Better voice acting?

[wererat42]

I read in the 1UP interview that they are going to try to hammer out some better voice-overs with better pronunciations, etc. While I didn't really mind most of P3's voices some of them could have used some work. Fuuka was supposed to have a 'soothing' voice according to Junpei but I found it grating at the best of times.

I'm hoping this post won't be flame-bait since I'm not asking something pointless like 'will there be original voiceovers". I'm also not expecting the voice acting to be anything like say, FFXII or DQVIII, but there is definitely room for improvement.

[Chronis]

I'm also not expecting the voice acting to be anything like say, FFXII

Good. If you were expecting horribly compressed sound, P4 wouldn't have been right for you.

[Futomimi]

Uh oh.

[Kakizaki]

^lol. I'm not even touching that again. Let people be misinformed.

[wererat42]

Uh, sorry, but whut? There must be some inside joke I'm not getting because my copy of FFXII sounds fine.

[Kakizaki]

^It is fine. People like to perpetuate crap they hear from others without experiencing it firsthand.

[Sayckeone]

I'm also not expecting the voice acting to be anything like say, FFXII

Good. If you were expecting horribly compressed sound, P4 wouldn't have been right for you.
I'll bite.

What exactly are you saying here?

[Greenkitty-chan]

I liked the voice acting in p3. But like the topic creater said, they could been alittle better..but i'm not coomplaining here!. I just think that P4 will be awesome xD!

[spike32]

The only voice that wasn't perfect was Fuuka's va. Vic Mignona, Tara Platt, and Michelle Ruff made a perfect cast.

[Esoteric]

I'm also not expecting the voice acting to be anything like say, FFXII

Good. If you were expecting horribly compressed sound, P4 wouldn't have been right for you.
I'll bite.

What exactly are you saying here?

He's probably talking about the low sample rate (which would make the voices sound like they were in a tin box) of some of the in-game cutscene voice acting, which, at any rate, has nothing to do with the quality of the voice actors themselves.

[masamonkey]

I really liked the voice acting in P3 too. The only one I didn't really like was, again, Fuuka, but I thought the actor was just trying to make her sound really strange to sound more like some kind of mystic type or something.

[CSXLoser]

Im just scared of what english voice they will give Kuma in P4 :shock:

[Sarukah]

Im just scared of what english voice they will give Kuma in P4 :shock:

[Sayckeone]

I think it should sound like Eek the Cat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5cLeFV3-Kc

[Asakura Yoh]

I really liked the voice acting in P3 too. The only one I didn't really like was, again, Fuuka, but I thought the actor was just trying to make her sound really strange to sound more like some kind of mystic type or something.

I agree there I liked the voice work! expect Fuuka >_< Junpei's was the best..haha since it was Edward Elric! xD Love the voice actor who does his voice work in the games and anime!! =D

[Olethros]

I think it should sound like Eek the Cat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5cLeFV3-Kc

Eek was awesome. Good call Saycke.

[RayFoxSith]

I miss my Saturday morning cartoons.

[Skyrocket]

Im just scared of what english voice they will give Kuma in P4 :shock:

Something slightly annoying would be fitting.

[spike32]

FFXII has good voice acting, just bad quality sometimes. But I agree, it has nothing to do with the voice actors themselves, it was one of Kari Wahlgren's best roles. Fuuka I agree wasn't that great, but everyone else was better than most video games voice acting. Karen Strassman may be debatable in this role, but she was a robot. I don't understand how you can say Vic Mignona did a bad job, especially when he won awards for being the best voice actor around. You don't have to agree with that, I don't even agree with that, but he is good.

[CSXLoser]

Im just scared of what english voice they will give Kuma in P4 :shock:

Something slightly annoying would be fitting. i find it the most annoying when he says "kuma" 2-3 times in one sentence. he's like a prinnie that says "dood" at the end of every sentence jeez.

I suppose he is meant to be annoying so maybe Atlus USA can make it...less annoying as well.

[spike32]

gah, I hate those kinda characters, that's why I like Shin Megami Tensai games, cause they don't have characters like that. Persona 4 doesn't look to me like a dark game like the others unfortunately. I'm still gonna give it a shot though.

[DamnedToBeFree]

I have a feeling they'll make Kuma british.

[Chronis]

I'm also not expecting the voice acting to be anything like say, FFXII

Good. If you were expecting horribly compressed sound, P4 wouldn't have been right for you.
I'll bite.

What exactly are you saying here?

He's probably talking about the low sample rate (which would make the voices sound like they were in a tin box) of some of the in-game cutscene voice acting, which, at any rate, has nothing to do with the quality of the voice actors themselves.

Yeah that's what I meant... I wasn't thinking actual voice actor quality, I was thinking sound quality.

[naotome]

Heh, most unexpected it may be Mona Marshall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Marshall) who will turn out to be Kuma's voice. I mean she's not a bad cohice at all.

Again...

I suppose he is meant to be annoying so maybe Atlus USA can make it...less annoying as well.

Hopefully......

Johnny Yong Bosch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Yong_Bosch) as Yousuke Hanamura ?

[Sayckeone]

Persona 4 doesn't look to me like a dark game like the others unfortunately. I'm still gonna give it a shot though.
3 really wasn't all that dark either.

[Chronis]

Despite that most of the game takes place during the Dark Hour...

[Sayckeone]

The dark hour was lame. OMG COFFINZ IN THE STREETZ! SO DARK AND SCARY!

[Voodoo]

The coffins were the best thing P3 had.

[Gen Eric Gui]

A "dark" game doesn't actually have to be physically dark. Think of how many horror movies are set with colorful clowns as villains. As long as the subject matter is dark, it's a dark game.

The coffins may not have been particularly grim, but the concept of people "dying" nightly was.

[Arjuna]

Dark is serial murderers, historical icons being resurrected, horrifying curses, fighting demons, and horrible rumors becoming a reality. P3 is anything but dark compared to other SMT and Persona games.

Dating sims, going to school, doing positive things on a daily basis is dark? You fight shadows and some of the most horribly designed enemies I have ever seen. Where the #### are the demons, conversations, and contracts?

I still to this day cannot believe I actually finished P3, I literally forced myself to stay up and just grind through it. I never had that kind of feeling with other MegaTen games, it was a terrible feeling that I hope P4 loses. From the looks of it already, it seems it will maintain that.

[Inzaghi]

Dark is serial murderers, historical icons being resurrected, horrifying curses, fighting demons, and horrible rumors becoming a reality. P3 is anything but dark compared to other SMT and Persona games.

Dating sims, going to school, doing positive things on a daily basis is dark? You fight shadows and some of the most horribly designed enemies I have ever seen. Where the #### are the demons, conversations, and contracts?

I've tried to argue this with you before to no avail, but it's late and I can't sleep so I might as well have another go at it. And I'm going to be putting in some heavily spoilers, so those of you who haven't finished P3, just scroll on down to the next post.

If we're limiting "dark" to the terms you define up top, then okay, you win. P3 can't be the game you want. (Although I will point out that P3 has its share of serial murders with Takaya's revenge request website, you sign a contract with Death at the beginning of the game, and "horrible rumors becoming reality" shows up in P3 in a way that I'll get to in a minute, so it might just be that you need to look closer instead of writing the storyline off so easily.)

But if you expand your idea of "darkness" a bit, what I love about P3 as opposed to the first two games--great though they are--is how committed P3 is to the concept of "inside evil" rather than "outside evil." True, P3 has no Nyarlathotep manipulating and twisting mankind to get his way. But what makes P3 so dark is that it doesn't need him; mankind is going down the drain just fine without him. Instead of fighting demons, creatures who assault humans from some other plane, you're fighting Shadows, each one of which is a human who lost control of his suppressed thoughts and literally turned into a monster. (You see this happen near the start of the game, and the extra chapter in FES confirms it.) And the ultimate villain, Nyx, didn't instigate the whole mess--she's there because humanity collectively wished for her, after becoming so tired of life that they started to long for annihilation, a process that Takaya's Nyxism cult speeds up. As horror writer Warren Ellis once noted, nothing's scarier than what ordinary human beings can do to one another.

And in P3, that includes you. It's you who eggs Kenji on to enter a doomed relationship with his teacher, you who tells Kazushi not to seek treatment for ignore the injury that could cripple him for life, you who suggests to Maiko that she run away from home instead of talking to her estranged parents. P3 shows the nasty side of what "Persona" really means: putting on a different face for everyone you know in order to get along in the world, reflecting their own self-destructive desires back at them. Just because there's daily social interaction, school clubs to attend, and people to date doesn't mean that side of the game is necessarily positive.

I'm not a newcomer to the SMT series, and I think I've been playing it for as long as most here have (since the release of Revelations: Persona in the US). And even so, I think Persona 3 gets a really unfair rap around these parts for people who only take it at a surface level. There's a lot going on in the game's storyline and scenario that most people don't acknowledge. If you're already aware of all this and still don't think it meets your personal standards of "dark," fair enough. But don't sell it short, because it does have a lot to offer longtime SMT fans as well as those who only started with this game. (Who also get an unfair rap, it seems to me--someone was buying all those copies of Nocturne that put it at #1 for PS2 sales on Amazon the other day!)

[Arjuna]

Ok I am just going to say this right now, those who plan on playing P2 IS/EP, just stop reading right here, since Inzaghi didn't mention any spoilers for that. heh





















You seriously aren't comparing how screwed up mankind is in Sumaru City as opposed to P3? Did you forget the cults? The Masked cult that worshipped everything written in In-Laqetti? The NWO in Eternal Punishment? Though they wanted different things, NWO was also a cult (like in P3) that worshiped Gozen, that wanted to cleanse (purge) the world by using the dragons. In the end the leader of that cult Tatsuzou Sudou was deceived along with it's followers and they were either turned into demons or died a painful death at the hands of those demons. It's this kind of dark, ####ed up deception I am talking about that made me love P2. Not to mention the genius mastermind behind it all as you mentioned. To add insult to injury the person you thought you could trust even deceives you, it's brutal, it's ####ed up, and it really got to me.

