Manly Biceps is *flex* Calling You OUT!

[Manly Biceps]

Are you the best Luminous Arc 2'er on the planet? As an Atlus Faithful member, you will have the chance to compete for the title of Best Luminous Arc 2 Tactician*!

To be eligible, you must be a member of the Atlus Faithful (if you can read this, you are), have a copy of Luminous Arc 2, and have internet access. In January, we'll send an email asking who would like to join, and from those respondents we'll randomly select 48 participants. (Some of these spots may be given out for representatives of certain websites.) Every participant will be given a super limited prize. I know what you're thinking. You're probably like, "Oh, it's just a leftover artbook or soundtrack. Big deal, I already have those."

WRONG.

This is an even more limited trinket. It's a Luminous Arc business card holder. It's metal, it's got Lucia on the front, and you'll be the envy of every Luminous Arc fan on the internet who isn't one of the lucky 48. The lucky/skilled person who wins it all will get the business card holder as well as their choice of: A SIGNED copy of the Luminous Art book, a choice from a list of older Atlus titles or a giant promotional Luminous Arc 2 box art poster. Secone place will get their choice of whatever's left, and third place gets the item that the second place winner doesn't choose.

Since Luminous Arc 2 doesn't keep track of win-loss records, we're going to be relying on good old-fashioned honesty. Based on the response for the tournament, combined with the number of disputes we have, we may or may not run future tournament style events for the Faithful. This will all depend on everyone playing nice.

*(In North America)

Official Rules

1) Atlus and Atlus U.S.A. employees are not eligible for this tournament.

2) You must have a copy of Luminous Arc 2 and be wi-fi play capable in order to participate. If you are selected, you must prove that you actually own a copy of Luminous Arc 2 by take a picture of the inside box with a piece of paper or something with your forum name on it. (No, you can't just Photoshop your name onto it. Everyone's got some sort of digital camera these days.) Post the pic to the forum. (Use imageshack or something.)

3) You must be a member of the Atlus Faithful and have a Atlus forum account to participate.

4) You and your opponent must agree to the time and date in the Atlus forum in the Official Tournament thread prior to playing. (Therefore, if you do not have a forum account right now, you should probably sign up for one. We’re giving you plenty of time to activate your account.) You will have 5 days to do so. If all matches are finished before the 5-day period is over, we will speed up the following round.

5) 6 characters must be used, and NONE of them can be ABOVE Level 45. This must be verified by making a post in the Atlus forum before starting the game. (This is why we're telling you now. Keep a tourney save and a normal one.)

Note: After discussion I've decided to ask to a restart of the match if the map that comes up is Colosseum of Luck.

The following items have also been banned: Drive-Max, Drive Soda, Flare Bomb, Grenade, Dynamite, and ManaMaterial.

6) At the end of the match, the victor and the loser must verify the result of the match with a follow-up post in the forum.

In the event of a no show:

If Player A sets up a time in the forum and Player B does not respond at all before the 5-day period is up, Player A automatically advances.
If Player A and Player B make no postings in the forum within the 5 day period, they are both eliminated.

In the event of a dispute:

If Player A and Player B dispute the result of a match, you must replay the match if possible within the 5-day limit. If that is not possible, or if the replay is disputed, both players will be “flagged” and a random event will determine who advances to the next round. If a “flagged” player is involved in another dispute, the “flagged” player automatically loses the dispute and is eliminated.

This tournament is limited to North American players.

[Olethros]

Are you going to be participating in the tourney MB?

[shimo]

A tournament? VERY AWESOME :D
I am not from America so I can't compete :-(.
Will the winner also battle you Manly Biceps?

[atboob]

Sweet, now if only I didn't suck so much at video games...but then, I guess everyone who sort of wins this raffle into the seed still gets a prize just for trying, huh?

[mymerrilymemory]

FREAKING SWEET


grindan times.

[jeffx]

I'll arm wrestle you ANYDAY, MB... until you let those MANLY TEARS flow!!






ps I'm serious.

[MiiDS]

Yay, now I am going to try to level up as much as I can to go against epic people!

[Rune]

In...January? That means I have to take a break from Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World just to train! Darn... But I've never been able to compete in a tournament before. Well, they had entry fees, were inconvenient to attend, and had entry fees. I hope I can score one of those 48- spots.

Actually, I don't even have the game yet. I ordered from Amazon on the 11th of October. Hopefully that was in time for the bonus art.

But how will this work? Trade friend codes, fight each other, then report who won? Honesty is my thing, but isn't it true most people would lie to get ahead? If two people said they won, then what? Disqualify both? Clearly this is only going to work if everyone tells the truth, if there's no way to watch the match. Hmm... There should be a way to do that.

Oh, I suggest adding to the official rules something along the lines of no Action Replays or similar hacking devices being allowed to alter the game's natural function before and during the tournament. It wouldn't be fair if someone power-leveled all the way, right?

Well, it wouldn't matter for level specifically if caps could be set, but I don't know if that's possible. I said I didn't have the game earlier, and I don't see the need to research that tidbit of information right now.

[Rune]

I'll arm wrestle you ANYDAY, MB... until you let those MANLY TEARS flow!!






ps I'm serious.

Send me a ticket to attend the match.

[Kira]

How to participate ????????

[InvisibleMan]

I'll be grinding from now 'til January, patiently waiting for this e-mail...

[atboob]

Well, you have to figure they will have a level limit, so maybe you can save at a lower level. I mean if it were completely open to any level, you could never control the interaction.

[InvisibleMan]

atboob, is that Izuna as your avatar? (Nice close-up!)

[dragonlife29]

Shoot...I hate random selection stuff ='( Well, here's hoping my Luck stat is high enough and get chosen for this!

EDIT: Screw the grand prizes! :P Kidding, of course I want that business card MOAR O_o

...MANLY TEARS...


You and I must think alike :P

[CanuckGamer]

I hate you Atlus, so very very much :D

Okay before we go all out into this what are some rules?
There are a few things we/I need to know before the power leveling begins:
1: Level Caps? Are there any and if so what is it.
2: Banned Items? Is there any equipment that we can't use like Rega and stuff. Also can we use items?
3: How many characters will fight? *I'm not going to level Pip... EVER*
4: Any characters we cannot use?

Other then that this should be loads of fun killing :3
Does ARAM enjoy blood sports?

[Luna]

-sigh- I guess now i'm gona have to show off my l33t skills >=D

[CeruleanDraco]

you want grinding? it's ON!

so much stuff~ *__*
for my lovely witches~ ♥__♥

[Manly Biceps]

This was just to whet your appetite. There will be rules, oh yes, there will be rules.

Later today probably. In fact, I may be writing them immediately after this post!

[Manly Biceps]

1: Level Caps? Are there any and if so what is it.


Yes. Level 45. See official rules.


2: Banned Items? Is there any equipment that we can't use like Rega and stuff. Also can we use items?


No banned items. Banning items and equipment artificially unbalances the game.


3: How many characters will fight? *I'm not going to level Pip... EVER*

How dare you! Pip is awesome! He's got heart! And he can cook!

6 characters must be used.


4: Any characters we cannot use?


Nope. Every character's a legit character. Same reasons for no banned items and equipment.


Does ARAM enjoy blood sports?

He replies:

*beep* CHONG LI *beep* CHONG LI

[dragonlife29]

This was just to whet your appetite. There will be rules, oh yes, there will be rules.

Later today probably. In fact, I may be writing them immediately after this post!http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b189/dragonlife29/jackson4.gif

EDIT: Beaten.

[Soushi_Grapple]

I better get cracking >< I am at the end of LA1.. Only a few weeks to play/train LA2!

[Lord Zombie]

awesome so it is happening...well *goes back to game* must finish and lvl up...

[SephYuyX]

Im game, it'll be hard not to level past 45 though.

[Manly Biceps]

Just have two saves. One for tournament play, and one to go and do all the fun stuff.

[dragonlife29]

You don't gain EXP during online play, right? Sorry if it's a stupid question XD

[SephYuyX]

Just to be clear, were not doing anything right now, right? Were in a waiting status until an email is sent sometime in Jan.? Any date estimated?

[Manly Biceps]

Just to be clear, were not doing anything right now, right? Were in a waiting status until an email is sent sometime in Jan.? Any date estimated?

You are as prepared for this tournament as you can be, aside from sharpening your skillz.

The only thing anyone else would need to do until further notice would be to sign up for the Atlus Faithful and sign up for the forums.

[ThreeLeafIvy]

I was hopeful and excited when I saw the date as January, because I preordered the game and had it shipped to an aunt in California so she could bring it along to a family meetup for me in the Philippines in December, but then I got to the VERY end of the post.

WAAAAAAAAAAAH. TIME ZOOOOONES. :(
I suppose it would be highly impractical to arrange matches worldwide, though...

[OtakuReborn]

Interesting.....except my copy is in my college mailroom while I'm here on thanksgiving break. I won't be seeing it for another 4 days or so. I might actually try a few battles online to see where I stand in comparison to most people. I'll also have to get used to any differences between the first game and this one, but I should be good to go, I think. This'll be fun.

[mymerrilymemory]

1: Level Caps? Are there any and if so what is it.


Yes. Level 45. See official rules.



well shoot I could hit that in under a week :D

you want grinding? it's ON!

so much stuff~ *__*
for my lovely witches~ ♥__♥

STFU NIKOLAI XD hurry up and go play it you, so we can practice >:3

Oh and hey who would be up for a few practice rounds in a few weeks? Cause I don't know anyone who has LA2 cept for you doods.

[CanuckGamer]

Sweet, the rules seem fair, even if the level cap is a little low :D
I call dibs on the dark team ^^

[Mank]

Just out of curiosity, for those who have it, about how long would grinding up to the level limit take. I've put off getting the game till Christmas. Of course, even if the tourney IS, say, January first, I'm sure I could just grind my way up there, but I also want to know if I'd need to actually focus on LA2 or if I could just play it cool and take my time a little...

[StrikeRaider]

I'm automatically disqualified. Like half of my favorite characters are above lvl 45 and I'm way too lazy to start a new game just to fit into that.

Good luck to the participants.

[Shyrangersmrpg]

Excellent! I registered *just* to gain a chance to enter this contest and win that Lucia business card holder - er...and the tourney as well. ^_^;;

Will begin assimilating my team post-haste! Might start posting, too...eh-heh...

[ChaosHearts]

Just out of curiosity, for those who have it, about how long would grinding up to the level limit take. I've put off getting the game till Christmas. Of course, even if the tourney IS, say, January first, I'm sure I could just grind my way up there, but I also want to know if I'd need to actually focus on LA2 or if I could just play it cool and take my time a little...

Well, as far as gameplay time goes, I think it took me about 30 hours to get to/break the limit, and I got it right when it came out, so... I guess it depends on how much time you devote to playing, but it's definetely possible to do it.

[Ryo_Suzuki]

Well since I just started this game yesterday, I'll make sure I save another file once my characters reaches level 45.:D

[Spirit Rubi]

I don't get my game until Christmas, but at least I don't have to make a new file for my characters to be at the right level. :3

This sounds fun, can't wait. <3

[cedxknight]

all right a turney this is gonna be awsome i am gonna train hard

[Soushi_Grapple]

I got Luminous Arc 1 and it only took me about a week and a half to get to the end (completed it a few days ago, just started LA2). That was playing for about 8-10 hours for 4-7 days, so its easily possible. ^^

[ArcSwordsmaster]

Hmm... I guess being as this is a North-American event my being Canadian doesn't effect my eligibility.

I would really enjoy this tourneyment. I've been wanting to test my tatical prowless for a while now... I haven't had live prey since the Wi-Fi of the origanal Luminous Arc was still active...

