Fan-Submit Subforum?

[Picchii]

EDIT: I thought I should note this since there's some misinterpretations going on as to what I'm saying. This is in suggestion for Atlus-specific games ONLY. Nothing else.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think this forum has a place to submit things like fan-related art and fiction. Is it possible by any chance to make a sub-forum for these things?

[Hamel]

Offtopic forum

[Picchii]

Offtopic forum


The off-topic subforum's far too broad. For someone who may want to read, write or post art specifically on for instance, Shin Megami Tensei-related works, it's a lot more tedious because the you have to browse or filter through a lot of other people's topics just to find the ones that're relevant to what you're looking for. And because people are allowed to talk about almost anything there, it'd be easier for poster's topics to quickly get lost in the sea of other ones due to the fact people frequently post new discussions or update old ones.

[cj iwakura]

www.fanfiction.net

In all sincerity, that kind of stuff wouldn't be interesting to those who don't frequent those types of sites, and it would likely be unwelcome by the majority.

[Picchii]

www.fanfiction.net

In all sincerity, that kind of stuff wouldn't be interesting to those who don't frequent those types of sites, and it would likely be unwelcome by the majority.

Firstly, the fan-submission subforum would cover not only fanfiction, but art and probably fan-related contests. FF.net is not a sufficient way to cover all of these things.

Also, where is your proof for this? You say that people wouldn't like it, yet you've provided nothing to back that statement up. There's no proof yet that would suggest majority of the people here wouldn't like a potential subforum to post their fan-works.

[Sei]

^ You'd have to hang around here more to understand what he means. There is a significant (at least vocal!, dunno if majority, I would guess it's not [going by people that have expressed such views vs people who seem to have different views by avatar/sig/icon, but I'm probably a bit subjective]) element that tends to speak against things like these, so that is probably where he is coming from.

I say sure, why not. Someone was running a Nocturne RP community a while back, so there certainly is some interest for writing about stuff like this, and fits as well as Anime and Manga. And the Anime people that are around since P3/4 might like it.

[Picchii]

^ You'd have to hang around here more to understand what he means. There is a significant (at least vocal!, dunno if majority, I would guess it's not [going by people that have expressed such views vs people who seem to have different views by avatar/sig/icon, but I'm probably a bit subjective]) element that tends to speak against things like these, so that is probably where he is coming from.

Yeah, I figured there were at least a signiffigant amount of people who'd be against it since he had to voice it. My thing though, is that like you said, we can't say for certain if that's what the majority of forumers here think. Provided not too many people dislike the idea, I don't see why we couldn't have it. If people don't like it, then fine. Its as simple as not going there. XD

[Pibbman]

Personally I think we already got too many forums on here. Off-topic seems like it's fine for this.

[Olethros]

Consider me the first representative of the "big evil nasty supposed minority" here at the forums that Sei felt the need to warn you about.

Getting that out of the way, here's the logic of the situation: There are plenty of places for all this non-gaming stuff all over the rest of the internet. People that want to talk about games don't go to those places and demand an area for gaming related talk. Why would anyone come here and think it's perfectly OK to insert their own interest into a place that was doing just fine without it in the first place?

Whatever. I'm getting very tired of trying to rationalize and use logic here when it consistently accomplishes nothing. If there are so damned many of you eager to change this place into the mirror image of every other generic forum that covers everything, but very poorly, then who am I to try to stop you?

[slayn]

:agree:

[Picchii]

Getting that out of the way, here's the logic of the situation: There are plenty of places for all this non-gaming stuff all over the rest of the internet.


Non-gaming stuff? This isn't something irrelevant to the games like cosmetics, sports or something of that nature. Sharing ideas, posting fan art, fan fiction, and RPing, while not the game themselves, are related to the games just like the current topics. You act as though what's being suggested has no relevance to the series, when it does.



People that want to talk about games don't go to those places and demand an area for gaming related talk.


If you don't like it, there's a very simple solution for you: Don't go. Its only one subforum, and nobody's taking a gun to you're head and forcing you to click the link let alone participate there if that's not what you came here to do. You're also assuming that most people think the same way you do, and couldn't tolerate a separate section that dealt with this, when there isn't any concrete evidence to suggest this. You're words are your own. For the sake of this discussion, don't give your opinion anymore standing than what it actually has. The poll will speak for itself.


Why would anyone come here and think it's perfectly OK to insert their own interest into a place that was doing just fine without it in the first place?