P3 does have it's social, optional "dark" deception, but it's not the same at all. Cheating on a girl, getting a toddler to run away, or telling someone to go hit on that teacher isn't exactly my idea of that. The whole cult and people with apathy syndrome weren't really shown on screen or detailed as much as the NWO were. You didn't get any epic confrontations or fight at their headquarters or at the end of a dungeon. You just fight the same lame ass Strega trio/duo, grind through the same tower and don't get to explore any of the city in depth. You're stuck with an almost seemingly endless randomly generated dungeon.. great.

I'm glad P3 is getting people into older MegaTen games so they can see the light, but this particular direction Persona is heading has really disappointed me as a result.

Edit: Sorry for delving into this more than I should have, I was just really damn bored.

[Sayckeone]

A "dark" game doesn't actually have to be physically dark.
No ####.

[Sseklebeast]

*minor spoiler*




It is you who cheats on all his girlfriends and almost gets caught during that one school clean up scene.

That made me laugh a lot though ;o

[miruki]

Johnny Yong Bosch would be awesome. :>

[raum215]

I think it should sound like Eek the Cat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5cLeFV3-Kc

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[Raidou11]

But if you expand your idea of "darkness" a bit, what I love about P3 as opposed to the first two games--great though they are--is how committed P3 is to the concept of "inside evil" rather than "outside evil." True, P3 has no Nyarlathotep manipulating and twisting mankind to get his way. But what makes P3 so dark is that it doesn't need him; mankind is going down the drain just fine without him. Instead of fighting demons, creatures who assault humans from some other plane, you're fighting Shadows, each one of which is a human who lost control of his suppressed thoughts and literally turned into a monster. (You see this happen near the start of the game, and the extra chapter in FES confirms it.) And the ultimate villain, Nyx, didn't instigate the whole mess--she's there because humanity collectively wished for her, after becoming so tired of life that they started to long for annihilation, a process that Takaya's Nyxism cult speeds up. As horror writer Warren Ellis once noted, nothing's scarier than what ordinary human beings can do to one another.

I wouldn't say P3 isn't a dark game, but it is more casual when compared to the other megaten games and spinoffs. The thing about "persona" is that it is the same entity as shadows, but the only differences is that people with the potential can control their own "shadow" and name it "persona", whereas people who lost control of their hatred and angst became shadows. Sounds rather confusing, but the manifestations of the shadows formed Erebus in Episode Aegis. Thus, P3 can also be considered a "dark" game. I agree with you.

And to expand on it a little.. Takaya's Nyxism cult is actually a typical religion in which its believers would be saved, while its non-believers would not be saved. However, the truth was that getting saved and not getting saved means the same thing, people end up losing control of themselves, turning into shadows or joining the lost (apathy).

I haven't finished playing Persona 2, so I wouldn't know much about NWO. But still, that doesn't make P3 any "light" when compared to previous megaten games. All "megaten" games are dark, unless you take P3 at the surface level.

[Arjuna]

But if you expand your idea of "darkness" a bit, what I love about P3 as opposed to the first two games--great though they are--is how committed P3 is to the concept of "inside evil" rather than "outside evil." True, P3 has no Nyarlathotep manipulating and twisting mankind to get his way. But what makes P3 so dark is that it doesn't need him; mankind is going down the drain just fine without him. Instead of fighting demons, creatures who assault humans from some other plane, you're fighting Shadows, each one of which is a human who lost control of his suppressed thoughts and literally turned into a monster. (You see this happen near the start of the game, and the extra chapter in FES confirms it.) And the ultimate villain, Nyx, didn't instigate the whole mess--she's there because humanity collectively wished for her, after becoming so tired of life that they started to long for annihilation, a process that Takaya's Nyxism cult speeds up. As horror writer Warren Ellis once noted, nothing's scarier than what ordinary human beings can do to one another.

I wouldn't say P3 isn't a dark game, but it is more casual when compared to the other megaten games and spinoffs. The thing about "persona" is that it is the same entity as shadows, but the only differences is that people with the potential can control their own "shadow" and name it "persona", whereas people who lost control of their hatred and angst became shadows. Sounds rather confusing, but the manifestations of the shadows formed Erebus in Episode Aegis. Thus, P3 can also be considered a "dark" game. I agree with you.

And to expand on it a little.. Takaya's Nyxism cult is actually a typical religion in which its believers would be saved, while its non-believers would not be saved. However, the truth was that getting saved and not getting saved means the same thing, people end up losing control of themselves, turning into shadows or joining the lost (apathy).

I haven't finished playing Persona 2, so I wouldn't know much about NWO. But still, that doesn't make P3 any "light" when compared to previous megaten games. All "megaten" games are dark, unless you take P3 at the surface level.

It will when you actually play and beat Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment.

[spike32]

Persona 4 doesn't look to me like a dark game like the others unfortunately. I'm still gonna give it a shot though.
3 really wasn't all that dark either.

I agree, P3 wasn't as dark as I would've liked it to be. I just meant Persona 4 kinda looks dumb, like a Disgaea type of game, not Shin Megami Style at all. Digital Devil Saga was a thousand times more dark than Persona 3.

[Raidou11]

Persona 4 doesn't look to me like a dark game like the others unfortunately. I'm still gonna give it a shot though.
3 really wasn't all that dark either.

I agree, P3 wasn't as dark as I would've liked it to be. I just meant Persona 4 kinda looks dumb, like a Disgaea type of game, not Shin Megami Style at all. Digital Devil Saga was a thousand times more dark than Persona 3.

Edited: The thing about P3 is that the game is more focused on Tartarus, social link maxing, and to some degree, sort of like Riviera. DDS on the other hand follows the traditional "megaten" trend and style. The Persona series is a spinoff and so, it should be different. Personally, I prefer the Persona games better, but I guess old megaten gamers prefer the traditional megaten series a lot more.

[James Fiend]

*SPOILERS ABOUND*






What made P3 dark to me was how personal the game was. When my mother got eaten by a demon in the first SMT game, it was over the top and goofy. I liked it, but in the same way I like low budget horror movies. The demon conversations and characters were sort of corny and comic bookish.

Sort of the same thing with Raidoh Kuzunoha. There were occult elements and serial murder, but the dialogue was often light, and the demon conversation/interaction was over the top and sometimes humorous.

I like DDS but the game had too much of a sci fi cyberpunk feel to be all that dark for me.

I never got to play Persona 1 and 2 (though I would jump at the chance), but in Persona 3, the dark elements are more subdued. It is much creepier to me that my schoolmates become drooling shells than a demon taunting me about eating my mom. Demon negotiating and contracts are fun, but making the demons so anthropomorphic takes the creepiness factor down. The idea that demons dwell in our psyche, waiting to be unleashed, is darker to me than the idea that demons want my money.

[Sayckeone]

Edited: The thing about P3 is that the game is more focused on Tartarus, social link maxing, and to some degree, sort of like Riviera. DDS on the other hand follows the traditional "megaten" trend and style. The Persona series is a spinoff and so, it should be different. Personally, I prefer the Persona games better, but I guess old megaten gamers prefer the traditional megaten series a lot more.
Persona is no more a spin off than DDS is.

[LadyRayna]

*SPOILERS ABOUND*






What made P3 dark to me was how personal the game was. When my mother got eaten by a demon in the first SMT game, it was over the top and goofy. I liked it, but in the same way I like low budget horror movies. The demon conversations and characters were sort of corny and comic bookish.

Sort of the same thing with Raidoh Kuzunoha. There were occult elements and serial murder, but the dialogue was often light, and the demon conversation/interaction was over the top and sometimes humorous.

I like DDS but the game had too much of a sci fi cyberpunk feel to be all that dark for me.

I never got to play Persona 1 and 2 (though I would jump at the chance), but in Persona 3, the dark elements are more subdued. It is much creepier to me that my schoolmates become drooling shells than a demon taunting me about eating my mom. Demon negotiating and contracts are fun, but making the demons so anthropomorphic takes the creepiness factor down. The idea that demons dwell in our psyche, waiting to be unleashed, is darker to me than the idea that demons want my money.

I really don’t think you should reduce SMT1 to only one moment and demon negotiation. You have to see the whole picture instead of only a part of it. P2 Innocent Sin, for example, has many funny moments, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a dark game.

[Kakizaki]

^No doubt. He pretty much just glossed over all of the serious moments.

[Raidou11]

*SPOILERS ABOUND*






What made P3 dark to me was how personal the game was. When my mother got eaten by a demon in the first SMT game, it was over the top and goofy. I liked it, but in the same way I like low budget horror movies. The demon conversations and characters were sort of corny and comic bookish.

Sort of the same thing with Raidoh Kuzunoha. There were occult elements and serial murder, but the dialogue was often light, and the demon conversation/interaction was over the top and sometimes humorous.

I like DDS but the game had too much of a sci fi cyberpunk feel to be all that dark for me.

I never got to play Persona 1 and 2 (though I would jump at the chance), but in Persona 3, the dark elements are more subdued. It is much creepier to me that my schoolmates become drooling shells than a demon taunting me about eating my mom. Demon negotiating and contracts are fun, but making the demons so anthropomorphic takes the creepiness factor down. The idea that demons dwell in our psyche, waiting to be unleashed, is darker to me than the idea that demons want my money.

I really don?t think you should reduce SMT1 to only one moment and demon negotiation. You have to see the whole picture instead of only a part of it. P2 Innocent Sin, for example, has many funny moments, but that doesn?t mean it?s not a dark game.

