.99 rather than 34.99 :D

No fair I'm going to get charged 34.99. Ohh well its ok. :(

[Olethros]

No price is too much for an Atlus game. C'mon people, this is ATLUS!!!
Show some love. I love you ALLLLL!!!!!! :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

[Pibbman]

No price is too much for an Atlus game. C'mon people, this is ATLUS!!!
Show some love. I love you ALLLLL!!!!!! :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

Sure getting into the spirit of Valentines day early aren't you! :D

[Juanblue85]

No price is too much for an Atlus game. C'mon people, this is ATLUS!!!
Show some love. I love you ALLLLL!!!!!! :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

Lol you sure give a lot of love but what the heck love thy neighbor.

[Olethros]

That's the spirit guys!!!! I LOVE you all SOOOOOOOOOO much!!!!!!!:grouphug:

[TheMagicHat]

My only concern is that if they brought it over, they'd probably have to dub, and I just don't think there's an American voice actor who can do the "nekketsu shonen" voice required for ALL giant robot shows, with the exception of Yuri Lowenthal, and we really can't expect him to voice everybody.
Spike Spencer can do hot-blodded VERY well. Watch Nadesico sometime if you don't believe me. Hell, play Star Ocean 2nd Evolution. His Claude is single-handedly saving that game's dub for me right now.

Did he do the original dub for the ps1? Because that Claude was not good. (To be fair, no on e was good.)
No, he didn't. Anyone with a good set of ears can tell the difference right away.

My point with that, though, was that there are more than enough VAs in NA that can do the different character types in both game quite well, given good proper direction.

But that's neither here nor there at the moment.

[Rasen]

No, he didn't. Anyone with a good set of ears can tell the difference right away.

My point with that, though, was that there are more than enough VAs in NA that can do the different character types in both game quite well, given good proper direction.

But that's neither here nor there at the moment.

Anyone with a good set of ears and a PSP.

Though if his Claude is "single-handedly" saving the game fore you, that doesn't speak well for the rest of VAs in the game, and subsequently the rest of the VAs in NA.

And for a game like SRW with its gargantuan cast....

[TheMagicHat]

No, he didn't. Anyone with a good set of ears can tell the difference right away.

My point with that, though, was that there are more than enough VAs in NA that can do the different character types in both game quite well, given good proper direction.

But that's neither here nor there at the moment.

Anyone with a good set of ears and a PSP.

Though if his Claude is "single-handedly" saving the game fore you, that doesn't speak well for the rest of VAs in the game, and subsequently the rest of the VAs in NA.

And for a game like SRW with its gargantuan cast....
True. To be honest, I'd have less issues about SO2 if the voice acting wasn't EVERYWHERE. The characters are a lot more tolerable in-battle than in cutscenes. That's what I mean by that. Then again, I'm not that far into the game yet so I don't know how other characters have fared compared to the PS1 version.

Seeing as the majority of the voices are in-battle for SRW, I still have hope.

[Zeta_Nova]

Well, won't take long to string up a credible cast. Since the acting is only in the battle scenes.

Like when characters attack and you see their skills pop up. Like with Haken's Jackpot. Or they get hit etc... Atleast though that none of that garbage acting from Chaos Wars will be coming back anytime soon.

[TheMagicHat]

Just watched a bunch of videos on this (gotta love YouTube). The battles look insane, the fanservice is just over the bloody top, and the music is just awesome (remixed robot/pilot themes FTW!).

I'm not really expecting much from the plot, but this game just looks like fun.

[Nilix]

What are the chances of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann making a dramatic entrance via drilling holes through time and space?

[Rasen]

What are the chances of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann making a dramatic entrance via drilling holes through time and space?

In THIS game? Less than zero.

[Zeta_Nova]

And I like this system. Because in the main series you're like worrying if you have to defeat a certain enemy within XX of turns. Or complete that particular stage within a number of turns (ala making it to the exit).

[Nilix]

What are the chances of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann making a dramatic entrance via drilling holes through time and space?

In THIS game? Less than zero.

We'll just have to FLUCTUATE THE PERCENTAGES!

[Rampage Ghost]

What's with the battle system? Why are mechs and people battling together? o___O

[Rasen]

What's with the battle system? Why are mechs and people battling together? o___O

Because the mechs are only slightly larger than people.

[Rampage Ghost]

What's with the battle system? Why are mechs and people battling together? o___O

Because the mechs are only slightly larger than people.

o_o; So its like armor now instead of actual giant robots?

[Rasen]

o_o; So its like armor now instead of actual giant robots?

Except they're autonomous. So, no people inside either.

[rpgram]

Definitely day one. And, also, dumb enough to hope that the ps2 og games might be just a little bit closer because of it.

[Zeta_Nova]

Perhaps. We'll just have wait and see

[Hellfire99X]

Holy crap! I'd already given up hope on seeing any more stateside SRT titles and stopped checking back. (The forum trolls weren't helping either.) I'll have to think about this one. ;)

[Zeta_Nova]

^^; I guess there's one happy customer lol.