But people ARE inserting their own interest, even now. Just because they're not writing fanfiction, fan art, etc. doesn't mean that they don't do this with simply discussing their opinions. Also, just because the board has functioned without it, doesn't mean things couldn't be better in the event there are people who wanted this feature.


Whatever. I'm getting very tired of trying to rationalize and use logic here when it consistently accomplishes nothing.


Cut the bull, and quit acting as if you're more self-entitled, and special than everyone else. You're the only one using "logic" or "reason", as if anyone who disagrees with you can't be capeable of such? Discussing anything with that kind of attitude makes you the exact opposite of anything "reasonable", because in the event you could be wrong about something, there's no way for anyone to discuss it with you.

[Olethros]

^ We've got a live one here.

What you think of me, my attitude, or my method of communicating is irrelevant. But, hey, if it makes you feel better to take shots at me then please do so. I really don't mind.

The ultimate point, however, still stands. My reasoning, while not to your liking, is infalible. You've done nothing to disprove it. You just spouted off some angry jabs. Excellent arguing technique you got there. You're on the debate team at your high school, aren't you?

I'll make this easy on you, because I'm starting to feel guilty. I'll actually TELL you the question you need to answer here: Why is this sub-forum, or any others for that matter, really needed here when there are plenty of other places that cater to that sort of thing? Not wanted, by the way. Needed is the key word here. If you can't PROVE that it's needed, then by default it doesn't have to be here.

A final thought: Does it ever occur to people that maybe the community that has been here for a long time gets tired of every single/double digit new poster coming in here and trying to change the place? That's poor etiquette and manners. Hang out here for a while, get to know the people first. Then your ideas won't get rejected out of hand. Just a thought.

[raum215]

Personally, I HATE micro-specific directories.

I honestly would love to have a custom view of all the threads in the subforums I want - that i click and add to the mix.

We spend to much time drilling down into subforums, as it is. I want one view.

[Flußkönig]

Why not, it seems like Atlus Online is the final little push that has knocked the Atlus boards into the animu dumpster. Now that we have taken the plunge why not fill the board with fan fiction, manga discussion, threads about models and the people who love that kind of thing?

Just kidding. Honestly I am hoping that they will limit all this crap to the Atlus Online section of the MB if they even bother creating said sections in the first place. Seriously, just make a thread for this crap in the off-topic part of the MB. There is no good reason to encourage this type of stuff on a corporate MB unless of course it has something to do with the games that Atlus is currently localizing.

[slayn]

There's never a good reason to encourage fan fiction.

[raum215]

usually, we had a few fan submits in the forum thread for the given game... and some were actually good.
For example:
(in FES thread): "OMG I DRAWED A PIKTURE OF MINATO (HIS NAME IN P3 MANGA LOL)!!!"

If Atlus USA forums becomes the hub of internet crap and not ATLUS game specific,.. sigh. This forum is about GAMES. If you draw a EA char - you put in the Etrian Odyssey threads. If you draw a Megaten char, you put in SMT threads. If you write a story about how Junpei Iori finds the courage to love again in the arms of Tatsumi Kanji -
...

well, then - perhaps you should put it in your livejournal, or whatever.

[Picchii]

There is no good reason to encourage this type of stuff on a corporate MB unless of course it has something to do with the games that Atlus is currently localizing.

Um..that was the point.

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Hoo boy.

I think there's some misinterpretation going on as to what I am saying. I'm suggesting we have a fan-submitted area for ATLUS-related work only. Not for any other series or franchises like Naruto, Inuyasha, Sonic, etc. as I understand that we've already got enough games here as it is. Perhaps there should be minor subforums that're accessible only once you select a main subforum. That way, people would know exactly where to put their work and the board can stay organized without bombarding it with even more main subcategories.

And I'm not too worried about bad fanfiction, either. While it frustrates me to read it (or in some cases, skim through the summary), immature writing or fetish art isn't really promoted with Atlus fans, nor are Atlus fans of the general age most of these bad writers are, so for me I'd find it very difficult for someone to get away with that. And even if people do bad pictures or fiction, they could at the very least learn where to improve and gain some constructive criticism about their work instead of walking around ignorant of what people generally tend to think about it.

[Flußkönig]

^I meant for a contest or something legitimate that helps advertise new Atlus products. Not just somebody wanting to write some Hitoshura X Ose furry yaoi crap.

[Olethros]

Seriously, dude, we understood what you were getting at. We're just not even remotely interested.