I believe the funny and fun moments in P2 would be times spent among teammates. The dark times are the ones spent dealing with enemies, demons, and the Joker.

I find the Deja Vu boy and Maya to be rather cute, but the incidents involving the Joker is rather creepy. What's up with the bloody paper bag face :shock:

[Gen Eric Gui]

And in P3, that includes you. It's you who eggs Kenji on to enter a doomed relationship with his teacher, you who tells Kazushi not to seek treatment for ignore the injury that could cripple him for life, you who suggests to Maiko that she run away from home instead of talking to her estranged parents. P3 shows the nasty side of what "Persona" really means: putting on a different face for everyone you know in order to get along in the world, reflecting their own self-destructive desires back at them. Just because there's daily social interaction, school clubs to attend, and people to date doesn't mean that side of the game is necessarily positive.

Holy ####. I never thought about it that way before.

Damn. That's kinda ####ed up.

[Sei]

Well, the people doing the IS translation states: "Oh, and I’m playing Persona 4 (also bought the official guide, just in case). Finally, Atlus made a decent Persona sequel. Forget about that crap called Persona 3: No. 4 is the game"

I really liked 3 but I didn't really like what I've seen of 3 so far, however I would take this to mean that 4 is quite good. I'm day one'ing it.

I appreciated Atlus releasing Fes, and should there be a similar thing for P4 and it wasn't possible to make it the first release we get, I'd pick that up too.

I hope it has a selectable difficulty from the start, too. The original P3 was easy enough to be a bit tedious. Fes solved that nicely. (Edit: Just read the list of changes, I guess it does, nice.)

[James Fiend]

*SPOILERS ABOUND*






What made P3 dark to me was how personal the game was. When my mother got eaten by a demon in the first SMT game, it was over the top and goofy. I liked it, but in the same way I like low budget horror movies. The demon conversations and characters were sort of corny and comic bookish.

Sort of the same thing with Raidoh Kuzunoha. There were occult elements and serial murder, but the dialogue was often light, and the demon conversation/interaction was over the top and sometimes humorous.

I like DDS but the game had too much of a sci fi cyberpunk feel to be all that dark for me.

I never got to play Persona 1 and 2 (though I would jump at the chance), but in Persona 3, the dark elements are more subdued. It is much creepier to me that my schoolmates become drooling shells than a demon taunting me about eating my mom. Demon negotiating and contracts are fun, but making the demons so anthropomorphic takes the creepiness factor down. The idea that demons dwell in our psyche, waiting to be unleashed, is darker to me than the idea that demons want my money.

I really don’t think you should reduce SMT1 to only one moment and demon negotiation. You have to see the whole picture instead of only a part of it. P2 Innocent Sin, for example, has many funny moments, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a dark game.I can't comment on P2 because I never got to play P1 or P2. I just gave an example of something "dark" that happens in SMT1 that I don't think was intentionally funny. As far as the demon negotiations and all that, that pretty much makes up the game so I don't think I'm glossing over anything more than people who claim S. Links ruin the the feel of P3.

[Kakizaki]

^If you think that is the only qualm people have, then you haven't fully read / paid attention to everything people were taking issue with.

No one oversimplified P3 in that manner, and no one claimed that demon negotiations were the only thing that gave the older SMT titles their distinctive feel.

[Sayckeone]

Please ignore him. He just started posting here, so he has no real idea of what any of our complaints are, nor would he understand them. He'll just shoot back about how dark and creepy(it's not creepy) P3 is and how great what MT has become is. And then we'll fire back about how he has no idea what neither we are talking about, or what he's talking about. Then he'll come and say....BLAH BLAH BLAH. IT'S LIKE A ####ING BROKEN RECORD.

[Baddbear]

I have not been posting here very long, but I try to read about a subject as much as I can to get some education on a matter before talking about it. So, I now feel ready to 'weigh in' a little bit on this subject. If I am wrong, or way off-base, feel free to correct my errors.

I will start off by stating that I have not played the earlier megaten games. I am not new to Atlus - an older ps1 game entitled 'Thousand Arms' introduced me to Atlus - but I am new to the megaten series. In time I would like to remedy this and catch up with the older titles; I am one of those cases who, after playing P3, gained interest in all that came before. Until that time though, P3 is the only experience I have had.

From what I have read and heard about the older games, I have to agree that Persona 3 seems drastically different. Different, to me, doesn't mean 'bad', but I can see how it would upset fans of the series who are expecting an entry similar to what came before. Those who are upset have valid complaints - for example, if I purchased a 'Legend of Zelda' game that utilized a turn-based battle system and didn't take place in Hyrule, I wouldn't be a happy camper. This is a point it seems a lot of newcomers don't understand, and it seems to cause a lot of tension.

That being said, Persona 3 as a standalone game is absolutely excellent. It is a quality experience from start to finish, and it IS dark. But it is a very 'different' dark than its predecessors. The previous games seem to have concepts and atmosphere that are demonic and mystical and 'taboo', whereas Persona 3 is extremely psychologically disturbing. One will make you look twice at shadows - the other will keep you up at night thinking about the motives behind shared interactions (amongst other things).

The differences are so significant that they really can't be compared accurately. But none of it is 'light' content.

[James Fiend]

^If you think that is the only qualm people have, then you haven't fully read / paid attention to everything people were taking issue with.

No one oversimplified P3 in that manner, and no one claimed that demon negotiations were the only thing that gave the older SMT titles their distinctive feel.Where did I say it was the only qualm people had or accused anyone of oversimplifying? I'm not going to evaluate every single aspect of every game to appease you. I contributed my share of opinion about the things I considered most important to the atmosphere of each game.

@Sayckeone
What is with this "we" ####? He doesn't know what "our" complaints are? I don't remember talking to you once in this thread. I don't know or care what your complaints are about Persona 3, you are just another guy on a message board. Your post count means #### to me, my job as a "new poster" is not to address your complaints and get into line with how you feel about the series.

[Sayckeone]

^You're boring the #### out of me, pal. You're seriously one of the weakest noobs to come around in some time.

[James Fiend]

^You're boring the #### out of me, pal. You're seriously one of the weakest noobs to come around in some time.Ugh, my feelings.

[Raidou11]

^You're boring the #### out of me, pal. You're seriously one of the weakest noobs to come around in some time.Ugh, my feelings.

Chill out dude.. Remember, that is Castro!

There is really no need to be flaming each other over a video game.

[James Fiend]

^You're boring the #### out of me, pal. You're seriously one of the weakest noobs to come around in some time.Ugh, my feelings.

Chill out dude.. Remember, that is Castro!

There is really no need to be flaming each other over a video game.I'm chilled. You will never catch me flaming someone without being provoked.

[raum215]

And in P3, that includes you. It's you who eggs Kenji on to enter a doomed relationship with his teacher, you who tells Kazushi not to seek treatment for ignore the injury that could cripple him for life, you who suggests to Maiko that she run away from home instead of talking to her estranged parents. P3 shows the nasty side of what "Persona" really means: putting on a different face for everyone you know in order to get along in the world, reflecting their own self-destructive desires back at them. Just because there's daily social interaction, school clubs to attend, and people to date doesn't mean that side of the game is necessarily positive.

I saw none of this as dark. Rather, it was the theme of Lux in Tenebris, or Light in Darkness that played heavily in Persona 3. In Persona 3, which has tenchnical annoyances for me, I see a lot of psychology and esotericism.

As far as egging on Kenji, Kaz, and Maiko - I saw that as you being the person they needed (with no regard of good or evil) for them to become stronger in themselves. This required a purity of self that is a firm as the strong compassion of not presuming what you do for another is good or evil, outside their personal context. Much like you agree to be responsible for your own actions, you initiate that self-determinism in them, which allows them to cultivate their own archetypal energy in a way you can manifest it, as a conduit.

I think instead of Darkness, what I see in SMT games that I have played are elements of "Divine Tragedy." The inherent corruption of the material, in overt esoteric analogy. The ritual murder, serial killer and shadow cult elements are not dark... they are life under a fictional microscope. Right when I wrote this a newcaster in the background reported a woman was caught in crossfire in Philadelphia, and killed in front of her 3 year old child. A tragedy, very similar to how dark Ken's backstory would be, if he were a real person. But that wasn't dark at all, huh?

[Raidou11]

I guess nobody remember the darkest thing about Persona 3 FES. Remember those lengthy and annoying summer lectures you are forced to take, thanks to Mitsuru-senpai. Well, Edogawa-sensei went to mythology teachings and like I say, it was lengthy. That took about 30 minutes reading or possibly more. It was a detailed mythological lesson. Actually, I don't remember it that much, because on my 2nd and 3rd playthroughs. I actually skip right through it, aiming for the max social link thing only.

[raum215]

I guess nobody remember the darkest thing about Persona 3 FES. Remember those lengthy and annoying summer lectures you are forced to take, thanks to Mitsuru-senpai. Well, Edogawa-sensei went to mythology teachings and like I say, it was lengthy. That took about 30 minutes reading or possibly more. It was a detailed mythological lesson. Actually, I don't remember it that much, because on my 2nd and 3rd playthroughs. I actually skip right through it, aiming for the max social link thing only.

His 9/11 lecture is on John Dee. Absolute brilliance in that one.

I loved Edogawa's lectures as a whole but that one was totally relevant to my interests.

[Kakizaki]

Where did I say it was the only qualm people had or accused anyone of oversimplifying?

As far as the demon negotiations and all that, that pretty much makes up the game so I don't think I'm glossing over anything more than people who claim S. Links ruin the the feel of P3.

[Skyrocket]

^You're boring the #### out of me, pal. You're seriously one of the weakest noobs to come around in some time.Ugh, my feelings.