[Damien]

Hrmm, I’m a little concerned over this title. I would really love to get this (even though I still don’t have a DS X_X) but for some reason it seems a little…too good to be true. For starters the game doesn’t seem like something I’d see as a US DS game, it looks to me like a US ver would be rated M, however it’s rated T on the temporary box cover (I checked ESRB and it not listed at all) Could the localization actually censor the game to make it a bit more marketable? 0-0

I would really prefer the game to be in English instead of Japanese however it would really suck if the game’s actual content would be changed in any way. X_X

I have faith in you Atlus! lol

[Zeta_Nova]

Um, Damien. That IS the final retail copy. Atlus wouldn't change their covers midway, otherwise noted prior to the game's release. Same with their other covers for; Raidou Kuzunoha and SMT: Devil Survivor.

'Sides like you said. You don't have a DS, so I wouldn't really worry about it.

[Rasen]

but for some reason it seems a little…too good to be true. Too good to be true, yet Atlus already officially announced it.

For starters the game doesn’t seem like something I’d see as a US DS game, it looks to me like a US ver would be rated M, however it’s rated T on the temporary box coverCartoon bouncing does not necessitate a M rating. Unless you think King of Fighters is rated M.

I would really prefer the game to be in English instead of Japanese however it would really suck if the game’s actual content would be changed in any way. X_X
Atlus would have a lot of trouble if the game were released Stateside in Japanese.

I have faith in you Atlus! lolFaith, but you question the existence of the game and are afraid they're going to stop the bouncing. Oh, the "lol" is indicative of being ironical. Nevermind.

[Zeta_Nova]

Not to mention that fans would have a hard time understanding what the characters are saying. And I doubt that they'll be including japanese voice options into this game.

As for the cover, I also doubt that it's temporary as well. Because when Atlus got P4, L.A 2, T.BD (Tokyo Beatdown), E.P (Eternal Poison) etc... that these would ultimately be the retail version. It was never changed from the time that the game kept on receiving news updates to it's eventual release.

Well, at least IMO that from the time the game got announced to it's eventual release into stores that I've never seen a change in the cover's design. It's been pretty most intact with the japanese cover design.

[Damien]

but for some reason it seems a little…too good to be true. Too good to be true, yet Atlus already officially announced it.

I have faith in you Atlus! lolFaith, but you question the existence of the game and are afraid they're going to stop the bouncing. Oh, the "lol" is indicative of being ironical. Nevermind.

Dude, I was only referring to the integrity of the game (as in if the game would be identical to the JP release except for the dubs) that’s why I said “too good to be true”. I have no doubt that it will make it stateside lol. Sorry if I made it sound confusing.

Um, Damien. That IS the final retail copy. Atlus wouldn't change their covers midway, otherwise noted prior to the game's release.
As for the cover, I also doubt that it's temporary as well. Because when Atlus got P4, L.A 2, T.BD (Tokyo Beatdown), E.P (Eternal Poison) etc... that these would ultimately be the retail version. It was never changed from the time that the game kept on receiving news updates to it's eventual release.

My bad, I had misread the article on the first page, I kind of thought it was saying that they where only using that one as a promo cover. I was also confused because when I checked ESRB they didn’t have the game listed on any rating (as far as I could tell) yet Atlus had it under T.

Meh, anyways forget I said anything X_X

[TheMagicHat]

Just judging by the press release alone, I don't think we'l have to worry about any "dumbing down" of the fanservice. Only time I've ever seen anything that blatant was when Working Designs was still around.

[Zeta_Nova]

Well, Atlus wouldn't have it any other way ^^.

[Pibbman]

Just judging by the press release alone, I don't think we'l have to worry about any "dumbing down" of the fanservice. Only time I've ever seen anything that blatant was when Working Designs was still around.

A quote from gamesradar (link can be found in other thread)


Which leads us to the jiggle. SRTOGS: Endless Frontier is obsessed with sweater puppies. The characters constantly talk about each others’ huge knockers, and the exquisitely detailed female characters (both robot and non-) prance about the screen with jelly globes a-jigglin’. For some reason, the main fembot companion’s green clothing rips off her body whenever she gets excited; at least we think that’s what was happening when her green cleavage gave way to shiny pink jiggly twins.

I dont think we'll have to worry, it sounds like Atlus will stay faithful to the original.

[TheMagicHat]

"jelly globes a-jiglin'"!?

:lol:

Why am I suddenly thinking of a "12 Days of Christmas" parody?

This is definitely a game that does NOT take itself at all seriously.

[xHaseox]

Are there any other titles in this series that have been localized besides the two on the GBA?

[Onion of Mystery]

Nope.

[Olethros]

^ Will there be? C'mon Onion, you can tell us. We'll keep it secret.

[Onion of Mystery]

I hear that the Endless Frontier game is getting localized. I can't tell you how I know, though.

[Olethros]

Thanks Onion! I KNEW I could count on you. (I'll keep it hush-hush, though).

[Zeta_Nova]

Are there any other titles in this series that have been localized besides the two on the GBA?

