This game is so much better than Nocturne...

[OmniImmortal]

Anyone else agree?

[Zephyr]

I see this thread going somewhere. :roll:

[SickleCellAnemia]

This game is so much better than Nocturne...

Please tell me you are joking...

[OmniImmortal]

I'm not joking...

Nocturne was a great game and all, but I enjoyed Persona 3 so much more.

[StrikeRaider]

Honestly, P3 isn't as good. If it has any advantage its that you can use more than 3 demons(persona) for fusion. Well and that it's way longer without having you have to wade through one of the most hellish dungeons ever conceived.

[Crabman]

I haven't played enough of Nocturne (or any at all yet ^_^; ) to gather a real valid opinion. Care to elaborate?

[Kakizaki]

I'm tempted to abuse my mod powers and lock this thread.......

It is cool with me you dig P3 more than Nocturne but I couldn't disagree with you more.

[OmniImmortal]

Well see, I am one who primarily looks for good gameplay before good stories+characters and what not. I love to grind, I love lots of customization that still allows uniqueness between characters in the game(unlike FFVI), and love to explore. However, I loved how Persona 3 combined that grinding + fusing/experimenting aspect (customization) nocturne had, with a whole school life aspect (more customization). It really absorbed me into the game.

[StrikeRaider]

There's no way I can debate you anymore without getting hostile so I'm just gonna say you're wrong and leave it to the people who care.

[Kakizaki]

Well see, I am one who primarily looks for good gameplay before good stories+characters and what not. I love to grind, I love lots of customization that still allows uniqueness between characters in the game(unlike FFVI), and love to explore. However, I loved how Persona 3 combined that grinding + fusing/experimenting aspect (customization) nocturne had, with a whole school life aspect (more customization). It really absorbed me into the game.

Did you play Nocturne? Game play? It has all of the elements you just described minus the school sim, but with more skills and the ability to control your entire party.

Explore? The variety of dungeons in Nocturne and their design dwarfs those found in P3 -- not to mention the overworld in Nocturne.

[OmniImmortal]

Yes, I played Nocturne... I'm not saying it didn't have very customizable gameplay, just that it didn't have as much as P3. See, it's not just that... Nocturne focuses all around grinding+leveling+fusing, while P3 keeps that excellent part of it and throws in a completely different element into the gameplay(School Sim).

Nocturne did have more freedom in where you could go, how much you could grind, as well as not having a time limit, and some would say because of that there was more exploration available in it. However, I see the entire life simulation of P3 as what you get to explore. I just loved going through each social link, and witnessing the events that occured within each of them. I found it a nice touch that they incorporated that part of the game into the fusion system as well.

I pretty much see P3 as Nocturne+character development+ a more involving story. The only real thing Nocturne has over P3 would be difficulty really... P3 does have it's hard/frustrating moments like Nocturne though. Just not as many really. No big loss though...

[Kakizaki]

^Not to be rude, but you contradict yourself quite few times in this thread. Anyway, a lot of the stuff you mention is pretty subjective, but I guess that is what opinions are.

[OmniImmortal]

What do you mean?

By saying that I don't really care about story+character development as much as gameplay, but go on to say that I like P3 mainly because it is better in those categories than Nocturne imo?

What I mean is, a good story and character development isn't that necessary, but when it's there, it's a nice bonus.

If that's not where I'm contradicting myself, then I dunno.

Anyways, never really been good at explaining myself...

[Sei]

I think they are very different games, I really liked the Social links and story elements in P3 as well as the anime cut scenes, but overall I think I liked Nocturne better due to the story and setting.

SMT is usually very minimalistic story wise, subtly understating rather than overstating its plot elements. P3 is a lot more in your face, and there are very few things you can really miss.

I really like Fes a lot more than the vanilla P3 due to selectable difficulty.

So I disagree with P3 being better than Nocturne, but I thought it was pretty good as well, esp Fes.