Chill out dude.. Remember, that is Castro!

There is really no need to be flaming each other over a video game.

And yet thousands of game geeks worldwide spend time doing it every day. Time that they could spend playing games. :roll:

[Dissent]

Kind of funny that this thread has turned into thematic changes people would like to see in the persona series while the thread about changes we'd like to see in persona 4 has a lot of talk about voice over stuff.

[Arjuna]

Ugh I wish voice overs didn't exist period so these people wouldn't bitch about it.

[James Fiend]

Where did I say it was the only qualm people had or accused anyone of oversimplifying?

As far as the demon negotiations and all that, that pretty much makes up the game so I don't think I'm glossing over anything more than people who claim S. Links ruin the the feel of P3.My point was that neither I nor anybody else was oversimplifying. Both are valid points.

I don't know why "the darkness" is starting to become interpreted as "which game is better" because I don't shop at Hot Topic. I enjoy the originals as much as the new ones, in different ways.

[Kakizaki]

I don't know why "the darkness" is starting to become interpreted as "which game is better" because I don't shop at Hot Topic.

:roll: Wow, nice generalization.....

[Sayckeone]

Yeah, I thought that was pretty ridiculous myself.

[raum215]

I would compare the darkness in SMT to Lovecraft more than Hot Topic.

I feel like Hot Topic is a toy store, with alot of toys you wear... not dark.

[Kakizaki]

^Exactly.

[Isx]

Ugh I wish voice overs didn't exist period so these people wouldn't bitch about it.But then they'd find something else to bitch about.

[Raidou11]

Ugh I wish voice overs didn't exist period so these people wouldn't bitch about it.But then they'd find something else to bitch about.

Exactly. And that is why the voice-overs should be kept and never removed. :)

[LadyRayna]

Ugh I wish voice overs didn't exist period so these people wouldn't bitch about it.But then they'd find something else to bitch about.

Exactly. And that is why the voice-overs should be kept and never removed. :)

At least if there was no voice-over we wouldn't have to see the same threads with the same comments zillions of times.

[Kakizaki]

^No doubt.

[Sayckeone]

Some games benefit from voice overs, such as God of War. Some games benefit from no voice overs such as Shin Megami Tensei. As long as developers can make a distinction, we'll all be OK.

[Raidou11]

Ugh I wish voice overs didn't exist period so these people wouldn't bitch about it.But then they'd find something else to bitch about.

Exactly. And that is why the voice-overs should be kept and never removed. :)

At least if there was no voice-over we wouldn't have to see the same threads with the same comments zillions of times.

Actually, people would probably make threads about another SMT feature with the same comments a zillion times. And if that feature gets removed, there will be something else. In the end, megaten games have no nice features. LOL!

[Arjuna]

God of War's voice overs are very fitting. Hearing Kratos's grunts while playing and insults towards godlike figures in cutscenes is ####ing awesome. Hearing someone in Persona 3 use an honorific on a dog isn't. It's just retarded.

However it has inspired me, I think I will call my dog King-chan!

Seriously that panel.. honorifics add feeling? Feeling that not all of us understand? I still don't understand the meaning of every honorific so why add them? You could retain that meaning by telling the voice actor to try to reach a certain tone when saying the character's name, or saying bro, sis, bud, or anything other than honorifics.

Also in b4 you tell me to Google the meanings.

[Isx]

Yeah, I don't like the honorifics, either.

I know what they all mean, but I still don't like them. It just sounds awkward.

[James Fiend]

I don't know why "the darkness" is starting to become interpreted as "which game is better" because I don't shop at Hot Topic.

:roll: Wow, nice generalization.....Thanks. Does the idea that people who shop at Hot Topic value aesthetics over function really offend you, or are you just looking to argue with absolutely anything I say?

[Constraint]

Persona 3's voice acting was superb.

[Kakizaki]

^Nope. I just think it is a piss poor generalization that embodies the fact you truly don't understand peoples' qualms in differentiating the older SMT titles from the newer ones -- so once again, you choose to oversimplify the matter.

Arguing? If you don't like it, don't respond. Wasn't that your advice? Jeez....

[James Fiend]

^Nope. I just think it is a piss poor generalization that embodies the fact you truly don't understand peoples' qualms in differentiating the older SMT titles from the newer ones -- so once again, you choose to oversimplify the matter.

Arguing? If you don't like it, don't respond. Wasn't that your advice? Jeez....I thought the differentiation was that the earlier games were way more open-ended, way more customizable and offered a much greater challenge. Does my perception of which is darker and why really have anything to do with how you feel about the games?

[Kakizaki]

Games? No. Pigeon-holing fans? Yes.

[James Fiend]

Games? No. Pigeon-holing fans? Yes.Pigeon-holing fans? What are you talking about? I said I don't particularly value aesthetics over function, and I don't assume anyone else here does either. A darker game doesn't mean it's a better game. If you think it does, you're pigeon-holing yourself.

[Kakizaki]

^You totally don't get what I am saying. I was simply saying your Hot Topic comment was a pretty lame generalization or at least the implication was.

I never even commented on this whole 'dark' thing.

[James Fiend]

^You totally don't get what I am saying. I was simply saying your Hot Topic comment was a pretty lame generalization or at least the implication was.

I never even commented on this whole 'dark' thing.Generalization of what, exactly? And tell me how it relates to "pigeon-holing" fans.

[Kakizaki]

^The implication that those individuals that place importance on the aesthetic values of the game, particularly those involving dark atmosphere, must shop at HT.

[James Fiend]

^The implication that those individuals that place importance on the aesthetic values of the game, particularly those involving dark atmosphere, must shop at HT.That's an awful lot for an implication, not to mention false logic. I said that I don't shop at Hot Topic which was a folksy way of saying that comparing aesthetics was not the be-all end-all. The fact that you are now trying to take me to task over my views on Hot Topic in a thread about persona 4 says more than anything.

I mean it's not as if there are people here who insult others simply for their taste in video games.

[Kakizaki]

^Mmmm, not really. It isn't as if I was the only one who saw it that way. I can't help it if your message was very unclear -- and to be honest, still is.

[James Fiend]

^Mmmm, not really. It isn't as if I was the only one who saw it that way. I can't help it if your message was very unclear -- and to be honest, still is.Yes, you and Sayckeone both pointing out something you don't like about my post, that's a real consensus and not two people who turn my posts into thread-jacking flamewars consistently.

My message was and is completely clear. My opinion; Persona 3 is darker. That doesn't mean I think it's better (having been accused of supporting Persona 3 and disliking the originals by someone who ironically sulks anytime someone dares "judge him even though they don't know him").

[Rednusander]

^ While I appreciate that the two of you haven't turned your discourse into a sparring match of four letter internet acronyms, if you still feel the need to resolve this, consider taking it to the off-topic thread.

[Sayckeone]

Dude, you lumped people who think the old games were darker in with people who shop at Hot Topic. It was indirect, and maybe it wasn't your intention, but it sure as hell came across that way. It was ridiculous. For one, Hot Topic is not dark. It's asinine garbage for moronic teenagers. Second, prefering the more occult themes of older Megami Tensei has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with Hot Topic. Just bringing that store up was stupid and it's entirely irrelevent.

And no one said a darker game is better. Like I said earlier, you have no clue what our complaints are. There have been light hearted Megami Tensei games before, but they had the core elements that make the series what it is. Recent entries are quickly losing that.

[James Fiend]

Dude, you lumped people who think the old games were darker in with people who shop at Hot Topic. It was indirect, and maybe it wasn't your intention, but it sure as hell came across that way. It was ridiculous. For one, Hot Topic is not dark. It's asinine garbage for moronic teenagers. Second, prefering the more occult themes of older Megami Tensei has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with Hot Topic. Just bringing that store up was stupid and it's entirely irrelevent.

And no one said a darker game is better. Like I said earlier, you have no clue what our complaints are. There have been light hearted Megami Tensei games before, but they had the core elements that make the series what it is. Recent entries are quickly losing that.I agree with everything you posted here and haven't said anything otherwise. I think Persona 3 is darker for the reasons I stated, but the originals featured a lot of horror elements as well. I never remotely compared either game with hot topic nor hot topic with being "dark." Hot topic is often attributed to subcultures who base all importance on how they look. If you HAD to compare one of the game series with hot topic for some reason, it would easily be the Persona series anyway. Let's drop the Hot Topic nonsense now before the mods suspend us.

I have never since being on this forum made a comparison between the quality of the original games and Persona. I also have never addressed anybody's complaints about the old games vs the new. This thread is about which one is darker and I posted my opinion. I've played pretty much all of the games you've listed as favorites including the original SMTs and Etrian Odyssey I and II, but if you want to continue labeling me as someone who only cares about new Persona games, that's alright anyway.

[Skyrocket]

Yeah, I don't like the honorifics, either.

I know what they all mean, but I still don't like them. It just sounds awkward.

Keeping honorifics in has proven to be a hit with manga and god knows the hardcore otaku love them. Since a lot of those people are also the sort who'd go for a game that's as Japanese as P3 I can see why they'd keep them.

Of course, I've lived in Japan so hearing honorifics is pretty much water off a duck's back for me.

[raum215]

Yeah, I don't like the honorifics, either.

I know what they all mean, but I still don't like them. It just sounds awkward.

Keeping honorifics in has proven to be a hit with manga and god knows the hardcore otaku love them. Since a lot of those people are also the sort who'd go for a game that's as Japanese as P3 I can see why they'd keep them.

Of course, I've lived in Japan so hearing honorifics is pretty much water off a duck's back for me.

I heard honorifics. I just don't remember seeing them in romaji every where. Honestly, I think if they spoke them in the audio, but they were not in the voice bubbles, i would be ok with that. Would be confusing as hell to other people, I bet.