I wouldn't count on it either. Because due to the various anime licenses that we still have yet to tackle in order for these series to be given the green light. At the most though, the only possibility of these games ever seeing stateside release is that SRT OG/OGG. Due to it having original fighters/mechs. The only issue we have here though is SCEA.

[StriderTuna]

I've been reading this and I must say a few things.

Main reason why people want subs is the pre and post battle remarks (where many lulz could be had) Not so much in the battles themselves. And frankly a ToV-quality Dub would be asking too much.

And I believe the problem with OGs/OGG is the massive bickering between Sony and Bandai over the dub or sub issue. SCEA has always traditionally forced dubs, and Bandai doesn't want to pay the costs of dubbing it nor endure the fandumb rage that would result from no voice or the most likely sub par dubs.

Still people love to complain about things.... it's that kind of stupidity that hindered Tales of Legendia's sales (that and the fact comapred to even ToS, it seems rather basic especially compared to Abyss and such)

And a reminder of the fact an non-OG SRW is basically impossible to release here due to licensing issues

Still I'm glad it's coming here sub or so-so dub.

[Zeta_Nova]

Sub? I'd say it's practically impossible. Since it never happened in the japanese version. So, don't expect our version also having subs as well.

[Rasen]

I've been reading this and I must say a few things.

Main reason why people want subs is the pre and post battle remarks (where many lulz could be had) Not so much in the battles themselves. And frankly a ToV-quality Dub would be asking too much.

And I believe the problem with OGs/OGG is the massive bickering between Sony and Bandai over the dub or sub issue. SCEA has always traditionally forced dubs, and Bandai doesn't want to pay the costs of dubbing it nor endure the fandumb rage that would result from no voice or the most likely sub par dubs.

Still people love to complain about things.... it's that kind of stupidity that hindered Tales of Legendia's sales (that and the fact comapred to even ToS, it seems rather basic especially compared to Abyss and such)

And a reminder of the fact an non-OG SRW is basically impossible to release here due to licensing issues

Still I'm glad it's coming here sub or so-so dub.

Dub. Since subbing would actually require coding that didn't exist in the original.

[Zeta_Nova]

IMO though, you should learn to stop these "dub hatin' " issues you have. And learn to accept these dubs that come in these games that Atlus does.

2nd of all, like I said before. Just be greatful that we're gettin' another shot at a Banpresto game. It's not very often that we would get these kind of games. At most, it'd be slim that we get these kind of games. Due to licensing issues.

[TheMagicHat]

Fan 1: I want subs.
Fan 2: I want a dub.
Fan 1: I don't like dubs.
Fan 2: I do.
Fan 1: I don't.
Fan 2: I do.
Fan 1: I don't.
Fan 2: I do.
Fan 1: You suck!
Fan 2: You suck more!
Fan 1: No I don't!
Fan 2: Yes you do!
Fan 1: No I don't!
Fan 2: Yes you do!

(repeat ad nauseum until a Mod or Admin bans both fans and locks or tightly regulates thread)

There, I've just paraphrased a sub vs. dub debate. Can we move on?

[StriderTuna]

I'm still going to try to get it either way.... but we'll be lucky if we get a good dub. Luminous arc was nice.... but after hearing the jpn voices for so long; I kinda worry about thigns getting screwed up. Since Tear of TotA's dub failed to nail the dere dere parts, so as a result many folks think she's just tsuntsun.

[TheMagicHat]

I understand where you're coming from. There's a lot of japanese games I've played where I've had to bury that fear when playing the english versions and just enjoy it for what it is. Experience ended up being better as a result, but it still nags from time to time.

Of course nothing can save a bad dub, but I'm learning (again) to have faith in Atlus.

And now for something different: Been watching gameplay vids of this and ghod they look insane! That's going to take some time to master.

And just out of curiosity, for anyone who has played this is the Stylus used in this at all? Can't see why it would be based on what I've seen so far, but you never know.

[Zeta_Nova]

Unless you want to see this game through to the end. I'd suggest that you guys endure with these english acting and deal with it. The videos that were posted on Youtube in it's japanese version was just about 1/2 of the game's story. Which only focused on boss fights, nothing more.

If not, then you can just mute the voices as a whole and just have the sounds. But what good will that do. Only just take a whole chunk of the enjoyment and gameplay experience ^^.

[Rasen]

I understand where you're coming from. There's a lot of japanese games I've played where I've had to bury that fear when playing the english versions and just enjoy it for what it is. Experience ended up being better as a result, but it still nags from time to time.

Of course nothing can save a bad dub, but I'm learning (again) to have faith in Atlus.

And now for something different: Been watching gameplay vids of this and ghod they look insane! That's going to take some time to master.

And just out of curiosity, for anyone who has played this is the Stylus used in this at all? Can't see why it would be based on what I've seen so far, but you never know.

If memory serves, the stylus serves almost no role at all. If it is used, it would be for map navigation and maybe item management (but I doubt it).

Regarding the battle system, it's actually quite easy to pick up.

