Record of Agarest War (PS3)

[Graus]

I'm genuinely thrilled that PSN can actually be used to push out "niché" games like this and hopefully other publishers will take their chances using PSN Store for distribution despite some users being uncomfortable with the idea of not having the actual game disk at hand.

I'll be sticking with the EU release as they are rolling out normal edition and collector's edition.

[Gen Eric Gui]

So...why are people so excited about an Idea Factory game again? This is an even more predictable cycle then the Sonic cycle.

-Idea Factory game is announced in Japan. People remember that IF games are crappy and ignore it, since it probably isn't coming to the US anyway.

-Game gets announced for US release by niche publisher. Everybody gets excited about the game!

-Game sucks. Pretty much everybody agrees that game sucks except for a handful of people who enjoy bad gameplay mechanic and think that game bugs are exciting features.

-Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

[Flußkönig]

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-Game gets announced for US release by niche publisher. Everybody gets excited about the game!


I think this is the key. Certain people seem compelled to buy niche games from niche publishers regardless of how ####ty the game or the localization ends up being.

Niche gaming culture at its worst I guess. :frown:

[rainking187]

So...why are people so excited about an Idea Factory game again? This is an even more predictable cycle then the Sonic cycle.

-Idea Factory game is announced in Japan. People remember that IF games are crappy and ignore it, since it probably isn't coming to the US anyway.

-Game gets announced for US release by niche publisher. Everybody gets excited about the game!

-Game sucks. Pretty much everybody agrees that game sucks except for a handful of people who enjoy bad gameplay mechanic and think that game bugs are exciting features.

-Wash, Rinse, Repeat.


I played the japanese demo a while ago and quite enjoyed it. This is definitely one of my more anticipated games this year. Well, providing it's released this year. I wonder if Aksys will come to their senses and release a disc version as well.

[Tatsuya]

So...why are people so excited about an Idea Factory game again? This is an even more predictable cycle then the Sonic cycle.

-Idea Factory game is announced in Japan. People remember that IF games are crappy and ignore it, since it probably isn't coming to the US anyway.

-Game gets announced for US release by niche publisher. Everybody gets excited about the game!

-Game sucks. Pretty much everybody agrees that game sucks except for a handful of people who enjoy bad gameplay mechanic and think that game bugs are exciting features.

-Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

Speak for yourself, i've been watching this game for 2 years, i even planned to purchase it this year for japanese studies until i heard it was getting a EU release.

Saying all idea factory games suck is like saying all nippon ichi games suck, laharl would like a word with you.

[Gen Eric Gui]

When I find an Idea Factory game that isn't riddled with bugs and poor -everything-, I'll let you know. I mean, hell, when even NISA says your products are too low quality (http://nintendo.joystiq.com/2008/06/10/dont-expect-spectral-force-genesis-from-nis-america/), you know you've got a problem.

And NIS hasn't done anything of note since Disgaea, which wasn't even good because it was a good game, but rather because the translation was entertaining. This became steadily more apparent as NISA started to take over the games and produce lower and lower quality translations, and the poor gameplay really got a chance to shine through.

[Tatsuya]

When I find an Idea Factory game that isn't riddled with bugs and poor -everything-, I'll let you know.

And NIS isn't that great either. Disgaea was ok(Mostly because of the translation, not the actual gameplay), but considering that they haven't done ANYTHING worth playing since then...yeah. And NISA is a joke.

Wow... that's sad,oh well, i'm not going to get into a fight with you, but saying most NIS games suck, well personally that makes you look pretty bad.

Ar tonelico, mana khemia fan here.

[Gen Eric Gui]

Those games are from Gust, not NIS.

And I fail to see how not liking what are essentially shovelware RPG's makes me look bad. I mean, you're free to enjoy them, everybody has different tastes, but just because you enjoy them doesn't mean they are good.

[slayn]

Those games are from Gust, not NIS.

NIS games that NISA localized are all at least decent, with a few crossing over into good. All other games that NISA localized are horrible, either because the game is just bad or because NISA butchers the localization.

[Crow T. Robot]

When I find an Idea Factory game that isn't riddled with bugs and poor -everything-, I'll let you know. I mean, hell, when even NISA says your products are too low quality (http://nintendo.joystiq.com/2008/06/10/dont-expect-spectral-force-genesis-from-nis-america/), you know you've got a problem.