Were the audio japanese, I would have no problem at all. It would sound totally natural, if a bit overused cause I don't remember everyone using names so much to talk to people. Addressing a person was usually by attention, not by calling their name. could have just been where I was, though. (Yokosuka)

[Arjuna]

Yeah but hearing and reading honorific is a lot different IMO. When you hear them with plain English they just sound stupid. How about all of us on the message board use honorifics on each other from now on? :P

[Voodoo]

Yeah but hearing and reading honorific is a lot different IMO. When you hear them with plain English they just sound stupid. How about all of us on the message board use honorifics on each other from now on? :P

Why would we do that Al-kun?

[Arjuna]

Voodoo-chan you need to understand the meaning of honorifics, when I add it, it truly means something. So I hope you appreciate it.

[Voodoo]

LOL

[Sayckeone]

Yeah but hearing and reading honorific is a lot different IMO. When you hear them with plain English they just sound stupid. How about all of us on the message board use honorifics on each other from now on? :P
I fully ####ing support this.

[Arjuna]

I thank you Sayckeone-sensei.

Also sensei, those pills just made me so tired, you also didn't tell me to take them before, during or after my drinks! Some sensei you are! :P

lol it did make me feel really tired though.

[Sayckeone]

Before, obviously. :P Also, like I said, they intensify the effects of alcohol. One of which is drowsiness.

[raum215]

my honorific is MEGATON.

raum-megaton has spoken.

[DamnedToBeFree]

my honorific is MEGATON.

raum-megaton has spoken.

Fail.

[Esoteric]

my honorific is MEGATON.

raum-megaton has spoken.

Fail.

[Sayckeone]

my honorific is MEGATON.

raum-megaton has spoken.

Fail.

[Olethros]

my honorific is MEGATON.

raum-megaton has spoken.

Fail.

[Voodoo]

my honorific is MEGADORK.

raum-megadork has spoken.

Fail.

Win.

[DamnedToBeFree]

LOL

[RayFoxSith]

my honorific is MEGADORK.

raum-megadork has spoken.

Fail.

[SickleCellAnemia]

my honorific is MEGADORK.

raum-megadork has spoken.

Fail.

[unknown]

my honorific is MEGADORK.

raum-megadork has spoken.

Fail.

[Skyrocket]

How about all of us on the message board use honorifics on each other from now on? :P

Let's not and say we did.

[Saishu]

In unknown's avatar, Aigis is a quote train!

[spike32]

Wow, how did this thread get so off-topic, lol. Has there been any confirmations on a voice cast yet? I'd find it so funny if you people who thought the dub for p3 was horrible suggested an anime voice cast list.

[John Freeman]

Sorry for keeping this off-topic, but how in the world can you convey the same effect without honorifics? Leaving them out just removes the intended effect and translating them sounds even more awkward. I mean, what sounds more awkward coming from an English speaker: Mitsuru-sempai or Upperclasswoman Mitsuru? Yukari-chan or Dear Yukari? Young male friend or acquaintence Ken or Ken-kun? Things like this often convey how personal the relationships are. Saying "This is my friend, Fuuka" is less personal and close than "This is Fuuka-chan", because it implies that you're close enough to Fuuka to refer to her in that manner.

It's not about appealing to "hardcore otaku" or whatever. It's actually good work on Atlus's part for keeping the translation as close as possible to the original. They could avoid the problem by never releasing the game in English and just making everyone learn Japanese, so that all the intended effects and language puns and nuances can remain intact, but that's fairly unreasonable, no?

I hope this stays in the English vocal tracks of Persona 4 and pretty much every game that's as Japanese as these games have been. You're playing as Japanese high school students at a Japanese high school on an island in Japan that deal with Japanese people who speak in Japanese. You're not playing as knights in Ivalice. You're not playing as bounty hunters in Chicago. Because of this, it matters.

On a similar note, I think that the recent release of undubs is pretty stupid, especially for an Atlus title like Persona 3 FES. Atlus goes to great lengths to cleverly and uniquely localize their games, which sometimes changes character dialogue. Because of this, the vocal track doesn't always match what is being said, which renders the "undub" completely worthless. Hell, even Junpei's nicknames for Yukari (Yuka-tan) and Chidori (Chidorita) are changed (Yukaricchi and Chidorin), and I'll tell you from personal experience: I've seen ridiculous drama spawn from fansub groups that don't get this right.

[Sei]

Sorry for keeping this off-topic, but how in the world can you convey the same effect without honorifics? Leaving them out just removes the intended effect and translating them sounds even more awkward. I mean, what sounds more awkward coming from an English speaker: Mitsuru-sempai or Upperclasswoman Mitsuru? Yukari-chan or Dear Yukari? Young male friend or acquaintence Ken or Ken-kun? Things like this often convey how personal the relationships are. Saying "This is my friend, Fuuka" is less personal and close than "This is Fuuka-chan", because it implies that you're close enough to Fuuka to refer to her in that manner.

It's not about appealing to "hardcore otaku" or whatever. It's actually good work on Atlus's part for keeping the translation as close as possible to the original. They could avoid the problem by never releasing the game in English and just making everyone learn Japanese, so that all the intended effects and language puns and nuances can remain intact, but that's fairly unreasonable, no?

I hope this stays in the English vocal tracks of Persona 4 and pretty much every game that's as Japanese as these games have been. You're playing as Japanese high school students at a Japanese high school on an island in Japan that deal with Japanese people who speak in Japanese. You're not playing as knights in Ivalice. You're not playing as bounty hunters in Chicago. Because of this, it matters.



I agree. It pretty much sums how I feel. I like the honorifics. If the choice is between this and totally screwing up the game in a terrible attempt to westernize it (Revelations: Persona) I'll take the honorifics every time.

[LadyRayna]

Sorry for keeping this off-topic, but how in the world can you convey the same effect without honorifics? Leaving them out just removes the intended effect and translating them sounds even more awkward. I mean, what sounds more awkward coming from an English speaker: Mitsuru-sempai or Upperclasswoman Mitsuru? Yukari-chan or Dear Yukari? Young male friend or acquaintence Ken or Ken-kun?

Actually it wouldn't be Upperclasswoman Mitsuru, but Mitsuru only. Same goes for Yukari and Ken. In P2 Maya is sometimes referred as Miss Amano, so I think that's what Atlus would have done had they chose to remove honorifics.

I do agree that honorifics are very meaningful and, TBH, they don't particularly bother me. However, take into account that I'm learning Japanese so I'm used to using them.

[Arjuna]

Exactly what I was going to point out Lady Rayna, thanks for making that point though. Persona 2 was a damn good example of not using honorifics.

[Futomimi]

English speaker: Mitsuru-sempai or Upperclasswoman Mitsuru? Yukari-chan or Dear Yukari? Young male friend or acquaintence Ken or Ken-kun?

They sound equally awkward to me.

[raum215]

Sorry for keeping this off-topic, but how in the world can you convey the same effect without honorifics?

The funny thing is we convey these same effects all the time, through inflection and idiom.

Leaving them out just removes the intended effect and translating them sounds even more awkward. I mean, what sounds more awkward coming from an English speaker: Mitsuru-sempai or Upperclasswoman Mitsuru? Yukari-chan or Dear Yukari? Young male friend or acquaintence Ken or Ken-kun?[quote]

As I understand it:

Ken-kun sounds like the dumbest thing ever without a Japanese accent. It should be Ken-Chan regardless of gender because of his age and the particular parental aire the S.E.E.S. team expresses toward him. By all account, it should be Mitsuru-Joshi, because of her social status and influential family of which she is the only legacy heiress. Akihiko would likely be be "O-ni-san", or "big brother", because he is the senior male.

[quote]Things like this often convey how personal the relationships are. Saying "This is my friend, Fuuka" is less personal and close than "This is Fuuka-chan", because it implies that you're close enough to Fuuka to refer to her in that manner.

In Japanese it is not conventional to just offer the first name of another, and they would be expected to introduce themselves.

[John Freeman]

The funny thing is we convey these same effects all the time, through inflection and idiom.
Well then, please redub the game with inflection and idiom, for I would like to hear your take on it.

As I understand it:

Ken-kun sounds like the dumbest thing ever without a Japanese accent. It should be Ken-Chan regardless of gender because of his age and the particular parental aire the S.E.E.S. team expresses toward him. By all account, it should be Mitsuru-Joshi, because of her social status and influential family of which she is the only legacy heiress. Akihiko would likely be be "O-ni-san", or "big brother", because he is the senior male.

In Japanese it is not conventional to just offer the first name of another, and they would be expected to introduce themselves.
Now you're just arguing semantics. Don't Japanese people work on the translations for these games as well? I think they'd know best, to be honest. But really, I'm curious, which comes first? Seniority in the education system or seniority in society? Definitely something to consider.

[Voodoo]

Do the Japanese even use honorifics when speaking english? Ive never heard them but maybe someone else has.

[Futomimi]

No Japanese person I've ever met has. And there are a lot of them at school.

Personally, I thought there was just enough inflection in most of the dialogue, and most of the VA (Fuuka is an exception) were pretty good. It's also kind of an insult to my intelligence to assume that the "r-tard American" isn't going to understand intercharacter relationships without honorifics that are overused and sound incredibly awkward in English.

[Arjuna]

Do the Japanese even use honorifics when speaking english? Ive never heard them but maybe someone else has.

Nope, my college is full of Japanese people and I haven't heard of them use any when speaking English. Come to think of it I can't even recall hearing it in Japanese.

[raum215]

Well then, please redub the game with inflection and idiom, for I would like to hear your take on it.

For which dialect of English? We call each other "man", "cuz", "girl" and all kinds of terms of endearment and social indication, based on different regions and conventions. Japan has those distinctions as well.