I'm wondering if there's any ways to increase ones eligibilty... just in the hindsight that it'd wouldn't be fun to train up a seperate file of level 45s (and form an admerable Lapis collection on said file) and not be invited -_-...

[topaz91385]

Are you the best Luminous Arc 2'er on the planet? As an Atlus Faithful member, you will have the chance to compete for the title of Best Luminous Arc 2 Tactician*!

To be eligible, you must be a member of the Atlus Faithful (if you can read this, you are), have a copy of Luminous Arc 2, and have internet access. In January, we'll send an email asking who would like to join, and from those respondents we'll randomly select 48 participants. (Some of these spots may be given out for representatives of certain websites.) Every participant will be given a super limited prize. I know what you're thinking. You're probably like, "Oh, it's just a leftover artbook or soundtrack. Big deal, I already have those."

WRONG.

This is an even more limited trinket. It's a Luminous Arc business card holder. It's metal, it's got Lucia on the front, and you'll be the envy of every Luminous Arc fan on the internet who isn't one of the lucky 48. The lucky/skilled person who wins it all will get the business card holder as well as their choice of: A SIGNED copy of the Luminous Art book, a choice from a list of older Atlus titles or a giant promotional Luminous Arc 2 box art poster. Secone place will get their choice of whatever's left, and third place gets the item that the second place winner doesn't choose.

Since Luminous Arc 2 doesn't keep track of win-loss records, we're going to be relying on good old-fashioned honesty. Based on the response for the tournament, combined with the number of disputes we have, we may or may not run future tournament style events for the Faithful. This will all depend on everyone playing nice.

*(In North America)

Official Rules

1) Atlus and Atlus U.S.A. employees are not eligible for this tournament.

2) You must have a copy of Luminous Arc 2 and be wi-fi play capable in order to participate. If you are selected, you must prove that you actually own a copy of Luminous Arc 2 by take a picture of the inside box with a piece of paper or something with your forum name on it. (No, you can't just Photoshop your name onto it. Everyone's got some sort of digital camera these days.) Post the pic to the forum. (Use imageshack or something.)

3) You must be a member of the Atlus Faithful and have a Atlus forum account to participate.

4) You and your opponent must agree to the time and date in the Atlus forum in the Official Tournament thread prior to playing. (Therefore, if you do not have a forum account right now, you should probably sign up for one. We’re giving you plenty of time to activate your account.) You will have 5 days to do so. If all matches are finished before the 5-day period is over, we will speed up the following round.

5) 6 characters must be used, and NONE of them can be ABOVE Level 45. This must be verified by making a post in the Atlus forum before starting the game. (This is why we're telling you now. Keep a tourney save and a normal one.)

6) At the end of the match, the victor and the loser must verify the result of the match with a follow-up post in the forum.

In the event of a no show:

If Player A sets up a time in the forum and Player B does not respond at all before the 5-day period is up, Player A automatically advances.
If Player A and Player B make no postings in the forum within the 5 day period, they are both eliminated.

In the event of a dispute:

If Player A and Player B dispute the result of a match, you must replay the match if possible within the 5-day limit. If that is not possible, or if the replay is disputed, both players will be “flagged” and a random event will determine who advances to the next round. If a “flagged” player is involved in another dispute, the “flagged” player automatically loses the dispute and is eliminated.

This tournament is limited to North American players.

Rule #4 how will this work I've never done wi fi with the DS before, someone please help me to understand?

Thankyou,

Topaz91385

[ArcSwordsmaster]

Uhm... well do you actually have a Wi-Fi USB connector?

[topaz91385]

Uhm... well do you actually have a Wi-Fi USB connector?

Uhm....no, just act like I know nothing please because when it comes to the DS Wi-Fi I don't know anything.

Thanks Topaz91385

[Mank]

Uhm... well do you actually have a Wi-Fi USB connector?

Uhm....no, just act like I know nothing please because when it comes to the DS Wi-Fi I don't know anything.

Thanks Topaz91385

Do you have a wireless router?

[ArcSwordsmaster]

You need a Wi-Fi to use the nintendo Wi-Fi aspects of any game :-|

Some games are compatable with Wii Connect 24 I belive but not Luminous Arc 2 anyways....

[frequency]

Nintendo also sells this USB thing you can stick into a USB port on your PC for Wi-Fi. It's like $20.

EDIT: Urr... I missed that ArcSwordsmaster had mentioned this previously. I'm dumb. And slow.

[topaz91385]

Uhm... well do you actually have a Wi-Fi USB connector?

Uhm....no, just act like I know nothing please because when it comes to the DS Wi-Fi I don't know anything.

Thanks Topaz91385

Do you have a wireless router?

yes I do

[CanuckGamer]

You should also look around the town you live in.
Some fast food joints offer free Wifi and Libraries are good places to look.
After that just connect and your good to go :D

Here try this site:
http://www.wififreespot.com
The list is pretty good.


So after a quick run down, I need to beat this game 12 times to get the most awesome team ever!
At around 8-10 hours speed running that means 120 hours in about a month... in between that I have work and school... so yea no life for me :D

It is sad, being a tester means that I play Video Games at work for 8 hours, playing my DS for relax time is about 2 hours, 1 in the morning and 1 at night, and now I have to build my team just to be ready which adds another 3-4 hours a day. So in the end I'm going to be playing games 14 hours or more a day!

[frequency]

You should also look around the town you live in.
Some fast food joints offer free Wifi and Libraries are good places to look.
After that just connect and your good to go :D

Here try this site:
http://www.wififreespot.com
The list is pretty good.


So after a quick run down, I need to beat this game 12 times to get the most awesome team ever!
At around 8-10 hours speed running that means 120 hours in about a month... in between that I have work and school... so yea no life for me :DBut that's what's great about handheld games! ...You play under your desk.

[lunarXskies]

Lvl 45 limit cap? >
That means no super equipment...meh, guess I'll just farm up Lapistier in case I even get picked >

[CanuckGamer]

But that's what's great about handheld games! ...You play under your desk.

I can't do that, my bosses would kill me then take my DS away :3


Lvl 45 limit cap? >
That means no super equipment...meh, guess I'll just farm up Lapistier in case I even get picked >

Why no super equipment?
You only need 6 for the fight, that leaves 10+ to level up then get the equipment and lapister for the rest of the tournament team. I'm trying to get 12 ready for the fight and the rest for clearing the game and getting the equipment, that is what I'm doing at least.
Pick out a few people you know you don't want, like Pip, and level them up to clear the spa battles.
Hmm maybe I should not have posted that, oh well :D

[frequency]

But that's what's great about handheld games! ...You play under your desk.

I can't do that, my bosses would kill me then take my DS away :3
But that's why it's "under your desk"! I've been doing it for years :p








Then again... maybe I'm just trying to get you killed so I have 1 less person to compete with.

[Mank]

Uhm... well do you actually have a Wi-Fi USB connector?

Uhm....no, just act like I know nothing please because when it comes to the DS Wi-Fi I don't know anything.

Thanks Topaz91385

Do you have a wireless router?

yes I do

Then you should be perfectly fine for Wifi.

[Hank_Peters]

Just to make sure... will post count affect the selection in any way?

[CanuckGamer]

Just to make sure... will post count affect the selection in any way?

Yes, post count is very important, just look at me. I'm trying to spam these boards as much as I can in order to get my count up.
If you even want to stand a chance of getting in you better get cracking... :3

[topaz91385]

Uhm... well do you actually have a Wi-Fi USB connector?

Uhm....no, just act like I know nothing please because when it comes to the DS Wi-Fi I don't know anything.

Thanks Topaz91385

Do you have a wireless router?

yes I do

Then you should be perfectly fine for Wifi.

cool thankyou

Topaz91385

[ArcSwordsmaster]

I'd still like more details on the selection process...:( I'm just paranoid now...

[Master Zombots]

Wow, epic. :o

Nice idea, Atlus! I can't wait!

[Daichikitazawa]

hm...... i see a luminous arc 2 contest

but why must all the characters be under lv 45?

i dont think that shows the player's skill on lv up characters



will there be a more advanced competition for characters lv 45 and up?

the harder the more fun @_@

[ArcSwordsmaster]

Having all lv45s battle would be as 'difficult' as all 99s... seeing as they are the same... -_-

[ChaosHearts]

i dont think that shows the player's skill on lv up characters


Assuming you mean "It doesn't show the player's skill on the characters they already leveled up", it's already been stated you can/should just start a new game and stop leveling when you hit 45.

[ShadowRaskolnik]

This sounds like a pretty interesting idea, hopefully there will be more like it in the future.

[joshgrrr]

1: Level Caps? Are there any and if so what is it.


Yes. Level 45. See official rules.



well shoot I could hit that in under a week :D

you want grinding? it's ON!

so much stuff~ *__*
for my lovely witches~ ♥__♥

STFU NIKOLAI XD hurry up and go play it you, so we can practice >:3

Oh and hey who would be up for a few practice rounds in a few weeks? Cause I don't know anyone who has LA2 cept for you doods.


Lol "level Kaph"

Also, No one is ever on wifi! I dont care if its 3:25 am East coast, Someone should be on!

hehe I like that in both games wifi was enabled at chapter 13.

Hello, Im new to these forums, but I've got both games. Just got to 13 on 2.
I hope they enable boss characters as playable this time. Seems like a waste of coding to not let us use them.

[CanuckGamer]

Practice matches??? I think that is a great idea, we should start another thread and swap friend codes. We follow the rules of the fight just the same and get some practice in breaking heads.

[mymerrilymemory]

snip

Daw I love Kaph XD
I'm only on chapter 9 though @w@;;;

[SephYuyX]

Can we make up our own rules within the offical rules if the opponent agrees?
For ex. If both players agree to using no items, would that be ok?

[ArcSwordsmaster]

Can we make up our own rules within the offical rules if the opponent agrees?
For ex. If both players agree to using no items, would that be ok?

I think that would be accepted... seeing as the matches are unsupervised and based on honesty. I personally would vouch for it, seeing as items have to be aquired to be used, but that leads into other issues such as eqipment and Lapistier...

So... yeah... touchy topic...

[Luna]

Ahhh! I'm so busy and havn't even got my WiFi yet T_T" Oh well, i have a month or so to do this. LVL 45 psh, Peice of Cake.

[joshgrrr]

ill get on wifi if someone wants to fight a lvl 20 lol.
Anyone do the guild quests each chapter?

Why do they keep putting level 26 enemies against me???
I got Delivery mission 4 before I got Delivery mission 3!
Sorry, Still new here, dunno where to post stuff.

[ArcSwordsmaster]

Ahhh! I'm so busy and havn't even got my WiFi yet T_T" Oh well, i have a month or so to do this. LVL 45 psh, Peice of Cake.

I've never even got to battle anyone on the 'Fight Anyone' feature... -_-

[ArcSwordsmaster]

ill get on wifi if someone wants to fight a lvl 20 lol.
Anyone do the guild quests each chapter?

Why do they keep putting level 26 enemies against me???
I got Delivery mission 4 before I got Delivery mission 3!
Sorry, Still new here, dunno where to post stuff.

I will also pratice battle you, if you want. I've private messaged you

[ChaosHearts]

Can we make up our own rules within the offical rules if the opponent agrees?
For ex. If both players agree to using no items, would that be ok?

I'd imagine that there'd really be no way to tell what happens in matches unless the actual participants complain or say something, but that does sort of defeat the purpose of it all in my opinion.