And NIS hasn't done anything of note since Disgaea, which wasn't even good because it was a good game, but rather because the translation was entertaining. This became steadily more apparent as NISA started to take over the games and produce lower and lower quality translations, and the poor gameplay really got a chance to shine through.
haha you're definitely not the first to fell that way; I honestly enjoy Disgaea and Makai Kingdom, I also enjoy Tactical RPG's (if you can consider it as such) but to each his/her own. I respect your opinion, if we all liked the same thing then the world would be boring. I think NIS has a great way of translation though as you've mentioned. But at the same time I agree that NIS needs to step up their game.

[Graus]

Most people who bash all of Idea Factory's games usually havent even touched most of them. If they keep producing "poor" that the masses in Japan ignore. How are they still operating in green? I doubt niché groups generate enough of money for them to continue operating.

What I'm still puzzled about is how Tears to Tiara hasnt been picked up by anyone.

[Gen Eric Gui]

By your theory, no shovelware developer should ever stay in business, but they do.

The fact of the matter is, when you don't hardly spend any money developing your games, and then don't advertise them, you only have to make a very small number of sales to actually earn money on the title. That's the entire -point- of shovelware, and it's exactly what IF does. They produce low-quality games for next to no money, shovel them onto the market at record speed and wait for people who don't know any better to buy them.

You also don't seem to understand the fact that actualy quality of games has nothing to do with sales. Ico was an -amazing- game, but it hardly sold any copies. And yet Madden games sell millions and millions of copies every year despite being generally the same game with a roster update. As much as gamers don't want to admit it, shovelware games sell by the truckload because not everybody is as worried about actual quality and/or are just buying something to shut their kids up.

Think of it this way: The company that made Ninjabread Man is still in business, yet Capcom closed down Clover Studios becuse they werne't making enough money.

[LordGeo]

By your theory, no shovelware developer should ever stay in business, but they do.

The fact of the matter is, when you don't hardly spend any money developing your games, and then don't advertise them, you only have to make a very small number of sales to actually earn money on the title. That's the entire -point- of shovelware, and it's exactly what IF does. They produce low-quality games for next to no money, shovel them onto the market at record speed and wait for people who don't know any better to buy them.

So, by your theory, every game that has ever been made that's had a smaller budget behind it is shovelware? Really, your post sounds more like you're angry that titles like Ico and Clover Studios' line-up don't do well enough to back up their large budgets while lower budget titles still exist. Get over it: That's just business, some do well in relation to their budgets and others don't. Not every company has the budget that Sony, Square-Enix, Capcom, and others can give their games. You can't really compare Ninjabread Man to Idea Factory's line-up, as they are two completely different things in the end. Also, Idea Factory games are advertised in Japan, where the company has its largest audience (mainly due to their Otome games and licensed anime-based games, which do really well for them along with their Neverland series); you can't go assuming that because they're not advertised outside of Japan that Japan doesn't get ads for those games either.

Also, NISA wasn't really able say too much about Idea Factory when that remark was made since NISA chose to bring over the PSP versions of those games, which are known to be the worst versions mainly due to horrid load times; NISA chose to bring over bad ports of those titles, so they're not too bright either (and other future problems would just show it off as well). And even though NISA insulted Idea Factory, they still decided to bring over Cross Edge and more than likely will bring over Trinity Universe as well, so NISA is prone to double-talk as well.

I am a fan of Idea Factory games, but I've personally grown tired of people who just keep bashing them saying that they have never made a good game and that they are all shovelware and I just tend to ignore those people. Yes, I like games like Chaos Wars, Spectral Force 3, what I've played of Generation of Chaos (IV), and Octomania and look forward to playing Spectral Force Genesis and Cross Edge, and do hope for the Xbox 360 version of Agarest War to come over. Does that make me stupid or something? You don't have to answer as I won't care what you think.

[Gen Eric Gui]

So, by your theory, every game that has ever been made that's had a smaller budget behind it is shovelware?

I have absolutely no idea how you got that idea from my post. It doesn't even made sense, especially since "ultra-low budget" was only one of the things I mentioned. It's like saying I was talking about a duck because I said the word yellow.

You can't really compare Ninjabread Man to Idea Factory's line-up, as they are two completely different things in the end.

Yeah, you can compare them, because they're both shovelware.

I will grant you that I know nothing about the game's advertising practicies in Japan. And I never claimed to know them. I just pointed it out as a general trait of shovelware. Not every duck has the same color yellow feathers, and not every shovelware game is the same. Eat Lead: The Return of Matt Hazard was most certianly shovelware(Although it was brilliant shovelware) and it had an amazing internet ad campaign.