[StriderTuna]

Unless you want to see this game through to the end. I'd suggest that you guys endure with these english acting and deal with it. The videos that were posted on Youtube in it's japanese version was just about 1/2 of the game's story. Which only focused on boss fights, nothing more.

And not the picture as a whole.

Though I heard in EF, there isn't really voiced bits in dialouge but in shops and battles only (the main concern is the remarks at the start and end of battles) If badly dubbed the humor in those remarks would be ruined.

Though to be honest we're speculating a bit too much on the matter without much official word on which way it'd go at this point. (I'm reminded of the OGs Huckebein hysteria that happened among some fans)

[Zeta_Nova]

I know right? I mean be real here yo. You guys're speculating on something that we haven't seen in it's english version, only just seem to be basing your opinions on the japanese version. So just sit tight and let Atlus do it's thing. You'll be suprised in the long run when the updates eventually hit the net.

[TheMagicHat]

I'm still waiting for the site. Can't wait until they finally get it running!

[Zeta_Nova]

Yeah, me too ^^. At the least, my guess is it won't be up til' like March

[StriderTuna]

When I stopped to think, I realized that... and after the huckebein hysteria, I try to keep myself from doing so too much... at least I didn't go running around with a chicken with a head cut off.

I hope Atlus answers this question soon.

[cwmaggie09]

If you don't mind me asking, what was the Huckebein hysteria?

[StriderTuna]

Basically when the 2nd OGs PV came out the Huckebein clip was replaced by a Gespenst one.... and this on top of how the Divine Wars anime was hucky free lead to a small hysteria from some fans (including myself) on gamefaqs about the fear of no huckies in OGs and such. It wasn't pretty and I told myself to avoid too much speculation afterwards.

[NuclearConvoy]

Basically when the 2nd OGs PV came out the Huckebein clip was replaced by a Gespenst one.... and this on top of how the Divine Wars anime was hucky free lead to a small hysteria from some fans (including myself) on gamefaqs about the fear of no huckies in OGs and such. It wasn't pretty and I told myself to avoid too much speculation afterwards.

The Huckebeins were in OGs, weren't they?

[The Great Leopard]

Basically when the 2nd OGs PV came out the Huckebein clip was replaced by a Gespenst one.... and this on top of how the Divine Wars anime was hucky free lead to a small hysteria from some fans (including myself) on gamefaqs about the fear of no huckies in OGs and such. It wasn't pretty and I told myself to avoid too much speculation afterwards.

The Huckebeins were in OGs, weren't they?

Yeah, all of the Huckebeins that had graced the GBA OG games were included in Original Generations and Original Generation Gaiden. The whole Huckebein-Gate thing went beyond a couple of English SRW forums, that stupid rumor engulfed part of the Asian fanbase as well.

I can only imagine the ****-eating grin that Terada had on his face at that time when he learned about that rumor. Because he made sure he did his part in fanning the flames to keep it alive. Re-editing promo videos, little to no Huckebein content in Famitsu coverage, and removing the Huckebein profiles from the OGs website prior to the game's release was brilliant on his part.

[cwmaggie09]

Good thing the hysteria wasn't true. Despite them pretty much being Gundam ripoffs, they're among my favorite mechs.

[StriderTuna]

Basically when the 2nd OGs PV came out the Huckebein clip was replaced by a Gespenst one.... and this on top of how the Divine Wars anime was hucky free lead to a small hysteria from some fans (including myself) on gamefaqs about the fear of no huckies in OGs and such. It wasn't pretty and I told myself to avoid too much speculation afterwards.

The Huckebeins were in OGs, weren't they?

Yeah, all of the Huckebeins that had graced the GBA OG games were included in Original Generations and Original Generation Gaiden. The whole Huckebein-Gate thing went beyond a couple of English SRW forums, that stupid rumor engulfed part of the Asian fanbase as well.

I can only imagine the ****-eating grin that Terada had on his face at that time when he learned about that rumor. Because he made sure he did his part in fanning the flames to keep it alive. Re-editing promo videos, little to no Huckebein content in Famitsu coverage, and removing the Huckebein profiles from the OGs website prior to the game's release was brilliant on his part.

And some smash fans thought Sakurai trolled them.... Terada trolled things hard.... and I wasn't aware that it was that wide spread. I think he saw the OVA scenario as a way to avoid writing original materal, which caused certain Lamia fans to massively rage.

I did find out about huckies being in the games.... though I did sure feel stupid though.

Still I while similar in some ways I wouldn't say that Huckebeins are too much like gundams, no plot enriched phase shift armor, no white/blue/red paint scheme, no beamspam. The whole thing displeased RR fans since the the anime series were kinda overflowing with Grungusts.

[TheMagicHat]

Basically when the 2nd OGs PV came out the Huckebein clip was replaced by a Gespenst one.... and this on top of how the Divine Wars anime was hucky free lead to a small hysteria from some fans (including myself) on gamefaqs about the fear of no huckies in OGs and such. It wasn't pretty and I told myself to avoid too much speculation afterwards.

The Huckebeins were in OGs, weren't they?