Guess you are really looking forward to P4? Also, you should probably look up the Persona 2 Innocent Sin translation if you haven't yet, you'd probably like it. It has a lot of plot, and it's a lot of fun.

[OmniImmortal]

Yeah, can't wait for persona 4 to come out.

Knew it was coming out since around when 84 days were left. I think there's about 29 or so now left to go... It barely feels like 55 days have passed though.

[Sei]

Time goes by fast!. Innocent sin will help with that, trust me.

Probably my RPG of the year. Maybe. Lots of really good stuff this year.

I wonder if P4 will be full of cutscenes too. I like them, but I haven't read too much on it because I don't want to be spoiled. Same reason I try not to read the text of reviews on games I really want to buy anymore. They pretty much spoil a lot of the thing most of the time.

[Olethros]

This thread makes me miss Sayckeone and Arjuna more than ever. :very_sad:

[Sei]

You already know how that movie ends Olethros!.

[Olethros]

^ True, but some movies are worth seeing multiple times! Especially when they're of far superior quality than the drivel you're currently watching.

[illogicaldreamr]

Ohhh, boy. There should be a rule against VS. threads.

Persona 3 isn't better than Nocture, and Nocturne isn't better than Persona 3. People are just going to come in here and start arguing because one thinks one game is better than the other, when neither is true because it's what the other person prefers in a game.

[Sei]

^ True, but some movies are worth seeing multiple times! Especially when they're of far superior quality than the drivel you're currently watching.

Yeah, but it really depends on your mood. Sometimes, I feel like ultraviolent snuff films, other times, I prefer light comedies or mild dramas, or even documentaries.

[Olethros]

Mood is important, to be sure, but quality is quality regardless of genre. Dreck only serves to invite and promote more drivel.

I'll take a blunt, crass, violent, but well scripted and thought provoking film over a derivative amateur film that goes nowhere any day.

[Sei]

That's an awesome point. Heh, I laughed at this convo, thanks :). I don't have a comeback at this time, your post is just too awesome.

[Olethros]

^ Thanks. I enjoyed it quite thoroughly as well. Metaphor speak is one of my favorites! :D

[Iris]

P3's dungeon design blew. I love the game, but I kind of want to find whoever's idea it was to center it around one gigantic randomly-generated dungeon and give them a good hard noogie.

Nocturne, along with DDS1, has some of my favorite dungeon designs...well, ever, to be honest.

Granted, there's a lot more in a game that makes me like it, but in most other areas I find comparing the two to be more of a personal preference than a good vs. bad kind of issue. But in terms of the dungeons, I really think it's no contest, and considering that's where a majority of gameplay is spent...

[Sseklebeast]

Ohhh, boy. There should be a rule against VS. threads.

Persona 3 isn't better than Nocture, and Nocturne isn't better than Persona 3. People are just going to come in here and start arguing because one thinks one game is better than the other, when neither is true because it's what the other person prefers in a game.

Couldn't agree more with you :) and yes Innocent Sin is great!

[Awesomesaur]

Sorry, I'm a noob to atlus games, but this Nocturne sounds pretty interesting. Is there any way I can obtain/purchase it or find additional info? Thanks.

[Sei]

It's still available from play asia for 44.90. It was reprinted not too long ago and its certainly worth it. one of my fave RPGS of all time.

http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-b5te-71-43-49-en-15-nocturne-84-j-70-bug.html

[unknown]

You can get it for $30 here:

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=6747912&style=games

[Sei]

Nice! They seem to have a lot of deals on stuff.

[Hossaria]

This game is so much better than Nocturne...
I like your sarcasm.

[cj iwakura]

Persona 3's a good game, but Nocturne's the truest SMT experience available in the US. Dark, intense, and it's got one awesome story.

You almost can't compare the two. They have the same basic gameplay, but everything else is wildly different.

[Asellus]

Persona 3's a good game, but Nocturne's the truest SMT experience available in the US. Dark, intense, and it's got one awesome story.

You almost can't compare the two. They have the same basic gameplay, but everything else is wildly different.