[raum215]

I'm suggesting we have a fan-submitted area for ATLUS-related work only. Not for any other series or franchises like Naruto, Inuyasha, Sonic, etc. as I understand that we've already got enough games here as it is. Perhaps there should be minor subforums that're accessible only once you select a main subforum. That way, people would know exactly where to put their work and the board can stay organized without bombarding it with even more main subcategories.

NO NO NO. NO MORE SUBFORUMS.

The deal is simple, and has been the same since I landed on here. Where you put your work should be in the thread of the GAME you are inspired by. You share it with FANS of the GAME. We are not here because we are fans of art, or music, or occultism, or mech combat or mysteries. And we may be fans of those things, but we are here because we are fans of GAMES - specifically games ATLUS USA published.

If you want that fandom in sub-categories of how people express their fandon, you miss the point of us converging around what drew us all together. The people who used to meet and talk about DS1 all go into their respective comics, digital music, photoshop etc forums, and what was a rich diverse world of fans with talents and quirks becomes a trailer park of special interests. To have isolated little satellites of fandom setting up shop here detracts from the focus of our reason here - to hang out with people who (despite what else they like) enjoy the same games as us, and contribute to the community built around their US pubilsher; and make fun of the lame people. The plain and simple truth is the pictures of Aigis should be in P3, and the stories of Raidou should be in DS1. Optionally, you could put all of them in SMT thread Why, you may ask?

Because as a fan of a game or game series SMT I should have the right to check out work for that series without being subjected to TONS of SRT or Trauma Center pictures/ articles etc. The next step to that is give each game its own thread in that sub-forum - but that is bass ackwards. Because now people come here looking for pictures, not game threads.

I won't go out of my way to look at those, and I suspect most of the crowd here won't, but if we go looking in DS thread, and see a thread called "Raidou the 47th in SPAAAAACE" - we might pop in, snicker at the pic/fic, and make a snarky reply - or give Kudos where kudos is due. As it should be... because it was about the game were were looking at.

And if it is not - it can be "off topic" - where we chill without a specific game or series in mind.

Was this really so hard to understand?

[Picchii]

I've actually seens some good shonen-ai. Few, but it exists nonetheless.

Seriously though, I'm aware of people's apprehension, and to a degree I feel it myself. This would be undeniably, a risk. However if a lot of people here ARE indeed affraid of the board getting littered with crass writing and art, I feel there's even less to worry about, since again, the general standards for submission would be high, and it'd be difficult for people to get away with doing OOC, yaoi/yuri fetish art or fiction.

However, its not as likely compared to other franchises to find fetish stuff in Atlus-related games since they're at least kind enough to relay a player's romantic options. Also, if a character has sexuality issues (ex: Kanji Tatsumi) they'll let you know within the context of the game. While there are still some people who'll make the characters OOC and/or homosexual (ho yay or les yay)It seems like a lot of Atlus fans gotten the subtle hint nonetheless.

[raum215]

some Hitoshura X Ose furry yaoi crap.

link plz

[Onion of Mystery]

"Having thought it through, we are not going to create a fanart or fanfiction area. The moderation staff has its own duties within Atlus, and we do not have the time or the will to read through every piece of work, regardless of how good it is.

"Fanart is not specifically encouraged, but if you feel that the entire world must see your masterpiece, post it in the subforum appropriate to the game in question. Standard forum rules regarding content apply. If it's from an older game, that doesn't have a board, or you're unsure of which forum to put it in (say you have a Snowboard Kids / P4 / Samurai Western / Rockin' Kats / Wacky Racers mashup), make a thread for it in the one subforum you think is most appropriate.

"Please refrain from posting fanfiction on the forums. As I mentioned, we can't spend the resources to determine the worthiness of any particular work. If you want to include a link in your signature, go ahead, but otherwise don't advertise it or make threads dedicated to it.

"And if you really want to make sure someone at Atlus sees your work, print it out and mail it to us. Other people have done it before, and we have a few choice works hanging on a board for everyone to see. If worse comes to worst, we can scan it into ARAM's memory and make it ROM so he can never erase it."

...typed Onion, as he crushed the hopes and dreams of a thousand budding artists. Then he cracked open a can of UCC coffee, pet the baby seal that scampered around the office, and dozed off with his feet on his desk.

[dragonlife29]

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[Sei]

Consider me the first representative of the "big evil nasty supposed minority" here at the forums that Sei felt the need to warn you about.


^ Actually it was Iwakura! I just clarified what I thought he meant!

At any rate I think he found out by himself what that was about!

Artsy Onion! :)