Yeah, all of the Huckebeins that had graced the GBA OG games were included in Original Generations and Original Generation Gaiden. The whole Huckebein-Gate thing went beyond a couple of English SRW forums, that stupid rumor engulfed part of the Asian fanbase as well.

I can only imagine the ****-eating grin that Terada had on his face at that time when he learned about that rumor. Because he made sure he did his part in fanning the flames to keep it alive. Re-editing promo videos, little to no Huckebein content in Famitsu coverage, and removing the Huckebein profiles from the OGs website prior to the game's release was brilliant on his part.

And some smash fans thought Sakurai trolled them.... Terada trolled things hard.... and I wasn't aware that it was that wide spread. I think he saw the OVA scenario as a way to avoid writing original materal, which caused certain Lamia fans to massively rage.

I did find out about huckies being in the games.... though I did sure feel stupid though.

Still I while similar in some ways I wouldn't say that Huckebeins are too much like gundams, no plot enriched phase shift armor, no white/blue/red paint scheme, no beamspam. The whole thing displeased RR fans since the the anime series were kinda overflowing with Grungusts.
Wow. I didn't realize it went to such an extent, though I guess it does show that Asian fans are watching us as well. I never watched all of Divine Wars, but I found myself wondering why Bullet's Mk-II was never in there.

Though to be honest, the R-1 looks more like a Gundam than any of the Huckebeins. Maybe it's just the color scheme, though.

Back on topic, I've just preordered this today and realized that it comes out 5 days after my birthday. Thanks for the present, Atlus! :D

[TheLD]

...Whoa...I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I feel like such a n00b, *laughs*.

Honestly I've been meaning to get into the series for quite some time (with the GBA game and trans. ROM hacks), but I've just never gotten around to it. This time I've promised myself to get this game and finally start the series, but when I saw that the NP article revealed that it wasn't really an SRPG I was kinda let down. But further reading excited me of the really actiony battle system. I hope it succeeds but nevertheless, I am starting the series this game's day one!

[The Great Leopard]

And some smash fans thought Sakurai trolled them.... Terada trolled things hard.... and I wasn't aware that it was that wide spread. I think he saw the OVA scenario as a way to avoid writing original materal, which caused certain Lamia fans to massively rage.


Wow. I didn't realize it went to such an extent, though I guess it does show that Asian fans are watching us as well. I never watched all of Divine Wars, but I found myself wondering why Bullet's Mk-II was never in there.

The whole Huckebein rumor shouldn't be that hard to believe. There were observant folks among both English-speaking and Asian SRW communities. Not to mention there are some fans that peruse both English/non-English forums. Rumors that have some standing are bound to make the rounds...regardless of how silly they seem.

"Bandai forced Banpresto to remove the Huckebeins from OGs because they resemble Gundams too much."

^ Paraphrased quote that popped up during Huckebein-Gate.

I can't believe the whole Lamia thing escaped me when posting earlier. OGs' OG 2.5 finale created quite the ****storm too.

With regards to the topic at hand, I'm still on the fence about whether or not I'll pick up Endless Frontier. While the gameplay and cast seem rather interesting, what little bit I know about the story left me rather unimpressed (I would've imported the game had I thought otherwise). Coupled that with high expectations (probably unreasonably high) that I felt weren't met for the GBA OG games and I'm at a loss.

[Yet Another Tim]

Thanks, Atlus U.S.A., for bringing the entire Super Robo Wars: OG series stateside, up to this point.

Who knows, at this rate, I might wind up taunting Namco Bandai for a lack of self-pride, seeing how you guys over there at Atlus U.S.A. are taking better care of a franchise/series that they have zero intentions of bringing over stateside than Namco Bandai's handling of the Tales series.

[Zeta_Nova]

Well, y'know Namco. They like being "hush-hush" about their RPG franchise and whether it gets a chance to cross to the U.S. Namely with the Tales series. And the U.S branch of Namco licenses any Tales RPG. That fans would be interested in.

As said yo, unlike this company, Capcom, Square Enix and Nintendo. Where they're more open to fans and that it's all about what fans like.

[StriderTuna]

Well... Namco seems quite stupid with RPGs on how to market them and such... and I wonder if they'll ever bother releasing the 2d tales now that Sony has eased up on the 2d Policy.

Still it's better than square and how they release "Super edition EX" of the games we get. It's like how the american gets a jr burger and the japanese guy gets the triple whopper.

Namco of US seems only competent with 3d fighters marketing wise and such.

[Zeta_Nova]

heh, True dat. I guess when it comes to companies like this. Nothing beats Atlus in this category :D. Although, I'd have to give Square Enix props for givin' us TWEWY. This' one S.E RPG I plan to play again after I complete the initial run.

[Rasen]

Well... Namco seems quite stupid with RPGs on how to market them and such... and I wonder if they'll ever bother releasing the 2d tales now that Sony has eased up on the 2d Policy.

Still it's better than square and how they release "Super edition EX" of the games we get. It's like how the american gets a jr burger and the japanese guy gets the triple whopper.