[CanuckGamer]

My two cents, if you have to make up rules more then the few listed you're a weak fighter :p
Anyone who fights me on Wifi feels the full wrath of everything I have. This is WAR people :D

[ArcSwordsmaster]

My two cents, if you have to make up rules more then the few listed you're a weak fighter :p
Anyone who fights me on Wifi feels the full wrath of everything I have. This is WAR people :D

I take you on.

[CanuckGamer]

My two cents, if you have to make up rules more then the few listed you're a weak fighter :p
Anyone who fights me on Wifi feels the full wrath of everything I have. This is WAR people :D

I take you on.

I'm only online 5am-7am and then after 7pm PST. Send me a PM if you want to get hurt :D

[SephYuyX]

I just think no items make for a more tactical game, but to each his own.

And yeah, more people need to wifi, ive only been able to find one opponent, who was 20 levels lower >.>

[ArcSwordsmaster]

I just think no items make for a more tactical game, but to each his own.

And yeah, more people need to wifi, ive only been able to find one opponent, who was 20 levels lower >.>

The only opponents I faced were from here... I could never find anyone on the battle anyone feature.

[Megaolix]

Well, I just registered. Hopefully, I'll be on of the 48.

I even have a strategy to use in mind, eh eh eh...

[TheMute]

2: Banned Items? Is there any equipment that we can't use like Rega and stuff. Also can we use items?


No banned items. Banning items and equipment artificially unbalances the game.





I think damage damage items should be banned, such as squib, bomb, flare bomb, grenade, dynamite, AND ESPECIALLY MANA MATERIAL. They are extremely broken and involve no strategy on the player whatsoever. If you don't ban these, at least ban Mana Material, dealing 1000 dmg + 5 square AOE.

So simply by signing up for Atlus Faithful by putting in my email at atlus.com, I'm registered to be a prospect in the tournament?

you must prove that you actually own a copy of Luminous Arc 2 by take a picture of the inside box with a piece of paper or something with your forum name on it.
So just with the box open with manual in it and paper with my forum name on it? I'll probably talk multiple 360 shots lol.

[dragonlife29]

You know, I was just thinking about damaging items yesterday while playing--TheMute brings up a good point (and yes, as long as you're signed up for the Atlus Faithful newsletter and have a forum account, you're good); I think we should ban those so that it's just recovery items (Maybe just the ones that heal 150 HP?). I didn't even know about Mana Material since I'm still really early in the game (I only see Squibs so far).

[ArcSwordsmaster]

Healing items arn't a big deal really... unless you using mega-rare ones that you can't find enough to use effectively in a strategy, they don't heal enough to make up for the wasted turn. The enemy can do that damage back and more in their following turns...

[TheMute]

I think DrivePill, DriveSoda, AND ESPECIALLY DRIVE-MAX should be banned as well. A LVL 3 FD can demolish any unit or severely cripple them, without any effort or strategy on the player's part.

All healing HP, MP, and status' and causing various status' items are fine. But the damage items and restoring DP levels are severely broken.

Some of the WiFi maps are slightly broken as well. I have only played on two of them(out of a number I don't know) which were the castle one with a river in the middle (symmetrical) and another mountainous map where P1 had the higher ground. Because P2 had the lower ground, if 2 Fatimas were within each other's Freeze Dusts, only P1's spell would reach because of the height difference and P2's spell would not be able to hit. Maps are decided upon randomly even with friend codes, and competitors should restart until the randomizer chooses a non-broken map.

FTA(First Turn Advantage) doesn't seem as serious because all characters are spaced fairly apart.

I'll post more concerns when I think of them.

EDIT (I detest double posts):

No limits/bans on equipment/lapis.

As far as the honesty thing goes, a simple picture of the victory screen can confirm the outcome of a match. 'Victory' only stays on screen for a few seconds and then it switches to what you won, and a picture of the items you won can also determine if you won. Winners tend to get high quality equipment/lapis, while the loser receives lowly lapis, equipment, and items.

Just for confirmation, so all of our 6 chars can be level 45, just not 46?

I will double check with my friend in a wifi match whether or not you gain experience from wifi matches. If you do, that could be a problem because then our level 45 chars can level to 46 and be disqualified from the tourny. You don't gain experience in random wifi so you probably don't gain any with friend code wifi.

If you want a wifi match, meet me here.

http://www.meebo.com/room/awdor/

[CanuckGamer]

Aww, I had 30~40 of Mana Material + Drive Max and everyone on my team has them equipped :p
I hope they don't get banned.

[SephYuyX]

Aww, I had 30~40 of Mana Material + Drive Max and everyone on my team has them equipped :p
I hope they don't get banned.
Yeah, this is exactlly the reason why there should be a ban on items, or atleast a selection of them.

I see no problem with any equip/lapis use.

It takes all the strat/fun out of a game when you can just farm any amount of Mana Materials you want, and just insta kill everyone basically.

The random map thing does suck, would be nice if there was a way to manipulate the game in to selecting an offical fair map that everyone has to use. But oh well.

In any case, I can just hope ill be even selected as one of the 48.


Also, I thought you didnt earn any exp on wifi?
Ive only fought online once, but it was a low level person, and im fairly sure I didnt see any exp gain after any actions. I didnt get a chance to finish the match though as the other play dropped seeing he was 20 levels lower lol.

[CanuckGamer]

All right, let me give a quick defense on items.
I think we can all agree that there will be a set 8-12 charters used, some more then others by everyone. Fatime, Sadie, Althea being the worse offenders. And an even smaller set of lapis used. The Mage Queen and whatever the attack +40 one is called will be over used.

Now this is going to create cookie cutter fights for the most part; forcing the matches into luck for crits, timing for drive attacks and minor tactics like bully or target.

But with these items, the game changes greatly. Suddenly high HP characters like Gaston and the HP+ lapis start to feel more useful. Healers are a must on the battle field and have to be protected at all costs. The movement plus lapis turns a character like Josie into a one shot ICBM. Everything is all messed up now and the real thinking begins. Do you play high risk, betting on the items to do enough damage, wasting a turn to use a Drive+ hoping for that god spell kill. Or do you play it safe, turtle with HP, Regan and Vamp lapis buying time for your enemy to weaken before the attack.

Just my two cents on the matter.
Don't whine about a problem, find a way to fight against it!

[TheMute]

I'm not complaining; I can get all the Mana Material and Drive Maxes I want lol, but it sucks for everyone else. Trying to be non-partisan.

Yes the game changes with these items (NOT lapis, all lapis/equips are fine), but for the worst. Case: pick the 6 characters with the highest AO + AO lapis + equipped with 2 Mana Material EACH. You can end the match before your opponent even gets to make a turn.

At level 45, most characters don't even clear 1000 HP (and if they do, barely) without HP lapis, making mana material insta-OHKO. And what of the poor souls who don't have HP lapis?

Yes, turn based strats like these should involve some strategy in equipping what equips/lapis and what not, but most of the strategy should come from gameplay. No strategy if a player doesn't even get a chance to move. And I didn't even touch on FTA yet lol. With one 1st turn you can already be winning with 6 chars to 5, and even worse depending on who you mana material'd and AO.

Played on another wifi map that was like a harbor with water everywhere. Quite choky. Teams split up in opposite corners. Map count: 3 so far? 1 castle map with slight fta, 1 mountainous map with terrain/height flaw, 1 choky harbor-ey one. All relatively symetrical.

Where's Manly Biceps to resolve these issues?

[Gen Eric Gui]

I'm inclined to agree with TheMute here. I'm not far enough in the game yet to have seen this Mana Material item, but it sounds way too ridiculously powerful to even be considered balanced. I mean, at level 45, even if you used HP%+ Lapis, even the best HP characters would BARELY survive(there are several chraacters who don't break 1k health at level 99, let alone 45), and you'd have to spend your turn healing, wherin the person using them could just spam them again for the kill.

Under the current ruleset, a team like he outlined (High AO characters with AO+ Lapis and two Mana Materials) would win every single time, no contest. Ultimately, the final few players would likely have that exact same build, and the final battle would whittle down to whoever went first. Doesn't sound like a very fun or fair tournament to me.

It would be like allowing people to use Akuma in a SF2 tournament. Every single person would pick him because he's so much better, and the entire thing would come down to who can fire more air fireballs faster. I have yet to see any healing or effect items that would unbalance the game, but any damage item other than the most basic ones would seriously unbalance these matches.

[Crowned_Allen25]

Interesting!
I already have the game and it it totally awesome! The graphics have gotten a lot better and it is so much easier to control the characters. I like some of the new stuff that got included in the game, such as the guild and the fact that you able to either skip or control the events is totally awesome (there is a "skip" button and a "auto" button)!
There are, however, some things that I didn't like about the new changes on the game. First, the number of people able to go on to the battlefield reduced to two (I guess it was to try and reduce the slowness of the game, since that happened a lot in the old game). Another thing is that you are limited to who you get to talk to after each battle...that kind of sucked...-_- This ties in with the guild quests; after each outside battle, you don't get to talk to your teammates and have a good relationship with one another (unlike the other game). Oh, the story line gets longer and that kind of pisses me off...

Oh, another thing: I got pretty far in the game to the point where I'm almost half-way done with the game (I was so obsessed XP). And I found out so much things! I'm not sure if I should spill the beans...but if you want to find out, you can e-mail me to find out! I pre-ordered this game, so I am very happy! ^ ^

[CanuckGamer]

Oh I understand the unfairness of the Mana Material I was just pointing out another side.
I was in agreement that it should be banned loooooong before anyone said anything. Which is why I asked about items a bit back ;D

Now on the side of Drive Max, if you people want to waste a turn using one you better hope it is for an end all kill or else :D

[Manly Biceps]

I'm listening to what everyone's saying. We've got plenty of time before the tourney starts so, there's still some wiggle room available.

[TheMute]

Influenced by an Advance Wars: Days of Ruin tourny I participated in last April, I think of the 48 gamers chosen, 24 should be from the West, and 24 from the East, simply to avoid time zone differences until the final match. Simply ask about it in the email asking us if we want to join the tourny. There should also be some players chosen on a waiting list of some sort, just in case for any unknown reason a player accepts doing the tourny and doesn't show up, at least for the first round...

Oh I understand the unfairness of the Mana Material I was just pointing out another side.
I was in agreement that it should be banned loooooong before anyone said anything. Which is why I asked about items a bit back ;D

Now on the side of Drive Max, if you people want to waste a turn using one you better hope it is for an end all kill or else :D
Ayano.

[TracySmith]

Looks interesting. It's possible (but extremely difficult) to beat the game with everyone under Level 45.

My state is the only one that's technically not a part of the North American continent. Will I still be able to enter?

[CanuckGamer]

If your really silly and don't mind wasting time doing guild quests, you can beat the game with just 1 character with the exception of a few like Pip. Tho you might even be able to do it with him.

If you want the most bang for your team, pick 6 you don't like and just use them to clear the game keeping the rest under 45. And just because you are forced to use some in the game does not mean you have to use them in battle to attack with. With that you can have 12 on stand by for the fight.




Ayano?? What does that mean ?_?

[ArcSwordsmaster]

Ayano is a playable character...

[CanuckGamer]

I understand that Ayano is a character but what did he mean.
Ayano's FD is good but not that great. It CAN hit more then 1 but that is not really big of a deal.
Ayano is far better as a normal attacker. Using a Drive anything on her is somewhat useless.

[TheMute]

You underestimate the power of Level 3 FDs. An Ayano with 349 ATK can deal 1498 dmg to Hero X from the front (2nd last guild quest) who has 245 DEF . Most chars at lvl 45 will have DEF < 245 and HP < 1498. Therfore, FD MAX > Mana Material, and/or awfully close to each other. Unless of course, you want us to invest in DEF lapis as well as your HP lapis. I chose Ayano because she can hit any witch (usually from any angle and if they bunch up to protect from hitting from behind the 3 range is nice), and if you don't know why... shame on you. :P

Of course this all situational as it is conceivable that Roland or any other melee char can take down Ayano before she reaches her target, but Ayano can out run and go around anyone. And if there's a very chokey point leading to a giant stalemate (like one of my WiFi matches on the castle map), spam the item and everyone has their LVL 3 FDs.