Now you're just arguing semantics. Don't Japanese people work on the translations for these games as well? I think they'd know best, to be honest. But really, I'm curious, which comes first? Seniority in the education system or seniority in society? Definitely something to consider.

Japanese language IS all about semantics.

In Japanese society, you have a class system that is an ALWAYS relevant pecking order, and infuses the entire speech pattern of these interactions in "Keigo", and that social distinction definitely comes first. But it is mistaken to think all Japanese people are polite, and important to understand insincere politeness is often not different than what we call passive agressive manipulation.

Also, honorifics are the smallest part of keigo, the three tiered formality of Japanese, and without the other word distinctions, particularly verbs, that would be as nonsensical in English as the use of honorifics that are applied to romaji names in english dialogue. They are hardly effective, and become some kind of conventional nickname.

For me, it's not a deal breaker if they are there, but honestly, they have simplified the whole system to where it really has no meaning outside of fandom.

[John Freeman]

I understand what you're saying. I mean, I know about how the Japanese language works and all, and I think I'm mostly speaking out of annoyance, since I usually deal with ignorant people in regard to the subject. I'm glad that I can have a civil discussion as far as this is concerned. I'm learning things. :)

Well, again, I'm pretty sure that Japanese individuals are involved in the translation process, so I think that this judgment call as far as honorifics and what-not are concerned definitely had a native influence. It's probably just another one of those "lost in translation" deals that is just copied awkwardly no matter what, like replicating an Osakan accent with a Southern US accent.

I guess it doesn't really bother me that much as a whole, you know?

Oh, in regard to Fuuka's VA, I've talked to people about her, and the final conclusion many of us came up with is that she took a long time trying to establish herself as Fuuka, which is why her stuff later in the game and in The Answer come off so much more smoothly than when you first meet her. Personally, I'll miss her in my battles in P4.

[raum215]

I understand what you're saying. I mean, I know about how the Japanese language works and all, and I think I'm mostly speaking out of annoyance, since I usually deal with ignorant people in regard to the subject. I'm glad that I can have a civil discussion as far as this is concerned. I'm learning things. :)

Nah, for me this is not about just being annoyed. It's about being cnfused while I am trying to learn Keigo, as part of my Japanese studies.

Well, again, I'm pretty sure that Japanese individuals are involved in the translation process, so I think that this judgment call as far as honorifics and what-not are concerned definitely had a native influence. It's probably just another one of those "lost in translation" deals that is just copied awkwardly no matter what, like replicating an Osakan accent with a Southern US accent.

My point is out of the last voluntary studies in correct Keigo, more than 40% of Japanese people, especially those under the ago of 20 could not get more than 2 questions right. They are not exactly standard anymore, especially among the kind of crowd in S.E.E.S.

I guess it doesn't really bother me that much as a whole, you know?

I can shrug it off, but it bugs me on and off while I play. I would not say I don't appreciate's ATLUS USA's efforts to bring us fantastic games any less because they choose to do this, but it is done in a simplistic way that would offend alot of people who do use Keigo proficiently and correctly.

Oh, in regard to Fuuka's VA, I've talked to people about her, and the final conclusion many of us came up with is that she took a long time trying to establish herself as Fuuka, which is why her stuff later in the game and in The Answer come off so much more smoothly than when you first meet her. Personally, I'll miss her in my battles in P4.

Personally, I simply do not need a sports announcer giving a play-by-play in my ear the whole time I am exploring. ESPECIALLY where the sequence is the same over and over, and most of it is evident in the combat animations. Occasionally, it was endearing. Mostly it was just badly layered over the hip-hop battle song. I don't really blame Fuuka's VA for this. I vote for an option to gag Fuuka in Tartarus.

[Dim Locator]

I've tried to argue this with you before to no avail, but it's late and I can't sleep so I might as well have another go at it. And I'm going to be putting in some heavily spoilers, so those of you who haven't finished P3, just scroll on down to the next post.

If we're limiting "dark" to the terms you define up top, then okay, you win. P3 can't be the game you want. (Although I will point out that P3 has its share of serial murders with Takaya's revenge request website, you sign a contract with Death at the beginning of the game, and "horrible rumors becoming reality" shows up in P3 in a way that I'll get to in a minute, so it might just be that you need to look closer instead of writing the storyline off so easily.)

But if you expand your idea of "darkness" a bit, what I love about P3 as opposed to the first two games--great though they are--is how committed P3 is to the concept of "inside evil" rather than "outside evil." True, P3 has no Nyarlathotep manipulating and twisting mankind to get his way. But what makes P3 so dark is that it doesn't need him; mankind is going down the drain just fine without him. Instead of fighting demons, creatures who assault humans from some other plane, you're fighting Shadows, each one of which is a human who lost control of his suppressed thoughts and literally turned into a monster. (You see this happen near the start of the game, and the extra chapter in FES confirms it.) And the ultimate villain, Nyx, didn't instigate the whole mess--she's there because humanity collectively wished for her, after becoming so tired of life that they started to long for annihilation, a process that Takaya's Nyxism cult speeds up. As horror writer Warren Ellis once noted, nothing's scarier than what ordinary human beings can do to one another.

And in P3, that includes you. It's you who eggs Kenji on to enter a doomed relationship with his teacher, you who tells Kazushi not to seek treatment for ignore the injury that could cripple him for life, you who suggests to Maiko that she run away from home instead of talking to her estranged parents. P3 shows the nasty side of what "Persona" really means: putting on a different face for everyone you know in order to get along in the world, reflecting their own self-destructive desires back at them. Just because there's daily social interaction, school clubs to attend, and people to date doesn't mean that side of the game is necessarily positive.

I'm not a newcomer to the SMT series, and I think I've been playing it for as long as most here have (since the release of Revelations: Persona in the US). And even so, I think Persona 3 gets a really unfair rap around these parts for people who only take it at a surface level. There's a lot going on in the game's storyline and scenario that most people don't acknowledge. If you're already aware of all this and still don't think it meets your personal standards of "dark," fair enough. But don't sell it short, because it does have a lot to offer longtime SMT fans as well as those who only started with this game. (Who also get an unfair rap, it seems to me--someone was buying all those copies of Nocturne that put it at #1 for PS2 sales on Amazon the other day!)

Never knew an electric Bouzouki could be so terrifying... :lol:

[iammako3]

I know I'm late to the party on all the honorifics, but I thought I'd join anyway.

Honestly? I like them in the dub. However, I know what they mean (I can imagine someone who's never studied Japanese might be thinking "WTF?"). Yes, sometimes the delivery in English is awkward, and yes, if they were Japanese people speaking English they probably wouldn't use them in real life. Still, adding the honorific at the end of a name adds to showing the relationship between the characters. When it's "Minato"-san, the relationship is formal and slightly distanced (or it's just a very serious conversation). "Minato"-chan shows a friendship and familiarity. "Minato"-kun shows familiarity but also adds a different level of respect. And adding -sensei after a teacher's (or doctor's) name shows respect for that person's position. And so on, and so forth.

While it's true voice acting alone can also show this, there are text only portions (and also bad acting — though not too much in this game) that really benefit from the adding of honorifics. I think being an anime fan for so long (watching things subtitled unless it only comes in dub) and studying Japan (the language and the country) in college has made those kind of things normal for me though, so I can't speak for anyone else.

Aaaaaaaand that's my 2 cents! ^_^

[spike32]

Yuri Lowenthal, Tara Platt, and Karen Strassman got casted for Persona 4, so most of you are going to be pissed :D But you know why they did, cause they're awesome. Shame they didn't cast Michelle Ruff and Vic Mignona. And Yuri Lowenthal is gonna have more than 2 words this time :D :D :D Johnny Yong Bosch got shafted and is the silent main character though :(

[dragonlife29]

Karen Strassman <3 Come on, isn't it obvious why? :D
Tara Platt <3 I was amazed to learn that she was Mitsuru AND Dr. Blaylock! (Apparently)

Totally irrelevant, but...Dr. Blaylock <3

No Michelle Ruff? :( How do you know who's been cast and who hasn't...?

[sora4126]

Karen Strassman <3 Come on, isn't it obvious why? :D
Tara Platt <3 I was amazed to learn that she was Mitsuru AND Dr. Blaylock! (Apparently)

Totally irrelevant, but...Dr. Blaylock <3

No Michelle Ruff? :( How do you know who's been cast and who hasn't...?

'Scuse me Brother, but you forgot "Yuri Lowenthal <3" He's friggin Dr. Stiles!! And so many more amazing things!!

[unknown]

Personally, I simply do not need a sports announcer giving a play-by-play in my ear the whole time I am exploring. ESPECIALLY where the sequence is the same over and over, and most of it is evident in the combat animations. Occasionally, it was endearing. Mostly it was just badly layered over the hip-hop battle song. I don't really blame Fuuka's VA for this. I vote for an option to gag Fuuka in Tartarus.

Agreed, if it happened once in a while, it wouldn't be as annoying.

Though for some reason I don't mind ADA's commentary in ZOE2

[sora4126]

Personally, I simply do not need a sports announcer giving a play-by-play in my ear the whole time I am exploring. ESPECIALLY where the sequence is the same over and over, and most of it is evident in the combat animations. Occasionally, it was endearing. Mostly it was just badly layered over the hip-hop battle song. I don't really blame Fuuka's VA for this. I vote for an option to gag Fuuka in Tartarus.

Agreed, if it happened once in a while, it wouldn't be as annoying.

Though for some reason I don't mind ADA's commentary in ZOE2
Let's hope they either change it, or gave Rise a very good voice actress... or very awkwardly funny.