Namco of US seems only competent with 3d fighters marketing wise and such.
To be fair, Namco ISN'T bringing over OG:Endless Frontier. Atlus is. Atlus is the one who decided to take a gamble and invest in localizing the game (which we should reward them for). And while it would make sense for Namco to care about it, the primary advertising responsibility falls to Atlus.

[StriderTuna]

I said that mainly in reference with the tales games since Namco seems quite incompentent with that.

Everything else was more about atlus.

[Amra of the Black Coast]

The MINUTE I heard this was out I placed my pre-order. The Super Robot Taisen series has been one of my favorites for a long time - I even slogged through 2 of the WonderSwan games. I know this one is completely different but it still looks awesome - I can't wait to get it!

[The Great Leopard]

The MINUTE I heard this was out I placed my pre-order. The Super Robot Taisen series has been one of my favorites for a long time - I even slogged through 2 of the WonderSwan games. I know this one is completely different but it still looks awesome - I can't wait to get it!

Wow! You're a better guy/gal than I. Which of the Wonderswan games did you complete?

[xellos06]

Wow I been wanting a one of these to come state side for a long time, and the GBA ones go for like $50 online sites. I hope to see many more come out, maybe even a Collection pack for maybe PS3 of older titles.

[cj iwakura]

I just noticed data from OG1 & 2 can be used? That's interesting.

I hope it doesn't need to be clear data. I never did finish OG2.

(Serves me right for going for Hard Battle Mastery on the first try.)

[Rampage Ghost]

Is this battle system supposed to be like a new experimental or exclusive style? I was really hoping for the regular strategy RPG system like in the GBA games.

[Tatsuya Suou]

To summarize, this game is co-developed by Monolith Soft who made a game that uses a similar battle system, Namco × Capcom. This is also why both main characters of NXC, Reiji and Xiamu appear in the game as well as Kos-Mos.

Here are the trailers of Namco X Capcom to show the battle system. Even though it isn't like the gba games it is still a fun game. So be sure to buy it for OG sake.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlGV64QoQ8g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQfGwd0ZR5o&feature=related

[GenoWhirl]

Hmm. was the date pushed back to April 29?, For some reason gamefaq has this as the date.

I am confused -_-

[Juanblue85]

Shipping tomorrow everyone can't wait for Wednesday for action and bewbs.

[GenoWhirl]

Shipping tomorrow everyone can't wait for Wednesday for action and bewbs.


Specially for bewbs

[NuclearConvoy]

Yeah, I am verily excited! And, Ouch, more debt on my credit card!

[Rurik]

Shipping tomorrow everyone can't wait for Wednesday for action and bewbs.

More importantly the Alt! ^_^ Even if it's shrunk in the wash a bit.

[Tatsuya Suou]

More importantly the Alt! ^_^ Even if it's shrunk in the wash a bit.

Or I like to call "Tiny Nacht" http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3529/nacht2.gif I going to try to get this later today.

[NuclearConvoy]

Amazon.ca has informed me that shipping of this game, at least for me, has been delayed until May 4th.

[Cinder6]

Man, I hate how Gamestop says games come out one day, but they actually come out the day after.

[Rurik]

Well, we've all waited this long, we can wait one or two more days. ;) I've got other new games to keep me busy while I wait, like Lego Batman, or Cooking Mama.

[NuclearConvoy]

Well, we've all waited this long, we can wait one or two more days. ;) I've got other new games to keep me busy while I wait, like Lego Batman, or Cooking Mama.

Hell, I am still playing Luminous Arc 2, which I got at Christmas, and have a backlog of a tonne of unplayed games. School keeps me from playing videogames, and my busted wrist last summer did too.

[Juanblue85]

Hmm interesting it seems that the game is shipping today I thought it was on the 28th looks like I may have to wait till Thursday.

[greg]

I had already pre-ordered the game at Amazon, and today I got an e-mail about various DS games and they had it for a dollar cheaper. So, I cancelled my pre-order and pre-ordered it again. Fun.

[Saburo Hikari]

Going to get it today. Can't wait! I'm glad it's only about $35! I got Dynasty Warriors: Gundam 2 last week, and I'm saving up for a bunch of other games too! Next up is Shin Megami Tensei: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon! After that is inFamous!

[NuclearConvoy]

I had already pre-ordered the game at Amazon, and today I got an e-mail about various DS games and they had it for a dollar cheaper. So, I cancelled my pre-order and pre-ordered it again. Fun.

Doesn't Amazon.com offer a pre-order price guarantee where, if the item is cheaper than when you placed your initial preorder you end up getting your order change to the cheaper price?

I know amazon.ca has it and have seen it in effect on a book I ordered.

[VMan]

I had already pre-ordered the game at Amazon, and today I got an e-mail about various DS games and they had it for a dollar cheaper. So, I cancelled my pre-order and pre-ordered it again. Fun.

Doesn't Amazon.com offer a pre-order price guarantee where, if the item is cheaper than when you placed your initial preorder you end up getting your order change to the cheaper price?

I know amazon.ca has it and have seen it in effect on a book I ordered.