All in all, FD MAX and Mana Material = broken and should be banned from a hopefully balanced and fair tourny.

[SephYuyX]

About the random map selection that was brought up earllier, yeah, I had a taste of that last night online. It was the map with the tree stumps, and upper and lower level, with 3 2 1 character placements on each side. Did I do this fight with anyone here? But yeah, needless to say I was on the bottom, and couldnt do anything but get completly demolished because I couldnt do anything.

Now I probably would have still lost regardless of the map, so I really dont care, seeing as the guy had purple lapis for every slot and every character >.> How do you get these lol?

[Megaolix]

So, anyone who fought enough online can confirm for sure if we gain xp or not on it? I've asked many places, but no one answered. If I can't get an answer here...

Anyway, I hope I get a slot for this. I already have a team and a strategy in mind.

[Hank_Peters]

I'm pretty sure that you get no XP from online play.

[ArcSwordsmaster]

You do not get experience from Online Battles, despite misinformation given in the intrucstion booklet.

[ChaosHearts]

The movement plus lapis turns a character like Josie into a one shot ICBM.

... There's a movement plus lapis too? Jeez, I missed all the ones I really wanted somehow. XD

[Kishou]

You know, I'm kinda wondering if there will even be 48 people in this tournament in general. I mean, sure Luminous Arc 2 is a great game but it's not one that people widely know about. Mario, FF, Sonic; those games are the ones everybody practically knows.

That being said, the fact that some of us might not even get picked worries me. I just joined recently to be in this tournament, and I'm almost done with the game. Just on the last battle, with characters around 42-44. I'm too afraid to finish and extend the limit of my key characters. ^_^;;

I wonder why they set it at 45, of all levels.

[ChaosHearts]

To make the people who went and beat it before they heard very sad!!!!!!

... I kid, of course, but that is a good question. I know there's a point that you should stop at, but it seems kind of random to make it at a point where some might be constricted from beating the game or something and getting the spoils. I say some because, as stated multiple times in this thread, it's perfectly possible to go through the game with multiple parties and whatnot.

[TheMute]

Uber purple lapis can be attained from secret shop unlocked after completing all 5 spas and WiFi matches.

Exp is not gained on WiFi.

So agreed FD Max, Mana Material, the WiFi map with 3 stumps with a vast terrain difference in height, and possibl other FD and damage items should be banned?

Regarding 48 people, you never know. Either way, more of a chance for us, and one more step closer to ultra cool lucia business card holder! Hell Yea!

Have you guys played LA1's WiFi with all 99s and RRs? It's freaking ridiculous, and the matches are tediously boring. At 45, matches will be significantly cut shorter. Plus not everyone will be willing to grind more time into it after beating it. It's the level around where you beat the game, and you can always go further with another save. By cutting at 45, everyone won't be as overpowered and matches won't be elongated further.

[aamdani07]

Hello, I'm new and I've got both games, haven't played either (I'm more of an ATLUS collector) but I wanted to sign up for the tournament for the cool prizes and card holder, so I registered in the forums and signed up for the newsletter.

I read through the various posts so far, and have a few questions about the tournament as well as the ATLUS website in general:

1. If the official rules state you can't ban items/equipment, why are we discussing their ban? I know MB has stated there's still wiggle room, but I thought the point of not banning those items or equipment would be in that they create an artificial (un)balance. And if it really is as horrible as you guys are mentioning, why wouldn't the tournament runners have already considered that and thought it would be an engaging tactic to out-manuever?

2. Is there a way to register all of the ATLUS games you own to your forum name and to the ATLUS website? I would love to be able to mark which games I own somewhere so that if I'm foraging around the forums or official site, they can advertise those games that I don't own to me. I heard the newsletter provided great information about their upcoming titles, but I want to be offered previous titles as well that I may have missed out on.


** SUCKING UP (And no, not for better consideration as one of the 48 members) **
What can I say? I'm a game designer and a fan. I'm especially a fan of most of their games because usually they're very well designed. One of the things I really wished they would do more often is release strategy guides for all of their titles, not just the ones they've seen a lot of commercial success with. I know I'm not the only fan out there who will purchase these items simply to support them. TBS games I prefer to play through on my own for the actual strategy part, but I like having lists of items and where to obtain them, information about missable characters, unlockables, etc. I especially like recently how I've been getting more artbooks and soundtracks. I love collecting that kind of stuff. [Although, I have to say it's pretty random (yet funny) how each of the female characters' "sizes" were listed in the Luminous Art book]

I hope you guys know how much some of us are terribly loyal fans and how proud we are of owning as many of your (high-quality, high production value) titles as we can. Keep up the good work, guys!
** END OF BROWN-NOSING **

-Thanks,
Ahad L. Amdani

[Gen Eric Gui]

1. If the official rules state you can't ban items/equipment, why are we discussing their ban? I know MB has stated there's still wiggle room, but I thought the point of not banning those items or equipment would be in that they create an artificial (un)balance. And if it really is as horrible as you guys are mentioning, why wouldn't the tournament runners have already considered that and thought it would be an engaging tactic to out-manuever?

We're discussing the banning of items and such because we feel that there IS a serious unbalance in some of the items. Which, uh, there is. The fact that the inclusion of a single item(Mana Material) instantly destroys all other possible forms of strategy other than itself makes it completely broken.

And no, tournament organizers DON'T always consider every possible angle, especially since sometimes the organizers of tournaments don't understand the high levels of play(Not saying this is the case here, but I've played in a number of tournaments where rules that were set made us scratch our heads in disbelief). More often than not, you have to find the guys fighting in the trenches at a tourney to discover what is really fair in practice and what is not.

MB said there was nothing in the game that was unbalanced, and we've presented evidence to the contrary. Ultimately it's up to him and whatever other Atlus staff are involved in this tournament to decide what to do, but we've presented our case in the interests of making what we believe to be a much more fair tournament.

All I know is, if I get entered and the items are banned, I will build my team accordingly. And if they are not banned, I will build a high-AO team and equip them all with Mana Material, and I assume that anyone else who wants to win will do exactly the same. It's really as simple as that.

[TheMute]

Read my posts on page 3. I'm only concerned about FD and Damage items (lapis and equipment are all fine), as well as one severely broken WiFi map.

In the April 2008 Advance Wars: DoR tourny, the mods randomly picked maps built into the game, and they were horribly broken, fta, 10+ prop adv, etc etc. We noted it, expressed our concern, and they changed it to our suggestions of the fairest maps. Tourny organizers, or the upper-heads or whatever you call them, usually don't actually play the game, let alone go in-depth with the strategy of a particular game. Mods =/= 'da big boys'

And as a side note to be partially semi-on-topic for the curious, mana material has a range of 5 plus 1 aoe, effectively being almost at par with Freeze Dust/Ignis Blaze range-wise. More Ayano lololololol

Has anyone played on any other wifi maps besides the castle, stump, or water harbor ones?

EDIT
Almost forgot Ayano had 5 move, so Mana Material isn't on par but THE SAME as Freeze Dust/Ignis Blaze in terms of range. lolololol

[aamdani07]

I see. Well, the only real tournament I've participated in that isn't Madden-related would be an MLG tournament for Super Smash Brothers Melee - and they allowed quite a few broken things (Marth/hitbox, wave-dashing, chain-grabbing until a certain percentage, etc.) because the developers had left it in, so I agree that the in-the-trenches players should be consulted in regards to what's fair and not - otherwise, it gets pretty nasty.

I was just thinking that if the official rules were set by the "higher ups" as you put it and that the mods aren't these higher ups, then there wasn't much we could do in that regard.

In either case, I've just now started playing the game and so far I'm enjoying it - but I'm more pure tactics types of games rather than items/equipment/skills (example, advanced wars: days of ruin, without any COs in symmetrical maps, equal starting funds, no starting units, equal spacing for available buildings for capture, etc.).

Although, you could create maps in AW and at least select them - is there a listing of all of the multiplayer maps somewhere with previews available so that players can try and select beforehand which map to play on? I understand that the maps selected are random, but at least players can retry the match-making process until one of the maps they've selected is okay is picked by the matchmaker.

Thanks,
Ahad L. Amdani

[Gen Eric Gui]

First off, Wavedashing isn't broken. Every character can do it and it and it adds something to everybody's repetoire. Marth may have been a powerful character, but he was by no means broken, and IIRC most characters can chain-grab in some fashion. None of those things are game-breaking and they have no reason to be banned.

And of course, this all just further proves why there needs to be discussion about things like this. Everybody has a differnet opinion about what kinds of things should be banned or not, but when there's a near unanimous outcry over something, that's generally a good sign that something needs to be done about it.


Also, no CO's in AW? What the hell man? The different matchups between CO's is what makes the game special.

[CanuckGamer]

On the subjects of maps, I think the castle is the only real fair map.
It is the most open and does not force either side to make bad moves.
The harbor has too many choke points, if you don't have someone like Sadie and Evil Undead Cat Pillow you can hold a line forever. And the forest is just borked ^^


Side Note:
Do you design games for a big company aamdani07? Or just for yourself?
And what do you program in?

[aamdani07]

@Gen_Eric_Gui: Opinions, sure. I misspoke - I meant (and this is based on what I have heard from players who are competetive in that game) that wave dashing wasn't an original intent of the game; it was found during the debug process and left in. And as for his being broken - I've seen some pretty crazy videos of functionality that I feel is broken. But yes, I agree with you on the general outcry - I'm just stating what I thought was the case based on the original rules.

As I had mentioned, I have yet to play the game; I'm focusing on Persona 4 and game design. I only play hand helds typically when I'm at a friend's place, while watching football games other than the Cowboys, or waiting for a round of smash or DoA or something.

Oh, and about the COs? I'm talking about Days of Ruin, specifically, and my friends and I didn't like the "effects" of the COs as much as in Dual Strike. Also, not all of us had every CO unlocked, so we started playing it without COs - and it became all about tactics and long-term strategy based on units. It made it like an elaborate chess game, where everything is equal, so it's really about who's the best tactician. We have a lot of fun with it, anyways.

@CanuckGamer: No, not for a big company. At the moment, I've designed a few games for myself, and prototyped a couple of them. One of my long-term goals over the next few years is to make an XBox Live Arcade (XBLA) game using the XNA Framework and XNA GameStudio 3.0; I want to write a book about independent game development, but you have to do it AND be successful at it first, in my opinion. The thing with most indie games is that they're typically for casual gamers - easier appeal, easier to market [easier, mind you, but still not easy]. I want to make a "hardcore" indie game.

I work a dayjob at an actuarial outsourcing company called The Scruggs Group (TSG) in Argyle, TX [an hour away from me, but I work from home 2 days out of the week, and about one week out of the month, all week from home] and I have my own software consulting company, Echo Consulting. It's mostly web-related work, some custom software design and development, business automation and efficiency improvement, that sort of thing. Nothing fancy, just sounds technical when it seems like common sense - thing is, the "common sense" is harder to apply in practice than it sounds. So we try and help you do it is all.