I totally agree! :)

~~

Persona 3 and Nocturne are both individually strong games. It would be hard to compare the two since they both have something unique to offer to the person playing the game. In my opinion, I think it's pointless to make comparisons between two games that both have so much going for them. Wouldn't it be much better to say that one favors Persona 3 and not make the comparison at all? :/ When a person says that something is better than something else - it always leads to unwanted confrontations.

People are so confusing sometimes... :roll:

[Megedo Incubus]

:agree:Persona 3's a good game, but Nocturne's the truest SMT experience available in the US. Dark, intense, and it's got one awesome story.

You almost can't compare the two. They have the same basic gameplay, but everything else is wildly different.

I totally agree! :)

~~

Persona 3 and Nocturne are both individually strong games. It would be hard to compare the two since they both have something unique to offer to the person playing the game. In my opinion, I think it's pointless to make comparisons between two games that both have so much going for them. Wouldn't it be much better to say that one favors Persona 3 and not make the comparison at all? :/ When a person says that something is better than something else - it always leads to unwanted confrontations.

People are so confusing sometimes... :roll:


I agree with both of you. I try to look for stuff I love about each game. There are always some things that you can treasure about each game in the SMT and Persona series respectively. Trying to say one is better than the other is wrong because they are separate games altogether.:agree:

[septembervirgin]

Actually, a way to see this thread (as a game designer once noted of any dissenting threads) is a way to improve both game lines being compared to eachother.

From what I can tell, Nocturne gives a feeling of working in a city, of fighting foes, using sorcery and military utensils (y'know, knife, fork, spoon). Persona 3-4 gives the feeling of more cautious and careful approaches, a ninja game of conversation and night battles.

However, I think there should also be some element of a purer form of Megaten in Shin Megami Tensei Persona; but this needn't be redundant battles. There should be the freedom to explore the city fighting shadows, and not be confined to a tower or a television channel.

Also, there should be more factional interaction in Shin Megami Tensei. There seems to be none: and that doesn't make sense.

[Kakizaki]

^So I am going to assume you haven't played Nocturne?

Also, there should be more factional interaction in Shin Megami Tensei.I'll ask again. What SMT titles have you played? Can you be less vague about it? There were quite a few factions present in previous mainline SMT titles.

I'm fine with speculating, but I do have problems with people making assumptions or formulating opinions on the series when they have little to no experience with the vast majority of it. That isn't a knock on you. I just wish people would be a little more cautious.

[Kyo Kusanagi]

Of course it is

[Foryth]

I feel this is the kind of thread that could get me and some others banned if we commented too much...

I can't quite fathom how someone could say such a thing and be serious about it.

[Enzeru]

It's not really fair to compare the two, IMO.

[Tatsuya]

Truthfully you can't really compare nocturne to persona, the main reason is even though they are of the same series (kinda), they are so blatantly different that it comes down to a basic nitpick of each games good and bad parts.

I'll admit i prefer the persona games over the main series, but that's because i love it being in modern times heh.

[Gen Eric Gui]

but that's because i love it being in modern times heh.

Uh, the main series SMT games are modern too.

[Tatsuya]

but that's because i love it being in modern times heh.

Uh, the main series SMT games are modern too.

Not really, they are post apocalyptic.

[Olethros]

I feel this is the kind of thread that could get me and some others banned if we commented too much...

I can't quite fathom how someone could say such a thing and be serious about it.

No doubt. The temptation is great.

@Septembervirgin: I'm noticing a trend here. I hope I'm wrong. I'll hold off on saying anything more until I can observe further...

[Hitoshura]

but that's because i love it being in modern times heh.

Uh, the main series SMT games are modern too.

Not really, they are post apocalyptic.

That's still considered modern.

Anyway, no. Nocturne is far better than Persona 3. The atmosphere is amazing, the storyline is damn good, the battle system blows P3's out of the water, and it's better paced than P3.

[Kakizaki]

This thread shouldn't have been allowed to fester this long anyway. It had been dead and should have remained that way.