[spike32]

Mind you this info is from Wikipedia, but most of the times they are pretty good for voice casts. The only times you really can't trust them is for a fighting game like Soul Calibur 4 (saying Crispin did the voice for Siegfried is bulls*it)

[dragonlife29]

Karen Strassman <3 Come on, isn't it obvious why? :D
Tara Platt <3 I was amazed to learn that she was Mitsuru AND Dr. Blaylock! (Apparently)

Totally irrelevant, but...Dr. Blaylock <3

No Michelle Ruff? :( How do you know who's been cast and who hasn't...?

'Scuse me Brother, but you forgot "Yuri Lowenthal <3" He's friggin Dr. Stiles!! And so many more amazing things!!No, I didn't forget to include him...

He's got a lot of talent, but my tolerance for him in almost every one of my games (exaggeration, of course) is getting a bit much. Honestly, though, it's not like I don't like the guy--he's great =)

And yeah, even though he does do Derek ( <3 ), I much prefer Markus <3 GOD! His voice was so perfect.

OM NOM NOM NOM

:D

Atlus definitely needs to cast MOAR Troy Baker <3

[spike32]

Karen Strassman <3 Come on, isn't it obvious why? :D
Tara Platt <3 I was amazed to learn that she was Mitsuru AND Dr. Blaylock! (Apparently)

Totally irrelevant, but...Dr. Blaylock <3

No Michelle Ruff? :( How do you know who's been cast and who hasn't...?

'Scuse me Brother, but you forgot "Yuri Lowenthal <3" He's friggin Dr. Stiles!! And so many more amazing things!!No, I didn't forget to include him...

He's got a lot of talent, but my tolerance for him in almost every one of my games (exaggeration, of course) is getting a bit much. Honestly, though, it's not like I don't like the guy--he's great =)

And yeah, even though he does do Derek ( <3 ), I much prefer Markus <3 GOD! His voice was so perfect.

OM NOM NOM NOM

:D

Atlus definitely needs to cast MOAR Troy Baker <3

Nope, what they need to cast is more Crispin Freeman and Kari Wahlgren :D

[dragonlife29]

Kari Wahlgren <3

Crispin Freeman...I haven't heard him in games in a while.

[videogamegal08]

Karen Strassman <3 Come on, isn't it obvious why? :D
Tara Platt <3 I was amazed to learn that she was Mitsuru AND Dr. Blaylock! (Apparently)

Totally irrelevant, but...Dr. Blaylock <3

No Michelle Ruff? :( How do you know who's been cast and who hasn't...?

It hasn't been confirmed who has been cast and who hasn't. It's all speculation right now. We only know who Yuri is playing. A lot of people think Tara is playing Margaret based on the interview clip, but I don't think so. Why would they cast her in a voice role so similar to Mitsuru? ALSO, I just don't think it sounded like Tara, but that's just me. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

[James Fiend]

Kari Wahlgren <3

Crispin Freeman...I haven't heard him in games in a while.
He almost always gets cast as Oda Nobunaga in Koei Japan simulation games. That's where I keep hearing him lately.

[iammako3]

Kari Wahlgren <3

Crispin Freeman...I haven't heard him in games in a while.
He almost always gets cast as Oda Nobunaga in Koei Japan simulation games. That's where I keep hearing him lately.

He was Baldur in Too Human. . . which I didn't play (I went the PS3 route). Still, that's a recent video game he's been in!

[spike32]

Karen Strassman <3 Come on, isn't it obvious why? :D
Tara Platt <3 I was amazed to learn that she was Mitsuru AND Dr. Blaylock! (Apparently)

Totally irrelevant, but...Dr. Blaylock <3

No Michelle Ruff? :( How do you know who's been cast and who hasn't...?

It hasn't been confirmed who has been cast and who hasn't. It's all speculation right now. We only know who Yuri is playing. A lot of people think Tara is playing Margaret based on the interview clip, but I don't think so. Why would they cast her in a voice role so similar to Mitsuru? ALSO, I just don't think it sounded like Tara, but that's just me. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

sorry but which interview clip?

[videogamegal08]

This is the interview clip I'm referring to. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRZiSD-sBGM) You can hear Margaret in the very last 10 seconds of the clip.

She sounds similar to Tara, but I don't think it's Tara. It's someone different.

[sora4126]

She sounds just like Mitsuru though, so I'm gonna say it's Tara til proven otherwise.

[unknown]

I can't tell who is doing her voice based on that clip, sound quality isn't that good. =\

[videogamegal08]

unknown - I agree. You can sort of tell it's similar, but you can't tell it's for sure Tara. To me, it doesn't sound like it is Tara. Just someone with a similar vocal pitch. I played the clip next to a Mitsuru clip and they don't sound like the same person.

Who knows. It's hard to tell from just that little bit.

[dragonlife29]

GAAAAAH!!!!

That link just ruined for me who the gay character is!

THANKS A FREAKIN' LOT!

[sora4126]

GAAAAAH!!!!

That link just ruined for me who the gay character is!

THANKS A FREAKIN' LOT!


Whatta you mean? If it's too much of a spoiler, message me.

[dragonlife29]

GAAAAAH!!!!

That link just ruined for me who the gay character is!

THANKS A FREAKIN' LOT!



Whatta you mean? If it's too much of a spoiler, message me.Well, if you don't see it, it's better for you to not find out =/ But if you're wondering, it was on the similar videos section =/.

*sigh* And I really wanted to find out for myself =(

EDIT: Well, actually, maybe I'm just overreacting =/ I didn't understand the circumstances in the video (I said, "Well, #### it; may as well see), but I'm certainly not in the dark as I was before.

[sora4126]

GAAAAAH!!!!

That link just ruined for me who the gay character is!

THANKS A FREAKIN' LOT!



Whatta you mean? If it's too much of a spoiler, message me.Well, if you don't see it, it's better for you to not find out =/ But if you're wondering, it was on the similar videos section =/.

*sigh* And I really wanted to find out for myself =(
Ohhh, I thought you meant like voice actor or something. I didn't think it was just Kanji in general. I could say something about that, but I'll wait until after you either play or find out more.

[spike32]

I don't think its Tara either unfortunately :( Then again, its extremely hard to tell with the quality. Maybe she didn't need to be in this one, since Yuri finally isn't playing the silent main character. Btw, the silent main character is DEFINITELY Johnny Yong Bosch.

[videogamegal08]

spike32 - glad you think so too. Maybe I'm not totally crazy.

I don't think it's unfortunate though. Fresh voices are nice and from the little we can hear, she sounds good. Maybe Tara will play a different type of role? That'd be cool. We still don't know whose who yet besides Yuri!

[sora4126]

spike32 - glad you think so too. Maybe I'm not totally crazy.

I don't think it's unfortunate though. Fresh voices are nice and from the little we can hear, she sounds good. Maybe Tara will play a different type of role? That'd be cool. We still don't know whose who yet besides Yuri!

And Johnny Yong Bosch. That protagonist is definitely him.

[spike32]

spike32 - glad you think so too. Maybe I'm not totally crazy.

I don't think it's unfortunate though. Fresh voices are nice and from the little we can hear, she sounds good. Maybe Tara will play a different type of role? That'd be cool. We still don't know whose who yet besides Yuri!

I can tell when its the Bosch man, and when he said Persona, it was 100% obvious to me it was him :D I only wish I met the guy after Persona 4 came out instead of before, i would've loved to get that signed :P

[Crisis]

They seem okay, but some of the pronounciation was butchered ... (Inaba)
Some of the voice already do not seem to match the characters.

Chie: Too deep, needs to be a little more perky ... her battle cries seem alright so far.
Yukiko: Again too deep, she naturally has a soft regal-esque voice. Stephanie Sheh would fit her better.

Those are my 2-cents as of right now.

[OmniImmortal]

Eh, I think they're both fine...

The only real thing that I thought was weird was how Yukiko pronounced Inaba. Ah w/e.

[massaker]

I don't know what all the complaining is about with the voice acting. It's fine.

I especially liked Junpei and Mitsuru in P3.

[StrikeRaider]

Am I the only who is just happy that you can at least listen to them for more than 10 seconds without wishing you could go deaf on the spot?

Junpei was AWESOME. So was Akihiko.

[Crisis]

Eh, I think they're both fine...

The only real thing that I thought was weird was how Yukiko pronounced Inaba. w/e.

Ah yes, in-ah-ba. >_>;

[Rikuo]

I love the voices. After all it is Atlus. They have a better VA choicing than most other out there besides namco-Bandai. At the most i found a voice to be Iffy if Not good.
In P3 there were times were Fuuka just..weirded me out :S
P4- Inaba....so they can fix that it's simple. But it's just one word it's not like the whole games pronunciation will die off right there.
Chie- It's not too deep. It's just what a girl sounds like in English. No big deal. her VA actually you know tries to act the role and she does it very well. Same with Yukiko.

[Xfraze]

Off hand...

I think I might be the only person alive who enjoyed the voice acting for Fuuka.

Edit: For those of you who say changes should be made to the current P4 VA cast...I'm 100% certain it is impossible to make any changes, or very many of them at least, at this point.

[Rikuo]

Off hand...

I think I might be the only person alive who enjoyed the voice acting for Fuuka.

You are not alone! I enjoyed Fuuka's voice too. I just say some weird things from time to time...but i realized that that was the fault of me not having Auto Advance on.

[videogamegal08]

spike32 - glad you think so too. Maybe I'm not totally crazy.

I don't think it's unfortunate though. Fresh voices are nice and from the little we can hear, she sounds good. Maybe Tara will play a different type of role? That'd be cool. We still don't know whose who yet besides Yuri!

We were right, spike 32. It's not Tara. It's an actress named Michelle Ann Dunphy. Looks like she's newer. She's done a few anime shows from what I can see by looking around.