Yes. Canceling and reordering is unnecessary. The price may not get adjusted immediately, but it will eventually.

[TheMagicHat]

Hmm interesting it seems that the game is shipping today I thought it was on the 28th looks like I may have to wait till Thursday.
Okay, so I'm not delusional. I thought it was weird that it wasn't in stores today.

[Mank]

Went today to Gamestop and it wasn't there. Hate it how inconsistent they are on whether or not they actually have a game on launch...
Oh well, at least I got my preorder in for Devil Summoner 2. Apparently they cut the title down to SMT: Devil Summoner 2 in their system, and the receipt only goes to "Shin Megami Tense"... oh well, at least I got to be asked "Is that... one game?", hehe....

[greg]

Yes. Canceling and reordering is unnecessary. The price may not get adjusted immediately, but it will eventually.
Ah. I didn't know, so I just took a precaution. Now I know for future reference.

[Rurik]

So, who else can't sleep waiting for tomorrow to get here and storm Gamestop to claim our prize? I normally don't preorder, but I made an exception this time since they said they most likely wouldn't get any copies if nobody preordered because it's not a well known franchise in the US like Final Fantasy.

[Pibbman]

Man, 1Up really ripped on this game. My guess is that the reviewer is a feminist, and thinks that Atlus fans are freaks?

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3173972&p=39

[greg]

Man, 1Up really ripped on this game. My guess is that the reviewer is a feminist, and thinks that Atlus fans are freaks?

I'm not surprised. Why have a female reviewer for a game like this? Grain of salt.

[Juanblue85]

God what a dumb GS employee I was there to pick up my game and thene said it didn't arrive and I see a couple of boxes behind himand tell him could you check if its in those by chance and he tells me to come back in two hours............ Darn it I guess I can't play it at work then gotta tell my pops to pick it up for me.

[NuclearConvoy]

As a result, strings of ordinary attacks end up being the name of the game, which gets repetitive quite quickly. Watching Reiji break out a lengthy combo the first time around is quite fun. But when it's required for almost every battle? Not so much.

Were we not EXPECTING and WANTING this type of system from the begining?

I dunno, that review seems to have been written by someone who saw that the game was laden with sexual innuendo and decided, from that moment, to dislike the game no matter what.

[Rurik]

*Reads the review* Bah! Who even cares about the girls? I'm in it for the giant robots (which shrank in the wash) baby!

[Tatsuya Suou]

"Blatant sexual innuendo and a tongue-in-cheek storyline can only carry a game so far."

I'm sorry but I stopped after reading that; you want a game about Blatant sexual innuendo and a tongue-in-cheek storyline then I think Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball disserve that kind of review. (Ok I know the game is old and forgotten; an modern version of this would be Onechanbara) I know I am selfishly plugging this game for Atlus support on SRT but the game is more than just Boobs.(I know! Surprising right!) Sure the game doses have the "fan service" most anime fans are used to. I find it funny the first thing on everyone’s mind is just that and nothing else. (I know it's obvious though)

The game itself is still fun, especially for those who played namco x capcom. I'll admit it dose get a bit repetitive but it isn't enough to ruin the game. I just fell that everyone is focusing on the Kaguya cleavage way too much, and good thing "The Beowulf" isn't in this game for he would have killed everyone who kept staring at his daughter’s chest. But really, just because the game has a little more fan services than normal doesn’t make it a bad game. A good example as far as giant robot anime is considered is Godannar. It is a much watch for fans even though like this game, it has a bit more fan service than every thing else in the genre but it excels in everything else including giant robot action. I think the destructoid review that was posted a few days ago is more honest and fair than the 1Up Review.


But before I leave you with this long-winded post I have this to say. Although Kaguya Nanbu may have the cleavage and the giant "Zankanto" sword, Suzuka-"the princess" is my favorite girl in the game. (as you can see on my new icon, you like?) She dose not have the boobage that everyone is staring at on poor Kaguya and is the shortest of the crew, but she has the "style". Every thing about her interest me, that she a demon princes, that she has the "naga the serpent" laugh, her over confidence despite her shortcomings and the "dance of love!" Not to mention she has a RyuKooh/Koryuoh like robot by her side at the start if the game. Here is a link of Suzuka and her partner, Jyakigunoh kicking booty!


Dance of love http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2410/1212890394169.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz0I5uzZWcw&feature=related

http://www.destructoid.com/review-super-robot-taisen-og-saga-endless-frontier-boobs--130194.phtml

[Rurik]

I find it funny the first thing on everyone’s mind is just that and nothing else. (I know it's obvious though)

Correction, everyone's mind but mine. This is the internet, I can see real cleavage, no pen and ink, anytime I want for free, and if I want anime cleavage, I'll go watch Eiken. My interest is purely in the mecha, and the story. :grin:

[Juanblue85]

Well looks like I'll have to WAIT till Friday now.

[Rurik]

Does anyone else happen to know if Gamestop gets deliveries on Saturdays and Sundays? I doubt Sundays very much of course, but I don't know about Saturdays.