Anyways, recently, I've stopped taking on clients for my side business and have had a lot more time (to game and otherwise) so one of my graphics contractors approached me saying he was in a similar situation with a bit more time on his hands. We discussed making a game, as we are wont to do lately, and the iPhone came up since he was discussing the idea with a friend of his. I'm a registered iPhone developer and we're considering doing a turn-based strategy game, similar to advanced wars on DS, for the iPhone. It's a small, ambitious project that we're estimating will actually take longer to complete than is viable in the market, but it seems like a fun concept to approach and test out. We're still designing things out and testing features. Camera controls based on the accelorometer on the iPhone sounds like a great idea - so far it isn't turning out so great in practice.

If you want to hear more, I'll post a separate thread on it, or PM you, but I figure it's just a couple of amatuers getting together and thinking about the elements of game design that would be nice to have in a game. We're no Atlus :-p

I develop software in ASP.NET/C# (for web) mostly for Echo, C# and VBA for TSG, and C++/C#/Java/Flex/Whatever-you-need-that-fits-the-bill for game development.

[Sayl]

Personally I don't like the Idea of items being used as many have stated the games will revolve around mana mats and DP pots. That being said it will make administrations job harder because the more rules that are established that are not hard coded into the game, the more instances of cheating you will have.It is not hard to prove you won with a couple screenshots, but it will take diligence beyond what would be an enjoyable tournament environment to video every match you play to watch for "banned" items.

[CanuckGamer]

Personally I don't like the Idea of items being used as many have stated the games will revolve around mana mats and DP pots. That being said it will make administrations job harder because the more rules that are established that are not hard coded into the game, the more instances of cheating you will have.It is not hard to prove you won with a couple screenshots, but it will take diligence beyond what would be an enjoyable tournament environment to video every match you play to watch for "banned" items.

Well the tournament is going to be honor system based anyways. So blocking items is not too much of a problem. Also I'm willing to bet that most of the people that enter this fight a not going to be that bad considering how few people buy Atlus games ^^;


Side Stuff:

One of my long-term goals over the next few years is to make an XBox Live Arcade (XBLA) game using the XNA Framework and XNA GameStudio 3.0; I want to write a book about independent game development, but you have to do it AND be successful at it first, in my opinion.

Good choice, XNA is good for easy game making but is powerful enough it make full games.
Just don't use the Debug mode :D


I'm a registered iPhone developer and we're considering doing a turn-based strategy game, similar to advanced wars on DS, for the iPhone.


I've not touched the iPhone before. After my fun with BREW I vow never to work on a cell phone again, It has scarred me for life.


I develop software in ASP.NET/C# (for web) mostly for Echo, C# and VBA for TSG, and C++/C#/Java/Flex/Whatever-you-need-that-fits-the-bill for game development.

;_; C#/Java/Flex...
If you had not put C++ up there I would have lost all respect for you :p

[aamdani07]

Haha, hey, C++ is something from the past, all right? You can still do things in it, sure, (great things, actually, and sometimes you need the performance speed for certain operations) but when you have newer tools available to you, why not utilize them? The world isn't full of JUST embedded systems or ridiculously low-capacity requirements. Technology is widely available for cheaper costs - and while it's expected to be able to satisfy customers with limited funds and antiquated hardware, most of what we as game designers develop for are fixed systems (next-gen consoles, same-gen consoles, hand helds, cell phones), unless you design for PC, and even then, you set your minimum requirements.

I left Lockheed Martin because of school, but I never did enjoy their antiquated programming techniques or lack of adoption of newer technologies. I left L-3 Communications Link Simulation & Training because I was offered a job working with newer technology in an industry I hadn't worked in before. I worked the defense industry for just over a year and I wasn't impressed or intrigued, especially with their philosophies towards application development.

Business application development is moving forward - the newer tech/programming languages are there to speed up production and development, not change design principles or standard practices. Not adopting them when they're unstable or unproven - okay, I get it; not adopting them when they've been out there, tested, proven and freely availble and easy to learn? Well, I'm sure some businesses have their reasons, such as legacy code, etc. - I just don't undestand them.

As for the tournament, as it is based on the honesty system, and since we're having to agree to maps and such between opponents anyways, why can't the individuals simply agree to the matter of banning the said items? I mean, with such an outcry against them, I can't imagine anyone really wants to have them in there. And for those problematic few that want them in there - why not just match them up against each other first?

[CanuckGamer]

Moving our talk aamdani07 to; http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?p=79979
It is in "Top-Level Stuff > General Discussion > C++ Old School????"

[ChaosHearts]

... kind of off topic, but where did all of the threads go?

[TheMute]

... kind of off topic, but where did all of the threads go?
Under 'Display Options' in drop-down menu 'From the', pick a time internal and threads will appear.

So Manly Biceps, I'M CALLING YOU OUT, heh. What is the verdict on damage items, FD items, and the broken height stump/forrest map (and possibly the harbor one as well)? Or am I still too impatient, and the decision will be made last minute... I must farm items accordingly. :D

[ArcSwordsmaster]

[QUOTE=CanuckGamer;79578]On the subjects of maps, I think the castle is the only real fair map.
It is the most open and does not force either side to make bad moves.
The harbor has too many choke points, if you don't have someone like Sadie and Evil Undead Cat Pillow you can hold a line forever. And the forest is just borked ^^

Theoretically a Boyancy Lapis (or Luna as well) could break that line.

[TheMute]

[QUOTE=CanuckGamer;79578]On the subjects of maps, I think the castle is the only real fair map.
It is the most open and does not force either side to make bad moves.
The harbor has too many choke points, if you don't have someone like Sadie and Evil Undead Cat Pillow you can hold a line forever. And the forest is just borked ^^

Theoretically a Boyancy Lapis (or Luna as well) could break that line.

The Buoyant Lapis is simply impractical, as you don't know if the randomizer will choose that map.

Discovered another WiFi map! It's like a soccer field. It's small, flat with no differentiation in terrain elevation, and is severely broken due to FTA(first turn advantage).

Current count of WiFi maps, a Castle one, Stump one, Harbor one, and Soccer one. Only Castle one seems playable. Harbor one maybe, but I would need to see it again.

EDIT

Finally saw last map. It's like a circle donut plaza in the sky with a hole in the center, all around with differentiated yet similar and awfully close elevations.

And WOW, just realized each map has a name.
Castle one: Colosseum of Courage
Stump one: Colosseum of Wisdom
Harbor one: Colosseum of Technic
Field one: Colosseum of Luck
Sky one: Colosseum of Power

Seems like Colosseums of Wisdom and Luck are most broken, and only Colosseums of Courage and Power are balanced. Colosseum of Technic is debatable, for there's fta in the center, but everyone else is in their separate corners so no severe fta; plus a stalemate from the chokey-ness can take a bloodly long time to complete the match.

All of them are certainly playable for casual matches, but for a tourny, but Colosseum of Courage is the most ideal map. If we're too lazy (WHICH WE SHOULDN'T BE) to restart the match, Colosseums of Technic and Power are plausible but still have their faults. Colosseums of Wisdom and Luck are out of the question.

To be fair to all and have consistent results, I'd recommend having all matches being played only on Colosseums of Courage and Power.

I dislike being ignored... *glares at Manly Biceps*

[CanuckGamer]

I've never seen the power one so I cannot testify to its fairness but some of the other could still work with a slight change. If people would agree to a best 2 out of 3 match then maybe maps like Luck could still work but sadly the map would still live up to its name ^^
Wisdom and Technic I'm 100% against. I got a second look at the map and realized that with the right Lapis on Athena and keeping in the back, she can spam her full revive and make an unstoppable wall.

[TheMute]

The overall shape of the map is like a circle so there's a potential of your opponents running away from you constantly, but other than that, there are no severe faults. 2 fronts just like Colosseum of Courage, one semi-open, one chokey, but there's a giant 'hole' in the middle so the the fronts are clearly separated unlike Colosseum of Courage.

And now that you mentioned the Althea bit, the map is pretty big and she can conceivably stay in the corner and spam Resurrect, but you would still have to protect her since there's 2 fronts, unlike Colosseum of Technic where there's one direct route to opposition.

But yes, overall, Colosseum of Courage is the most balanced WiFi map. Colosseum of Luck seems like it would be a fun playthrough but not for a tourny, and agreed Colosseums of Wisdom and Technic are definitely out.

MANLY BICEPS WHERE IS YOU

[CanuckGamer]

I think we have scared Manly off ^^

I don't think that sounds too bad, I would have to fight on it to really know but for now I think it is fair.

So now that we have covered Maps and Items what else can we start banning.
I say we start banning Lapis, starting with Nirvana. 15% mp recovery is way to over powered. Putting it on Althea or Luna can make matches go on forever. J/K

On a more serious note, how do we handle disconnects? Do we restart the match or call the winner based on how many characters are left? I hope people don't disconnect when they are losing and claim it was just bad timing.

[TheMute]

But... but... I enjoy all of my beautiful lapis...

In the first 10 minutes, you can restart if any sort of disconnection occurs. If a disconnection happens again in the first 10 minuntes, disconnector loses.

After the first 10 minutes, the disconnector loses. If disconnector is winning, you can restart; if player is winning and disconnects a 2nd time, he/she loses. I guess we can define winning as having 3 or more characters more than your opponent on the field.

Pity in first 10 minutes with only up to one restart. After that, tough luck.

To confirm you weren't the disconnector, take 2 pictures.
1) Screen saying you're opponent disconnected
2) Friend Roster

While on WiFi after your opponent disconnects, there's a screen saying you're opponent disconnected.

The Friend Roster will have a list of all the friend codes you have played along with a date of the last time you have played that person. This information is only saved after 'logging off' of WiFi (so don't turn off your DS after a WiFi match!), so disconnectors will not have this list/information updated. We can confirm the friend code in the picture in this thread, as we will be posting all of our FCs, info, and concerns in this thread.

For further communication other than this thread, I recommend an instant messenger, meebo, or an IRC channel, for instantaneous chats are much more faster, efficient, and not to mention real-time.

I WONDER IF MANLY BICEPS EVEN KNOWS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

[CanuckGamer]

Hmm that might be a tad overkill but there really is no other way to see if people are just disconnecting. 10 minutes is wayy to much time tho, 5 minutes is more then enough for people fix any wireless problems.

We should also take photos of the win/lose screen. That way we avoid the problem of people claiming they won when really they did not.

I think Manly did not realize what he was getting into when he setup this tournament ^^

[LusterLegend]

Sounds interesting. Maybe i'll join.

[CanuckGamer]

Fresh from the Atlus news letter. It seems 4 spots in the tournament are being given to RPGamer and Siliconera. RPGamer is going to had their banner to two random forum members and Siliconera is holding a mini-tournament to find their two champions.

This is going to be great ^^
It is the Atlus faithful vs RPGamer fans vs Siliconera champions in a blood bath!
I hope I get picked just so I can help carry the Atlus banner and crush the other sites.

[TheMute]

I happen to be representing Siliconera. I was the only person who signed up and was guaranteed a spot in the tourny. heh. So if and/or when I win (:P) I hope they say I won and not Siliconera...

I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO SOME BICEPS THAT ARE MANLY

[TomorrowHill]

I am so ready for this contest to start! I began playing this game at the start of a day consisting of four consecutive flights across North America and credit my sanity to it. Now I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a spot in the brackets! Good luck to everyone else planning to enter!

-TomorrowHill-

[Chewbaccaguy]

arg... now I have to start all over again to get some level 45 characters? D:
hope I get picked :-|

[fried0076]

Once i finally get to open the game i am going to start training. I only have to wait 5 more days till them.

Also, how do I add a picture under my name, thanks

[Kishou]

I happen to be representing Siliconera. I was the only person who signed up and was guaranteed a spot in the tourny. heh. So if and/or when I win (:P) I hope they say I won and not Siliconera...