Also, NISA wasn't really able say too much about Idea Factory when that remark was made since NISA chose to bring over the PSP versions of those games, which are known to be the worst versions mainly due to horrid load times; NISA chose to bring over bad ports of those titles, so they're not too bright either (and other future problems would just show it off as well). And even though NISA insulted Idea Factory, they still decided to bring over Cross Edge and more than likely will bring over Trinity Universe as well, so NISA is prone to double-talk as well.

That's kind of my whole point. I'm indicating how utterly crap both companies are. Thank you for noticing.

I am a fan of Idea Factory games, but I've personally grown tired of people who just keep bashing them saying that they have never made a good game and that they are all shovelware and I just tend to ignore those people. Yes, I like games like Chaos Wars, Spectral Force 3, what I've played of Generation of Chaos (IV), and Octomania and look forward to playing Spectral Force Genesis and Cross Edge, and do hope for the Xbox 360 version of Agarest War to come over. Does that make me stupid or something? You don't have to answer as I won't care what you think.

I love it when people put words in my mouth. I never said anything about the people who play and like these games, except maybe in my first post. Everyone has a right to enjoy whatever games they like, but don't go around proclaiming games are good just because you like them. I liked Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, in fact it's one of my favorite SNES RPG's, but I'm under no delusions that it was anything even resembling a good game.

[Crow T. Robot]

So is this 'Cross Edge Dash' coming to 360 any different from 'Cross Edge' on PS3? Or are they just doing that little title change thing to make people buy it more?
I mean Idea Factory is alright, there aren't very many games I can think of that I enjoyed of their (developed and/or published). HOPEFULLY this Record or Agarest War will be good, hopefully.

[igotmy9milli]

I posted the EU movie intro if anyone is interested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M8khJGtXdg&feature=channel_page

[Crow T. Robot]

I posted the EU movie intro if anyone is interested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M8khJGtXdg&feature=channel_page
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[Pixel]

http://www.aksysgames.com/2009/11/13/record-of-agarest-war-coming-to-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-spring-2010/

That’s right folks! Record of Agarest War is now coming to your Xbox 360 as a full retail product alongside the PlayStation Network verison in the Spring of 2010. But, if you want to know what the reasons for this decision our Editor, Ben Bateman said it best…

“In truth, we had Record of Agarest War ready to go up on the PlayStation Network months ago,” [Ed.’s note: That’s a lie.] says Ben Bateman, Editor, Aksys Games, “But when a haggard man emerged from a ball of crackling energy that materialized outside our office with dire warnings from a dark future, we decided to reconsider. As it turns out, a PlayStation Network-exclusive release of Agarest was—or rather, would have been—the catalyst for World War III. The gaming community was torn apart—literally—by this apparent favoritism, and from that schism poured the infinite minions of Satan himself, the Lord of Lies. The man told us, his eyes blank with the 1000-yard stare, of the horrors of this future war. He had been sent back in time, the last hope of a desperate human resistance, to prevent what the people of this desolate future Earth called, simply, ‘The Breaking.’ As the last spark of life passed from his body, broken and battered by his journey through the time vortex, we swore to honor his final wish.”

“This is why Record of Agarest War has been delayed,” Ben continues, his eyes wet with tears, “So that we may release it on both consoles, and in doing so, save the world.”

Also, one of the best reasons you want to get the North American version is that we’ve included Trophy and Achievement support!

[Crow T. Robot]

“This is why Record of Agarest War has been delayed,” Ben continues, his eyes wet with tears, “So that we may release it on both consoles, and in doing so, save the world.”
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Why couldn't they just release it on PSN months ago like they said and then release it on 360 later?
Its been done before.
That is so stupid.

[Lorinosan]

It's been done before but have people been happy about it? Examples being: Bioshock, Eternal Sonata, Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean, etc etc. Not that 360 users paid $60 for the same game as the PS3 users whilst 360 users get screwed out of the extra content added to the PS3 version but that's pretty much what would happen. I'll bet money the PS3 users will be getting the expanded features from the Xbox 360 version. That's why the delay.

I shouldn't have to worry about which version will be better as they should all be treated equally. If you're going multi-platform, do it right or don't do it at all. This is what Aksys is trying to do and I thank them for that if it's true.

So, consider this sold to me since the 360 version gets a full retail release. I'm sure that alone will spark debates now.

[SlaughterX]

I noticed people have been importing this from the UK, so I figured that all you non-PS3 owners would be happy to know that it's also coming (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3176936) out on the 360 in spring...

[Dead to Rights]

Check the third post before yours Slaughter, now I demand you edit your post into something concerning deep dish rising crust pizza!

[slayn]

Thin crust > deep dish. Scientific fact.