[Tatsuya Suou]

I find it funny the first thing on everyone’s mind is just that and nothing else. (I know it's obvious though)

Correction, everyone's mind but mine. This is the internet, I can see real cleavage, no pen and ink, anytime I want for free, and if I want anime cleavage, I'll go watch Eiken. My interest is purely in the mecha, and the story. :grin:

Ok, I can see you are a robot fan as much as I am. The boobs do not faze me as much as others but if you read the commits on any of the videos I can almost graduate the first thing it will say is boobes. (I'm not kidding when I say that as I have read the commits on various websites and on youtube) You and I are just one of the few who want to see the NXC style gameplay, the robots, the lulz story and the many OG references. (not to spoil it too much but one of worlds in the game is set in the shadow-mirror world.) Believe me when I say this viewers, there are games with much worse sexual innuendo in it http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3361 (sorry for bringing it up by the way)

For you and you're support for SRT I give you "The Beowulf special" to hold you over till tomorrow.

EDIT: As far as I know their shipments are between Tuesday and Friday depending on the game. It just this is one of those rare cases where it will most like be arriving on Friday.
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2420/alteisenriesecutin2.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U6du3sbHPE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDvJ31NqdOA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rPMlFOl_lk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDOWhDoZvsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwPlrvv3GFw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAEcnFvm2s8

[Juanblue85]

Does anyone else happen to know if Gamestop gets deliveries on Saturdays and Sundays? I doubt Sundays very much of course, but I don't know about Saturdays.

Well Saturdays maybe as for Sundays no but they do get some high profile games that release on sundays but they get their shipment for said high profile game much earlier.

[Rurik]

Ok, I can see you are a robot fan as much as I am. The boobs do not faze me as much as others but if you read the commits on any of the videos I can almost graduate the first thing it will say is boobes. (I'm not kidding when I say that as I have read the commits on various websites and on youtube) You and I are just one of the few who want to see the NXC style gameplay, the robots, the lulz story and the many OG references. (not to spoil it too much but one of worlds in the game is set in the shadow-mirror world.) Believe me when I say this viewers, there are games with much worse sexual innuendo in it http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3361 (sorry for bringing it up by the way)

For you and you're support for SRT I give you "The Beowulf special" to hold you over till tomorrow.

EDIT: As far as I know their shipments are between Tuesday and Friday depending on the game. It just this is one of those rare cases where it will most like be arriving on Friday.
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2420/alteisenriesecutin2.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U6du3sbHPE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDvJ31NqdOA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rPMlFOl_lk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDOWhDoZvsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwPlrvv3GFw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAEcnFvm2s8

Yeah, I know, similar to the videos of the Alt and Weiss from the PS2 OG's game, half of the comments are all commenting on how hot Excellen's voice is. (Frankly she just sounds like every other overly excited, flirty Japanese girl to me.) If I were any OG character, I'd probably be Ryusei. "Man she's hot! Hm? What girl? I meant the Angel-G!" Though Kyosuke and Excellen are easily my two favorite characters. You have no idea how much I'm hoping there's a Rampage Ghost attack in this game, I still get giddy every time I see the Alt and Weiss get positively medieval on some poor unsuspecting Inspector!

[greg]

I dunno, that review seems to have been written by someone who saw that the game was laden with sexual innuendo and decided, from that moment, to dislike the game no matter what.
Having a chick review this game is like having a vegetarian write a review of a steakhouse restaurant. What a waste. It's like when some review websites would have people who don't like shmups reviewing shmups. "Oh, this shooter is so dumb. All you do is dodge bullets and shoot wave after wave of enemies. And if you keep using continues, you can beat this game the first day you buy it." Totally missing the whole point of the game.

[Rurik]

Not sure what, if anything, a shmup is, but having a girl review it isn't really so much of an issue, since you don't know what their orientation may be, and actually the ideal person to review something isn't a person who likes something, it's someone who's impartial, they neither like nor hate it, which means they'll give a more impartial view.

[greg]

Sorry, I figured that the term "shmup" would be fairly known on the Atlus forum, since Atlus gamers are more into Japanese games than anything. A shmup is a 2D shooter. No, I disagree about the "impartial" notion of a reviewer, and the "orientation" comment is a moot point. Someone who doesn't know crap about playing RPGs, for example, wouldn't know how to get deep into the gameplay of a given RPG. The only ones wanting to know about this game would rather read a review from somebody who is knowledgeable about it and can give a better review of it and not just their hangups of what they don't like about a game they've already made up their mind before really playing it. I wouldn't write a review about a typical Halo game or a Grand Theft Auto game without saying something like, "this must be great fun for all you trailer trash meatheads out there, but I think it sucks." I would only be showing my bias against such games, and it wouldn't be fair to those who actually like to play them. Better leave it to someone who really loves American-made games.

Point being, I want to read a review from someone who knows what they are talking about.

it seems that Gamepro has a favorable review (http://www.gamepro.com/article/reviews/209943/super-robot-taisen-og-saga-endless-frontier/) of this game at least.