I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO SOME BICEPS THAT ARE MANLY

Correction: WE'RE the only ones to represent Siliconera. It did took the guys a while to check my application, but they we said they liked it and will get a spot in the tourny too.

^_^;

[CanuckGamer]

Kill the traitors!!!! :3

[dunno001]

So... where's the official posting area for hoping to get a spot? Am I assuming that's the purpose of this thread?

[zweikreuz]

:yawn: two weeks of grinding. Man I'm gonna be on caffine for a while. V__V

[ChaosHearts]

So... where's the official posting area for hoping to get a spot? Am I assuming that's the purpose of this thread?

There... isn't one? You just need to be an Atlus Faithful and a forum member from what I understand. I think this thread is purely just discussion.

[TheMute]

Summary for Manly Biceps so he doesn't have to read through all the long posts, but he will need to read through them if he wants the reasons behind the following requests.

1) No bans on equipment and lapis
2) Ban on Damage Items (Squib, Bomb, Flare Bomb, Grenade, Dynamite, Mana Material)
3) Ban on FD Items (DrivePill, DriveSoda, Drive-Max)
4) Ban on 3 WiFi Maps: Colosseums of Wisdom, Technic, and Luck
5) When the random WiFi map selector picks a map from rule 4, simply disconnect and restart until it chooses either Colosseum of Courage or Colosseum of Power
6) In the case of a disconnection:
6a) Within the first five minutes if a disconnection occurs, you restart the match. If a 2nd disconnection occurs within the first five minutes, the disconnector loses
6b) After the first five minutes, whoever disconnects loses
6c) If you are winning (winning meaning having 3 or more characters more than your opponent) and you disconnect, you may restart the match. If you are winning and disconnect a 2nd time, you lose.
7) Please take pictures of your victory screen and friend roster for confirmation if a dispute occurs. Do not turn off your DS after you win but disconnect from WiFi through the menus so your friend roster is saved.

Additions/revisions needed?

[Oblivion Lotus]

Cool, I just ordered Luminous Arc 2 a few days ago. I wonder if it will arrive in time for me to prepare for this... Probably not... But I guess we'll see. haha.

[Ido]

I just got my copy of Luminous Arc 2 as well. By the way was there a set date for the tournament? And also was there one for Luminous Arc 1?

[Kishou]

Summary for Manly Biceps so he doesn't have to read through all the long posts, but he will need to read through them if he wants the reasons behind the following requests.

1) No bans on equipment and lapis
2) Ban on Damage Items (Squib, Bomb, Flare Bomb, Grenade, Dynamite, Mana Material)
3) Ban on FD Items (DrivePill, DriveSoda, Drive-Max)
4) Ban on 3 WiFi Maps: Colosseums of Wisdom, Technic, and Luck
5) When the random WiFi map selector picks a map from rule 4, simply disconnect and restart until it chooses either Colosseum of Courage or Colosseum of Power
6) In the case of a disconnection:
6a) Within the first five minutes if a disconnection occurs, you restart the match. If a 2nd disconnection occurs within the first five minutes, the disconnector loses
6b) After the first five minutes, whoever disconnects loses
6c) If you are winning (winning meaning having 3 or more characters more than your opponent) and you disconnect, you may restart the match. If you are winning and disconnect a 2nd time, you lose.
7) Please take pictures of your victory screen and friend roster for confirmation if a dispute occurs. Do not turn off your DS after you win but disconnect from WiFi through the menus so your friend roster is saved.

Additions/revisions needed?


MORE PICTURES?! Aw, damnit. I don't even have a camera, let alone a way to upload a camera picture online. I only got here because I scanned my DS cartridge.

[Koriand'r]

That should only be a suggestion thus far.

For #6, I'd suggest increasing that time from 5 minutes to maybe 7-10 minutes, due to how slow Nintendo WFC has been lately. Pro'ly from all the additional DS/Wii units (and games to go along with them) out there now, after the Christmas gift-ing. We have to compete with them still, you know, and that time frame was discussed before the more recent laggyness :tongue:

I've had a hard time even logging into the game's WiFi this evening and couldn't imagine someone trying to get in specifically for the tourney.

Murphy's Law and all ;)

[Kishou]

I was just thinking; what kind of 'older' games are up for grabs anyway? I know Persona 4 only came out last month, but does that count as a prize too?

[Rampage Ghost]

The only thing that discourages me from tournaments for DS WiFi games is the heavy volume of people who use AR.

[Lestat]

if that shows up, i suppose take a video and show it as evidence, it would make the other side disqualified. I deffinatly want to get a spot. I've been meaning to post here for like a couple weeks but my computer has been messed up till now. I've been working on leveling up my characters since i heard of it. so far, lvl 20. ill be at 45 if i just sit down for a few days and play

[Doomed_Angel]

I definitely want a spot in this contest; I know I'll win.

[Lestat]

so confident in yourself huh. im hoping for a spot myself

[daemons8]

January is here and still no e-mail :very_sad:

and where are those MANLY BICEPS when you need them?:question:
gotta few things to ask them

[Manly Biceps]

What's up, peeps?

I've been reading the posts. I'll probably enact a good number of those rules. The map one's going to be kind of annoying, though, since you can't actually choose the map, and constantly reconnecting could prove problematic.

By the way, for everyone that thinks they JUST need to be in the forums, that is incorrect. You need to be in the forums, AND be on the Atlus Faithful mailing list. I'll be sending out a mail blast to announce the tournament sign-ups, so if you're not on it, get on it.

[TheMute]

And the bulging muscles are alive!

I'll be satisfied as long as there are fair clean matches.

My main concern for the maps is one of them can have players elongate the match to virtually forever (Technic), another simply determines the winner by seeing who goes first (Luck), and the last one has an obvious height disadvantage that can determine the match right there (Wisdom). Colosseum of Power has the potential of having your opponent run away from you for an eternity, making Power second-string, and it seems Courage is fairest of them all.

If one of the 3 (or 4 if our lovely mod includes Power) maps is chosen, each player can just pick only Althea and suicide, thereby allowing each player not to restart their DS'. After each WiFi match however, I believe you are automatically logged off of WiFi and sent to the Intro screens (confirmation needed).

Recap of me suggestions
1) No bans on equipment and lapis
2) Ban on Damage Items (Squib, Bomb, Flare Bomb, Grenade, Dynamite, Mana Material)
3) Ban on FD Items (DrivePill, DriveSoda, Drive-Max)
4) Ban on 3 WiFi Maps: Colosseums of Wisdom, Technic, and Luck
5) When the random WiFi map selector picks a map from rule 4, simply disconnect and restart until it chooses either Colosseum of Courage or Colosseum of Power
6) In the case of a disconnection:
6a) Within the first five minutes if a disconnection occurs, you restart the match. If a 2nd disconnection occurs within the first five minutes, the disconnector loses
6b) After the first five minutes, whoever disconnects loses
6c) If you are winning (winning meaning having 3 or more characters more than your opponent) and you disconnect, you may restart the match. If you are winning and disconnect a 2nd time, you lose.
7) Please take pictures of your victory screen and friend roster for confirmation if a dispute occurs. Do not turn off your DS after you win but disconnect from WiFi through the menus so your friend roster is saved.

[Koriand'r]

By the way, for everyone that thinks they JUST need to be in the forums, that is incorrect. You need to be in the forums, AND be on the Atlus Faithful mailing list. I'll be sending out a mail blast to announce the tournament sign-ups, so if you're not on it, get on it.

Question about that. Do I have to have "Atlus Faithful" under my username for it count? Because I'm on the mailing list too and just wondering now why it doesn't say that for me :confused:

[Lestat]

i think we have to be on the mailing list to get the links and such.

[daemons8]

Thank you MB for showing up :D
It seems now that I'll have to wait for that e-mail and hope I get picked.
Until then my questions can wait.

[jeffx]

By the way, for everyone that thinks they JUST need to be in the forums, that is incorrect. You need to be in the forums, AND be on the Atlus Faithful mailing list. I'll be sending out a mail blast to announce the tournament sign-ups, so if you're not on it, get on it.

Question about that. Do I have to have "Atlus Faithful" under my username for it count? Because I'm on the mailing list too and just wondering now why it doesn't say that for me :confused:

You need five posts or more to get the "Atlus Faithful" title... and before you can start creating your own threads.

[Manly Biceps]

And the bulging muscles are alive!

I'll be satisfied as long as there are fair clean matches.

My main concern for the maps is one of them can have players elongate the match to virtually forever (Technic), another simply determines the winner by seeing who goes first (Luck), and the last one has an obvious height disadvantage that can determine the match right there (Wisdom). Colosseum of Power has the potential of having your opponent run away from you for an eternity, making Power second-string, and it seems Courage is fairest of them all.


I'm not limiting the competition to having forced restart/reconnects for the majority of maps. So, I'll remove Colosseum of Luck, but "extending the match for virtually forever" doesn't really tilt the match either way, and a height disadvantage isn't really all that big of a disadvantage.

So, if you end up in Colosseum of Luck, restart. Otherwise, it's game on.

After each WiFi match however, I believe you are automatically logged off of WiFi and sent to the Intro screens (confirmation needed).

This is correct. You get logged back to the restart screen and have to start the process over again. I'd like this to be the exception rather than the rule.

Recap of me suggestions
1) No bans on equipment and lapis

As was stated in the rules.

2) Ban on Damage Items (Squib, Bomb, Flare Bomb, Grenade, Dynamite, Mana Material)

I'm not banning them all. You wanna save yourself a guaranteed hit of 100 points of damage at the expense of one of your item slots, that seems like a huge risk and not cheapness. Squib & Bomb can stay.

3) Ban on FD Items (DrivePill, DriveSoda, Drive-Max)

Once again, these aren't exactly cheap. They let you know what's coming. This isn't like a CCG where you flip up a Drive-Max, and then lay waste to your opponent's entire hand. I'll allow DrivePill to stay.

4) Ban on 3 WiFi Maps: Colosseums of Wisdom, Technic, and Luck

5) When the random WiFi map selector picks Colosseum of Luck, simply disconnect and restart until it doesn't.

Already discussed.

6) In the case of a restart disconnection:
6a) Within the first five minutes if a disconnection occurs, you restart the match. If a 2nd disconnection occurs within the first five minutes, the disconnector loses
6b) After the first five minutes, whoever disconnects loses
6c) If you are winning (winning meaning having 3 or more characters more than your opponent) and you disconnect, you may restart the match. If you are winning and disconnect a 2nd time, you lose.

Unfortunately, this can't be proven. I'm going to have to throw this out completely. I hate disconnectors as much as you do, but there's honestly no way to tell who's disconnecting on the Nintendo Wi-Fi network. I've been playing with someone while chatting over the phone, and both of us will get messages saying the other person has disconnected. We'll have to use the rules already outlined for disputed outcomes.

7) Please take pictures of your victory screen and friend roster for confirmation if a dispute occurs. Do not turn off your DS after you win but disconnect from WiFi through the menus so your friend roster is saved.

If possible, do this. However, since not everyone has a camera, and since this is easily faked, I don't see how this will help much.

[Blewz.hak]

*sigh* This all sounds sooooo sweet, to bad that I don't live in the US, or have wi-fi play capablities at this time. Play hard!!! Enjoy the victories you earn.

[Lestat]

this could be really fun. i really dont think we will have much of a problem with slots, it doesnt seem like theres too many people that have posted and are really interested. so itll all be figured out soon enough.

[Cascade Range]

Would an amazon.com online receipt be good enough proof?



So I can get clarification.

[Manly Biceps]

Would an amazon.com online receipt be good enough proof?



So I can get clarification.