[riku2replica]

somehow, i hope they will let players to choose either japanese voicing with english subtitle or english voicing with english subtitles. Why? The game has some nice japanese seiyuu voicing the game this time.:D

[iammako3]

somehow, i hope they will let players to choose either japanese voicing with english subtitle or english voicing with english subtitles. Why? The game has some nice japanese seiyuu voicing the game this time.:D

They won't. There's not enough space on the disc for both tracks.

For the record? I would take P4 as a 2 disc game just to fit that track on there. Would that work?

[Skyrocket]

somehow, i hope they will let players to choose either japanese voicing with english subtitle or english voicing with english subtitles. Why? The game has some nice japanese seiyuu voicing the game this time.:D

Plus, the number of gamers who actally want to listen the game in Japan isn't as big as some people think it is. The people who crow a JP voice track are really just a loud minority.

[evilmegaman]

loud minority.

beautifully put sir.


Video game fans seem to be the loudest when citing their issues. everybody needs to know they have a problem.


often, you'd think a game is outright god awful, but the people who like something just don't have any reason to say anything.

[Olethros]

somehow, i hope they will let players to choose either japanese voicing with english subtitle or english voicing with english subtitles. Why? The game has some nice japanese seiyuu voicing the game this time.:D

Plus, the number of gamers who actally want to listen the game in Japan isn't as big as some people think it is. The people who crow a JP voice track are really just a loud minority.


This is quite possibly the most intelligent thing I've read on here in quite some time. You, good sir, are now my favorite newish poster!

[sora4126]

:agree: Pretty good stuff.

[owen-c]

Also, it's good that they seem to have taken out the honorifics. That was my only real complaint about the P3 localization, it sounded really silly to have honorifics in the dub. I thought the dub voices were excellent though.

I was a bit jarred by first impressions but I imagine I will get used to the voices when playing the game and have a better impression. Anyway, I think it's a balance since some of the Japanese voices (Rise) were pretty grating from my little exposure to them.

[unknown]

The honorifics are still there.

[spike32]

spike32 - glad you think so too. Maybe I'm not totally crazy.

I don't think it's unfortunate though. Fresh voices are nice and from the little we can hear, she sounds good. Maybe Tara will play a different type of role? That'd be cool. We still don't know whose who yet besides Yuri!

We were right, spike 32. It's not Tara. It's an actress named Michelle Ann Dunphy. Looks like she's newer. She's done a few anime shows from what I can see by looking around.

good to see I can still spot out voices :D

Personally, I don't like Chie's voice, sounds like shes trying too hard, I hope I at least grow to stand the voice.

[Zeta_Nova]

I wish the people of GameFAQs would here this coming from you guys :). Because when something goes wrong, they'd think that their whole world is crumbling.

somehow, i hope they will let players to choose either japanese voicing with english subtitle or english voicing with english subtitles. Why? The game has some nice japanese seiyuu voicing the game this time.

You're asking for something really impossible. Because as compared to 360 or PS3. PS2's media is limited. And it only has room for one vocal track.

[Inzaghi]

I wish the people of GameFAQs would here this coming from you guys :). Because when something goes wrong, they'd think that their whole world is crumbling.

somehow, i hope they will let players to choose either japanese voicing with english subtitle or english voicing with english subtitles. Why? The game has some nice japanese seiyuu voicing the game this time.

You're asking for something really impossible. Because as compared to 360 or PS3. PS2's media is limited. And it only has room for one vocal track.

360 also uses the standard DVD format, just FYI.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Really? I thought the 360 used HD-DVD.

[Skyrocket]

somehow, i hope they will let players to choose either japanese voicing with english subtitle or english voicing with english subtitles. Why? The game has some nice japanese seiyuu voicing the game this time.:D

Plus, the number of gamers who actally want to listen the game in Japan isn't as big as some people think it is. The people who crow a JP voice track are really just a loud minority.


This is quite possibly the most intelligent thing I've read on here in quite some time. You, good sir, are now my favorite newish poster!

Thanks. Though loud minority is actually the name of a song so I can't claim credit for that turn of phrase. ;)

[Olethros]

Really? I thought the 360 used HD-DVD.

Common misconception. 360 does use the exact same discs with the exact same amount of storage as the ps2 does.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Wow.

Then how are the 360 disks capable of storing so much game?

Or does that have to do with the 360's hard drive?

[StrikeRaider]

It uses both sides while the PS2 only uses one. Or at least I think that's what it does. Or maybe just better compression?

[aang001]

Question. A serious one...Tell me along with all the Persona fans here that those are either test voices or that Atlus WILL include the Japanese voice track so we can choose which one to listen to. Compared to Persona 3, the voices in 4 are horrible to the point that I think the budget was cut! Especially Chie's voice...she can't act and anytime she tries to sound like she contains an emotion in a line you feel like smashing your head in with a hammer! Where the voices picked for this game by casting straws or is someone screwing someone?
We need great voices!!! Why in 4 are they getting drunk when casting V.A.?! Imagine 100+ hrs of Chie's voice...I'm thinking if it doesnt have an JP track option, I might smash it in day one or set it on fire...Everything sounded good about the game coming out except the VA which is a big factor for me on games/anime.

[aang001]

Really? I thought the 360 used HD-DVD.

Common misconception. 360 does use the exact same discs with the exact same amount of storage as the ps2 does.

No it doesn't...! It uses HD-DVD or Dual Layered Disk, not normal dvds...8.5gigs VS 4.5...big difference...

edit - I'm late on this, but tone down your responses in the future. Kakizaki

[StrikeRaider]

Um its actually true. Its the same kind of dvd just with different compression and uses both sides. The 360 can not normally view HD-DVDs or they would have never made a standalone HD-DVD player.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD
Go down to dual layer recording.

Here too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

[OmniImmortal]

Eh, your loss. I'll be able to enjoy 100+ hours of all of the voices so far...

[System_Error]

Really? I thought the 360 used HD-DVD.

Common misconception. 360 does use the exact same discs with the exact same amount of storage as the ps2 does.

NO it doesn't...LOL! Where do you get your info non-360 owner? It uses HD-DVD or Dual Layered Disk, not normal dvds...8.5gigs VS 4.5...big difference...LOL! NIce try though.
PS2 games are dual layered too... Some of them.

[spike32]

most ps2 games are NOT dual layered, but some of them are such as MGS2 Substance. Not sure if some of them are on a single layered dvd, but i know most of them are on a dual layered disc, NOT an HD-DVD. Now that thats settled, lets not bitch about why they won't put the japanese track on there, if you want it so bad, go get an undub patch like they did for persona 3 and stop bitching about something that won't be done. I mean if you have complaints about a voice or voices, go right ahead, but don't complain bout something that you know won't happen.

[Olethros]

Really? I thought the 360 used HD-DVD.

Common misconception. 360 does use the exact same discs with the exact same amount of storage as the ps2 does.

NO it doesn't...LOL! Where do you get your info non-360 owner? It uses HD-DVD or Dual Layered Disk, not normal dvds...8.5gigs VS 4.5...big difference...LOL! NIce try though.

Hi. People have already answered your post, so I won't say anything further than that I actually do have a 360. Also, LOL. :lol:

[Hossaria]

*SPOILERS ABOUND*
The idea that demons dwell in our psyche, waiting to be unleashed, is darker to me than the idea that demons want my money. Every person has their "demons" inside, but that's pretty literal. Personae aren't treated like demons....

[spike32]

enough about the game, more about the voice acting :D

[ChipSet]

^Alright, all around the voice acting is better then Persona 3, in my humble opinion. For obvious reason (:P), my biggest concern was for Chie voice, but the more video i see the more like her voice.It's either because:
A-I obviously really like this character and i got use to it or
B-Because her voice acting is actually pretty good


........take your pick ;)

[sora4126]

^ I say both, but I like her 'cause I found out she's the girl who was Loopy in Life with Loopy in Kablam.

[spike32]

I actually think Chie's voice actress is really bad, sounds too over dramatic and fake. Michelle Ruff would've been way better for that since the character "seems" to be somewhat like Yukari.

[sora4126]

^ Not really. Yukari was very "like omg!!" whereas Chie seems more "Yeah, what!?" I do like her voice actress now.

[spike32]

sounds so forced. Yukari's was very insecure about herself. Dunno for sure, but from what I've seen, Chie seems to be that way.

[videogamegal08]

So now that the game is out...how do you guys feel about the voice acting, especially for characters you hadn't heard before?

[CerberusXD]

I think it's fine. I enjoy this cast of voice more than P3. They seem more lively and I find myself laughing sometimes.

Btw, the homeroom teacher is a dick.

[evilmegaman]

somehow, i hope they will let players to choose either japanese voicing with english subtitle or english voicing with english subtitles. Why? The game has some nice japanese seiyuu voicing the game this time.:D

Plus, the number of gamers who actally want to listen the game in Japan isn't as big as some people think it is. The people who crow a JP voice track are really just a loud minority.


This is quite possibly the most intelligent thing I've read on here in quite some time. You, good sir, are now my favorite newish poster!

Thanks. Though loud minority is actually the name of a song so I can't claim credit for that turn of phrase. ;)


sounds like it could be good. I'm expecting punk like in the purest sense (sex pistols, dead kennedy's etc.)

*googles* well I found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx0H1VsTbJw <-that...


okay so if that's what you're referring to that was a total let down...

cool bassline though

[TheMagicHat]

I think it's fine. I enjoy this cast of voice more than P3. They seem more lively and I find myself laughing sometimes.

Btw, the homeroom teacher is a dick.
:agree:

The cast is a lot more fun to listen to this time. The dialogue just seems to flow a lot more naturally this time and the voice acting reflects that. I haven't gotten very far yet, so I'm looking forward to seeing how more of the cast fits in.