You mean for proof of purchase? Hm... The reason I want the photo with the forum user name displayed is to make a connection for everyone else to see that you, the person in the forum have the game. I guess I'll take it on a wait & see approach.

[42gami]

when is the official start date of the tourney?

[daemons8]

yeaa the tourney is gonna start soon

[daemons8]

You need five posts or more to get the "Atlus Faithful" title... and before you can start creating your own threads.[/QUOTE]

hmm...:confused: would that affect you being able to enter the tourney if it doesn't say:question::confused:

[Onion of Mystery]

You need five posts or more to get the "Atlus Faithful" title... and before you can start creating your own threads.

hmm...:confused: would that affect you being able to enter the tourney if it doesn't say:question::confused:

No, not at all. There's a difference between being on the "Atlus Faithful" mailing list (required to participate in the tournament) and being an "Atlus Faithful" on the boards. Although we do encourage you to post, of course.

[rym]

i have no idea whats going on but i f can finaly battle some one over wi-fi im i have had no luck what so ever if any one just wants to battle for fun i dont really care whom but as ling as i can actulay fight a human

[daemons8]

@Onion of Mystery
OHHH!!!:o that makes sense.
Thanks

[rym]

"yeah i could go for that" (lucia la1) i know it don't fit but is sure to get some lols i fight any one any time i just need a time i'm all ways lookin for a la1 or la2 battle but i cant find any one

[TheMute]

Sounds good Manly Biceps, except for the maps... A height advantage isn't a big deal when Player 2 can still attack, but that is the problem right there. PLAYER 2 CANNOT EVEN ATTACK. His/her spells (and I'm talking about Ignis Blaze and Freeze Dust) just won't reach with this vast of a height difference in Colosseum of Wisdom. I guess P2 can always retreat to his/her corner of low elevation, but still...

As for Colosseum of Technic, I'm guessing you haven't even seen it before. It is stalemate-choke city! Each team is placed in the NW and SE corners and there is only one diagonal path for each corner leading to the center to a 3x3 (or even smaller) island. No team (you never know I guess...) will be smart enough to suicide to no man's land. And even if they do, they can always just plot Althea or Luna or even Josie to their respective safe corners and spam Resurrect and Revive to, yes, lengthen the match to VIRTUALLY FOREVER. I'm working with a friend to see Colosseum of Technic again so I can make a rough sketch/grid on Photoshop of it to show you what I mean.

If you want 2 hour+ matches, fine...

You're absolutely right about disconnections, but I'm just saying it would suck if you're in a middle of a close match and just broke through that chokepoint or just about to win and...

[Chewbaccaguy]

im all ready, my char are at level 30~45, now i only need to pray to get picked

[elmerfudd893]

You need five posts or more to get the "Atlus Faithful" title... and before you can start creating your own threads.

hmm...:confused: would that affect you being able to enter the tourney if it doesn't say:question::confused:

No, not at all. There's a difference between being on the "Atlus Faithful" mailing list (required to participate in the tournament) and being an "Atlus Faithful" on the boards. Although we do encourage you to post, of course.
Agreed, i got an invitation too :). But the sad part is all my characters are beefed up at level 50 and above and i forgot to keep a save as well when they were level 45..:very_sad: Oh well good luck to all you guys. May the best beastly player win.

[Doomed_Angel]

Well I'm sorry that you can't participate. Thanks for the wishing of luck, though.
I hope I get picked for this, I'm pumped.

[Ido]

I better start training a good team :devil:

[tokoshi_x]

Hopefully I get picked for this. I love the Luminous Arc series, so getting a chance to win prizes for playing a game I love is a win/win situation.

Good luck to you all!

[Thray-Sama]

Why is this tournament limited to North American players considering there's a) Still no word on an EU release and b) Quite a few people in the EU region will have a copy of the game on import so there shouldn't be any problems with EU players taking part...

[Luna]

Hmm... I wonder how many people will be entering the entry to get picked for the tourny. I want to know my odd's of getting picked =P

[Eddie Van Helsing]

Hmm... I wonder how many people will be entering the entry to get picked for the tourny. I want to know my odd's of getting picked =P

I got an invitation to the tourney via email, but I don't have a copy of the game. If I ignore the invitation, will somebody else get picked?

[Megaolix]

Regretfully, I must also turn the invitation I received down. Too much to do in RL these days and my characters are nowhere near ready.

[SephYuyX]

I got the invite today, and I just want to make sure of things.

It did not prompt me to ask for a picture of me/game/username, so I assume it will be needed after the people are picked?

And it was only a two step survey? After putting in our email and submiting, that's it for now?

[Manly Biceps]

Why is this tournament limited to North American players considering there's a) Still no word on an EU release and b) Quite a few people in the EU region will have a copy of the game on import so there shouldn't be any problems with EU players taking part...

Because of everyone's least favorite reason:

Legal concerns.

I totally wanted to open this up to the world, but I was told I could not.

[Manly Biceps]

It did not prompt me to ask for a picture of me/game/username, so I assume it will be needed after the people are picked?

Correct. No need to have you take a picture if it you aren't drawn.

And it was only a two step survey? After putting in our email and submiting, that's it for now?

Yeah. Oddly enough, there's a significant portion of the people who answered "Yes" to question 1, and then didn't fill anything in for question 2. You gotta give me an email address, or I can't contact you to let you into the tournament.

[The Fiz]

I was one of the chosen by RPGamer to receive the invite. I haven't gotten a notice from them afterwards though they have my email and Friend Code. Is there a way to make sure I've entered? I also received an invite from Atlus but I probably don't need to fill that out, correct?

Also, when is the start date? I'd like a general idea so I can put time aside. I don't think work would accept the excuse "my lovely witches must battle in a tournament." Though it should.

[Manly Biceps]

I was one of the chosen by RPGamer to receive the invite. I haven't gotten a notice from them afterwards though they have my email and Friend Code. Is there a way to make sure I've entered? I also received an invite from Atlus but I probably don't need to fill that out, correct?

Also, when is the start date? I'd like a general idea so I can put time aside. I don't think work would accept the excuse "my lovely witches must battle in a tournament." Though it should.

I only gave them one spot to give away. So, assuming you actually won a spot from them, you won THE spot from them, meaning that you better bring your A-game, or RPGamer's going to look bad to all the internets. :)

Currently, I'm planning on closing applications for entry on Monday the 12th. I'm planning on contacting everyone that day, and then starting the tournament on that Friday, the 16th.

You'll have 5 days from then to set up your match with your opponent, so that should give you plenty of FLEX-ability.

[freakcan]

I just signed up for Atlus Faithful. Hopeful I will get an invite for this tourney.

[daemons8]

I'm a very paranoid person. So if I already filled out the survey and feel very paranoid that I misspelt my e-mail, can I fill out the survey again? (stupid question but I gotta know)
Also would it affect you being picked in the tourney?

[Manly Biceps]

I'm a very paranoid person. So if I already filled out the survey and feel very paranoid that I misspelt my e-mail, can I fill out the survey again? (stupid question but I gotta know)
Also would it affect you being picked in the tourney?

If I see two very similar email addresses, I'll remove one from the list and randomize accordingly.

[elmerfudd893]

Manly Biceps you can take my name off the list. I accidentally saved over my tourney file.:very_sad: Please let another fortunate member take my spot.

[daemons8]

Thank you MB :D
Now I can get over my paranoia :)

[Lestat]

Manly Biceps you can take my name off the list. I accidentally saved over my tourney file.:very_sad: Please let another fortunate member take my spot.

that really sucks, sorry to hear that.

im hoping to get picked myself, i gotta work on my characters over the next week...

[Kaden The Zombie Lord]

OMG!! Can't believe there's a tourni actually being held for a strategy game. Gunna have shed some time from Fable and Diablo II for this.
To the victor go the spoils!...
And if I'm chosen, the victor will be me!
*evil maniacle laughter with lightning flashing in the background*

[TheMute]

I was one of the chosen by RPGamer to receive the invite. I haven't gotten a notice from them afterwards though they have my email and Friend Code. Is there a way to make sure I've entered? I also received an invite from Atlus but I probably don't need to fill that out, correct?

Also, when is the start date? I'd like a general idea so I can put time aside. I don't think work would accept the excuse "my lovely witches must battle in a tournament." Though it should.

I only gave them one spot to give away. So, assuming you actually won a spot from them, you won THE spot from them, meaning that you better bring your A-game, or RPGamer's going to look bad to all the internets. :)

Currently, I'm planning on closing applications for entry on Monday the 12th. I'm planning on contacting everyone that day, and then starting the tournament on that Friday, the 16th.

You'll have 5 days from then to set up your match with your opponent, so that should give you plenty of FLEX-ability.
http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2008/120908a.html says they have 2 seeds. :P

I also 'won' the spot from Siliconera (http://www.siliconera.com/2008/12/11/siliconera-and-atlus-present-the-luminous-arc-2-warm-up-battle/) by being the only one who entered the contest with all their requirements. I believe another user on this forum says he 'won' the other spot. Did you give Siliconera one or two seeds?

[Ianmaru]

Hey what i have to do to participate? I received the invitation but i am from Csta Rica in America.

[StrikeRaider]

Gonna have to decline the invitation sent to me.

[Svengaard]

I think I can do this.
I'm traveling atm, but I'll be back in North America by the 16th.

[CanuckGamer]

I wonder if we are even going to get 48 people for this fight :3
So far I don't see a huge rush of people joining up...

[42gami]

Were the invites already sent out? I filled out the survey but I mean the decision.

[Manly Biceps]

I wonder if we are even going to get 48 people for this fight :3
So far I don't see a huge rush of people joining up...

You'd be entirely wrong. Had this been "first come-first serve", the slots would have been filled up in under an hour.

42gami: The actual invites will be sent out this coming Monday.

[CanuckGamer]

I wonder if we are even going to get 48 people for this fight :3
So far I don't see a huge rush of people joining up...

You'd be entirely wrong. Had this been "first come-first serve", the slots would have been filled up in under an hour.

Wow. I guess everyone is just being hush-hush about it and not saying hi on the forums.

[TracySmith]

So that's what the North America restriction was for!

I am American, but not part of the North American continent, so that means I can join! Now I have to start a new game. . .

[TheMute]

Why do I feel like I'm ignored... :(

Also, is it a problem I used 2 different emails, one for my Atlus Faithful subscription and another for Siliconera seed? I just like using my personal email for serious things and another for various game forums and miscellaneous accounts that need registrations.

So that's what the North America restriction was for!

I am American, but not part of the North American continent, so that means I can join! Now I have to start a new game. . .
Other than legal stuff like MC already said, probably time zones and shipping and handling heh.

[sivant]

were we supposed to already send in proof of ownership? Or was that if we are selected?

[Manly Biceps]

Why do I feel like I'm ignored... :(

Also, is it a problem I used 2 different emails, one for my Atlus Faithful subscription and another for Siliconera seed? I just like using my personal email for serious things and another for various game forums and miscellaneous accounts that need registrations.

You don't need to send in anything if you're a SiliconEra seed. Spencer over there will forward on your email address, and you'll be included. You didn't even technically need to fill out the survey.

[freakcan]

I wonder if we are even going to get 48 people for this fight :3
So far I don't see a huge rush of people joining up...

You'd be entirely wrong. Had this been "first come-first serve", the slots would have been filled up in under an hour.

42gami: The actual invites will be sent out this coming Monday.

Really? I didn't think this game was that popular.

[Acre32]

Really? I didn't think this game was that popular.

Yeah... I can't believe that many people are in. Well, I can... but at the same time, I wonder....

I blame marketing and competition. I just don't think that many people are AWARE of Luminous Arc 2. Other than the hardcore RPG fans... maybe.

Whoa... this is a cool icon! :-D :lovefirefox:

Anyway, finally get to post! I'm training my team now, so I hope the contest is delayed a little more. I'm pretty close to lv 45, but not there yet... :o

[Lestat]

Really? I didn't think this game was that popular.

Yeah... I can't believe that many people are in. Well, I can... but at the same time, I wonder....

I blame marketing and competition. I just don't think that many people are AWARE of Luminous Arc 2. Other than the hardcore RPG fans... maybe.

Whoa... this is a cool icon! :-D :lovefirefox:

Anyway, finally get to post! I'm training my team now, so I hope the contest is delayed a little more. I'm pretty close to lv 45, but not there yet... :o

im so far away from it im in the mid 20s now so i have alot to do this weekend

[Mank]

Really? I didn't think this game was that popular.

Yeah... I can't believe that many people are in. Well, I can... but at the same time, I wonder....

I blame marketing and competition. I just don't think that many people are AWARE of Luminous Arc 2. Other than the hardcore RPG fans... maybe.

Whoa... this is a cool icon! :-D :lovefirefox:

Anyway, finally get to post! I'm training my team now, so I hope the contest is delayed a little more. I'm pretty close to lv 45, but not there yet... :o

im so far away from it im in the mid 20s now so i have alot to do this weekend

Haha, same. I don't care though, I know I'll make it. Whether or not I'll have all the extra stuff or I'm raising the right characters to have a chance at winning is up for debate, though, heh.

[Cjnchimaera]

I asked for three things for Christmas, one of which was Luminous Arc 2...And that was the only one I didn't get D: (Instead, I got two new pairs of shoes. O.o)

Unfortunately, I have to decline. T.T Maybe next time...

[Alone]

Is there a deadline to enter? I'm wondering if I'll have the time to grind everyone up to 45

[42gami]

I understand that 45 is the maximum level but is there a minimum level? I unlocked online last night so my characters aren't at a terribly high level. I'm gonna try to keep leveling them today and some tomorrow but I doubt I can get them to 45 before the tourney starts.

[Pietastic]

nooooo, i might not be able to get permission to join until tuesday the 13th!!!!

[TheMute]

I understand that 45 is the maximum level but is there a minimum level? I unlocked online last night so my characters aren't at a terribly high level. I'm gonna try to keep leveling them today and some tomorrow but I doubt I can get them to 45 before the tourney starts.
There probably isn't a minimum level, but your chances of winning will simply be lower if everyone else's chars are at 45.

I understand that 45 is the maximum level but is there a minimum level? I unlocked online last night so my characters aren't at a terribly high level. I'm gonna try to keep leveling them today and some tomorrow but I doubt I can get them to 45 before the tourney starts.
Read below.



Currently, I'm planning on closing applications for entry on Monday the 12th. I'm planning on contacting everyone that day, and then starting the tournament on that Friday, the 16th.

[Chewbaccaguy]

Im so ready for the tournament! hope all these hours grinding was worth it.
Good luck everyone.

[CanuckGamer]

It is monday! Where are the emails :D

[Rampage Ghost]

x_x; My team's not even level 30 yet so I guess I miss out.

[TomorrowHill]

So the big day has finally arrived! Has anyone out there received an invite email yet? I'm patiently (read: nervously) waiting near my inbox :)

Good luck to everyone who has entered!

-TomorrowHill-

[Lestat]

im sure it will be a little longer yet, its still early and if ur ont he pacific side which seems to be where the Atlus building is, its still even earlier. give it a few hours, im sure they will be sent out soon.

[Manly Biceps]

It is monday! Where are the emails :D

They are forthcoming.

[Rampage Ghost]

Good luck to everybody participating! Play fair so this won't be the last WiFi tournament!

[Manly Biceps]

Emails have been sent! Are you one of the lucky few who beat the odds?

Are you not a spambot?

Are you in North America?

The answer to one of these questions will be coming shortly!

One last and VERY important thing. The email went to my spam filter, so I'm assuming it's going to go there for you people that actually got in. Check your SPAM box!

[42gami]

Awww, looks like I didn't get picked then... T^T

Good luck to those who did get chosen!

[persona3rocks]

i got a message bout this i just didnt know wat is was

[Mank]

Darn. No luck, I've got nothing. Oh well.

[TomorrowHill]

Nothing here either :(

Oh well, it was worth a shot. Congrats to everyone that did get an invite. Color me envious.

[persona3rocks]

ok wait i got a mesage saying

Luminous Arc 2 Tournament
Dear Atlus Faithful Member,


We're selecting our very limited number of random participants for the Luminous Arc 2 tournament. (Prerequisites are: Owning a copy of the game, and being an Atlus forum member.)

If you meet those requirements and wish to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of various women and children, you need to finish this very short entry from.

Click here to read the full tournament rules. (Subject to updates and changes.)

Enter Here




was that the invite

[KenshinGirl]

Yay! I've been chosen to be in the tournament. Just have to take a picture of my game and everything.

[tokoshi_x]

That message was to enter the drawing in order to be selected for the tournament. You were suppose to fill out the short survey and you would then have to wait for today to see if you got selected.

Not sure what the invite message is, as I myself didn't get selected either. :(

[persona3rocks]

oh ok thanks
now im not so mad at myself

[CanuckGamer]

poo, I did not get in :P Oh well!

Hey manly biceps? Is there a waitting list for no shows or drop outs?

[Manly Biceps]

Yeah. If I don't get a response from selected entrants by Wednesday, I'll redraw to fill their spots.

[TheMute]

Hey Manly Biceps,
So was I supposed to get an email in my Siliconera email? 'Cause I didn't...

Ditto about waiting list, no shows, drop outs, or don't meet requirements.

[CanuckGamer]

Yeah. If I don't get a response from selected entrants by Wednesday, I'll redraw to fill their spots.

Sweet deal! Time to start hacking >:3
SAL coming online now, begin the purge!

[Manly Biceps]

Mute: I'm just waiting for Spencer to send me email addresses for you, and the other Siliconera member he was going to get into the tourney.

You're in the clear.

[TheMute]

Mute: I'm just waiting for Spencer to send me email addresses for you, and the other Siliconera member he was going to get into the tourney.

You're in the clear.
Awesome! Please note the email has 2 underscores (not 1)... __
Lemme post my pics too.

*EDIT*

Uh... RPGamer's Macstorm just PM'd me saying I'm representing them... But I thought you said you only gave them one spot and the other guy had it.... I guess there's an extra spot then... heh.

[tokoshi_x]

Yeah. If I don't get a response from selected entrants by Wednesday, I'll redraw to fill their spots.

There's still hope!!! Though there is no guarantee... anyway good luck to all those that were selected.

One last and VERY important thing. The email went to my spam filter, so I'm assuming it's going to go there for you people that actually got in. Check your SPAM box!

This does still bother me a bit though. Since whenever I check my e-mail I just automatically delete my spam. Wished I would have checked here first before checking my e-mail.

[daemons8]

*sniff* no e-mail:very_sad:
(hoping for a re-draw:p)

good luck to all who got picked

[Chewbaccaguy]

no email here either :very_sad:
looks like all those hour grinding were useless after all
now all i can hope for is a redraw

Oh and just curious, if you people were in the tournament and won. Which item would you guys ( and girls ) pick?

[The Fiz]

I was the other winner from RPGamer and sent Macstorm my email address. I have yet to see the tournament email either and I usually glance at my SPAM before eradicating it.

[mymerrilymemory]

I am so depressed I didn't get an invite ;_; I spent the past week grindan and grindan
/baw
here's to hoping I might get in if there's a redraw D:

EDIT: LOL NEVERMIND durr durr durr email fail

[Hya]

To the people who spent hours grinding: I envy your skills in preparation.

Words cannot express my EPIC FAIL at this moment.

I was under the impression that my party levels were in the 40s, but a quick look at my save shows that they're in the higher 20s. Wow. Just... I'd like to keysmash, but that doesn't solve much.

Well, I've got two days. Leveling isn't too hard. I think I can manage to get somewhere by then.

[Manly Biceps]

To the people who spent hours grinding: I envy your skills in preparation.

Words cannot express my EPIC FAIL at this moment.

I was under the impression that my party levels were in the 40s, but a quick look at my save shows that they're in the higher 20s. Wow. Just... I'd like to keysmash, but that doesn't solve much.

Well, I've got two days. Leveling isn't too hard. I think I can manage to get somewhere by then.

You can also hope that you get a first round bye. :)

But why leave things to chance, right?

[hikarushirou]

Really? Me? o_o; I just barely joined the ATLUS faithful (cuz I'm a loser and totally didn't know about until P4). I didn't think I'd get picked. : x Doubt I'll last long. ^^; Also hello.

iluatlus~ <3

[Manly Biceps]

Praise the randomizer! :) Seriously, I just put everyone's email address into a big list and ran the randomizer to pick 44 numbers from the list.

If we run a second tourney, I'll prioritize the folks who missed the cut this time.

[akarui]

HECK YES I CAN FINALLY POST!!! I dunno what was going on but I could NOT post at all since I joined. I changed the email address to my username and now I'm going to try and change it back to my regular email... and it didn't work
but anyways
OMG YES LUMINOUS ARC TIME BABY!!! crap I REALLY gotta level up my people! T^T *works on it right now*

for some reason my regular email address does NOT like the atlus forums T^T
susieqakarui@sbcglobal.net does NOT get activation emails from forums@atlus.com
but it receives emails from faithful and obviously manly biceps. O_o I had to use my backup email- gracelynbowen@hotmail.com for my forum email address. Is there going to be any problems with that sir?

[freakcan]

No email, sadly. Most of my good characters are level 45 though.

[Manly Biceps]

Is there going to be any problems with that sir?

As long as you respond to the email that was used to enter, it doesn't matter whether you use it for the forums or not. I just needed get a response from you.

[Chewbaccaguy]

How many participant was there for the randomizer? And is there any other way to get that Lucia card holder?:D

[daemons8]

If we run a second tourney, I'll prioritize the folks who missed the cut this time.

PLEASE!!! throw in a special item like the lucia business card holder and you will have many thanks :)

[Chewbaccaguy]

If we run a second tourney, I'll prioritize the folks who missed the cut this time.

PLEASE!!! throw in a special item like the lucia business card holder and you will have many thanks :)

I second that one.

[Mank]

If we run a second tourney, I'll prioritize the folks who missed the cut this time.

PLEASE!!! throw in a special item like the lucia business card holder and you will have many thanks :)

I second that one.

Third.

[akarui]

awesome! Did as you asked! I just gotta find some batteries for my camera.

[elmerfudd893]

If we run a second tourney, I'll prioritize the folks who missed the cut this time.

PLEASE!!! throw in a special item like the lucia business card holder and you will have many thanks :)

I second that one.

Third.

Forth, and let my beast characters in on the fun too :)

[TwilightAurora]

What about the stones that affect status: FreezeStone, ParalyStone, PoizStone, ConfuStone, and SilenStone? I think those should be banned as well.

[otaku100]

I'm going to have to drop out, because my DS is messed up.:very_sad:
THIS SUCKS!

[TheMute]

What about the stones that affect status: FreezeStone, ParalyStone, PoizStone, ConfuStone, and SilenStone? I think those should be banned as well.
When equipped with these Orbs not Stones, attacks do not 100% give the status to the enemy, so why not? If you wanna use/*cough*waste*cough* a slot for those lapis, I say, go ahead. And if you're paranoid, you always have Luna, Dia, and Rina, and can always equip your chars with Antidote, Liniment, Warmer, Lozenge, Deaddler, or Panacea.

If they do 100%, i call BS hax0r.